I use phasers for my Fed toon simply because it is the canon weapon of Starfleet. I only do PvE, however, I did accidentally go into Ker'rat once since I did not know any better when I started playing STO. Naturally, I got blown up... a few times, but after a while PvP'er stopped attacking me because I would simply fly towards the Borg structures and then sit there so I was visible to everyone. I then got up and decided to do some chores. If I noticed I was killed, then I would move my ship back to around the same position, then continue to do chores. After a while, no one bothered to destroy my ship.
Anywaste, prior to season 9 I did not really notice any effect phasers had on enemies. However, in season 9 on a few rare instances I noticed that my enemy's shields went down. But I didn't have much time to react since the shields went down only for around 2 or 3 seconds. I am usually monitoring my power levels and shields during combat and pop batteries once in a while. Even if I had the time to react it would not much meaning anyway since I set my torpedoes to auto fire.
I suppose the solution would be set torpedoes back to manual fire, but that just means I would not be firing torps most of the time; better to do a little damage than none at all. Since I tend to fight at a range of between 6km - 9km most of the time, even a well timed torp launch may not hit the target before shields are raised.
I suppose the solution would be set torpedoes back to manual fire, but that just means I would not be firing torps most of the time; better to do a little damage than none at all. Since I tend to fight at a range of between 6km - 9km most of the time, even a well timed torp launch may not hit the target before shields are raised.
Correct... Only the Hargh'peng would stand a chance of hitting in that short window if you are at 6KM. You should try to be closer though as both beams and cannons are not doing so hot at 6KM...
That aside though that is part of the fundamental problem... If it were 5 seconds that would not be all that long but you MIGHT be able to take advantage of that. However, in reality it is more like 2 seconds for a lot of NPC's and less for most players who have any sense. So you do not have time to really deal with it. Then you have to wait 15 seconds to roll the dice again and hope that you hit something important. Meantwhile OTHER phaser fire could proc as well and lock YOU out for another 15 seconds even if it hits something unimportant.
Lastly when it comes to players I have to bring in a strong reality check. What do you want to knock off the most? Shields and Engines right? What player in STO does not have at least Emergency Power to Shields I on their ship? I mean seriously who does not carry at least one copy of this skill? So your shield proc, if you magically get it when you want to, is pretty much worthless unless your opponent is asleep at the wheel. The Engine proc may work better but if they have Subsystem Repair Skill, a Human Boff, Emergency Power to Engines, and Engine Battery, an Engine Battery on their Warp/Singularity Core, or Engineering Team I then even this is going to be short lived or wasted as well. Please wait another 15 seconds to try again.
It is NOT in-line with every other proc by any means. Seriously, I love the joke made earlier... Imagine if your other procs worked this way? If they all had a 15 second global lockout so that anyone who nailed a proc would make it so that NO ONE else could nail one for 15 seconds. Now imagine if your disruptor resistance debuff would randomly effect hull, shields, or drain resistance. How about your Polaron Drain? Now it randomly selects from the 4 subsystems to drain instead of all of them but remember 15 second lockout.
I mean at this point the pony is a bloody pulp that needs to be buried so I guess I will do the honors.
The Fact of the Matter is this: The Phaser Proc is too random, adds no reliable increase in damage and in some cases no increase in damage whatsoever, does not last long enough, is too easily countered, and has a 15 second global immunity which exacerbates the issues previously mentioned.
Correct... Only the Hargh'peng would stand a chance of hitting in that short window if you are at 6KM. You should try to be closer though as both beams and cannons are not doing so hot at 6KM...
That aside though that is part of the fundamental problem... If it were 5 seconds that would not be all that long but you MIGHT be able to take advantage of that. However, in reality it is more like 2 seconds for a lot of NPC's and less for most players who have any sense. So you do not have time to really deal with it. Then you have to wait 15 seconds to roll the dice again and hope that you hit something important. Meantwhile OTHER phaser fire could proc as well and lock YOU out for another 15 seconds even if it hits something unimportant.
Lastly when it comes to players I have to bring in a strong reality check. What do you want to knock off the most? Shields and Engines right? What player in STO does not have at least Emergency Power to Shields I on their ship? I mean seriously who does not carry at least one copy of this skill? So your shield proc, if you magically get it when you want to, is pretty much worthless unless your opponent is asleep at the wheel. The Engine proc may work better but if they have Subsystem Repair Skill, a Human Boff, Emergency Power to Engines, and Engine Battery, an Engine Battery on their Warp/Singularity Core, or Engineering Team I then even this is going to be short lived or wasted as well. Please wait another 15 seconds to try again.
It is NOT in-line with every other proc by any means. Seriously, I love the joke made earlier... Imagine if your other procs worked this way? If they all had a 15 second global lockout so that anyone who nailed a proc would make it so that NO ONE else could nail one for 15 seconds. Now imagine if your disruptor resistance debuff would randomly effect hull, shields, or drain resistance. How about your Polaron Drain? Now it randomly selects from the 4 subsystems to drain instead of all of them but remember 15 second lockout.
I mean at this point the pony is a bloody pulp that needs to be buried so I guess I will do the honors.
The Fact of the Matter is this: The Phaser Proc is too random, adds no reliable increase in damage and in some cases no increase in damage whatsoever, does not last long enough, is too easily countered, and has a 15 second global immunity which exacerbates the issues previously mentioned.
As has been pointed out earlier, TacTeam may remove the disruptor breach of Disruptors. Who doesnt use TT on their build?
HE removes the Plasma DoT. Who doesnt use HE as a must have on their build?
Seems phasers are not the only proc that is often and easily countered.
Maybe they could make it where the system offline immunity only applied to the system that was taken offline?
If my phasers proc and it randomly shuts down their weapons, they should probably get a weapons offline immunity for 10 seconds. I have no problem with that, and it makes sense so that they're not abused in PvP like they used to be prior to the change.
However, if during those 10 seconds it procs again and randomly chooses a different system, that system should go offline too and start its own 10 second immunity timer.
As has been pointed out earlier, TacTeam may remove the disruptor breach of Disruptors. Who doesnt use TT on their build?
HE removes the Plasma DoT. Who doesnt use HE as a must have on their build?
Seems phasers are not the only proc that is often and easily countered.
I agree with you, but phaser are way to easy to counter, + the immunity makes them really the worst weapons.
I agree with you, but phaser are way to easy to counter, + the immunity makes them really the worst weapons.
Six one way or half a dozen another in my opinion if the TT and HE , two near required abilities, counter the two most used procs. TT can be cycled every 10 seconds to remove a disbreach.
That makes it a hard proc to keep on a target, especially when anyone within range can activate TT to clear it.
I am enjoying the proc's in PvE. They work. Yes, the initial phaser proc should last longer, but like any other build that focuses it's efforts, they can be used to great effect.
The Patrol Escort is built for damage. Comparing it to Romulan Plasma there is a small drop in damage comparatively, however my targets drop as fast if not faster.
It's not all about DPS. I've always know this.
The Vesta build leverages subsystem targeting. If the initial phaser proc is 'the sample', subsystem targeting is the full meal deal. Add to the mix the subsystem doff adding a random secondary failure.
Is it the best for DPS. No. Is it 'better than' __________ . No.
Six one way or half a dozen another in my opinion if the TT and HE , two near required abilities, counter the two most used procs. TT can be cycled every 10 seconds to remove a disbreach.
That makes it a hard proc to keep on a target, especially when anyone within range can activate TT to clear it.
Plasma burn and Disruptor breech actually do what they say they do unlike Phasers which do not actually cause 5 seconds of downtime even to most NPC's.
Plasma and Disruptors do not have a lockout.
Hazard Emitters could be on cooldown but Phasers have WAY more ways to get rid of their proc than just one AND have the lockout ontop of it.
Most NPC's do not even use TT and do not know what it is but they do use Emergency Power to Shields and otherwise just seem to have high Subsystem Repair skill meaning that Disruptor Breeches will last on them but not Phaser Procs. They also rarely use Hazard Emitters so Plasma Burns will likewise get their damage through unlike Phasers.
Sincerely... You are trying to argue against something that there is no real foundation to argue against. A cursory examination of the facts makes that quite obvious
Plasma burn and Disruptor breech actually do what they say they do unlike Phasers which do not actually cause 5 seconds of downtime even to most NPC's.
Plasma and Disruptors do not have a lockout.
Hazard Emitters could be on cooldown but Phasers have WAY more ways to get rid of their proc than just one AND have the lockout ontop of it.
Most NPC's do not even use TT and do not know what it is but they do use Emergency Power to Shields and otherwise just seem to have high Subsystem Repair skill meaning that Disruptor Breeches will last on them but not Phaser Procs. They also rarely use Hazard Emitters so Plasma Burns will likewise get their damage through unlike Phasers.
Sincerely... You are trying to argue against something that there is no real foundation to argue against. A cursory examination of the facts makes that quite obvious
Roach is talking about PvP. You keep mentioning NPCs, leading me to believe you're talking about PvE.
I am enjoying the proc's in PvE. They work. Yes, the initial phaser proc should last longer, but like any other build that focuses it's efforts, they can be used to great effect.
Have you been able to get any torpedoes to impact the hull prior to shields going back up?
As has been pointed out earlier, TacTeam may remove the disruptor breach of Disruptors. Who doesnt use TT on their build?
HE removes the Plasma DoT. Who doesnt use HE as a must have on their build?
Seems phasers are not the only proc that is often and easily countered.
The runtime of the clear on TacTeam is shorter than the run-time of the ability, so there is at least 5 seconds of unprotected time (and p;otentially much longer if they didnt hit it exactly right). HE is worse, having a very long cooldown relative to the others. Meanwhile EPtX has 30 seconds of full uptime, so one cycle will actually clear two phaser procs.
Phasers cannot work as-intended. They are too OP when they do not have major counters, and then they are completely irrelevant. At this point its just trolling to insist they are okay for anything.
Plasma burn and Disruptor breech actually do what they say they do unlike Phasers which do not actually cause 5 seconds of downtime even to most NPC's.
Plasma and Disruptors do not have a lockout.
Hazard Emitters could be on cooldown but Phasers have WAY more ways to get rid of their proc than just one AND have the lockout ontop of it.
Most NPC's do not even use TT and do not know what it is but they do use Emergency Power to Shields and otherwise just seem to have high Subsystem Repair skill meaning that Disruptor Breeches will last on them but not Phaser Procs. They also rarely use Hazard Emitters so Plasma Burns will likewise get their damage through unlike Phasers.
Sincerely... You are trying to argue against something that there is no real foundation to argue against. A cursory examination of the facts makes that quite obvious
I have already acknowledged that against NPCs the procs may need a looksie due to it seems they are resisted, recovered, and otherwise pointless in PvE.
TT and HE are widely used and some believe required for PvP, making the counters to Disruptor and Plasma common in use.
Heck, most run the cleanse Doff by habit, so that is a threat to all.
In PvE phasers may need work. In PvP I think they are as fine as any proc.
Roach is talking about PvP. You keep mentioning NPCs, leading me to believe you're talking about PvE.
Hence the disconnect.
I have mentioned both Players and NPC's however NPC's are highly relevant seems how this game 99% PvE. Even in PvP you will STILL be fighting NPC's on a number of occasions and to grind up all the gear you need in order to PvP with any chance of winning you will have to slog through a WHOLE LOT OF PvE. So it is extremely relevant and important that these things WORK for PvE which currently they barely do which is also sad considering the computer opponents are stupid and do not know when to use their abilities if they even have them.
The runtime of the clear on TacTeam is shorter than the run-time of the ability, so there is at least 5 seconds of unprotected time (and p;otentially much longer if they didnt hit it exactly right). HE is worse, having a very long cooldown relative to the others. Meanwhile EPtX has 30 seconds of full uptime, so one cycle will actually clear two phaser procs.
Phasers cannot work as-intended. They are too OP when they do not have major counters, and then they are completely irrelevant. At this point its just trolling to insist they are okay for anything.
I completely agree... It is not a question of rather or not Phasers are garbage at this point. That is established beyond a reasonable doubt.
The real question is what to DO with Phasers to make them their own weapon type but actually be effective without being so effective as to be absolutely unfair?
I like my phasers, but I'd be for a change to the proc. I'd really just like to see it changed into a flat 10 accuracy.
But if that never happens I'll still decimate NPCs and get kills in PvP with my stock phasers. No change necessary.
I for one would much rather destroy, obliterate, devastate, or annihilate my enemies rather than just reducing them by a tenth... :P Sorry, could not help it.
I would say Acc is the natural proc for phasers. The current notion is that the proc is supposed to represent the innate accuracy and precision of the weapon...but "disable something at random" is not a behavior which conveys accuracy and precision.
I have mentioned both Players and NPC's however NPC's are highly relevant seems how this game 99% PvE.
That's fine, but Roach is part of that other 1% that spends a lot of time in PvP.
Quite a few of the veteran posters on here are PvP players. And a lot of what they post about has that in mind.
The game might be 99% PvE to you and me. But it's not to him and quite a few others. And so keeping PvP effectiveness in mind has some value in a discussion of procs.
In fact, I'd go so far as to say you should bump you stat from 1% to something more in-line with this topic.
Let's say PvP accounts for 2.5% of the stuff to do in this game.
2.5%
I like that number for this topic. For some strange reason.
I don't think you'll find too many PvPers who will pass up [Acc], plus they've sort of severely back on PvP's relevance to the game in the latest round of nerfbattage. Roach already said changing to [Acc] would be just fine with him.
[Acc] is, obviously, still not the grand PvE ideal, so it won't be massively OP, but it's sure as hell more of a contribution than the Big Fat Nothing that disabling random subsystems gets you in PvE.
Phasers will always be the bottom of my list of go to weapons. The proc is horrible most of the time, an Acc or even a shield penetration proc would be much more inline with how phasers should be...
Maybe even a similar proc to the plasma burn, as I am sure it was mentioned in one of the shows that phasers can do phaser burn to the hull?
Phasers would be viable, if they were backed by the subspace decompiler skill, seeing how the proc has a timed immunity to begin with, this way it can try and counter all the other abilities to bring subsystems back online.
Something just occurred to me. Maybe we're going about this the wrong way. Up until now, almost every thread about phasers involves beefing them up to simply be stronger weapons. What if instead of doing that, we start looking into making disabling systems more potent or possibly have different effects on NPCs?
The underlying issue as I see it is that disabling subsystems on NPCs is useless aside from shield systems, therefore phasers suck. If that underlying issue was solved, then perhaps phasers would be a viable alternative without having to change their proc to something else? Sure it would take more effort from the dev team to make changes like that compared to simply beefing up phasers, but I think it would add more variety to combat. At least it would make it feel more Trek IMO. Targeting subsystems was always a thing in the series. It might also help out the subsystem boff skills that no one uses.
How about this? We already have "target shields", "target weapons", etc. attacks as BoFF abilities. Simply buff Phaser so that it gets a TREMENDOUS advantage when using such targeted attacks. Either in place of the current proc or, since everyone agrees the current proc is next to useless, on TOP of the current proc.
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Phasers would be viable, if they were backed by the subspace decompiler skill, seeing how the proc has a timed immunity to begin with, this way it can try and counter all the other abilities to bring subsystems back online.
Cryptic could just make their disables better against NPCS.
That would involve creating NPCs that actually USE the systems you're disabling, and generally making NPCs all around smarter and less simply about hitpoint bloat. Disables will ALWAYS be nearly worthless against NPCs because NPCs simply do not have the capacity to care about their systems. The existence of an NPC is based on hitpoint bloat, not on functionality of ship. You can completely disable every system on an NPC, it won't matter a damn because not a single system on an NPC ship actually matters as far as its survivability goes. In fact, the most common type of NPC is exactly like this: Take the ever-popular Borg Gateway: It has no shields. No engines. No aux-based systems. It has a weapon, but the weapon fires relatively infrequently, is completely invisible, and kills nearly instantly, so it doesn't matter if you disable the weapon system occasionally. So you've got a thing with precisely ONE system that could even possibly be disabled. That's a 1 in 4 chance anything that actually even exists gets disabled.
Woo.
Disables will NEVER be useful vs. NPCs unless the very notion of how an NPC operates is radically redesigned.
That would involve creating NPCs that actually USE the systems you're disabling, and generally making NPCs all around smarter and less simply about hitpoint bloat. Disables will ALWAYS be nearly worthless against NPCs because NPCs simply do not have the capacity to care about their systems. The existence of an NPC is based on hitpoint bloat, not on functionality of ship. You can completely disable every system on an NPC, it won't matter a damn because not a single system on an NPC ship actually matters as far as its survivability goes. In fact, the most common type of NPC is exactly like this: Take the ever-popular Borg Gateway: It has no shields. No engines. No aux-based systems. It has a weapon, but the weapon fires relatively infrequently, is completely invisible, and kills nearly instantly, so it doesn't matter if you disable the weapon system occasionally. So you've got a thing with precisely ONE system that could even possibly be disabled. That's a 1 in 4 chance anything that actually even exists gets disabled.
Woo.
Disables will NEVER be useful vs. NPCs unless the very notion of how an NPC operates is radically redesigned.
Well speaking for the Borg, the cubes (Tac included) do use from time to time, boff skills to clear or heal some.
So bombarding their other subsystems does prove useful, to some degree anyways.
Remove the current proc and replace it with a built-in accuracy buff, to signify that phasers are accurate and deadly. This won't dethrone Disruptor and Plasma (and certainly not antiproton), but it'll put phasers up there a bit further on the list, and that's all I really want.
Rework the current proc and make the subsystem decompiler skill affect how long a subsystem will be disabled. This, to me, seems less than ideal, since it is a PvP buff. Our enemies in PvE don't work with subsystems, so anything involving that is not as good as, say, a raw 20% crit severity increase.
From a PvP standpoint, I completely understand how potent a subsystem nullifying weapon is, and I feel that it is idiotic to have something attached to a weapon. Keep it to the Target: subsystem skills and leave it there. Drain pressure from Polaron and siphon abilities is less painful than a straight disable, so I say keep things drain only, unless a skill is used to activate the disable.
From a PvE standpoint, it is known that the things we fight are nothing but bags of hitpoints, so anything that can drain those hitpoints the fastest is superior. Additionally, the "5 seconds" is all but ignored by the foes you would want the proc to happen on, and the chances of sinking a torpedo into a cube before the shields go up is slim to none.
How do we (or perhaps I) get Cryptic's attention on this matter? Start a petition? Send some emails?
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Yeah, man: You may not remember the history of why that was added, but let me remind you: Back then, phasers had no lockout, so people (and NPCs) would SPAM PHASERS, resulting in your ship being permanently disabled: All 4 systems permanently inoperable.
This is why phaser and polaroid both have special behaviors on repeated proc. It was especially bad with phasers, though, since you could summon pets that spammed phasers, too.
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Anywaste, prior to season 9 I did not really notice any effect phasers had on enemies. However, in season 9 on a few rare instances I noticed that my enemy's shields went down. But I didn't have much time to react since the shields went down only for around 2 or 3 seconds. I am usually monitoring my power levels and shields during combat and pop batteries once in a while. Even if I had the time to react it would not much meaning anyway since I set my torpedoes to auto fire.
I suppose the solution would be set torpedoes back to manual fire, but that just means I would not be firing torps most of the time; better to do a little damage than none at all. Since I tend to fight at a range of between 6km - 9km most of the time, even a well timed torp launch may not hit the target before shields are raised.
Correct... Only the Hargh'peng would stand a chance of hitting in that short window if you are at 6KM. You should try to be closer though as both beams and cannons are not doing so hot at 6KM...
That aside though that is part of the fundamental problem... If it were 5 seconds that would not be all that long but you MIGHT be able to take advantage of that. However, in reality it is more like 2 seconds for a lot of NPC's and less for most players who have any sense. So you do not have time to really deal with it. Then you have to wait 15 seconds to roll the dice again and hope that you hit something important. Meantwhile OTHER phaser fire could proc as well and lock YOU out for another 15 seconds even if it hits something unimportant.
Lastly when it comes to players I have to bring in a strong reality check. What do you want to knock off the most? Shields and Engines right? What player in STO does not have at least Emergency Power to Shields I on their ship? I mean seriously who does not carry at least one copy of this skill? So your shield proc, if you magically get it when you want to, is pretty much worthless unless your opponent is asleep at the wheel. The Engine proc may work better but if they have Subsystem Repair Skill, a Human Boff, Emergency Power to Engines, and Engine Battery, an Engine Battery on their Warp/Singularity Core, or Engineering Team I then even this is going to be short lived or wasted as well. Please wait another 15 seconds to try again.
It is NOT in-line with every other proc by any means. Seriously, I love the joke made earlier... Imagine if your other procs worked this way? If they all had a 15 second global lockout so that anyone who nailed a proc would make it so that NO ONE else could nail one for 15 seconds. Now imagine if your disruptor resistance debuff would randomly effect hull, shields, or drain resistance. How about your Polaron Drain? Now it randomly selects from the 4 subsystems to drain instead of all of them but remember 15 second lockout.
I mean at this point the pony is a bloody pulp that needs to be buried so I guess I will do the honors.
The Fact of the Matter is this: The Phaser Proc is too random, adds no reliable increase in damage and in some cases no increase in damage whatsoever, does not last long enough, is too easily countered, and has a 15 second global immunity which exacerbates the issues previously mentioned.
Well said.. this pretty much sums it up well.
HE removes the Plasma DoT. Who doesnt use HE as a must have on their build?
Seems phasers are not the only proc that is often and easily countered.
R.I.P
If my phasers proc and it randomly shuts down their weapons, they should probably get a weapons offline immunity for 10 seconds. I have no problem with that, and it makes sense so that they're not abused in PvP like they used to be prior to the change.
However, if during those 10 seconds it procs again and randomly chooses a different system, that system should go offline too and start its own 10 second immunity timer.
I agree with you, but phaser are way to easy to counter, + the immunity makes them really the worst weapons.
Six one way or half a dozen another in my opinion if the TT and HE , two near required abilities, counter the two most used procs. TT can be cycled every 10 seconds to remove a disbreach.
That makes it a hard proc to keep on a target, especially when anyone within range can activate TT to clear it.
R.I.P
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I am enjoying the proc's in PvE. They work. Yes, the initial phaser proc should last longer, but like any other build that focuses it's efforts, they can be used to great effect.
The Patrol Escort is built for damage. Comparing it to Romulan Plasma there is a small drop in damage comparatively, however my targets drop as fast if not faster.
It's not all about DPS. I've always know this.
The Vesta build leverages subsystem targeting. If the initial phaser proc is 'the sample', subsystem targeting is the full meal deal. Add to the mix the subsystem doff adding a random secondary failure.
Is it the best for DPS. No. Is it 'better than' __________ . No.
Is it fun? Yes.
Plasma burn and Disruptor breech actually do what they say they do unlike Phasers which do not actually cause 5 seconds of downtime even to most NPC's.
Plasma and Disruptors do not have a lockout.
Hazard Emitters could be on cooldown but Phasers have WAY more ways to get rid of their proc than just one AND have the lockout ontop of it.
Most NPC's do not even use TT and do not know what it is but they do use Emergency Power to Shields and otherwise just seem to have high Subsystem Repair skill meaning that Disruptor Breeches will last on them but not Phaser Procs. They also rarely use Hazard Emitters so Plasma Burns will likewise get their damage through unlike Phasers.
Sincerely... You are trying to argue against something that there is no real foundation to argue against. A cursory examination of the facts makes that quite obvious
Roach is talking about PvP. You keep mentioning NPCs, leading me to believe you're talking about PvE.
Hence the disconnect.
Have you been able to get any torpedoes to impact the hull prior to shields going back up?
Or are you just basically relying on a beam ship?
The runtime of the clear on TacTeam is shorter than the run-time of the ability, so there is at least 5 seconds of unprotected time (and p;otentially much longer if they didnt hit it exactly right). HE is worse, having a very long cooldown relative to the others. Meanwhile EPtX has 30 seconds of full uptime, so one cycle will actually clear two phaser procs.
Phasers cannot work as-intended. They are too OP when they do not have major counters, and then they are completely irrelevant. At this point its just trolling to insist they are okay for anything.
I have already acknowledged that against NPCs the procs may need a looksie due to it seems they are resisted, recovered, and otherwise pointless in PvE.
TT and HE are widely used and some believe required for PvP, making the counters to Disruptor and Plasma common in use.
Heck, most run the cleanse Doff by habit, so that is a threat to all.
In PvE phasers may need work. In PvP I think they are as fine as any proc.
R.I.P
But if that never happens I'll still decimate NPCs and get kills in PvP with my stock phasers. No change necessary.
I could deal with phaser losing the subsystem proc for a base +10% accuracy bonus.
R.I.P
I have mentioned both Players and NPC's however NPC's are highly relevant seems how this game 99% PvE. Even in PvP you will STILL be fighting NPC's on a number of occasions and to grind up all the gear you need in order to PvP with any chance of winning you will have to slog through a WHOLE LOT OF PvE. So it is extremely relevant and important that these things WORK for PvE which currently they barely do which is also sad considering the computer opponents are stupid and do not know when to use their abilities if they even have them.
I completely agree... It is not a question of rather or not Phasers are garbage at this point. That is established beyond a reasonable doubt.
The real question is what to DO with Phasers to make them their own weapon type but actually be effective without being so effective as to be absolutely unfair?
That is the question.
I also agree with this without any hesitation. Then you would be able to slap on one more CritH or CritD in exchange for the already recieved Acc.
I for one would much rather destroy, obliterate, devastate, or annihilate my enemies rather than just reducing them by a tenth... :P Sorry, could not help it.
That's fine, but Roach is part of that other 1% that spends a lot of time in PvP.
Quite a few of the veteran posters on here are PvP players. And a lot of what they post about has that in mind.
The game might be 99% PvE to you and me. But it's not to him and quite a few others. And so keeping PvP effectiveness in mind has some value in a discussion of procs.
In fact, I'd go so far as to say you should bump you stat from 1% to something more in-line with this topic.
Let's say PvP accounts for 2.5% of the stuff to do in this game.
2.5%
I like that number for this topic. For some strange reason.
[Acc] is, obviously, still not the grand PvE ideal, so it won't be massively OP, but it's sure as hell more of a contribution than the Big Fat Nothing that disabling random subsystems gets you in PvE.
Phasers are by no means a top dog, nor even a middle class weapon proc.
Heck hybrid phased weapons put basic phasers to shame.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Maybe even a similar proc to the plasma burn, as I am sure it was mentioned in one of the shows that phasers can do phaser burn to the hull?
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They CAN Actually make attacks affect pve and pvp differently. They are just too lazy to do it.
For example, ground Phasers got 2 second stun (HALF DURATION VERSUS PLAYERS) .
How about this? We already have "target shields", "target weapons", etc. attacks as BoFF abilities. Simply buff Phaser so that it gets a TREMENDOUS advantage when using such targeted attacks. Either in place of the current proc or, since everyone agrees the current proc is next to useless, on TOP of the current proc.
This makes the most sense.
Woo.
Disables will NEVER be useful vs. NPCs unless the very notion of how an NPC operates is radically redesigned.
Well speaking for the Borg, the cubes (Tac included) do use from time to time, boff skills to clear or heal some.
So bombarding their other subsystems does prove useful, to some degree anyways.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
Remove the current proc and replace it with a built-in accuracy buff, to signify that phasers are accurate and deadly. This won't dethrone Disruptor and Plasma (and certainly not antiproton), but it'll put phasers up there a bit further on the list, and that's all I really want.
Rework the current proc and make the subsystem decompiler skill affect how long a subsystem will be disabled. This, to me, seems less than ideal, since it is a PvP buff. Our enemies in PvE don't work with subsystems, so anything involving that is not as good as, say, a raw 20% crit severity increase.
From a PvP standpoint, I completely understand how potent a subsystem nullifying weapon is, and I feel that it is idiotic to have something attached to a weapon. Keep it to the Target: subsystem skills and leave it there. Drain pressure from Polaron and siphon abilities is less painful than a straight disable, so I say keep things drain only, unless a skill is used to activate the disable.
From a PvE standpoint, it is known that the things we fight are nothing but bags of hitpoints, so anything that can drain those hitpoints the fastest is superior. Additionally, the "5 seconds" is all but ignored by the foes you would want the proc to happen on, and the chances of sinking a torpedo into a cube before the shields go up is slim to none.
How do we (or perhaps I) get Cryptic's attention on this matter? Start a petition? Send some emails?
Odan Brota (Science Officer): Captain of a 28k DPS Scryer Intel Science Vessel, U.S.S. Kepler
Patiently waiting for a Romulan Science Vessel
i am thinking this:
2.5% chaance to reduce power on one subsystem to 0 for 5 seconds. (which would still be about 2 seconds in pvp....like now.)
Elites would get this:
2.5% chance to heal shields by 20% of max shield cap.
This is why phaser and polaroid both have special behaviors on repeated proc. It was especially bad with phasers, though, since you could summon pets that spammed phasers, too.