Rumors say that the next Lockbox contains Mirrior Intrepids and Novas.
I must be more careful making lose remarks. I made a remark about a bronze bat'leth (as in trashy quality) and it became a full blown and "proven" fact in the days before the First Contact mission details were confirmed.
Now i mentioned that i would not mind a mirror-intrepid and now i see it has been taken a few steps further.
Or perhaps i should start as the resident STO oracle.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
The Intrepid Class is one of my best sci ships in the game. O.o I do crazy high dps and tank like non other. Not to mention the boff seating is perfect for me.
Not sure where you got your information, but it sure wasn't by using the ship.
The console adds 900 to resistance ratings - it does not make you "invincible". Even in the show where you see it (here), 1 Borg cube took the armour down to 97% in 2 hits, 3 cubes worked it down to 50%
There is a huge difference between damage resistance and being invincible.
I have been killed, in mirror elite, more than once, with my armour up by a quantum spread.
It's the worst TRIBBLE in the game. Just bought it. Instant regret.
WTF?
-NO pulse cannons?
Nowhere in the C-store description does it say that it can mount dual cannons.
-Armor is only 15 sec? that's 150% worthless.
If you would go to the wiki before buying ships, you would know this already.
-The tv show explicetly states intrepid was designed for combat... with 2 tac consoles? only 3 for the fleet? seriously?
It clearly states this on the ship purchase screen.
-The HP on this ship is so low that it alone is reason enough not to fly this ship.
It clearly states this on the ship purchase screen.
-no emh feature?
This is not mentioned on the ship purchase screen.
If it didnt look like voyager, this ship would be worthless in game. This ship really needs a reboot..
ps: my gal x is amazing. thx. do that magic again!!
I can kind of understand the disappointment with the console (I never use it on mine), but you really should do more research on ships before you purchase them.
It's funny that the OP started this thread and never came back....... not that it stopped anyone from arguing.
Do a search on the name, the OP has a habit of starting threads with unusual, over the top comments.
And, while my personal opinion of those doing that looks rather unfavourably on them (aka Troll thread making) - you cannot ignore the results the OP gets. They do start a variety of topics that go on to be some interesting and entertaining threads.
Beats all the "doom", "I quit" and "OMGWTF!*!** why dont I insta gib everyone" style threads we see a lot.
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I may not have flown a T5 Intrepid, but I did fly the standard one and had fun with it. Then I switched to the Luna, which has more of a tactical lean but can still science things. Currently flying a Vesta with my Luna's build on her on my Sci characters.
Any ship can work, you just need the right setup, BOff skills, and know your ship. I once took part in a PvP thing between my fleet and the Pony fleet. I was flying a PvE build Sovereign at the time... and I survived against a pretty powerful D'Kora. This was before I upgraded to the Regent refit. The T5 Intrepid can work as well as a Vesta if you got her set up right.
The Intrepid's Ablative Armor Generator console is a panic button skill, just like the Vesta's ubershield or a couple of the Romulan Singularity powers.
While the intrepid is a sub-standard ship for t5, I have to admit, the belleraphon parts really make the model look good. ablative armor should have an unlimited timer. the no-energy weapons handicap is more than enough balance for it.
If they simply added an extra tac console it would be a legit ship. For now, its a novelty.
Even the fleet version isnt great- i have to have a t5 shipyard, or bribe someone into giving me access to one to get it, dispite having all the intrepid c-store unlocks. thats silly.
In Ensign Harry Kim's quarters, Harry plays his clarinet while Lieutenant jg Tom Paris sits on a nearby couch reading a book. They are both content until someone pounds on the wall opposite Kim's. As Kim yells an apology, Paris observes that Ensign Pablo Baytart must not appreciate music. Kim seems annoyed as he explains that the fluid conduits running through the walls conduct the sound of his clarinet; however, Paris counters by pointing out that the USS Voyager was built for combat performance, not musical performance.
No it doesn't. The Context to me is fairly clear here. The Conduits, which has a military intent to them (thwe Voyager like ALL Starfleet ships is designed to fill a "secondary military role" in the voyager's case, presumably that of a heavy frigate/light cruiser. speeding ahead of the main task force as a scout capable of handling itself, or serving as an escort to a newer cruiser. remember the intrepid is part of the same generation of ships as the Sovvy.)
which makes those stats you listed fairly unimportant. the 4 torpedo tubes is pretty small actually when you consider the Enterprise D had about the same number of phasers (remember older ship) and while it only had two torpedo launchers, those launchers where capable of a MUCH higher rate of fire. And we know the Enterprise wasn't intended to be a warship.
The tri-colbalt device is NOT standard on Federation ships. However the Voyager was on it's first mission on a "short duration combat assignment" so may have been equipped with them for that.
No one's saying the Intrepid isn't a capable combat ship. it is. but it is NOT a "defiant warship"
I have no issue with using the Intrepid class..... mostly because I know how to use science ships. I think the OP doesn't play science ships and is trying to cast blame upon cryptic unjustly.
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And as capemike4 has proven, the Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit, aka T5 Nebula, is also a very capable platform.
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But seriously, do not underestimate the defensive power of a Fleet Nebula Retrofit...finally got mine over 50,000 hull with the one of the Tier 4 Nukara space traits I just unlocked, yesterday...it's got pitiful DPS(based on a few after-action reports from friends, I average it out to around 1,600 DPS at -best-), but it was capable of standing off 3 Mirror Typhoons, destroying one before a friend arrived to help, and does quite well, healing and repairing allies...I'm quite happy with it!
But seriously, do not underestimate the defensive power of a Fleet Nebula Retrofit...finally got mine over 50,000 hull with the one of the Tier 4 Nukara space traits I just unlocked, yesterday...it's got pitiful DPS(based on a few after-action reports from friends, I average it out to around 1,600 DPS at -best-), but it was capable of standing off 3 Mirror Typhoons, destroying one before a friend arrived to help, and does quite well, healing and repairing allies...I'm quite happy with it!
Hehe, I use a Nebula with the original Borg set. that thing tanks like there's no tomorrow. Never tried parseing it. But it can do a LOT with gravwells alone.
Why does a sci ship need more then 3 tact consoles? -.- Also why do people think voyagers a war ship, it wasnt in the show and its sure as hell not in the game...its specifically says science vessal with a 3/3 layout and sub targeting
That's just it...I've got Grav Well(II, I think?) along with Tyken's Rift, and the hitting power of a Gravimetric Photon Torp launcher up front and the Breen Transphasic Cluster Launcher in back(with 2 Tetryon Beam Arrays in front and back)...it somehow doesn't add up to much as far as 'over time' DPS goes, but the Breen Transphasic alone can deal massive damage in spikes, if the minelets all crit....
Starting to think some of us should organize a Nebula support group, like the Galaxy and Gal-X fans did....
Since when was Voyager armed with pulse cannons? Since we never saw them fire such weapons, we're left to assume it wasn't armed with such things.
I believe that the Warship Voyager had pulse cannons, but I'm not 100% sure. Even if the Warship Voyager did have pulse cannons, it was only a holographic representation of the real Voyager.
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dunno what show he watched but the intrepid was not a combat ship. it had phases and a light armament of photons and tricolobolt witch they used the only 2 they had to blow up the space station in the second part of the first ep. in the game assuming its the c-store one the ablative generator can save you in a pinch.
I believe that the Warship Voyager had pulse cannons, but I'm not 100% sure. Even if the Warship Voyager did have pulse cannons, it was only a holographic representation of the real Voyager.
TBH the T5 intrepid really needs some kind of set where the ablative armor has a toggle where it has a set of hit points to where when it runs out the armor dissolves and can be retoggled as long as there is health to it. Its just one of those things like the b'rel and other ships that haven't been developed like others out there since they came out which was like over 3 years ago.
(...) Any ship can work, you just need the right setup, BOff skills, and know your ship. (...)
Well-said. In fact, I just finished "Surface Tension" (Season 9 Featured Episode), plus "Where Angels Fear to Tread" missions in a Bellerphon-class starship (like the Intrepid) with a Tac toon. No complaints, lots of fun!
But I understand the arguments about the ship.
Going back to the OP's original post, I have a different take on the topic:
I'm more disappointed that a new Intrepid-class ship packwasn't released with Season 9. I would have liked new interiors, plus some new variations (e.g. some new devices; the addition of a hangar bay for a Delta Flyer; keeping the ship as a SCI vessel; maybe the inclusion of a special Holographic SCI BOff or DOff, depending on purchasing one ship or a pack of ships.
(I realize those suggestions aren't popular ones. But Cryptic is probably restricted to what they can do to the Intrepid-class (U.S.S. Voyager), due to the TV show/licensing agreement with CBS.)
Maybe we'll see an Intrepid C-Store offer during a future update (August 2014?) with the return of VOY's Harry Kim (as mentioned in actor Garrett Wang's Twitter feed: https://twitter.com/garrettrwang/status/456900243158605824 ) If I were Cryptic, that's when I'd release it. After all, we're due for another Tim Russ/Tuvok appearance, too.
TBH the T5 intrepid really needs some kind of set where the ablative armor has a toggle where it has a set of hit points to where when it runs out the armor dissolves and can be retoggled as long as there is health to it. Its just one of those things like the b'rel and other ships that haven't been developed like others out there since they came out which was like over 3 years ago.
The Intrepid is one of the most heavily Science leaning Science Vessels in the game. If you're into SCI abilities and know how to be effective, these kinds of ships are good. If you're daydreaming of the Intrepid being some sort of Escort, or the next USS Enterprise, or you have no clue on proper Science play, then you have no business in the Intrepid, Vesta, or any Science-heavy Vessel. Science abilities take far more knowledge of the game than, "CRF/CSV/FAW/BO + Attack Pattern and call it a day."
For the KDF, a similar example is the Veranus. Pure Science Vessel, mediocre TAC & ENG abilities. Very few KDF play such vessels, but I love the ship. In pure support, it is absolutely wonderful. With basic TAC abilities and heavy SCI use, I can quickly deal with masses of NPCs still. Or maybe go heavy Drain Build, esp. in conjunction with the KDF's Aceton Assimilator? You can shut TAC Cubes down.
Anyways, if you have no idea what you're doing with Science, you have no business playing Science Vessels (or even most Carriers, the majority of which are very Science heavy).
TBH the T5 intrepid really needs some kind of set where the ablative armor has a toggle where it has a set of hit points to where when it runs out the armor dissolves and can be retoggled as long as there is health to it. Its just one of those things like the b'rel and other ships that haven't been developed like others out there since they came out which was like over 3 years ago.
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Seems to me that the OP's main problem is that he/she failed to do any research on what they were buying. He/she wanted a ship that does big DPS. He got a VERY capable sci ship.
A little research would have yeilded that the Tactical Vesta, or the Fleet Nova (having tactical leaninggs) would have been a better choice.
Although I will agree that the Ablative console isn't all that great. Fifteen seoncds isn't very long and the cooldown is too long. And the drop-dead worst thing? It takes shields offline to deploy - NOT helpful when you're under heavy fire (the circumstance in which it SHOULD be most useful).
Even as a tactical captain I have fun in my Fleet Intrepid. Of course I don't expect to be able to kill things as fast as my more tactically oriented cruisers, but it's certainly no slouch in the damage department either as long as you treat it like it is, a science ship. Also can make a pretty good tank as well.
But yes, if you're looking for a more tactically oriented science ships, there are better ones that this.
I'm currently working on a drain build in my Intrepid. While the damage is low compared to my defiant, the intrepid is absolutely devastating in its own way. Some well lined up Boff abilities can completely pull the pants down on a tac cube allowing the escorts to zip in and have their way. (how's that for imagery :P)
And having enough boff stations to also throw a few heals is always nice.
The intrepid is a great non-gimmicky science vessel that does what it's supposed to do.
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I fly a T5 Intrepid and enjoy it quite a bit with my Engineering toon. I have it set up as a blended torpedo boat/healer. The new Undine Rep set giving a damage bonus to Photon torps as well as giving a new and fairly powerful torp just makes me enjoy it all the more. I use the Photonic Shockwave and Emission Seeking consoles to give me alternate fire modes coupled with the Adapted MACO set for torpedo damage bonus.
2 Spire Photon Torp consoles + 2/4 Undine Rep set bonus (Tac console and torp) + Adapted MACO space set makes for a painful punch on a ship with great shields and a bottomless well of healing options for itself or allies. Couple that with torps and mines not requiring power for weapons setting and you can syphon your weapons power to shields or aux.
On a Tac toon you can stack Attack Pattern Alpha and Fire on my mark to this equation as well. It might not be a DPS machine but its a great ship to have with you for a team in PvE and fairly useful in PvP as well.
A lot of people underestimate the flexability Photon Torpedoes have. They might not be extremely powerful, but you do have a lot of different versions at your disposal. The grivitic torps from the Dyson set count as Photon Torps for example
"Why all the sales"?
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
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It's the worst TRIBBLE in the game. Just bought it. Instant regret.
WTF?
-NO pulse cannons?
-Armor is only 15 sec? that's 150% worthless.
-The tv show explicetly states intrepid was designed for combat... with 2 tac consoles? only 3 for the fleet? seriously?
-The HP on this ship is so low that it alone is reason enough not to fly this ship.
-no emh feature?
If it didnt look like voyager, this ship would be worthless in game. This ship really needs a reboot..
ps: my gal x is amazing. thx. do that magic again!!
You selected a federation ship
You are soposed to be the other races Tank....healer .....and target
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
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I got it to try it out, albiet by mistake(thought it was a RA level ship). Found it isn't a bad ship, but it's no vesta for damn sure.
Just wish the ablative armor worked on other ships like my vesta.
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I must be more careful making lose remarks. I made a remark about a bronze bat'leth (as in trashy quality) and it became a full blown and "proven" fact in the days before the First Contact mission details were confirmed.
Now i mentioned that i would not mind a mirror-intrepid and now i see it has been taken a few steps further.
Or perhaps i should start as the resident STO oracle.
Not sure where you got your information, but it sure wasn't by using the ship.
The console adds 900 to resistance ratings - it does not make you "invincible". Even in the show where you see it (here), 1 Borg cube took the armour down to 97% in 2 hits, 3 cubes worked it down to 50%
There is a huge difference between damage resistance and being invincible.
I have been killed, in mirror elite, more than once, with my armour up by a quantum spread.
I can kind of understand the disappointment with the console (I never use it on mine), but you really should do more research on ships before you purchase them.
I bet you that my intrepid could take your gal x anyday
Do a search on the name, the OP has a habit of starting threads with unusual, over the top comments.
And, while my personal opinion of those doing that looks rather unfavourably on them (aka Troll thread making) - you cannot ignore the results the OP gets. They do start a variety of topics that go on to be some interesting and entertaining threads.
Beats all the "doom", "I quit" and "OMGWTF!*!** why dont I insta gib everyone" style threads we see a lot.
Any ship can work, you just need the right setup, BOff skills, and know your ship. I once took part in a PvP thing between my fleet and the Pony fleet. I was flying a PvE build Sovereign at the time... and I survived against a pretty powerful D'Kora. This was before I upgraded to the Regent refit. The T5 Intrepid can work as well as a Vesta if you got her set up right.
The Intrepid's Ablative Armor Generator console is a panic button skill, just like the Vesta's ubershield or a couple of the Romulan Singularity powers.
If they simply added an extra tac console it would be a legit ship. For now, its a novelty.
Even the fleet version isnt great- i have to have a t5 shipyard, or bribe someone into giving me access to one to get it, dispite having all the intrepid c-store unlocks. thats silly.
No it doesn't. The Context to me is fairly clear here. The Conduits, which has a military intent to them (thwe Voyager like ALL Starfleet ships is designed to fill a "secondary military role" in the voyager's case, presumably that of a heavy frigate/light cruiser. speeding ahead of the main task force as a scout capable of handling itself, or serving as an escort to a newer cruiser. remember the intrepid is part of the same generation of ships as the Sovvy.)
which makes those stats you listed fairly unimportant. the 4 torpedo tubes is pretty small actually when you consider the Enterprise D had about the same number of phasers (remember older ship) and while it only had two torpedo launchers, those launchers where capable of a MUCH higher rate of fire. And we know the Enterprise wasn't intended to be a warship.
The tri-colbalt device is NOT standard on Federation ships. However the Voyager was on it's first mission on a "short duration combat assignment" so may have been equipped with them for that.
No one's saying the Intrepid isn't a capable combat ship. it is. but it is NOT a "defiant warship"
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But seriously, do not underestimate the defensive power of a Fleet Nebula Retrofit...finally got mine over 50,000 hull with the one of the Tier 4 Nukara space traits I just unlocked, yesterday...it's got pitiful DPS(based on a few after-action reports from friends, I average it out to around 1,600 DPS at -best-), but it was capable of standing off 3 Mirror Typhoons, destroying one before a friend arrived to help, and does quite well, healing and repairing allies...I'm quite happy with it!
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That's just it...I've got Grav Well(II, I think?) along with Tyken's Rift, and the hitting power of a Gravimetric Photon Torp launcher up front and the Breen Transphasic Cluster Launcher in back(with 2 Tetryon Beam Arrays in front and back)...it somehow doesn't add up to much as far as 'over time' DPS goes, but the Breen Transphasic alone can deal massive damage in spikes, if the minelets all crit....
Starting to think some of us should organize a Nebula support group, like the Galaxy and Gal-X fans did....
I believe that the Warship Voyager had pulse cannons, but I'm not 100% sure. Even if the Warship Voyager did have pulse cannons, it was only a holographic representation of the real Voyager.
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I stand corrected. As I mentioned, I wasn't 100% sure, so I appricate you correcting me on that.
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Well-said. In fact, I just finished "Surface Tension" (Season 9 Featured Episode), plus "Where Angels Fear to Tread" missions in a Bellerphon-class starship (like the Intrepid) with a Tac toon. No complaints, lots of fun!
But I understand the arguments about the ship.
Going back to the OP's original post, I have a different take on the topic:
I'm more disappointed that a new Intrepid-class ship pack wasn't released with Season 9. I would have liked new interiors, plus some new variations (e.g. some new devices; the addition of a hangar bay for a Delta Flyer; keeping the ship as a SCI vessel; maybe the inclusion of a special Holographic SCI BOff or DOff, depending on purchasing one ship or a pack of ships.
(I realize those suggestions aren't popular ones. But Cryptic is probably restricted to what they can do to the Intrepid-class (U.S.S. Voyager), due to the TV show/licensing agreement with CBS.)
Maybe we'll see an Intrepid C-Store offer during a future update (August 2014?) with the return of VOY's Harry Kim (as mentioned in actor Garrett Wang's Twitter feed: https://twitter.com/garrettrwang/status/456900243158605824 ) If I were Cryptic, that's when I'd release it. After all, we're due for another Tim Russ/Tuvok appearance, too.
I can dream, right?
For the KDF, a similar example is the Veranus. Pure Science Vessel, mediocre TAC & ENG abilities. Very few KDF play such vessels, but I love the ship. In pure support, it is absolutely wonderful. With basic TAC abilities and heavy SCI use, I can quickly deal with masses of NPCs still. Or maybe go heavy Drain Build, esp. in conjunction with the KDF's Aceton Assimilator? You can shut TAC Cubes down.
Anyways, if you have no idea what you're doing with Science, you have no business playing Science Vessels (or even most Carriers, the majority of which are very Science heavy).
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But yes, if you're looking for a more tactically oriented science ships, there are better ones that this.
And having enough boff stations to also throw a few heals is always nice.
The intrepid is a great non-gimmicky science vessel that does what it's supposed to do.
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but i cant say anything for intrepid because i dont own it but its boff layout is more science like.
I flew an Intrepid until I picked up the Vesta pack. I loved my Intrepid and am still thinking about a fleet version at some point.
2 Spire Photon Torp consoles + 2/4 Undine Rep set bonus (Tac console and torp) + Adapted MACO space set makes for a painful punch on a ship with great shields and a bottomless well of healing options for itself or allies. Couple that with torps and mines not requiring power for weapons setting and you can syphon your weapons power to shields or aux.
On a Tac toon you can stack Attack Pattern Alpha and Fire on my mark to this equation as well. It might not be a DPS machine but its a great ship to have with you for a team in PvE and fairly useful in PvP as well.
A lot of people underestimate the flexability Photon Torpedoes have. They might not be extremely powerful, but you do have a lot of different versions at your disposal. The grivitic torps from the Dyson set count as Photon Torps for example
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
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You selected a federation ship
You are soposed to be the other races Tank....healer .....and target
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Just wish the ablative armor worked on other ships like my vesta.
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