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Starfleet T6 concepts
shpoks
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So, I started a thread about the new T6 Raptor in the Klingon Fleetyards and it got me thinking:
(once again, thanks to stonewall vanguard for providing us with these pics)
>Las Vegas Starfleet T6 pic<
Now this looks all kinds of wrong to me. :eek: I'm sure there are people that'll like it as tastes vary, but personally I don't see anything reckognizably Starfleet in it.
But, it's not my intention to bash this still basic model here, I used it more in terms of comparison to what could a new T6 Starfleet ship look like and still be very Starfleet looking.
And then it hit me - how many people would like to have this one at T6 availible?
>STO "Design the next Enterprise" contest concept<
I know this concept was discussed quite a few times before, but I think it could be relevant to bring it up now since a new tier of ships is going to be released soon - the best part being, as far as I'm aware, Cryptic has the rights for the concept because it was part of the contest - similar to the way the Chimera made her way into STO.
Personally, I'd like them to make this ship at T6. It looks like a modern variation of TOS and I'm a big fan of the TOS hull materials and ship design. And I love that it manages to follow the classic flowing design pattern with a round saucer (oh, just how I prefer round saucers to chevrons!), neck, engineering hull and 2 nacelles. It just has that "special" Starfleet thing that I think the LV concept is lacking.
So what do people think? Would you like to have this, or something sufficiently similar at T6?
(once again, thanks to stonewall vanguard for providing us with these pics)
>Las Vegas Starfleet T6 pic<
Now this looks all kinds of wrong to me. :eek: I'm sure there are people that'll like it as tastes vary, but personally I don't see anything reckognizably Starfleet in it.
But, it's not my intention to bash this still basic model here, I used it more in terms of comparison to what could a new T6 Starfleet ship look like and still be very Starfleet looking.
And then it hit me - how many people would like to have this one at T6 availible?
>STO "Design the next Enterprise" contest concept<
I know this concept was discussed quite a few times before, but I think it could be relevant to bring it up now since a new tier of ships is going to be released soon - the best part being, as far as I'm aware, Cryptic has the rights for the concept because it was part of the contest - similar to the way the Chimera made her way into STO.
Personally, I'd like them to make this ship at T6. It looks like a modern variation of TOS and I'm a big fan of the TOS hull materials and ship design. And I love that it manages to follow the classic flowing design pattern with a round saucer (oh, just how I prefer round saucers to chevrons!), neck, engineering hull and 2 nacelles. It just has that "special" Starfleet thing that I think the LV concept is lacking.
So what do people think? Would you like to have this, or something sufficiently similar at T6?
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I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
Its likely because it appears to be a Sovereign/Constitution Fusion in my eyes, and i like the sovereign a lot.
Also this pic appeals I think primarily to more traditionalist fans of trek, it does somewhat smack of a T6 Connie inspired vessel, ( Inspired in design by Connie is okay, Ancient Refit/Retrofit I'm against)
BUT the First picture appears to be a better example of the designers striking out on their own as a game, and its a much more original concept than the second pic.
Though distancing itself from the traditional themes and shapes of the Rigid geometry design of older Trek ships may alienate those players of a more traditional disposition
Also the context of the ship matters in my view, Is its unusual appearance contextually fitting to its in game performance
I am all for non-cannon ships but I wish that cryptic would place these things next to a sovereign and ask themselves; 'Dose this look like its part of the same fleet' before they go live with them.
Keep it Starfleet cryptic, don't go crazy with hybrids and cross faction technology. An odd ship hear or there is fine, but when you do make something that doesn't fit in, don't give it 'must use stats' so that it becomes a staple.
Oh and while we are about it, Can we please get some more faction styled lockbox and lobi ships. Like the temporal lockbox. Maybe a section 31 box or something. Just please give us faction specific models so that when I look through my ship roster I don't have to feel like Starfleet's most successful privateer.
I would like to see T6 fleet vesta (2 engi, 5 sci, 4 tac consoles) with 32k hull, 1.43 shield mod + Aux phaser sci universal console (15% phaser dmg, 15% torp dmg + 5% shield regen) that enables usage of Experimental Aux 360 phaser beam [Acc][Dmg][Over].
and it must have goodlike look like fleet assault cruiser
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/DJYjEkicwos/maxresdefault.jpg
I wont buy T6 surely if not fleet vesta. I will proudly fly t5 if needed.
The design of the concept art that was shown yesterday could very well be experimental in nature. As of the current time, we do not know why the design is the way it is... let's wait and see what comes of the design.
Well a teaser did indicate there will be a Story themed reason it looks the way it does, What that will be we will have to wait to find out.
On the topic of a 31 lockbox, that would slightly buck the lore of the lockboxes, This is the Ferengi Lobi Crystal Consortium, How would they be getting their hands on section 31 Eqquipment, Incidentally, the only thing that Section 31 has demonstrated on screen is in the C -Store, the overly evil leather get up which is the most conspicuous outfit they could have chosen.
Secondly, I really hope it just has the Aegis set on it and doesn't always look that.. Tron.
Which isn't that much of a departure, since it's still has a saucer and two nacelles.
Heck it just looks like the took a T'liss warbird (which was pretty Starfleet looking for a Romulan ship which was acknowledged in earlier drafts of the Balance of Terror script) built the warp engines directly on the saucer and a deflector on the front.
What's being show in the concept art is a radical departure to the point that it looks like it's from another IP.
LOL, what is that?!? WTF is that?
How about giving it a alternative model like THIS?
(that ship looks much more sturdier, but also combines all virtues of a good looking Starfleet ship IMO)
I'd support BOTH ship models, maye as variants of the same ship.
EDIT:
Regarding cryptics concept ship, i'm not a fan of it.
The flying spades, 4 nacelles (which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it get old IMO), and especially the angular shape doesn't make it look very Starfleet-ish.
I have no idea why Cryptics designers have so much difficulties to create a good looking Starfleet ship.
Peronally, was hoping for a cruiser like ship that looks like a enlarged Mobius (twice the size). With much more rounded edges but just as "flat", a bit less maneuverable but more tanky.
The Escort is plain boring, just a defiant revival, *yawn*. I think it's clear who's idea that design was, lol.
EDIT: EDIT:
Maybe there's a hint about which ship get upgraded, plain in front of us:
LINK
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Which explains an origin for its appearance and its special stuff.
Well, the one you linked is no doubtedly a good looking Starfleet concept, but if we're realistic about what has been said recently - I doubt it will ever make it in STO, since they said they're not going to bother investing time and money in 3-rd party designs anymore. That said, I'd like to see it happen, if possible.
To be honest, the reason why I mentioned the second design in the thread is to give Cryptic a small hint if they're not considering it already - because it's a design they have the right to use, they just need to make it happen.
And yeah, it looks fragile - and that's the reason I like it so much. I think that the Starfleet design principles in the shows showed that they don't want their ships to look intimidating and that the way they look has nothing to do with their functionality.
Haven't seen the escort yet, got any pics?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwtdhWltSIg
Edit: A bit anoying this kind of stuff because I dont understand why Cryptic has to punish those who have bought zen and purchased ships with the zen so when the update comes I have to buy new ships and the T5s are just gonna be useless. It would be nice if Cryptic would make some T5 ships T6 but I dont like it if the ships I have bought are not comparable to the T6s its like flying T4s in the current status of the game. So I dont understand why Cryptic has to punish the customers just for playing the game a long time shouldnt it be so that u reward old players I guess its gonna be so that 1500 day subscribers are gonna get a upgrade or something like that. I have noticed those who dont are subscribers are ignored like with the new odyssey long jacket.
Doesn't CBS own all of John Evans work, especially if it's done for ENT?
Anyway, your presented ship looks awesome already, i'd prefer it over Cryptics stuff any day.:)
HERE.
Klick the twitter link, its the 12th picture (right after the tholian-like ship)
I know my friend, i know...
Klink ship is good
Fed (cruiser, i guess?) looks unfinished. (maybe it's just the angle)
Fed escort, I hope that is a bad angle
When I saw the latter ships years ago? I thought the ship could easily be a flagship or the next Enterprise!
Agreed, although i'd always think that something had to be done with those pylons.:o
Maybe a bit shorter, i don't know...
Sorry i don't want to spoil the thread.
EDIT:
It doesn't look very large for a new Enterprise IMO.
How big would that ship be?
That's not to say we don't need new ship designs - but things like the Odyssey are great, very clearly Trek and look good. The Patrol Escort, although not my favourite, does the same, as do most of the new Romulan ships.
Things like the Aatrox Carrier, though... why? They just don't seem very Trek. As a one off it works ok, but when you've got more people in an STF flying Undine/Xindi/Ferengi ships than Starfleet ones, it's a bit silly. The Heavy Escort Carrier is a great example of doing it right, it's just a shame we didn't get a modernised Nebula-like carrier or similar, instead of the Aatrox.
Annoyingly, the Klingon and Romulan ships look fantastic - very Klingon and very Romulan. The ST ones look like some bollocks they've pulled out of EVE's "not quite good enough" archive. The Escort is slightly better than the cruiser (it looks vaguely Defiant-like, but lets remember the Defiants are a little unusual for the canon), but the cruiser looks hideous, what's the point?
Let's keep it "future trek" rather than "any old rubbish that someone wanted to design", and a few more variations comparable to the canon.
For Enterprise-D, they took the saucer and hull, stretched it laterally, then lowered the nacelles under the saucer.
For Enterprise-E, they took the saucer (if not the whole ship) and stretched it length-wise, put the nacelles back above (barely) the saucer.
Look at Fed Science ships: Unless it's a variant of the original theme (Rhode Island with a triangle saucer), then the nacelles are under the secondary hull (Intrepid, Luna, Nebula). Even the Dyson Fed ship follows the Intrepid design.
Seriously, Cryptic can only follow the basic design so much until ships start looking like each other with *just* enough tweaks to make them different (Constitution/Exeter to Nova/Aurora, to Sovereign/Regent).
The image of the T6 Fed ship is not enough to make me swing one way or another. And with my love for the Excelsior, I probably won't care anyway.
To be honest, I have no idea. If this is the case, then there may be hope for that concept to make it into the game if the fans push hard enough.
It was my favourite from the contest as well....it just has that special "something" that I can't describe and yet feel when I look at this design.
I'm not sure how big would it be, but I think sizes are relative when we see them like this - on pictures or concept work. For ex. when they posted Avenger pics on dev.blogs I thought it would be the size of the Regent and look how small-ish it turned out to be in game.
In my humble estimation, I'd say this ship would fit nicely in sizes similar to, or between the Vesta and Sovereign.
Second ship, changed the nacelles and it would be great.
First we get the original Cryptic designs which seemed to be going for TNGish but 10 to 20 years aka 2390s-2400s. Then they switched to Odyssey based designs. Now we get these things.
Look I know its a game and we should apply real world rules or anything but come on and make up your minds already.
Are we supposed to believe that in game Starfleet is going to over haul its entire fleet every few months now (or in real life when ever we get a new lead dev or some other change to the STO team.)
From the look of the T6 cruiser it is clear that you do NOT want me to shell out any $$$$.
It's f***ing ugly. Stop putting the nacelles under the saucer w/0 an option to use longer pylons.
STOP making the nacelles butt UGLY.
How about give us skin unlocks?
I'm not going to abandon ANY of my lower tier ships or lockbox ships for this new TRIBBLE.
How about this:
Make your ugly new ships but allow me to paste/toggle a previously owned/unlocked ship design/skin onto the new ugly things you are making????
Where is the famous Cryptic customizations here? I do like that it looks something out of Tron but again the nacelles are hideous and no longer look TREK. I don't care about some "story reason" why they look different. I'm here to view my ship from upper rear angles and shoot things. If my ship is too ugly to view I'm not gonna want to play. Does this make sense?
You can even charge me like another $10. for skin unlock I don't care. <--this right here would solve so many threads and probably headaches.