When you dont care about something and is giving you a problem, you smash it with out thinking twice.
PVP was giving them a problem due to exploiters, and the "hard" solution was sitting and finding a real fix for the issue. But they dont care about PVP, so they went for the easy solution: hit all PVP hard.
PVE also has exploiters, and even worst than PVP.. just spend 10 minutes on Dyason ground and you will find them. But PVE is important and a solution for that may offend the PVE heroes.
Is time to not full our self, many believe that the devs really want to improve PVP but they dont have the recourses/time to do it. Today we have the proof that they dont give a dam about PVP, maybe not all of them, but the big majority dont give a dam.
Fun fact: Many people doing prearranged ground kill farming, do it for accolades. With the ground queues being what they are its not really feasible to go there and kill/get killed often enough just for the accolades.
There's another .
I'll offer a third :
Income (legal and semi-legal) has been nerfed for the last 2 seasons in an not-so-subtle attempt to push players to purchase Zen via cash .
Tour of the Galaxy , STF optional BNP's in S.9 , all the Dil from STF's @ the start of S.7 (later restored) , The Foundry (wrapper & in general) -- all this and probably more (that I'm forgetting) is just a pattern of behavior by Cryptic .
I see this nerf as something that has 2 possible outcomes :
1) It joins the nerfs above and has little to nothing to do with you on an individual level (or as a sub-group of STO [layers) , as those players who participated in either legal or semi-legal grinding of the content above also got nerfed as a group .
2) It's an attempt by Cryptic to "get their PVP house in order" before they introduce a PVP reputation .
Yeah , I know , it's a long shot .
... one thing about the STO community ... , it never fails to disappoint .
S8.5 everyone was arguing about a "free ship" (my sig back then) , now they are arguing about a torpedo instead of protesting this nerf ... .
It's also interesting to see that Geko's golden child (dinoz with lazors) isn't getting touched ... despite sticking out like a sore thumb in terms or rewards ... now that everything else get's nerfed across the board ... .
Oh well , at least we don't get any new PVP maps or serious endgame raids for this game's eventual 'Maintenance Mode' .
But we do get to build sand castles on Risa ... , so not all is lost , right ?
This is pure [shet]. i always do pvp, and now i'll have to do boring other lousy pve to get my daily things... good job you want to kill pvp... meh. this game has LOOOW rewards for pvping (hey, 1440k dil x 3 matches, that's NOT ENOUGH!) AND NOW YA REDUCE IT!?!? YOU SERIOUS?
Bah, i love this game, but i guess devs here don't know what they're doing, or think that pve is the only part of this game, and pvp is just an exploit to gain dil.
once again, SERIOUSLY? I hope none of this gets uploaded.
If it does, congratz on making me hate ya devs.
best wishes,
Giovanni@giotariz, PvP's nadion bomber dude, and OrganizedPvP's number 1 spammer
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Mixed feels for me. Nine out of ten times I just forget about these missions, because I just want to pew pew and generally don't open the mission tab anyway.
However, I feel the number of PvE players willing to try PvP or even join a match and actually do their best - and I know the numbers must be pretty low, but /shrug - will drop even further.
Like everyone has said: Just remove the rewards from private matches and call it a day. Or put other incentives to join a PvP match into place.
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Also, how big of a problem is this PvP dil farming really? I honestly don't know, that's why I'm asking. I once joined a couple of mates inviting me for a ground PvP thing, and it turned out that they wanted to do it for Dil. I found it so tedious and boring I just left.
Isaac the Adequate - Level 70 Oath of Devotion Paladin
Just incredible, you already had to do the thing 6 times (that's 18 matches, 15 if your preferred game mode happens to be the daily too) to get over 8k dilithium. Those that are exploiting private matches are just being silly since you can just go dino-tagging and earn way more in about the same amount of time. Seriously, I've gotten a week's worth in 2 hours in the battlezone. So why even worry about that? Basically they're giving us a guaranteed daily for each game mode and a random 2nd daily that might coincide with how you like to play (arena v cap n hold). Either way, you're stuck playing game modes you don't want to play or doing crappy PvE to get your dilithium on just one toon.
Let's see, to hit the cap on one toon with just Space PvP you would have to do:
The Daily - 3 matches - 1440 dil
Ker'rat Daily - 3 resets - 1440 dil
The "soon to be" Dailies - 3 matches (not counting 3 because it would overlap the other daily) - 2880 dil
Some other way of getting the other third.
Frankly, I really only enjoy arena and wouldn't waste my time not having fun to get dilithium the slow way, in PvP, rather than just hitting the Sphere for 30 minutes so I can go back to the arena queue. At present I can enjoy getting to my cap slowly, at least.
How about a dilithium reward for winning (480) and a smaller one for not winning (200), public queues only? Maybe even remove the wrapper mission and leave the dailies in place as they are. This would encourage teaming, teamwork among pugs, and maybe breathe some life into the team queues.
How about a dilithium reward for winning (480) and a smaller one for not winning (200), public queues only? Maybe even remove the wrapper mission and leave the dailies in place as they are. This would encourage teaming, teamwork among pugs, and maybe breathe some life into the team queues.
What they will probably do is remove all dilithium rewards, make a PvP reputation system, and make each match reward 30 PvP marks, 240 dilithium, and 1x PvPer's Worst Nightmare (PWN). Oh, once per day we get that 55 daily crate chucked our way. That way we have to waste 15 seconds to turn in 50 PvP marks for 500 dilithium and then another 15 seconds to turn in 3x PvPer's Worst Night Nightmare for 1,000 dilithium.
On top of that you'd be sure they would add a new weapon set with Console - Universal - M-5 Computer Core Mk XII, Omega Particle Torpedo Launcher Mk XII, and Omni-directional Stellar Converter Array Mk XII [Acc]x100 [Arc]. Hey, at least we will be able to make more versions of Ker'rat with that last item.
What they will probably do is remove all dilithium rewards, make a PvP reputation system, and make each match reward 30 PvP marks, 240 dilithium, and 1x PvPer's Worst Nightmare (PWN). Oh, once per day we get that 55 daily crate chucked our way. That way we have to waste 15 seconds to turn in 50 PvP marks for 500 dilithium and then another 15 seconds to turn in 3x PvPer's Worst Night Nightmare for 1,000 dilithium.
On top of that you'd be sure they would add a new weapon set with Console - Universal - M-5 Computer Core Mk XII, Omega Particle Torpedo Launcher Mk XII, and Omni-directional Stellar Converter Array Mk XII [Acc]x100 [Arc]. Hey, at least we will be able to make more versions of Ker'rat with that last item.
"pwn" lmao .... they can keep that rep where it is now. in the ingredients of the food which will provide the energy to get their brains to form and evolve(lol) that idea.
any way we could force them to do some diets?! or is that may already the problem? don't they get ngh to eat?!
People could farm dilithium a dozen times faster with stuff like the BZ than by doing arena groups for this and accolades.
Of course it is much easier to get dilithium by running actual PvE content. The thing is people abusing the private ground PvP queues are farmers. Some of them are players farming for fleet holding work, but most of them are gold sellers. The gold sellers are doing some variation of this:
Farming Ground PvP matches at one minute per match - 1440 dilithium in 3 minutes x20 characters
Capping out the characters daily
Converting the Refined Dilithium to Zen
Buying Master Keys with the Zen
Selling the Master Keys for Energy Credits
Selling the Energy Credits for real world money on we all know what website
Rinse and repeat
It wouldn't be difficult for a gold farmer make a couple billion energy credits in a day doing the above with a script and a stack of accounts. This is also why Cryptic's 20 hour cooldown will do nothing to solve the problem. The gold spammers will either make more characters or more accounts. The only way to get rid of this problem is to remove the ability for gold spammers to automate the process of farming dilithium through PvP missions.
All PvP-ers unite !! We should start makin teams of 2 or 3 players via OPvP, hit PvE queue`s and just stay AFK. We shall take part of our cake that way, we shall make them CRY!!!
Jokes aside, i mean rly, wut is goin on in their s***id heads??? All 4 borg STF`s will get you enough dill to hit refining cap for the day in about hour or less, considering optionals. This is some BS thats just shows how cryptic wants to remove PvP from the game.
(sry for bad grammar, english is not my native language)
Problem is that people stay afk in pvp and cryptic follows numbers and statistics with what people play.Seems more people "play" pvp than pve ,at least thats in their numbers .If thats the case then they have to stop that fast . I don't know how they can ask PWE to invest more in PvE when numbers show PvP is more played (at least in the statistic)....imagine what would happen to out great game designer who hates pvp and made everything coop (except new FE's which are 100% singleplayer)
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PVP was giving them a problem due to exploiters, and the "hard" solution was sitting and finding a real fix for the issue. But they dont care about PVP, so they went for the easy solution: hit all PVP hard.
PVE also has exploiters, and even worst than PVP.. just spend 10 minutes on Dyason ground and you will find them. But PVE is important and a solution for that may offend the PVE heroes.
Is time to not full our self, many believe that the devs really want to improve PVP but they dont have the recourses/time to do it. Today we have the proof that they dont give a dam about PVP, maybe not all of them, but the big majority dont give a dam.
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can this wannabe moderator also post what was vulgar about what I said ?
Didn't they do this before? It's been a while but if I remember correctly, they put kerrat on a cool down to get people to use the queues.
This.
Some characters.
Dont start bashing me on my negativity now
Removing all pvp ques would also fix this problem.
Somewhere in between "not happening" and "never".
That's one option .
There's another .
I'll offer a third :
Income (legal and semi-legal) has been nerfed for the last 2 seasons in an not-so-subtle attempt to push players to purchase Zen via cash .
Tour of the Galaxy , STF optional BNP's in S.9 , all the Dil from STF's @ the start of S.7 (later restored) , The Foundry (wrapper & in general) -- all this and probably more (that I'm forgetting) is just a pattern of behavior by Cryptic .
I see this nerf as something that has 2 possible outcomes :
1) It joins the nerfs above and has little to nothing to do with you on an individual level (or as a sub-group of STO [layers) , as those players who participated in either legal or semi-legal grinding of the content above also got nerfed as a group .
2) It's an attempt by Cryptic to "get their PVP house in order" before they introduce a PVP reputation .
Yeah , I know , it's a long shot .
... one thing about the STO community ... , it never fails to disappoint .
S8.5 everyone was arguing about a "free ship" (my sig back then) , now they are arguing about a torpedo instead of protesting this nerf ... .
It's also interesting to see that Geko's golden child (dinoz with lazors) isn't getting touched ... despite sticking out like a sore thumb in terms or rewards ... now that everything else get's nerfed across the board ... .
Oh well , at least we don't get any new PVP maps or serious endgame raids for this game's eventual 'Maintenance Mode' .
But we do get to build sand castles on Risa ... , so not all is lost , right ?
SERIOUSLY, CRYPTIC? :mad::mad::mad:
This is pure [shet]. i always do pvp, and now i'll have to do boring other lousy pve to get my daily things... good job you want to kill pvp... meh. this game has LOOOW rewards for pvping (hey, 1440k dil x 3 matches, that's NOT ENOUGH!) AND NOW YA REDUCE IT!?!? YOU SERIOUS?
Bah, i love this game, but i guess devs here don't know what they're doing, or think that pve is the only part of this game, and pvp is just an exploit to gain dil.
once again, SERIOUSLY? I hope none of this gets uploaded.
If it does, congratz on making me hate ya devs.
best wishes,
Giovanni@giotariz, PvP's nadion bomber dude, and OrganizedPvP's number 1 spammer
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MUUUM.. erm.... JESSEEE
However, I feel the number of PvE players willing to try PvP or even join a match and actually do their best - and I know the numbers must be pretty low, but /shrug - will drop even further.
Like everyone has said: Just remove the rewards from private matches and call it a day. Or put other incentives to join a PvP match into place.
-
Also, how big of a problem is this PvP dil farming really? I honestly don't know, that's why I'm asking. I once joined a couple of mates inviting me for a ground PvP thing, and it turned out that they wanted to do it for Dil. I found it so tedious and boring I just left.
Let's see, to hit the cap on one toon with just Space PvP you would have to do:
The Daily - 3 matches - 1440 dil
Ker'rat Daily - 3 resets - 1440 dil
The "soon to be" Dailies - 3 matches (not counting 3 because it would overlap the other daily) - 2880 dil
Some other way of getting the other third.
Frankly, I really only enjoy arena and wouldn't waste my time not having fun to get dilithium the slow way, in PvP, rather than just hitting the Sphere for 30 minutes so I can go back to the arena queue. At present I can enjoy getting to my cap slowly, at least.
How about a dilithium reward for winning (480) and a smaller one for not winning (200), public queues only? Maybe even remove the wrapper mission and leave the dailies in place as they are. This would encourage teaming, teamwork among pugs, and maybe breathe some life into the team queues.
What they will probably do is remove all dilithium rewards, make a PvP reputation system, and make each match reward 30 PvP marks, 240 dilithium, and 1x PvPer's Worst Nightmare (PWN). Oh, once per day we get that 55 daily crate chucked our way. That way we have to waste 15 seconds to turn in 50 PvP marks for 500 dilithium and then another 15 seconds to turn in 3x PvPer's Worst Night Nightmare for 1,000 dilithium.
On top of that you'd be sure they would add a new weapon set with Console - Universal - M-5 Computer Core Mk XII, Omega Particle Torpedo Launcher Mk XII, and Omni-directional Stellar Converter Array Mk XII [Acc]x100 [Arc]. Hey, at least we will be able to make more versions of Ker'rat with that last item.
--->Ground Combat General Bugs Directory
Real join date: March 2012 / PvP Veteran since May 2012 (Ground and Space)
never pvped for rewards anyway. we bash u cus u suck
"pwn" lmao
any way we could force them to do some diets?! or is that may already the problem? don't they get ngh to eat?!
Of course it is much easier to get dilithium by running actual PvE content. The thing is people abusing the private ground PvP queues are farmers. Some of them are players farming for fleet holding work, but most of them are gold sellers. The gold sellers are doing some variation of this:
It wouldn't be difficult for a gold farmer make a couple billion energy credits in a day doing the above with a script and a stack of accounts. This is also why Cryptic's 20 hour cooldown will do nothing to solve the problem. The gold spammers will either make more characters or more accounts. The only way to get rid of this problem is to remove the ability for gold spammers to automate the process of farming dilithium through PvP missions.
--->Ground Combat General Bugs Directory
Real join date: March 2012 / PvP Veteran since May 2012 (Ground and Space)
Jokes aside, i mean rly, wut is goin on in their s***id heads??? All 4 borg STF`s will get you enough dill to hit refining cap for the day in about hour or less, considering optionals. This is some BS thats just shows how cryptic wants to remove PvP from the game.
(sry for bad grammar, english is not my native language)
what he said^^
and, btw cryptic.... WTH? WHY?