I think your information is confused. The JJVerse TOS uniforms were the ones that were mistakenly included in the game's code (I think someone somewhere can provide screenshots). However the rights to those uniforms apparently belong to Paramount, not CBS, so that's where the conflict comes in.
...notice the seams/texturing
The "Countdown" uniform screenshot IIRC actually comes from Perpetual's concept art before Cryptic took over. The in-game "Sierra" top is close enough to that though.
Well it's not my information I said I got it from another thread.
All that said, I liked the texture of the JJ uniforms thought that was a nice touch. I would've accepted that retcon.
I don't feel that the Sierra is close enough. It's an acceptable substitute, but I don't think it's as good. The Countdown is much sleeker.
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Ok, I've now taken the time to read the OP and the rest of the thread (my post above was simply a reply to the Dev after following the Tracker to this thread).
Now, to the OP - Those are some great ideas.
I love the Ody uniform and think it makes a fine standard uniform in the game. And I've got no problem with the game locking that behind a paywall (either Fleet or C-Store). It's a F2P game, payup if you want the good stuff. Heh.
Anyway, I'm especially pleased to have the official color pallet available (even if the Dev posted it on Reddit, sure would love to have an Official Blog on it ). That really makes my OCD happy.
I have all my active Fed characters with an standard Ody uniform set up (they wear them whenever visiting ESD/Sol, and occasionally elsewise).
In that Reddit post, Thomas mentions that the gold piping is strictly for Quinn, him being the "head honcho", so I doubt we'd see that even in a C-Store variant. Though, perhaps they could make a Silver piping? I would like to see a long coat (with sleeve cuffs) and proper Ody belt made available. I would certainly love the option to support Cryptic with a $5-10 purchase to unlock a "premium" version of the Ody account-wide.
Likewise for the Bortus uniform, a C-Store unlock (regardless if part of a discounted bundle or not) would be purchased in an instant if it contained the missing pieces (though still miffed about those not being included already).
Thanks, Havelock. High praise indeed coming from you. I, too, love the Odyssey Uniform and would be willing to pay for a C-Store version of it, likewise with the Bortasqu' Uniform.
So far, I only have the Fleet Tailor Odyssey Basic Uniform on one of my FED Captains, and only because I managed an invite to Starbase with it unlocked. Sometimes getting those invites can be difficult, which is another reason I've made this request.
I'm looking forward to an official Dev Blog on the Odyssey Uniform as well. I had heard we were getting one, but alas two weeks have passed witout another word on the subject. The Reddit post does help for now.
I can live with not getting a version of Quinn's uniform if his is to be unique. Perhaps the silver that you spoke of before instead. An Odyssey long coat would be equally appreciated.
So Feds and KDF have a standard uniform. What about the Romulans? Those half-children, forced to join other factions' fleets, but can't wear their fleet uniforms (even if purchased -- Another thing Cryptic did that torqued me off :mad:), and who have mixed-faction bridge crews forced to wear different uniforms... It makes my OCD quite unhappy. >sigh< Oh well...
Well, the Romulans basically arrived with their standard uniform, so I don't think we'll see another one for them for awhile yet. It makes sense that Romulans cannot wear the Odyssey or Bortasqu' Uniforms, but can their FED/KDF BOFFs wear them if purchased? Or can they not even purchase them? I would think that those BOFFs would be able to wear the Fleet Tailor Uniforms. If not, then that needs to be remedied.
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Thanks, Havelock. High praise indeed coming from you. I, too, love the Odyssey Uniform and would be willing to pay for a C-Store version of it, likewise with the Bortasqu' Uniform.
So far, I only have the Fleet Tailor Odyssey Basic Uniform on one of my FED Captains, and only because I managed an invite to Starbase with it unlocked. Sometimes getting those invites can be difficult, which is another reason I've made this request.
I'm looking forward to an official Dev Blog on the Odyssey Uniform as well. I had heard we were getting one, but alas two weeks have passed witout another word on the subject. The Reddit post does help for now.
I can live with not getting a version of Quinn's uniform if his is to be unique. Perhaps the silver that you spoke of before instead. An Odyssey long coat would be equally appreciated.
Well, the Romulans basically arrived with their standard uniform, so I don't think we'll see another one for them for awhile yet. It makes sense that Romulans cannot wear the Odyssey or Bortasqu' Uniforms, but can their FED/KDF BOFFs wear them if purchased? Or can they not even purchase them? I would think that those BOFFs would be able to wear the Fleet Tailor Uniforms. If not, then that needs to be remedied.
I'd like to think that the Romulan Republic "Militia" would be a little less strict than Starfleet about uniforms. Even though they have three possible sets of uniforms, the Republic standard, and two varieties each of the Republic Klingon and Republic Federation uniforms, and different varieties of all for Remans. That's not necessarily the Fleet standard.
I do find it interesting that Shon and Jarok both wear their factions respective Veteran Uniforms.
I think that the Romulans need their own Fleet Uniform variety, it's only proper.
I think both the Romulans and the Klingons need their own equivalent to the Jupiter Uniform series which was spectacular and I know it sold well because I see it everywhere. For Klingons I know there's a step between the modern Klingon warrior's garb and the brilliant Korath gear.
On that note, are Romulans getting a 29th century uniform?
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I agree and support pretty much all of the OP's suggestion. The only thing I don't really agree on is the gold piping and striping. That is used as a sign of the Admiralty and not a fleet. I think that should at the very least be accessible to anyone who has the uniform and has reached level 40.
So far, I only have the Fleet Tailor Odyssey Basic Uniform on one of my FED Captains, and only because I managed an invite to Starbase with it unlocked. Sometimes getting those invites can be difficult, which is another reason I've made this request.
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Well, the Romulans basically arrived with their standard uniform, so I don't think we'll see another one for them for awhile yet. It makes sense that Romulans cannot wear the Odyssey or Bortasqu' Uniforms, but can their FED/KDF BOFFs wear them if purchased? Or can they not even purchase them? I would think that those BOFFs would be able to wear the Fleet Tailor Uniforms. If not, then that needs to be remedied.
Sadly, this topic is a bit of a sore point for me. I was quite dissatisfied in Cryptic's "solution" (details here).
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Give the Odyssey (and Bortasqu) Basic uniform to everyone, upgrade the fleet store version to include the long jacket/belt/skirt/etc. That seems most reasonable to me, as it would let everyone more or less duplicate the new "canon" look and get the remaining parts out there.
Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
I was thinking about how best to handle this and here's my take:
Make a free version that is largely non-customizable and is the default for new characters.
The free version can't be mixed and matched and is palette locked to the primary canon colors.
Ie. jumpsuit is black. Badge and pips are light silver. Yoke is warm grey or white. Department stripe is locked to three department colors.
Then through the Fleet system, you get the version that can be recolored like we have now from the fleet system.
Free version locked to canon colors and options. Fleet version color unlocked and suitable for custom designing things like security variants/admiral variants/etc.
I'd like to think that the Romulan Republic "Militia" would be a little less strict than Starfleet about uniforms. Even though they have three possible sets of uniforms, the Republic standard, and two varieties each of the Republic Klingon and Republic Federation uniforms, and different varieties of all for Remans. That's not necessarily the Fleet standard.
I do find it interesting that Shon and Jarok both wear their factions respective Veteran Uniforms.
I think that the Romulans need their own Fleet Uniform variety, it's only proper.
I think both the Romulans and the Klingons need their own equivalent to the Jupiter Uniform series which was spectacular and I know it sold well because I see it everywhere. For Klingons I know there's a step between the modern Klingon warrior's garb and the brilliant Korath gear.
On that note, are Romulans getting a 29th century uniform?
Well, by the logic used by Cryptic to explain the Romulan Republic's need to ally with the Federation and/or KDF, i.e. they need help and can't really stand on their own yet, therefore need access to FED/KDF Starbases, ships, equipment, personnel, etc., then the Republic shouldn't really have ANY uniforms, or perhaps just hand-me-down Starfleet/KDF uniforms. LOL. But somehow the Republic managed to design and build all these 25th century Warbirds, including the totally original Ar'Kif/Ar'Kala. Hmmmm...
Anyway, I think the current Romulan Uniforms and other clothings options are quite excellent considering that they are somewhat limited, though still more options than the KDF.
I do support the idea of a Jupiter-like uniform line for the Romulans and KDF. SOMETHING to get these factions more options on par with the Federation. Modern Klingon? Honestly, that's just TNG era looking uniforms to me. The modern KDF uniform is the Bortasqu', but you don't see it worn ANYWHERE except by Koren and her crew.
A 29th century Romulan uniform would have to be invented, though. The Wells and Korath were seen on screen.
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I agree and support pretty much all of the OP's suggestion. The only thing I don't really agree on is the gold piping and striping. That is used as a sign of the Admiralty and not a fleet. I think that should at the very least be accessible to anyone who has the uniform and has reached level 40.
Perhaps, the gold Admiral's uniform unlocks after players hit Level 40-50, but only if they've purchased the base uniform.
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Take a look at the NoP Public Service channel. Those saintly souls at Nerds of Prey and their equally-generous affiliated fleets, have provided myself and many others access to T5 Fleet goodies for all factions. For FREE. I've even offered payment (to say "Thanks!"), and have been refused. The channel is still very active. Check out this thread for more info.
Yes! Great people there. It's how I got the Odyssey on my FED Main. But, sadly, it seems there's not always someone available when I'm looking for an invite. Hit and miss.
Sadly, this topic is a bit of a sore point for me. I was quite dissatisfied in Cryptic's "solution" (details here).
Sorry to hear about your misfortune there. It's definitely something that should've been considered from the get go. Also, yet another example of why Romulans should be independent of alliances.
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Give the Odyssey (and Bortasqu) Basic uniform to everyone, upgrade the fleet store version to include the long jacket/belt/skirt/etc. That seems most reasonable to me, as it would let everyone more or less duplicate the new "canon" look and get the remaining parts out there.
Even though, I wouldn't complain if Cryptic gave the Odyssey/Bortasqu' Uniforms away for free, I will not argue in favor of it either. My reasons are 1) I think it would be more likely to get said uniforms if it were demonstrated to Cryptic that players would be willing to buy them, i.e. Cryptic has incentive to do it, and 2) Fleets have put a lot of time, effort, resources, and real money into building up their Starbases and unlocking these uniforms, to basically give them away for free to anyone and everyone would almost be like a slap in the face for all that effort.
Even if the Fleet Tailor uniforms are replaced with a variant on the same, there's no guarantee that Fleets would like the replacements or even be appeased. By making them C-Store purchases, players that want the uniforms would need to buy them, which monetarily supports the game, or grind Dilithium for Zen conversion, which in turn makes them earned through gameplay - effort expended just like the Fleets had to do originally to get them. THAT is why I think it's fair and reasonable.
I was thinking about how best to handle this and here's my take:
Make a free version that is largely non-customizable and is the default for new characters.
The free version can't be mixed and matched and is palette locked to the primary canon colors.
Ie. jumpsuit is black. Badge and pips are light silver. Yoke is warm grey or white. Department stripe is locked to three department colors.
Then through the Fleet system, you get the version that can be recolored like we have now from the fleet system.
Free version locked to canon colors and options. Fleet version color unlocked and suitable for custom designing things like security variants/admiral variants/etc.
I don't think that a non-customizable, default version would work. First, the new tutorial already does this with the Academy Uniform, albeit for a short time. One of STO's big selling points is customization. Rendering a version of uniforms non-customizable goes against that selling point, plus it would be the ONLY uniform that does this. I don't think any one would support it, even if they intended to use the default colors. It's just the idea of taking away the option that irks some people.
If they could do that we'd probably already have the ability to set the uniforms of the NPCs in our ship interiors and fleet starbases.
As I said, they can do it. Look at the new FED Tutorial where you're in the Academy Uniform, or even Temporal Ambassador where they overwrite your uniform with the worker's jumpsuit. Now giving us control of our crew's uniforms is something else.
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If they could do that we'd probably already have the ability to set the uniforms of the NPCs in our ship interiors and fleet starbases.
Maybe my suggestion isn't clear.
I'm suggesting a duplicate of the Fleet costume is made available to everyone as a different costume with a different name.
This version restricts your color options. Jumpsuit is mandatory black. Stripe gets 3 color choices. Yoke gets grey and white. Like the Omega gear but more restrictive.
This is a separate costume from the fleet costume.
Like how there are scarves with mandatory colors and then the same scarf with custom color option as a separate costume piece.
I don't think that a non-customizable, default version would work. First, the new tutorial already does this with the Academy Uniform, albeit for a short time. One of STO's big selling points is customization. Rendering a version of uniforms non-customizable goes against that selling point, plus it would be the ONLY uniform that does this. I don't think any one would support it, even if they intended to use the default colors. It's just the idea of taking away the option that irks some people.
Well, the customization limited option is FREE. The customized version is paid. This is a change I'm proposing and I think it's a change that is worth considering because uniform sales have been a money loser for the game.
Heck, I could see this being done for all of the core canon uniforms. You want the Captains' variants or MU costumes or custom colors, then pay.
But you get a palette locked version of the uniforms from all the series for free, to get you started on customization.
Uniforms probably need a business model overhaul anyway. "What they currently do" is lose money to a point where Cryptic doesn't make them or release the ones they have made like Generations Kirk or MACO. So how uniforms are sold needs to change or we won't get them anyway.
Well, the customization limited option is FREE. The customized version is paid. This is a change I'm proposing and I think it's a change that is worth considering because uniform sales have been a money loser for the game.
Heck, I could see this being done for all of the core canon uniforms. You want the Captains' variants or MU costumes or custom colors, then pay.
I think this is a terrible idea. While they should get a change this isn't it.
Well, the customization limited option is FREE. The customized version is paid. This is a change I'm proposing and I think it's a change that is worth considering because uniform sales have been a money loser for the game.
Heck, I could see this being done for all of the core canon uniforms. You want the Captains' variants or MU costumes or custom colors, then pay.
But you get a palette locked version of the uniforms from all the series for free, to get you started on customization.
Uniforms probably need a business model overhaul anyway. "What they currently do" is lose money to a point where Cryptic doesn't make them or release the ones they have made like Generations Kirk or MACO. So how uniforms are sold needs to change or we won't get them anyway.
I'm not sure what you mean by "money loser" for the game. I see plenty of people in game wearing uniforms that they got from the C-Store.
I suppose you're referring to the money (dev time put into design) put into making the uniforms not worth what they'd project to recoup in sales. Considering the uniforms you've mentioned, plus the ones we're talking about are already in game (and the variants proposed should require very little effort), i.e. money's been spent, then might as well sell them to recoup some of it.
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Future plans for these items are a while off yet...
Kind of ridiculous.
You've created a new standard uniform that we can't even wear properly. The belt is missing. The one you've offered as a substitute (Jupiter) doesn't sit on female toons properly. I'm left jealous of every NPC. The need for a plan before "a while off" seems pretty evident.
Something to consider as part of this: add an Open variant of the Odyssey Basic Uniform jacket to either the C-Store purchase proposed by the OP, or the existing Open Jacket bundle.
Only if that open jacket comes with equal amount of skin showing for male and female toons.
They also need to do a Skant version of the uniforms for everyone as well.
Only if that open jacket comes with equal amount of skin showing for male and female toons.
They also need to do a Skant version of the uniforms for everyone as well.
Actually, an open jacket version of the Odyssey would just show the turtleneck shirt underneath just like the open jacket version of the TNG movie uniform, so no more skin would show for either sex anyway.
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Only if that open jacket comes with equal amount of skin showing for male and female toons.
Indeed, I would like to see all of the open uniforms at least have an option for equal skin. That is, the female should have an undershirt, just like the male.
Seriously, what kind of self-respecting Starfleet officer zips down her jacket until her coconuts are practically hanging out? We ain't Orion Pirates.
They also need to do a Skant version of the uniforms for everyone as well.
Odyssey Skant :cool:.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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Indeed, I would like to see all of the open uniforms at least have an option for equal skin. That is, the female should have an undershirt, just like the male.
Seriously, what kind of self-respecting Starfleet officer zips down her jacket until her coconuts are practically hanging out? We ain't Orion Pirates.
One who doesn't care about human societal norms about showing skin.
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One who doesn't care about human societal norms about showing skin.
But apparently only on females.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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Well, I want undershirt options on *all* the uniforms with open variants. Right now, I really hate the fact, that female versions of these open jackets show clevage... I mean, sure offer that option, I'm sure some people will enjoy it, but give us equally the choice of having a proper uniform undershirts for female characters too.. and that goes for any future released open uniiforms....
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Well, I want undershirt options on *all* the uniforms with open variants. Right now, I really hate the fact, that female versions of these open jackets show clevage... I mean, sure offer that option, I'm sure some people will enjoy it, but give us equally the choice of having a proper uniform undershirts for female characters too.. and that goes for any future released open uniiforms....
Actually that's an excellent point, there should be an undershirt or no option for both males and females. Heck look at Kirk's wrap around tunic, no undershirt there, it's canon.
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Thanks for your suggestions and comments I've been in discussions regarding the Odyssey and Bortasqu' items recently, and we always consider what you guys post. Future plans for these items are a while off yet, but please keep your suggestions coming.
QUESTION: Shortly after Season 9 went live, we were informed that Thomas Marrone was writing a DevBlog concerning the Odyssey Uniform and official colors, etc. While I'm aware of the Reddit post detailing some of this, I was wondering when we might see the mentioned DevBlog?
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I would like to apologize for these taking so long. I lost the originals and had to redo them from scratch. I've also had kind of a rough week so I wasn't able to do them until yesterday or do anything fancy beyond a terrible sketch.
For those of you that care about all the fashion to help make them more evil here are the differences:
The collar is slightly higher in order to give it a more evil look. The girl on the far right has an extra high collar just to show what it would look like.
On the male uniform the metallic banding is lower on the chest. This makes the shoulders look broader.
The female version (of course) bares the midriff. Tradition must be upheld.
Unlike the ENT uniforms the sleeves go all the way to the wrist on both male and female uniforms.
Just as the Oddy combadge (the one that's unavailible to players) is the alternate future variant without the backing, the Terran Oddy Combadge is the symbol of the empire without the sword. So just a planet earth.
It's also on the opposite side of the chest.
There are no differences in the pants.
The boots are more boot-like and were based off the TOS Boots with the raised heels. The current Oddy boots don't look very "empirey".
The empire has graduated from skirts to booty shorts. I personally don't think the Oddy uniform reallys works with skirts already, and adding a midriff makes it look even worse. Short Shorts look better, are suitably different, and still work with the whole "evil" thing. Plus, you know, Booty Shorts man.
The thigh high boots currently in game aren't really that sexy. Some true high heeled boots would remedy that.
The metallic banding around the chest is also around the wrists, and the mirror belt.
The Dagger is now a Buck Knife.
Anyway, if enough people like them I'll clean them up, colour them, and draw the rest of the ideas I have.
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Well it's not my information I said I got it from another thread.
All that said, I liked the texture of the JJ uniforms thought that was a nice touch. I would've accepted that retcon.
I don't feel that the Sierra is close enough. It's an acceptable substitute, but I don't think it's as good. The Countdown is much sleeker.
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Thanks, Havelock. High praise indeed coming from you. I, too, love the Odyssey Uniform and would be willing to pay for a C-Store version of it, likewise with the Bortasqu' Uniform.
So far, I only have the Fleet Tailor Odyssey Basic Uniform on one of my FED Captains, and only because I managed an invite to Starbase with it unlocked. Sometimes getting those invites can be difficult, which is another reason I've made this request.
I'm looking forward to an official Dev Blog on the Odyssey Uniform as well. I had heard we were getting one, but alas two weeks have passed witout another word on the subject. The Reddit post does help for now.
I can live with not getting a version of Quinn's uniform if his is to be unique. Perhaps the silver that you spoke of before instead. An Odyssey long coat would be equally appreciated.
Well, the Romulans basically arrived with their standard uniform, so I don't think we'll see another one for them for awhile yet. It makes sense that Romulans cannot wear the Odyssey or Bortasqu' Uniforms, but can their FED/KDF BOFFs wear them if purchased? Or can they not even purchase them? I would think that those BOFFs would be able to wear the Fleet Tailor Uniforms. If not, then that needs to be remedied.
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I'd like to think that the Romulan Republic "Militia" would be a little less strict than Starfleet about uniforms. Even though they have three possible sets of uniforms, the Republic standard, and two varieties each of the Republic Klingon and Republic Federation uniforms, and different varieties of all for Remans. That's not necessarily the Fleet standard.
I do find it interesting that Shon and Jarok both wear their factions respective Veteran Uniforms.
I think that the Romulans need their own Fleet Uniform variety, it's only proper.
I think both the Romulans and the Klingons need their own equivalent to the Jupiter Uniform series which was spectacular and I know it sold well because I see it everywhere. For Klingons I know there's a step between the modern Klingon warrior's garb and the brilliant Korath gear.
On that note, are Romulans getting a 29th century uniform?
Sadly, this topic is a bit of a sore point for me. I was quite dissatisfied in Cryptic's "solution" (details here).
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Make a free version that is largely non-customizable and is the default for new characters.
The free version can't be mixed and matched and is palette locked to the primary canon colors.
Ie. jumpsuit is black. Badge and pips are light silver. Yoke is warm grey or white. Department stripe is locked to three department colors.
Then through the Fleet system, you get the version that can be recolored like we have now from the fleet system.
Free version locked to canon colors and options. Fleet version color unlocked and suitable for custom designing things like security variants/admiral variants/etc.
If they could do that we'd probably already have the ability to set the uniforms of the NPCs in our ship interiors and fleet starbases.
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Well, by the logic used by Cryptic to explain the Romulan Republic's need to ally with the Federation and/or KDF, i.e. they need help and can't really stand on their own yet, therefore need access to FED/KDF Starbases, ships, equipment, personnel, etc., then the Republic shouldn't really have ANY uniforms, or perhaps just hand-me-down Starfleet/KDF uniforms. LOL. But somehow the Republic managed to design and build all these 25th century Warbirds, including the totally original Ar'Kif/Ar'Kala. Hmmmm...
Anyway, I think the current Romulan Uniforms and other clothings options are quite excellent considering that they are somewhat limited, though still more options than the KDF.
I do support the idea of a Jupiter-like uniform line for the Romulans and KDF. SOMETHING to get these factions more options on par with the Federation. Modern Klingon? Honestly, that's just TNG era looking uniforms to me. The modern KDF uniform is the Bortasqu', but you don't see it worn ANYWHERE except by Koren and her crew.
A 29th century Romulan uniform would have to be invented, though. The Wells and Korath were seen on screen.
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Perhaps, the gold Admiral's uniform unlocks after players hit Level 40-50, but only if they've purchased the base uniform.
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Yes! Great people there. It's how I got the Odyssey on my FED Main. But, sadly, it seems there's not always someone available when I'm looking for an invite. Hit and miss.
Sorry to hear about your misfortune there. It's definitely something that should've been considered from the get go. Also, yet another example of why Romulans should be independent of alliances.
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Even though, I wouldn't complain if Cryptic gave the Odyssey/Bortasqu' Uniforms away for free, I will not argue in favor of it either. My reasons are 1) I think it would be more likely to get said uniforms if it were demonstrated to Cryptic that players would be willing to buy them, i.e. Cryptic has incentive to do it, and 2) Fleets have put a lot of time, effort, resources, and real money into building up their Starbases and unlocking these uniforms, to basically give them away for free to anyone and everyone would almost be like a slap in the face for all that effort.
Even if the Fleet Tailor uniforms are replaced with a variant on the same, there's no guarantee that Fleets would like the replacements or even be appeased. By making them C-Store purchases, players that want the uniforms would need to buy them, which monetarily supports the game, or grind Dilithium for Zen conversion, which in turn makes them earned through gameplay - effort expended just like the Fleets had to do originally to get them. THAT is why I think it's fair and reasonable.
I don't think that a non-customizable, default version would work. First, the new tutorial already does this with the Academy Uniform, albeit for a short time. One of STO's big selling points is customization. Rendering a version of uniforms non-customizable goes against that selling point, plus it would be the ONLY uniform that does this. I don't think any one would support it, even if they intended to use the default colors. It's just the idea of taking away the option that irks some people.
As I said, they can do it. Look at the new FED Tutorial where you're in the Academy Uniform, or even Temporal Ambassador where they overwrite your uniform with the worker's jumpsuit. Now giving us control of our crew's uniforms is something else.
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Maybe my suggestion isn't clear.
I'm suggesting a duplicate of the Fleet costume is made available to everyone as a different costume with a different name.
This version restricts your color options. Jumpsuit is mandatory black. Stripe gets 3 color choices. Yoke gets grey and white. Like the Omega gear but more restrictive.
This is a separate costume from the fleet costume.
Like how there are scarves with mandatory colors and then the same scarf with custom color option as a separate costume piece.
Well, the customization limited option is FREE. The customized version is paid. This is a change I'm proposing and I think it's a change that is worth considering because uniform sales have been a money loser for the game.
Heck, I could see this being done for all of the core canon uniforms. You want the Captains' variants or MU costumes or custom colors, then pay.
But you get a palette locked version of the uniforms from all the series for free, to get you started on customization.
Uniforms probably need a business model overhaul anyway. "What they currently do" is lose money to a point where Cryptic doesn't make them or release the ones they have made like Generations Kirk or MACO. So how uniforms are sold needs to change or we won't get them anyway.
I think this is a terrible idea. While they should get a change this isn't it.
I'm not sure what you mean by "money loser" for the game. I see plenty of people in game wearing uniforms that they got from the C-Store.
I suppose you're referring to the money (dev time put into design) put into making the uniforms not worth what they'd project to recoup in sales. Considering the uniforms you've mentioned, plus the ones we're talking about are already in game (and the variants proposed should require very little effort), i.e. money's been spent, then might as well sell them to recoup some of it.
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Kind of ridiculous.
You've created a new standard uniform that we can't even wear properly. The belt is missing. The one you've offered as a substitute (Jupiter) doesn't sit on female toons properly. I'm left jealous of every NPC. The need for a plan before "a while off" seems pretty evident.
Only if that open jacket comes with equal amount of skin showing for male and female toons.
They also need to do a Skant version of the uniforms for everyone as well.
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Actually, an open jacket version of the Odyssey would just show the turtleneck shirt underneath just like the open jacket version of the TNG movie uniform, so no more skin would show for either sex anyway.
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Seriously, what kind of self-respecting Starfleet officer zips down her jacket until her coconuts are practically hanging out? We ain't Orion Pirates.
Odyssey Skant :cool:.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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One who doesn't care about human societal norms about showing skin.
But apparently only on females.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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Actually that's an excellent point, there should be an undershirt or no option for both males and females. Heck look at Kirk's wrap around tunic, no undershirt there, it's canon.
QUESTION: Shortly after Season 9 went live, we were informed that Thomas Marrone was writing a DevBlog concerning the Odyssey Uniform and official colors, etc. While I'm aware of the Reddit post detailing some of this, I was wondering when we might see the mentioned DevBlog?
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The kind that doesn't want a dis-commendation and plasma manifold scrubbing duty. >:C
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For those of you that care about all the fashion to help make them more evil here are the differences:
The collar is slightly higher in order to give it a more evil look. The girl on the far right has an extra high collar just to show what it would look like.
On the male uniform the metallic banding is lower on the chest. This makes the shoulders look broader.
The female version (of course) bares the midriff. Tradition must be upheld.
Unlike the ENT uniforms the sleeves go all the way to the wrist on both male and female uniforms.
Just as the Oddy combadge (the one that's unavailible to players) is the alternate future variant without the backing, the Terran Oddy Combadge is the symbol of the empire without the sword. So just a planet earth.
It's also on the opposite side of the chest.
There are no differences in the pants.
The boots are more boot-like and were based off the TOS Boots with the raised heels. The current Oddy boots don't look very "empirey".
The empire has graduated from skirts to booty shorts. I personally don't think the Oddy uniform reallys works with skirts already, and adding a midriff makes it look even worse. Short Shorts look better, are suitably different, and still work with the whole "evil" thing. Plus, you know, Booty Shorts man.
The thigh high boots currently in game aren't really that sexy. Some true high heeled boots would remedy that.
The metallic banding around the chest is also around the wrists, and the mirror belt.
The Dagger is now a Buck Knife.
Anyway, if enough people like them I'll clean them up, colour them, and draw the rest of the ideas I have.