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Season 9 Dev Blog #14: Raider/Flanking Improvements

pwecaptainsmirkpwecaptainsmirk Member Posts: 1,167 Arc User
edited February 2015 in Galactic News Network [PC]
Phil "Gorngonzolla" Zeleski, Systems Designer, reveals details about the new improvements to the flanking damage output for Raider class vessels in this latest entry of the Season 9 News Dev Blog series.

Make sure to read up to find out how powerful your sneak attacks can be with a little stealth, and a lot of moxy!


Link to the blog.

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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Now we just need science arrays to be installed on science ships.
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  • rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Inb4 Minimax blows a heart valve of joy
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  • sekritagentsekritagent Member Posts: 510 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Glad I bought the Hegh'ta on all my KDF toons as their Level 40 ship! :D

    Since it's got universal seating, a Mirror version wouldn't make sense, unlike the Vo'quv, Qin, Negh'var, etc.

    I'm not happy with my Torpedo build on my B'rel-R though, it just isn't enough boom-boom-pow for me. Might try it again after these fixes.

    I think the Romulan T'varo and possibly Dhelan/Dhael should have been considered, but with the SRO stacking and Singularity nonsense they're probably as op as they need to be.
    Delta Rising is the best expansion ever and the players love it! No, seriously! ...Why are you laughing so hard? :(
  • smokeybacon90smokeybacon90 Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    The Aquarius is potentially the most crapped-on ship in the game. It has all the weaknesses of a Raider and none of the strengths. Why does it even exist? It is outclassed in every single aspect by something else.
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  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited April 2014
    pwecaptainsmirk wrote: »
    Phil "Gorngonzolla" Zeleski, Systems Designer, reveals details about the new improvements to the flanking damage output for Raider class vessels in this latest entry of the Season 9 News Dev Blog series.

    Make sure to read up to find out how powerful your sneak attacks can be with a little stealth, and a lot of moxy!


    Link to the blog.

    ~CaptainSmirk

    How do you flank Armor ?

    How do you flank a round shield ?

    My Fed characxters Demand 3 masts with sails be installed on there starships so this new ..Flanking damage they are about to recieve is more realistic

    just saying .......................................
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  • talgeezetalgeeze Member Posts: 198 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    Now we just need science arrays to be installed on science ships.

    Tribble files shows secondary deflector icons, so they're coming as the Dev Blog about Dyson Destroyers stated it, but no official announcement has been made yet.
  • sekritagentsekritagent Member Posts: 510 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Actually one of the devs has already said Science Secondary Deflectors won't ship at Season 9 launch but will be put in as soon as they're ready. Check the Dev Tracker.
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  • suavekssuaveks Member Posts: 1,736 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Many players feel that the Aquarius is a Raider. It does share some similarities between one: some universal seating, 4/2 weapons and reduced hull. It however lacks Cloaking and was never designed to be a Raider. It is considered to be an Escort or Destroyer. Whether it lives up to this ship class’ expectations is a separate discussion. I think most of us can agree that it doesn’t. However, there are no plans at this time to improve this particular starship.
    No money in balancing out the starships you sell, eh Cryptic?

    Just finished listening to PriorityOne interview with Geko, saying pretty much the same thing. I'm really starting to hate this kind of attitude.

    "Yeah, those Fleet ships suck. Go buy the OP scimitar, vesta or sci oddy instead".


    Also, it's kind of sad to see the Ch'tang on the screenshot when there is no Fleet variant of this ship available at the endgame...
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  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    You guys NEED to reconsider on the Aquarius front. It *IS* a raider in most player's eyes. It makes no sense to keep it out.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Wooo hoooo! Finally, it has been a long time comming!

    Qapla'!
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  • gooddaytodie39gooddaytodie39 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Developer man, can you please give us specifics as to what the actual flanking dmg. increase against players will be and what the actual ambush bonus will be?
  • startrekronstartrekron Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Am I missing something? The majority of the ships on this list are already powerful enough, they come in cloaked, fully buffed, and can often take targets out in one volley. The proposed changes here will only make it worse, PVP (IMO) will be a bloodbath in favor the KDF.
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  • lan451lan451 Member Posts: 3,386 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    lol

    "We know that the Aquarius sucks, but we aren't going to do anything about it. lololololol!"

    Oh and uh, good stuff on the raider buff. That's cool.
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  • tehjoneltehjonel Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    so basically i wasted 4 fsm on a fleet aquarius destroyer that's gimp...?

    gg cryptic. gg.
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  • zathri83zathri83 Member Posts: 514 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Sooo, when are we getting a dev blog about pvp being deleted? :)
  • divvydavedivvydave Member Posts: 184 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    No plans to improve the Aquarius, bit of a bummer :(
  • sirboulevardsirboulevard Member Posts: 722 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    " I think most of us can agree that it doesn’t. However, there are no plans at this time to improve this particular starship."


    So basically "balance" is something that pretty much used as excuse them?

    No, if you listened to Geko's interview on Priority One the Aquarius was pretty much added to the game playable as an after thought. When the Odyssey first came out people kept asking for a playable Aquarius but it wasn't on their radar really (neither the Aquarius or the Ho'Sus were planned to be playable). When the Fleet system came around they added the Aquarius in because they already had all the assets for it and people were still asking for it.

    That said, I agree the Aquarius is *NOT* a raider. Thats just not in line with Starfleet. Its meant to be a support ship so I say the Aquarius should get some level of support-craft abilities. Perhaps the Shield and Tactical Cruiser Commands + the flanking damage bonus? Its not gonna do alot of damage compared to other escorts but it would make it more of a DPS-er with Support Powers.
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  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Many players feel that the Aquarius is a Raider. It does share some similarities between one: some universal seating, 4/2 weapons and reduced hull. It however lacks Cloaking and was never designed to be a Raider

    The Plesh Brek also lacks cloaking, and was the lead ship for raider flanking.

    I have to ask: if it was meant to be an escort or destroyer, why does it have the same raider negatives as the Plesh Brek (hull and loadout) but not the same raider advantages (flanking)?


    I'm pretty much fine with it being an escort, but as it is right now, it's not an escort. It's basically what the Danube used to be before The Vault made it useful - a thing you could buy and then occasionally notice it in your ship list while you changed between ships that weren't it. The only difference is that it's tier 5 and not tier 1, but Aquarius vs. Defiant now is a pretty similar comparison to Danube vs. Miranda then.
  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jellico1 wrote: »

    How Do You Flank Armor ?

    How Do You Flank A Round Shield ?

    Just Saying .......................................


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  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    One thing not mentioned was that it was stated in some interviews that one of them might get 5 fore weapons. So is that not going to happen or just not mentioned yet... If I do end up coming back its probally going to be just for bops lol.

    I do agree with some though the b'rel-R doesn't have enough bang for the buck not sure how this will address it though since shield tanking pretty much is a counter to its EBC mode.
  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    jellico1 wrote: »

    How do you flank Armor ?

    How do you flank a round shield ?

    just saying .......................................

    The stern of most combat sea vessels is more vulnerable to attack than the bow, and while the front end of top of the line tanks are nearly impenetrable except by highly specialized weapons, the tops and backs are frequently vulnerable to light rockets.

    In both cases, one side is full of components that can't be fully enclosed (propellers, exhaust, access hatches, etc) and one is meant to be pointed at the enemy and is just guns and armor. There are variations, as well - WWII era battleships were more vulnerable on the bow than the sides, but every machine has weak points, and in a game, they're usually given the same blanket weak point for mechanical clarity and ease of balance.
  • macklin01macklin01 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    startrekron wrote: »
    Am I missing something? The majority of the ships on this list are already powerful enough, they come in cloaked, fully buffed, and can often take targets out in one volley. The proposed changes here will only make it worse, PVP (IMO) will be a bloodbath in favor the KDF.

    I completely agree. Just spend 5 minutes in Ker'rat as Fed to see this ...
  • captaindurrellcaptaindurrell Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    the lack of Aquarius upgrades are sad.

    it got put in the game because a lot of people wanted to fly one(it's a REALLY cool ship) but at every turn, it gets indirectly nerfed, and NEVER buffed.

    Can i ask why? I love my aquarius, it moves like no tomorrow... but while i paid for one on one toon, i just can't justify buying another for my other fed, regardless of my love for it, as it isn't worth it anymore.

    SOMETHING for it would really be nice
  • cookiecrookcookiecrook Member Posts: 4,543 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    It only took you guys how long to figure out a gimmick to offset the nerf to Bird's of Prey years ago?! Long overdue!
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  • rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    macklin01 wrote: »
    I completely agree. Just spend 5 minutes in Ker'rat as Fed to see this ...

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  • finsches123finsches123 Member Posts: 158 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Nice! I have been waiting for this. Can we get a number for the bonus in PvP please?

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  • ak255ak255 Member Posts: 317 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    So the Aquarias isn't getting an upgrade because it doesn't have a cloaking device like the other ships getting the upgrade?

    In other words: the more powerful ships are getting an upgrade in order to kill the ships that NEED the upgrade instead but aren't getting it.
  • startrekronstartrekron Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    zeuxidemus001 wrote: »
    One thing not mentioned was that it was stated in some interviews that one of them might get 5 fore weapons. So is that not going to happen or just not mentioned yet... If I do end up coming back its probally going to be just for bops lol.

    I do agree with some though the b'rel-R doesn't have enough bang for the buck not sure how this will address it though since shield tanking pretty much is a counter to its EBC mode.

    You are joking right? B'rel ships are KDF vaper's choices, a good vap can take out most players in one attack.
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  • atalossataloss Member Posts: 563 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    zathri83 wrote: »
    Sooo, when are we getting a dev blog about pvp being deleted? :)

    Honestly I keep waiting for that. The way these ships are increasing in power every time. Fighting against another human player will be like having your teeth pulled without Novocaine.

    I personally stopped going to Ker'rat because of all the cloaked ships. It's like noting can decloak them and when they are decloaked for a second, you're already dead. The easiest thing would be to have a tier system for PVP, but obviously that won't bring in immediate money, so they ignore it and focus on lockbox ships and their prized cash cow,...the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship.
    One day Cryptic will be free from their Perfect World overlord. Until that day comes, they will continue to pamper the whales of this game, and ignore everyone that isn't a whale.
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