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Borg STFs win Undine Fail
jellico1
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Been watching the Que numbers morning noon and night
More people play ISE than all of the new undine content combined add in KASE and its even worse.............just add up the numbers
I know cryptic can see these metric's
I dont think players like mind numbing respawns of undine
I dont think players like poor rewards verses the time invested in a mission and the undine missions are WAY too long for the tiny reward you get
There are a lot of other problems with the undine missions as well making them unpopular
undine content ............Fail until improved
More people play ISE than all of the new undine content combined add in KASE and its even worse.............just add up the numbers
I know cryptic can see these metric's
I dont think players like mind numbing respawns of undine
I dont think players like poor rewards verses the time invested in a mission and the undine missions are WAY too long for the tiny reward you get
There are a lot of other problems with the undine missions as well making them unpopular
undine content ............Fail until improved
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
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It's only a fail, because a large majority of the player base, cannot think outside of the targeting reticle.
Anything that requires some thought besides mindless destruction of countless enemies, obviously is to much for some people to compute in brain power.
So they continuously fail, and inevitably give up.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
You cannot just zerg the Undine like you can Borg.
That's because ISE is easy.
People with limited time to grind do what they are used to.
Undine missions are artificially TOO LONG.
They are TOO spammy.
And bottom line the Undine rep is just a MAJOR MEH
Add that with the fact that the current rep changes provide no incentive to do the Undine system - outside a tiny few phaser/disruptor builds - it's just a waste of time.
I am doing it on 1 toon of 30:eek:
Too long? I guess missions are bad if they take more than 5 minutes to beat.
This...
Simple math:
Even on elite I didn't get more then 40 marks out of Undine missions.
75 on borg missions
Even Elite Undine does not reward any dillithium.
960 from borg missions.
They take longer...
Why again should we play them more then once a day for the package?
Also I feel like those missions are not really polished yet.
I mean having to adapt to some new tactics... of course thats part of the game... even part of the fun.
But with the Kumari and the Fed allied scimitar there is CONSTANTLY something that keeps me from moving, be it one of those anomalies or some fluidic bubble TRIBBLE. It seems to much to me.
The KDF chars at least can subspace jump out of there now and then.
Well yes and no.
I am all for story missions that are long and content rich.
I am not for repetitive and long - pew pew missions.
plus the rewards are like 2/3 at most of the other missions that take 1/10th the time
undine content is easy............................just spam BfaW
next respawn...............................................BfaW
3 or 4 cruisers doing this just melts the mobs
its just so many respawns makes it easy boring and takes a long time
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
I have observed and received feedback from very experienced players that its not STF quality.
The STF's have objectives combined with groups of enemies that make it fun.
Undine Marks
So if you agree with the OP run ground it's faster, easier, and much more fun than Undine space.
I did the Undine space battle zone - it was pretty decent with a lot of people active - good rewards - it does fool a few people that don't realise that if you want the big rewards - you have to WAIT after killing the planet killers for the Voth fleet to show up - then spend 5 min killing waves of Voth ships.
That Voth 5 min forced thing after killing the 3 planet killers is a very irritating addition and should be removed imo.
Well I like long missions. Especially long team missions.
But they should reward properly, something (more) that cryptic continuously fails to balance. If I get more out of 3,5 minutes infected then out of 45 minutes unidne assault... something is definitely off.
Borg drones spawned and spawned until you took out the nodes.
Then the next group did the same, two hours later most of your group left.
The ground STFs were changed because people didn't like the respawns.
It really looks like people don't like the space version either.
They didn't respawn, they just couldn't be killed and only were disabled and recovered until we killed the nodes.
My point is still the same no fun then, no fun in space now.
Romulans that are in a Romulan ship have a free singularity jump that will get you out of it, and doesn't even use a console slot. It just won't put you behind the enemy you have targeted. This can be good if there is a swarm behind the enemy you have targeted. Also, adding power to engines might help with some builds, or having an engine battery. Though the batteries do have a long cool down.
Even if you don't have an A2B build, it might be useful to have at least one of this skill, if you can give up something for it. The extra power it dumps into engines might help you pull out of their hold, at the same time increasing shield and weapons power to boot.
Know why you keep having to respawn? It is because you think you can DPS everything down, you need heals and suppport.
pretty simple stuff
The cryptic team should play the missions themselves and add rewards accordingly
Its a No Brainer
and 1000 dilithium should be taken away from the 3 planet killers reward and put back into the zone flipping......thats where the work is at
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
I'll probably try it a few more times to grant it the benefit of the doubt, but the level of challenge offered borders on exercises in futility, and it feels pretty unrewarding. In a way, the Undine events are probably the most challenging in the game right now, but give TRIBBLE rewards compared to the Borg STFs.
My romulan fleet ar'kif anti-proton dual heavy cannon build seems to have a hard time due to how mobile the Undine zergs are, my science characters cannot cluster the undine together efficiently with GravWell3 (with 150+ points in Graviton generators). The undine's swarming tactics just also happen to make it really hard to make an organized offensive against them; it eventually just devolves in a furball fight that doesn't seem to ever end.
The only character I have enjoying a certain amount of success against Undine is my Fed Tac captain in her Fleet Avenger BFaW A2B build. Fire at Will deals rather handily with the way Undine try to spread out and overwhelm; furball or not, they will still die.
Well I have an a2b odysee which is the ship working best in that instances.
TBH I didn't think of the singularity jump yet... but I don't think it will help much. The console gets you behind your enemy... the sing. power jumps you somewhere, probably into another bubble... and probably not far away enough from that anomalies.
But I'll try.
And most of my ships have very high engine power... only my D'Kyr lacks in that area... I don't recognize a difference.
But the main problem, as has been pointed out, is the rewards. I noticed this with the Romulan missions like Azure. The amounts of marks awarded and the absence of dilithium just make them far worse to do for the amount of time invested.
I dont see where the OP asked for your opioion on how to do mission with mega DPS.
Now all self declared elitist, if you really all that good and can do the mission with ease.
Your saying your better and smarter than most players.
So what's best for the community of people who are not at your level( that's what your saying)
To keep a mission where only the best enjoy it or change it for average player who is looking for fun.
Rewards
Still don't see people doing this even it gives out uber rewards.
The old original ground STFs did and people still quite and didn't do them.
This thread needs to address the needs of the many that out weigh the needs of the few.
Undine Assault is not fun.
Undine Infiltration is fun, if you play with people who have brains and don't just quarantine everyone.
In every case, the rewards are just too low. VCE and UAE give ~57 marks for a good run, while UIE gave, like 30? come on.
it would still take a very long time because its Gated
much longer than any STF
However in a pug this isnt going to happen...We all know this already
the number of undine need to be cut drastcally and beefed up
undine should be much stronger than the borg
Not weak Zerg's
Normal shoud be set up for pugs..
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Cryptic, please buff GW3. Thank you.
At least the Borg STF's and the Crystaline Entity reward you with actual loot as well, and sometimes they are pretty good drops.
The old grind for loot type mechanic really needs to be brought back, with drop only items that are good enough to be an incentive to grind.
Its a formula that works real well, which is why the vast majority of MMO's use it.
If people have a coveted rare drop to hunt down in addition to the rep, then the rep grind won't end up feeling as much of a chore, and will give people something else to think about than just leveling up.
That is true about the singularity jump. I did forget it could put you in one. Lol. To be honest, I use A2B now, even when I am running cannons on my Scimitar. And I am running it with beam arrays on my Breen raider from the winter event. Since I am hitting A2B so much, I don't have many problems with being pulled in, till their weapons knock my butt back into it after I get out. Lol.
I got about 6km from one, and a group of the Undine kept hitting me till they knocked me back into it. Every time I pulled out, they would fly in front of me and start knocking me back into it. Though it was frustrating, it is good to see the AI do something intelligent, even if it was not intended. Lol.