Apparently we are going to stoop to this level. I hoped for better out of you. :rolleyes:
Actually most of those pictures are from Trekcore. Wonderful little database that. Ex Astris Scientia is another good one but it doesn't allow hotlinking. :V
This is actually available in the game right now, but limited only to Male Orions. Note that the screenshot below is pre-Season 9, with the nicer textures.
All Cryptic has to do is enable the "None" drop down under the Bare Chest category for all other species (currently, only the Khan outfit is available).
Honestly, if all people can do is point out how much of a Victorian I am, and simply call me a troll, instead of refuting my arguments...
... then to me, they really have no argument to make.
They know that those pictures are out of context and do not represent 'the whole' of Star Trek.
They know children play this game, but they don't care, since they want their sexy trill on ESD running around barefoot, and anyone who disagrees with them is a sheltered prude who isn't open-minded.
But I'm of the opinion that their fun ends when it comes to other parents forbidding their children from playing the game because they have the wrong first impression of what Star Trek Online consists of.
Honestly, if all people can do is point out how much of a Victorian I am, and simply call me a troll, instead of refuting my arguments...
... then to me, they really have no argument to make.
They know that those pictures are out of context and do not represent 'the whole' of Star Trek.
They know children play this game, but they don't care, since they want their sexy trill on ESD running around barefoot, and anyone who disagrees with them is a sheltered prude who isn't open-minded.
But I'm of the opinion that their fun ends when it comes to other parents forbidding their children from playing the game because they have the wrong first impression of what Star Trek Online consists of.
we have refuted your arguments... you just won't notice it
I personally think you're being a bit too anal and prudish over this... you would had fit in quite well with those folks leaving Europe for America
For someone who thinks I'm trolling them, you sure can't stop yourself from biting the hook, can you? Sounds to me like you have some impulse control issues.
there's that episode where Riker is goggling a woman then has a very racy conversation with her, as he begins from the top and works his way down, to bathe her...
then they talk about polygamy and gets two colonies to agree to polygamy.
and anyone who disagrees with them is a sheltered prude who isn't open-minded.
And that statement itself is the problem. That is the equal to a child calling the parents TRIBBLE because we will not allow the child to do drugs, or something else that we know will only ruin that child's future. We are mature and responsible adults who have respect and accountability. We don't disrespect ourselves by running about looking like prostitutes. We conduct ourselves as professionals, including the way we dress.
Honestly, if all people can do is point out how much of a Victorian I am, and simply call me a troll, instead of refuting my arguments...
... then to me, they really have no argument to make.
They know that those pictures are out of context and do not represent 'the whole' of Star Trek.
They know children play this game, but they don't care, since they want their sexy trill on ESD running around barefoot, and anyone who disagrees with them is a sheltered prude who isn't open-minded.
But I'm of the opinion that their fun ends when it comes to other parents forbidding their children from playing the game because they have the wrong first impression of what Star Trek Online consists of.
This is all they did when I debated with them on the Risan threads over the same issues.
How much air time were the outfits given? Were they in special cases rather than the norm?
Who exactly is ignoring who...?
Guess what...can wear them on Risa...limited overall time and special case...just like the shows/movies!
One could argue for a tailor to be added to vessels so folks could change and wear what they want on their ships.
One could argue for beaches and the like to be added to various social zones as separate instances.
One could argue for additional holodeck instances with tailors...
One could argue for so many things...but not generally running around in swimsuits 24/7.
STO is first and foremost an MMO. Lots of MMOs have swimwear obtainable via a summer event quests or a summer offering at the cash shop during the appropriate time of the year. STO is the only MMO ever created where "swimwear" is limited only to one zone.
Add to the fact that we have to GRIND for it. And I'm sure there will be shortcut options to partially purchase it via lobi just like the Winter items.
There is absolutely NO BUSINESS sense or gaming or IP issue saying that swimwear must be restricted in one social zone, especially a zone that is inaccessible by KDFers unless they are off a certain marauding rank.
The only people against this are those puritans whose behaviour is contrary to the kind of tolerance and acceptance that the Star Trek IP wishes to emphasize. Its sad really.
STO is first and foremost an MMO. Lots of MMOs have swimwear obtainable via a summer event quests or a summer offering at the cash shop during the appropriate time of the year. STO is the only MMO ever created where "swimwear" is limited only to one zone.
Add to the fact that we have to GRIND for it. And I'm sure there will be shortcut options to partially purchase it via lobi just like the Winter items.
There is absolutely NO BUSINESS sense or gaming or IP issue saying that swimwear must be restricted in one social zone, especially a zone that is inaccessible by KDFers unless they are off a certain marauding rank.
The only people against this are those puritans whose behaviour is contrary to the kind of tolerance and acceptance that the Star Trek IP wishes to emphasize. Its sad really.
The Star Trek IP emphasizes money making, that's all it ever was for. It's not to spread any kind of ideals. It was simply a sci-fi series to put food on Gene's table.
I do think you are a troll, I just don't have anything better to do at the moment... I could go to bed, but you are an entertaining troll to feed
And I think you're angry because the grown-ups don't think it's a good idea for people to run around like prostitutes.
And honestly, if you go running around the game looking like Santa Claus, then there's probably a reason people avoid asking you for gifts. The same reason why parents tell children that the van that says "Free Candy" on it probably doesn't have free candy, and to stay 50 feet away from it at all times.
The only people against this are those puritans whose behaviour is contrary to the kind of tolerance and acceptance that the Star Trek IP wishes to emphasize. Its sad really.
The sad part is that you feel secure in calling folks that disagree with you puritans - yet if they were to call you what you are...you'd whine to the mods faster than the Falcon can make the Kessel run...
The Star Trek IP emphasizes money making, that's all it ever was for. It's not to spread any kind of ideals. It was simply a sci-fi series to put food on Gene's table.
And if MONEY MAKING is the objective, then there is even a better BUSINESS CASE for swimwear to be unrestricted. After all, sex sells.
Some MMOs like Tera Online make their money primarily by selling skimpier outfits, and without a doubt, the skimpy outfits for both male and females in SWTOR, avaiable only via their cartel packs, has helped that game generate hundreds of millions of additional revenue, essentially saving it financially.
So yeah, sell the "swimwear" in the C-store, or make them available via the lockboxes. As long as we can wear it everywhere in the game, I would gladly pay for it, and I'm sure I'm not alone...
The sad part is that you feel secure in calling folks that disagree with you puritans - yet if they were to call you what you are...you'd whine to the mods faster than the Falcon can make the Kessel run...
Parsecs were actually a matter of time not dis-- wait, wrong argument.
Parsecs were actually a matter of time not dis-- wait, wrong argument.
They were distance...but the comment stands, since by making the Kessel Run via a shorter distance a shorter period of time passed...thus shorter and faster.
The sad part is that you feel secure in calling folks that disagree with you puritans - yet if they were to call you what you are...you'd whine to the mods faster than the Falcon can make the Kessel run...
It is amazing how bent out of shape they get when you disagree with them.
And I think you're angry because the grown-ups don't think it's a good idea for people to run around like prostitutes.
And honestly, if you go running around the game looking like Santa Claus, then there's probably a reason people avoid asking you for gifts. The same reason why parents tell children that the van that says "Free Candy" on it probably doesn't have free candy.
Actually I set the santa clause thing up during the Christmas as a joke...
IF you think I'm a child, you're cute.
Now, let's be realistic here, you're one of those people who think a woman should dress modestly to avoid being *****. So you are of a culture that is outdated, blaming the woman for it simply because she dresses a bit... casually.
I'm of the newer generation, who by the way has been adults for a decade at the least... where we're teaching people that it's us, ourselves who decide if others should be objectified or not based on their appearance. Meaning, we take responsibility for our actions. We don't blame others. It has NEVER been the girl's fault, no matter how trashy she dressed. So let's look at this from a progressive point of view. Censorship has a negative impact on society. I don't particularly care how the people here dress. It's just a game. If they dress like people do on public beaches, that's fine. It's not pornography.
For those who scream "She's wearing a skimpy bathing suit, the boys will get off on it! it's bad bad bad!", I merely point to the beaches, to TV and say "what about those places?" You cannot censor, but you can teach others to respect women, no matter what they wear.
Now calm down and relax. If it's causing you problems, then go see a therapist and talk about it. It's nothing to be ashamed of.
It is amazing how bent out of shape they get when you disagree with them.
As if they're saturated beneath the woes of some lifelong tragedy that they've had to endure each day since plopping out the womb...to lash out at anybody that disagrees with them in the least, with all the hysteric fury one would expect from some horrible melodrama on Lifetime.
It can be entertaining at times, but in general it's generally tedious.
They know that those pictures are out of context and do not represent 'the whole' of Star Trek.
Then sum up Star Trek in a single picture.
Can't be done can it?
Adventure, science fiction, fanservice, sexy outfits, torn clothes, fistfights, moral commentary, product, merchandise, vision, marketing, inspiration, fantasy, imagination, horror, exploration, story, character, progressive, family, friendship, heroics, bravery, cowardice, sadness, joy, humor, wonder, a Trek through the Stars.
Star Trek is all of these things.
This picture doesn't need any context. It's the ******n USS Enterprise. Wherever it's going it's going there boldly. That's what it always does. Is any single screenshot, episode, comic, novel, fanart, or fanfiction indicative of Star Trek as a whole? Don't be silly of course not. :rolleyes:
Saying we should exclude the fanservice is like saying we should exclude all of TNG! TNG certainly doesn't represent Star Trek "as a whole". :P
Just because there's creepy fanfiction doesn't mean we should shun the practice as a whole, and just because there will be idiots with the customization system doesn't mean you should take a crapper on the rest of us.
If there is one thing I want you to take seriously, it's this: When you see an Orion, or a Character wearing the Be'ves, or the Cropped Winter Jackets, or going shirtless, or covered head to toe in armor, it's not your Star Trek. It's their Star Trek. And you don't deserve the right to dictate that to them.
Think if some folks spent a wee bit more time talking to their therapists and less time logging into a video game to drool over scantily clad characters...
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I'm just gonna leave this here.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/obsession
This is actually available in the game right now, but limited only to Male Orions. Note that the screenshot below is pre-Season 9, with the nicer textures.
All Cryptic has to do is enable the "None" drop down under the Bare Chest category for all other species (currently, only the Khan outfit is available).
... then to me, they really have no argument to make.
They know that those pictures are out of context and do not represent 'the whole' of Star Trek.
They know children play this game, but they don't care, since they want their sexy trill on ESD running around barefoot, and anyone who disagrees with them is a sheltered prude who isn't open-minded.
But I'm of the opinion that their fun ends when it comes to other parents forbidding their children from playing the game because they have the wrong first impression of what Star Trek Online consists of.
we have refuted your arguments... you just won't notice it
How much air time were the outfits given? Were they in special cases rather than the norm?
Who exactly is ignoring who...?
Guess what...can wear them on Risa...limited overall time and special case...just like the shows/movies!
One could argue for a tailor to be added to vessels so folks could change and wear what they want on their ships.
One could argue for beaches and the like to be added to various social zones as separate instances.
One could argue for additional holodeck instances with tailors...
One could argue for so many things...but not generally running around in swimsuits 24/7.
Finally, some sanity.
that's a matter of opinion...
I personally think you're being a bit too anal and prudish over this... you would had fit in quite well with those folks leaving Europe for America
For someone who thinks I'm trolling them, you sure can't stop yourself from biting the hook, can you? Sounds to me like you have some impulse control issues.
then they talk about polygamy and gets two colonies to agree to polygamy.
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This is all they did when I debated with them on the Risan threads over the same issues.
Really? Asking for officers to dress like officers is anal and prudish?
Can we not see Quinn covered in swimsuit wearing pakleds, dancing around him?
People say STO is a MMO with Trek dressing. I say can we try to slow that down and not speed it up?
STO is first and foremost an MMO. Lots of MMOs have swimwear obtainable via a summer event quests or a summer offering at the cash shop during the appropriate time of the year. STO is the only MMO ever created where "swimwear" is limited only to one zone.
Add to the fact that we have to GRIND for it. And I'm sure there will be shortcut options to partially purchase it via lobi just like the Winter items.
There is absolutely NO BUSINESS sense or gaming or IP issue saying that swimwear must be restricted in one social zone, especially a zone that is inaccessible by KDFers unless they are off a certain marauding rank.
The only people against this are those puritans whose behaviour is contrary to the kind of tolerance and acceptance that the Star Trek IP wishes to emphasize. Its sad really.
The Star Trek IP emphasizes money making, that's all it ever was for. It's not to spread any kind of ideals. It was simply a sci-fi series to put food on Gene's table.
And I think you're angry because the grown-ups don't think it's a good idea for people to run around like prostitutes.
And honestly, if you go running around the game looking like Santa Claus, then there's probably a reason people avoid asking you for gifts. The same reason why parents tell children that the van that says "Free Candy" on it probably doesn't have free candy, and to stay 50 feet away from it at all times.
I can cherry-pick out-of-context ideas too, see?
And that's what it was, a story.
The sad part is that you feel secure in calling folks that disagree with you puritans - yet if they were to call you what you are...you'd whine to the mods faster than the Falcon can make the Kessel run...
And if MONEY MAKING is the objective, then there is even a better BUSINESS CASE for swimwear to be unrestricted. After all, sex sells.
Some MMOs like Tera Online make their money primarily by selling skimpier outfits, and without a doubt, the skimpy outfits for both male and females in SWTOR, avaiable only via their cartel packs, has helped that game generate hundreds of millions of additional revenue, essentially saving it financially.
So yeah, sell the "swimwear" in the C-store, or make them available via the lockboxes. As long as we can wear it everywhere in the game, I would gladly pay for it, and I'm sure I'm not alone...
Parsecs were actually a matter of time not dis-- wait, wrong argument.
They were distance...but the comment stands, since by making the Kessel Run via a shorter distance a shorter period of time passed...thus shorter and faster.
It is amazing how bent out of shape they get when you disagree with them.
Course not...it's the internet...perverts are a dime for ten dozen.
Actually I set the santa clause thing up during the Christmas as a joke...
IF you think I'm a child, you're cute.
Now, let's be realistic here, you're one of those people who think a woman should dress modestly to avoid being *****. So you are of a culture that is outdated, blaming the woman for it simply because she dresses a bit... casually.
I'm of the newer generation, who by the way has been adults for a decade at the least... where we're teaching people that it's us, ourselves who decide if others should be objectified or not based on their appearance. Meaning, we take responsibility for our actions. We don't blame others. It has NEVER been the girl's fault, no matter how trashy she dressed. So let's look at this from a progressive point of view. Censorship has a negative impact on society. I don't particularly care how the people here dress. It's just a game. If they dress like people do on public beaches, that's fine. It's not pornography.
For those who scream "She's wearing a skimpy bathing suit, the boys will get off on it! it's bad bad bad!", I merely point to the beaches, to TV and say "what about those places?" You cannot censor, but you can teach others to respect women, no matter what they wear.
Now calm down and relax. If it's causing you problems, then go see a therapist and talk about it. It's nothing to be ashamed of.
As if they're saturated beneath the woes of some lifelong tragedy that they've had to endure each day since plopping out the womb...to lash out at anybody that disagrees with them in the least, with all the hysteric fury one would expect from some horrible melodrama on Lifetime.
It can be entertaining at times, but in general it's generally tedious.
Then sum up Star Trek in a single picture.
Can't be done can it?
Adventure, science fiction, fanservice, sexy outfits, torn clothes, fistfights, moral commentary, product, merchandise, vision, marketing, inspiration, fantasy, imagination, horror, exploration, story, character, progressive, family, friendship, heroics, bravery, cowardice, sadness, joy, humor, wonder, a Trek through the Stars.
Star Trek is all of these things.
This picture doesn't need any context. It's the ******n USS Enterprise. Wherever it's going it's going there boldly. That's what it always does. Is any single screenshot, episode, comic, novel, fanart, or fanfiction indicative of Star Trek as a whole? Don't be silly of course not. :rolleyes:
Saying we should exclude the fanservice is like saying we should exclude all of TNG! TNG certainly doesn't represent Star Trek "as a whole". :P
Just because there's creepy fanfiction doesn't mean we should shun the practice as a whole, and just because there will be idiots with the customization system doesn't mean you should take a crapper on the rest of us.
If there is one thing I want you to take seriously, it's this: When you see an Orion, or a Character wearing the Be'ves, or the Cropped Winter Jackets, or going shirtless, or covered head to toe in armor, it's not your Star Trek. It's their Star Trek. And you don't deserve the right to dictate that to them.
I would post what Tera's thinks are outfits are but I don't want to be banned. Pretty sure STO does not need to take ideas from that game.
Think if some folks spent a wee bit more time talking to their therapists and less time logging into a video game to drool over scantily clad characters...