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Ok seen about what 10 threads on this and on a few threads some have gigantic egos and a chip on their sholder. Seeming to think they have a right to have the game their way and it should go back and they are losing all of this.
Wake up and realize something. Every single one of us signed that EULA/TOS to play this game. Ya know that box that popped up when you first started playing and most I am SURE just clicked X than hit ok without even bothering to read it.
Basically first line in ANY EULA/TOS in ANY gaming company on ANY game is that the owning company owns this game lock stock and barrel and can make any change at ANY time and are not responsible for handing out restitution.
Face it guys, you were offered ZERO gaarantee at things would stay as they were and you were infact warned that it could change at anytime and PWE or any other gaming company can do so as they see fit regardless of what we players say and or think.
I mean Veterans are throwing around how long they have been here and yadda yadda yadda. So what. GAMING COMPANIES DO NOT CARE. All they care about is $$$. So what if 500 people walk off this game. Be 500 more suckers with open wallets that PWE can suck dry.
Something many of you just need to get through your skulls and past that GIGANTIC ego. GAMING COMPANIES DO NOT CARE NOR WILL THEY. It's not just PWE. EA, Big Point, Wargamming, pick a gaming company. I've had to make this argument on gaming forums time and again.
You can either keep throwing temper tantrums and think the gaming company is going to take you seriously(which they won't), quit the game(which they won't care about), or suck it up and keep playing(which again the gaming company won'lt give two craps about, but it only benefits you).
Them are your options. Also, be advised none of us own a damn thing. Do we own liscencing? Tittles or any other mumbo jumbo. We OWN NOTHING.
You can all deal with this immoable fact, or you can all stop playing online games and stick to consoles. But hell, even consoles are moving this way.
Welcome to the new world, either deal with it, or stop playing online games.
Wake up and realize something. Every single one of us signed that EULA/TOS to play this game. Ya know that box that popped up when you first started playing and most I am SURE just clicked X than hit ok without even bothering to read it.
Basically first line in ANY EULA/TOS in ANY gaming company on ANY game is that the owning company owns this game lock stock and barrel and can make any change at ANY time and are not responsible for handing out restitution.
Face it guys, you were offered ZERO gaarantee at things would stay as they were and you were infact warned that it could change at anytime and PWE or any other gaming company can do so as they see fit regardless of what we players say and or think.
I mean Veterans are throwing around how long they have been here and yadda yadda yadda. So what. GAMING COMPANIES DO NOT CARE. All they care about is $$$. So what if 500 people walk off this game. Be 500 more suckers with open wallets that PWE can suck dry.
Something many of you just need to get through your skulls and past that GIGANTIC ego. GAMING COMPANIES DO NOT CARE NOR WILL THEY. It's not just PWE. EA, Big Point, Wargamming, pick a gaming company. I've had to make this argument on gaming forums time and again.
You can either keep throwing temper tantrums and think the gaming company is going to take you seriously(which they won't), quit the game(which they won't care about), or suck it up and keep playing(which again the gaming company won'lt give two craps about, but it only benefits you).
Them are your options. Also, be advised none of us own a damn thing. Do we own liscencing? Tittles or any other mumbo jumbo. We OWN NOTHING.
You can all deal with this immoable fact, or you can all stop playing online games and stick to consoles. But hell, even consoles are moving this way.
Welcome to the new world, either deal with it, or stop playing online games.
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No point in ever voting because the government always get in.
Visits to doctors are futile because everyone dies in the end.
And washing the dishes has been declared a waste of time due to the fact they just get dirty again.
Not going to lie, I laughed. Heartily.
If anything the people aggravation with Cryptic will flow into every Star Trek Online gaming review article, Podcast, and forum.
Since people don't want to hear me here I even expressed some feelings on some other places and will continue to do so.
http://priorityonepodcast.com/po170/
http://priorityonepodcast.com/trek-or-die-mister-worf-activate-hard-mode/
Reviews I found
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/star-trek-online
http://www.nowgamer.com/pc/pc-reviews/1209335/star_trek_online_f2p_review.html
My work here is done......:)
Far s the government, well they supposedly represent us but don't, most are rich people who don't give a hoot about the middle and lower class obama care is proof of that.
I mean I did get a grin on this but seriously what are these temper tantrums going to solve? Nothing they are a small tempest PWE will weather then not a thing will be done.
I like the analogies, but that's apples and oranges friend.
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Yes they care about losing A LOT of customers. 1s and 2s and maybe 10 people here and there in the grand scheme of things do not bother gaming companies. Players come and go more frequently than the tide. That's just the nature of the beast.
Now a mass leaving like thousands at once, that will get their attention. Heavily doubt that's going to happen so they do not care.
And those e-mails those are auto generated to try and get you to come back and spend money. They really don't care if you personally do.
See this is what I am talking about right here. That a multi-billion dollar company is going to give two craps about 1 single solitary player going elsewhere. That's just you're ego talking.
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They've got more chance of getting things changed than being quiet and accepting it.
Cryptic won't - and shouldn't - reverse their position, but some people will feel better for taking a stand against this perceived tyranny. Let them have their five minutes of fame. Their posts will be long forgotten soon.
It's not tyranny when you signed your rights away to play the game pal. Called what ya do when you click that little X button on TOS/EULA. That's the point I'm making. In this case it literally is futile.
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Yes but as you pointed out, most people didn't even read the TOS/EULA.
Hence why they don't realise that what's happening isn't actually tyranny.
Quite true friend, this is why I am attempting to educate the people granted a bit irrate about it and a bit of low slap stick humor, but needless to say, why I am trying to get their attention.
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Well, putting aside the political point, my intention was to parody your op.
You seem to be basically arguing that helplessness is inevitable.
Philosophically speaking, I can't accept that.......and neither can my inner starship captain.
If there's one thing I've learned from star trek, it's that you don't have to accept the options others choose for you.
I do not accept your original point that we, as individuals, can have no influence on the game.
But the users also have the right to petition Cryptic to act within certain bounds. And Cryptic may heed the advice in those petitions in the interests of community happiness and customer satisfaction.
Well, community happiness is a long shot... especially around these parts.
Put on your fire retardant underwear everyone:eek:
We can influence the game yes. I'm not saying do not try to actively and supportively try to influence the game. Making threads and giving ideas is one thing.
Having a hissy fit about a change that is already happened and basically spewing vile TRIBBLE around, that's something different.
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There is a caveat to that though.
Players are not quite the same thing as customers in an FTP environment
Customers spend money, players don't have to.
If we lose one customer but gain ten non paying players, we are not better off....we are worse off.
And the thing about veterans is that, pretty much by dint of being veterans, they are likely to open their wallets.
Not saying that it should be all about the veterans, just saying that writing them off is not a risk free gambit.
As a company Cryptic can do what it wants with it's provided product, however in the end CBS makes the calls on the contents of said product. This basically makes it a rather odd precedent that EULA because CBS doesn't necessarily has it's views contained within. We could argue that point to the infinite but no one save for CBS/Cryptic (or PWE now?) knows the fine prints. I'm saying that if something were to happen, people could argue that the EULA they signed doesn't necessarily reflect the entire product that we've been offered. It's a grey area to say the least.
That being said, there's no assurance that within 2 years Cryptic will still have the Star Trek CBS licence. I've been keeping tabs on licences changing hands recently and noticed there's a few other powerhouses showing interest in gaining the Star Trek licence. Every so often the licence that STO is now based on goes up for... well I suppose you could call it "auction" then. Companies bid on it, highest bidder with best terms wins and is allowed to do whatever the heck they want with it as long as CBS is ok with it.
many of your "vets"(not counting me in) mostly only claim things cryptic kinda "promised" to them over 4 years
(and are some of the best QA assistance a company could ever wish to have btw; by today a lot of those "vets" sadly already left
... of course always with the "subject to change"-label and the tos in the back. whatever, they talked a lot of things and barely any of em happened...
u may check the wiki f.e. for the "upcoming content" section and have a look on the references... and if ya even more investigative u may search for a certain forum-member, i think it's havoc, who has some nice links in his sig to places like "cryptics history with pvp". and be assured threads on exploration, crafting or whatsoever probably are around the same age and size (i assume
no offense mate, i just want to point on to may keep that simple fact in mind
Not all anger is a hissy fit, and not all of the unhappy people's points are vile TRIBBLE.
There are things in this new season that are either badly explained or, in a substantial portion of the player bases view, just wrong.
Expressing such opinions are equally valid as those who see no issue.
Telling our fellow players that criticism is utterly pointless is, also in my view, both wrong and short sighted.
Just as is telling people not to vote because the government always gets in.
Telling people to go gently into the night is worse than telling people not to go gently.
I'd rather see speech, as opposed to silence.
Yeah why cannot i have my own avatar for the forums what is this apostrophe or something
something us lowly forum ensigns are being stifled of are creativity something. Maybe they are all following after EA or something like ubisoft uhm what. Yeah bill gates is a quitter.
None of this means that existing customers should be ignored, that would be bad business. Both are important, one is just more important than the other. Especially with MMOs.
So with MMOs if a change is ultimately meant to be beneficial to new players, it will largely go through whether existing players like it or not with the calculated risk that what your changing is not going to be enough for you to lose a significant number of existing players. And the complaints about the change to the rep system doesn't seem to be enough to cause enough people to quit that this will likely be reversed. Updated, maybe.
I've got more Nomex on than someone driving a Ferrari around the Nurburgring.
Think of it in terms of DPS.
To cover all the bases you want both spike and pressure DPS.
New customers are spike, and veterans pressure.
Don't think I'd say either is more important than the other. I think we need both equally.
To be fair, I'm actually highly encouraged by how respectfully people have made their contending points so far.