hey there are some raiders that where missed. Romulan ones, T'Lis, T'Varo and T'Varo retro. these are all raider class ships (though they get classed as warbirds just because they are rommy ships) canonically they are Romulan Birds of Prey and as such are raiders. they even have the cloak function so why are they getting missed out?
hey there are some raiders that where missed. Romulan ones, T'Lis, T'Varo and T'Varo retro. these are all raider class ships (though they get classed as warbirds just because they are rommy ships) canonically they are Romulan Birds of Prey and as such are raiders. they even have the cloak function so why are they getting missed out?
hey there are some raiders that where missed. Romulan ones, T'Lis, T'Varo and T'Varo retro. these are all raider class ships (though they get classed as warbirds just because they are rommy ships) canonically they are Romulan Birds of Prey and as such are raiders. they even have the cloak function so why are they getting missed out?
becose SOME people believe ther are to op :rolleyes:
Stats would have to be bumped to make it a Corvette. Lol, stats would have to be bumped to make it a Raider...a Destroyer...an Escort...anything. Heavy Shuttle? :P
Stats would have to be bumped to make it a Corvette. Lol, stats would have to be bumped to make it a Raider...a Destroyer...an Escort...anything. Heavy Shuttle? :P
Stats would have to be bumped to make it a Corvette. Lol, stats would have to be bumped to make it a Raider...a Destroyer...an Escort...anything. Heavy Shuttle? :P
So I was really hoping that a total revamp of the Aquarius would be fixed. Like give it the advanced battle cloak and the flanking bonus for starters. Almost nobody uses it and its supposed to be an extremely experimental ship. Don't call it raiding call it flanking bonus as the Odyssey takes point. It makes sense and is probably how the two would function in combat.
I would also add a cloak to them as the dreadnought and the defiant both have it. I think we are past the whole treaty argument with so many ships being able to equip it in the federation.
What I am trying to do here is to make an irrelevant ship into a plausible ship. While you are at it plz make fleet version of the vulcan ship also.
The Aquarius is not a Raider. I think we can all agree on that point. Would it be nice to have the flanking ability of Raiders? Sure, but Cryptic is never going to do that. As Raiding seems to not be a Federation thing in their mind.
However, the Aquarius is also not a Destroyer. Not with the current way Cryptic has Destroyers. Destroyers are able to switch from one means to the next and the Aquarius doesn't do that either. There's no modifications to it.
This leaves us with it being an Escort and be like the Defiant (Tactical Retrofit Escort). Yet, it has less weapons, inertia, turn rate, shields and hull. Its less than that. This wouldn't be a problem if it had something to compensate, but it doesn't.
So that leaves it being a ship without much of a purpose. Which means Cryptic probably never should've brought it out, even if a lot of people were wanting one. At least not until its purpose was thought out.
If you look at it and its function it seems like it should be the fastest and most maneuverable "ship" in the game.
Why would the Odyssey need it? Because there's a target too fast or maneuverable for the full ship to reliably combat. So send out the smaller ship to either engage it in a dog fight or drive it back within the main ship's weapon's range.
As a stand alone ship the logic of it evaporates. It isn't a substantial enough starship to do anything more than run down second rate pirate ships in a star system while the mother ship conducts official business with a local planetary government. In all honesty it isn't an underpowered escort, raider, or a destroyer.
It is in fact an overgrown and overpowered Captain's Yacht, Aeroshuttle, or Runabout.
It is currently the worst of the ships in this game, when it should in fact be the Scimitar of small craft.
It should never have been sold as a separate starship. Everyone who bought the Odyssey with the Tactical console should've gotten an Aquarius SUPER small craft with it for free. I'm sure some of those guys who were able to do Elite STFs in shuttles can make the Aquarius do wonders, but on the whole it's shuttle underdog trying to be a real ship. When the design of the ship is in fact a PART of a real ship.
It's a beautiful adaptation of a great Perpetual Design, but as it is, it really should be expected to be a fully worthy standalone starship. If it is going to be used at all it should be a lightning striker a harassing ship with little hope of actually bringing down anything more than a Bird of Prey or an enemy raider alone. Fast as all get out, and hard to pun down, but not actually a ship that can deal the finishing blow.
An alternative option would've been a solution like the different versions of the Prometheus Multi-Vector Assault Mode. You have the choice of either flying the saucer, stardrive section, or Aquarius. That way you can actually aim the Dual Heavy cannons, and benefit from the main ship healing you while you go on a CRF CSV tear through your enemies.
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Why do people care about the Aquarius all of a sudden?
Birds of Prey finally get a buff to compensate for the fact the Romulans completely surpassed them - which has long been a source of consternation for so many players, and yet all most people seem to do is pick and scratch at a frankly minor point. People seem to look for a dark cloud in every silver lining.
The Aquarius probably shouldn't be a T5 ship in the first place. It is a pet.
Why do people care about the Aquarius all of a sudden?
It's not all of a sudden...and in the past couple of days it's come up in other threads...so with them mentioning it in the Blog (yes, Cryptic brought it up themselves) - why wouldn't folks be talking about it?
We can all argue what the Aquarius should be, I also dont think its a BoP but at the same time they really need to design the ship stats based on what it should be based on the Federation shipyard and being the Aquarius console pet (otherwise they would slap a hangar on it) and not on a KDF Bird-of-Prey.
I dont think we would have this conversation if they havent brought the Aquarius up only to almost say "the ship sucks", that is not part of the Raider line (that is not even much of a suprise) and then say they arent even looking at the ship when they put a T4 Shipyard unlock with a 200k FC/29k FC + 4 FM price on it.
The fact the ship sucks isnt new, the fact the ship is not a Raider as Cryptic call it is also inst new ... the fact they apparently know and dont care is also unlikely to come as a shock either but telling us about it is adding insult to injury.
The fact the ship sucks isnt new, the fact the ship is not a Raider as Cryptic call it is also inst new ... the fact they apparently know and dont care is also unlikely to come as a shock either but telling us about it is adding insult to injury.
LOL, wow how many times on the forums to people scream that Cryptic acknowledge there is a problem with something, and here they do, and now it's an insult...this is why they don't talk to us as much anymore.
When I heard the news that they admitted the Aquarius was terrible and had no plans on fixing it I had my top men invent a table perfectly designed for maximum table flippage! This data has outraged the emperor!. Seriously though they might as well put a warning in the aquarius' description that says "WARNING Terible Ship we're not going to update it anytime soon, buy at your own risk!".
It occurs to me that the term escort is used inappropriately in the game, we often see escort ships what are they escorting?
how about a new mechanic where the Aquarius games in increased effectiveness from beings and range of carrier commands & cruiser commands? Have it recieve an increased buff from nearby cruisers.
If you trace the term back to early to mid 20th century then you will see that many types of ships were escorts, to include escort carriers, but the most well known were destroyer escorts which are now known as frigates. :eek:
As for the Aquarius, it is no escort and should either be called a corvette (another type of raider) or be reclassed as a runabout (shuttle). :rolleyes:
When I heard the news that they admitted the Aquarius was terrible and had no plans on fixing it I had my top men invent a table perfectly designed for maximum table flippage! This data has outraged the emperor!. Seriously though they might as well put a warning in the aquarius' description that says "WARNING Terible Ship we're not going to update it anytime soon, buy at your own risk!".
Which is why I never considered and have no plans to ever buy this cruddy ship.:P
And that's your problem right there. That's the root of all the complaints about cloakers in this game, imho. People want to detect cloaked ships without bothering to invest anything in stealth detection in any possible way.
It's a behavior that is deteriorating the quality of the game - why adapt, learn or sacrifice sth. when they could just come to the forum and say "X is OP, plz nerf!". (not adressing this at you personally questerius, just a general impression I've been getting from this forum lately)
Ignorance of the game mechanics is a big problem but it is not entirely the fault of the players.
One big part of the problem is the lack of a way to find info on various aspects of the game. Where does a new player go to find info on if the Human Leadership trait stacks or has diminishing returns? Cryptic doesn't provide any sort of tutorial on how to use the skill tree (I wrote one for my fleet), so if you're new to the game it can be very confusing to get used to it. Providing better explanations to how these and other items affect game play would be helpful to a lot of folks.
Another big one is the community itself. I can't tell you how many times I've seen STO vets just rip someone apart because they dare to ask a "noob" question in Zone Chat, it seems as though asking for help is a STO mortal sin. Try observing Wheaton's Law "Don't Be a ****", if you don't want to help then say nothing or point newer players to sources of help (STOwiki, the skill planner, forums, etc.). We were all new to MMO's and Star Trek Online at some point and needed help, some of got help while others did not. Being a jerk will only chase people away from playing this game.
The next piece is, as you say, the player himself. After you've been given the ability to figure the game out it up to you to make it work for yourself. You can be given the best ship, gear, and weapons but if you don't take the time to learn how to use those weapons and practice with them then you won't find success.
Lastly, you can only spec or gear for a limited amount of skills, if you put points into Starship Sensors or buy consoles to boost the skill, then you're losing out in other skills or filling valuable slots. It's easy to say to put together a stealth detection build but it's really not is it? You have to really plan to make a decent build, then gather gear, finish or change rep systems, wait for fleet provisions, buy respec tokens, and then have to make changes after a new patch.
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This and this alone is the point the KDF are making ..
The STF has one crappy ship while the KDF have alot of crappy ships and cause the KDF get a cure for half their ships the Feds are crying foul ?
And if anyone wants to respond then don't forget how neglected the KDF where while the Feds got ships , consoles *which KDF paid for with real money* and various other things you Feds got ...
Stop whining and let the KDF have something unique again.
This and this alone is the point the KDF are making ..
The STF has one crappy ship while the KDF have alot of crappy ships and cause the KDF get a cure for half their ships the Feds are crying foul ?
And if anyone wants to respond then don't forget how neglected the KDF where while the Feds got ships , consoles *which KDF paid for with real money* and various other things you Feds got ...
Stop whining and let the KDF have something unique again.
Pretty pathetic isn't it? A dozen pages so far filled with a ton of federation complaints about 1 ship after the Klingon's have been neglected and stabbed in the back for years. The Klingons probably see 1/10 (if that) of the same amount of attention as the feds, the one time we get it everything is called OP and unfair.
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well they were on something lol
What difficulties?
Because they are not Raiders.
becose SOME people believe ther are to op :rolleyes:
Stats would have to be bumped to make it a Corvette. Lol, stats would have to be bumped to make it a Raider...a Destroyer...an Escort...anything. Heavy Shuttle? :P
THAT'S the term I was looking for
LOL, this actually fits with its story purpose: an attack pod that is launched from a gargantuan command cruiser...
I would also add a cloak to them as the dreadnought and the defiant both have it. I think we are past the whole treaty argument with so many ships being able to equip it in the federation.
What I am trying to do here is to make an irrelevant ship into a plausible ship. While you are at it plz make fleet version of the vulcan ship also.
Auxillary light heavy shuttle raider escort destroyer - corvette type
Fin.
I gotta admit the Scim did flank the HELL out of the Enterprise-E.
If you look at it and its function it seems like it should be the fastest and most maneuverable "ship" in the game.
Why would the Odyssey need it? Because there's a target too fast or maneuverable for the full ship to reliably combat. So send out the smaller ship to either engage it in a dog fight or drive it back within the main ship's weapon's range.
As a stand alone ship the logic of it evaporates. It isn't a substantial enough starship to do anything more than run down second rate pirate ships in a star system while the mother ship conducts official business with a local planetary government. In all honesty it isn't an underpowered escort, raider, or a destroyer.
It is in fact an overgrown and overpowered Captain's Yacht, Aeroshuttle, or Runabout.
It is currently the worst of the ships in this game, when it should in fact be the Scimitar of small craft.
It should never have been sold as a separate starship. Everyone who bought the Odyssey with the Tactical console should've gotten an Aquarius SUPER small craft with it for free. I'm sure some of those guys who were able to do Elite STFs in shuttles can make the Aquarius do wonders, but on the whole it's shuttle underdog trying to be a real ship. When the design of the ship is in fact a PART of a real ship.
It's a beautiful adaptation of a great Perpetual Design, but as it is, it really should be expected to be a fully worthy standalone starship. If it is going to be used at all it should be a lightning striker a harassing ship with little hope of actually bringing down anything more than a Bird of Prey or an enemy raider alone. Fast as all get out, and hard to pun down, but not actually a ship that can deal the finishing blow.
An alternative option would've been a solution like the different versions of the Prometheus Multi-Vector Assault Mode. You have the choice of either flying the saucer, stardrive section, or Aquarius. That way you can actually aim the Dual Heavy cannons, and benefit from the main ship healing you while you go on a CRF CSV tear through your enemies.
Birds of Prey finally get a buff to compensate for the fact the Romulans completely surpassed them - which has long been a source of consternation for so many players, and yet all most people seem to do is pick and scratch at a frankly minor point. People seem to look for a dark cloud in every silver lining.
The Aquarius probably shouldn't be a T5 ship in the first place. It is a pet.
It's not all of a sudden...and in the past couple of days it's come up in other threads...so with them mentioning it in the Blog (yes, Cryptic brought it up themselves) - why wouldn't folks be talking about it?
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LOL, wow how many times on the forums to people scream that Cryptic acknowledge there is a problem with something, and here they do, and now it's an insult...this is why they don't talk to us as much anymore.
If you trace the term back to early to mid 20th century then you will see that many types of ships were escorts, to include escort carriers, but the most well known were destroyer escorts which are now known as frigates. :eek:
As for the Aquarius, it is no escort and should either be called a corvette (another type of raider) or be reclassed as a runabout (shuttle). :rolleyes:
Which is why I never considered and have no plans to ever buy this cruddy ship.:P
Ignorance of the game mechanics is a big problem but it is not entirely the fault of the players.
One big part of the problem is the lack of a way to find info on various aspects of the game. Where does a new player go to find info on if the Human Leadership trait stacks or has diminishing returns? Cryptic doesn't provide any sort of tutorial on how to use the skill tree (I wrote one for my fleet), so if you're new to the game it can be very confusing to get used to it. Providing better explanations to how these and other items affect game play would be helpful to a lot of folks.
Another big one is the community itself. I can't tell you how many times I've seen STO vets just rip someone apart because they dare to ask a "noob" question in Zone Chat, it seems as though asking for help is a STO mortal sin. Try observing Wheaton's Law "Don't Be a ****", if you don't want to help then say nothing or point newer players to sources of help (STOwiki, the skill planner, forums, etc.). We were all new to MMO's and Star Trek Online at some point and needed help, some of got help while others did not. Being a jerk will only chase people away from playing this game.
The next piece is, as you say, the player himself. After you've been given the ability to figure the game out it up to you to make it work for yourself. You can be given the best ship, gear, and weapons but if you don't take the time to learn how to use those weapons and practice with them then you won't find success.
Lastly, you can only spec or gear for a limited amount of skills, if you put points into Starship Sensors or buy consoles to boost the skill, then you're losing out in other skills or filling valuable slots. It's easy to say to put together a stealth detection build but it's really not is it? You have to really plan to make a decent build, then gather gear, finish or change rep systems, wait for fleet provisions, buy respec tokens, and then have to make changes after a new patch.
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This and this alone is the point the KDF are making ..
The STF has one crappy ship while the KDF have alot of crappy ships and cause the KDF get a cure for half their ships the Feds are crying foul ?
And if anyone wants to respond then don't forget how neglected the KDF where while the Feds got ships , consoles *which KDF paid for with real money* and various other things you Feds got ...
Stop whining and let the KDF have something unique again.
Pretty pathetic isn't it? A dozen pages so far filled with a ton of federation complaints about 1 ship after the Klingon's have been neglected and stabbed in the back for years. The Klingons probably see 1/10 (if that) of the same amount of attention as the feds, the one time we get it everything is called OP and unfair.
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