I am thinking a more edgier trek on cable. Space is cold and dark. The sunshiny back drop of Trek really does not cater well to people especially right now. Yes the bright shining future gives hope but some people want to see that there are others worse off than they are.
Hey I Used to be Captain Data, well I guess I still am in game but the account link really screwed everything up :rolleyes:
Maybe it is time for CBS to get off the IP. I'm sure the Sci Fi network(for all it's crudely acted/written/developed glory) would love to purchase it and have a flagship program to bring viewers to it's network.
As much as I would like to see Super Morn versus Mega Gorn, I think I'll pass on giving it to sci fy. :eek:
All these years later and it's still popular, doesn't sound like a failure to me :S enterprise... hmmm maybe.
That's a case of "You don't know what you have until it's gone".
When Voyager and Enterprise were running, the hardcore Trekkies constantly b*tched about them. And they cursed Rick Berman and Brannon Braga's names to the ninth level of hell.
In fact, the fanbase was part of the reason the franchise went into a coma, after Enterprise went off of the air.
I am thinking a more edgier trek on cable. Space is cold and dark. The sunshiny back drop of Trek really does not cater well to people especially right now. Yes the bright shining future gives hope but some people want to see that there are others worse off than they are.
I agree with this. Game of Thrones has shown that tv not based on advertising and not based on prime time considerations and all the rest of that TRIBBLE, can be extremely high quality, and very dark - and very popular and lucrative, as it can find its audience really quickly in this day and age.
Not that I think Trek should be ultra dark, it should ultimately be fairly optimistic, but if there were no invisible barriers to having elements of really dark stuff in a story, it would be great and could allow for tremendous storytelling possibilities, and the exploration of really weird alien cultures, etc., etc.
Well I watched TNG and DS9 regularly(the latter from the day it aired) and was a huge fan, but I never have, and don't think I ever will like Voyager, and unfortunately I didn't have access to Enterprise while it was on air, but I have watched them on Netflix now and I really liked that show. The way it portrayed human nature, and Humans not always being besties with Vulcans was an amazing foundation, and also the fact that basically everything was an unknown was great too. That's again why I think an Odyssey class show can be awesome, because the Odyssey(and Vesta I believe) are built for long distance, high speed travel, and it would open up new areas of the galaxy that are completely unexplored by humans.
Heard speculation at one time that there could be a CSI/NCIS type show set in the Star Trek universe without having to mess with continuity at all. A starbase on the frontlines of some alien border with lots of traffic, a group of MACO type folks maintaining the peace, with a few Section 31 individuals TRIBBLE with the politics of the situation. With similar kind of writing and episode structure as any of the other NCIS/CSI shows, we could be following drug/slave trafficing, political violence and corruption, starship sabotage and destruction, etc...
You'd have a show with any number of weekly rotating characters, each season introducing new or recurring characters, a set of 5-7 main people that could be taken or brought in from anywhere, with a set of deep-seeded story arcs with some major event going on or building up (could cross with STO in regards to the discovery of the Iconians and their involvement in government affairs)...
CM
"Equipped with his five senses, man explores the universe around him and calls the adventure science." - Edwin Hubble
There is actually a fan film producution called Star:Trek Renegades. As far as I'm concerned, Tim Russ (Tuvok) and some other star trek actors are involved in the project.
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Originally Posted by tacofangs I can develop the game just fine without visiting the forums.
On the Star Trek Destination Germany, Karl Urban (McKoy) also announced that the new Star Trek movie will be started to be shot at the end of this year.
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Originally Posted by tacofangs I can develop the game just fine without visiting the forums.
That's a case of "You don't know what you have until it's gone".
When Voyager and Enterprise were running, the hardcore Trekkies constantly b*tched about them. And they cursed Rick Berman and Brannon Braga's names to the ninth level of hell.
In fact, the fanbase was part of the reason the franchise went into a coma, after Enterprise went off of the air.
problem was voyager was just uninspired, and enterprise had potential but despite being a prequal they didn't treat it like one. they wasted a LOT of time and goodwill with their temporal cold war BS
"Old people don't watch Star Trek" doesn't mean don't market.
It means make a new series full of dark, angsty rubbish like that steaming pile remake of Battlestar Galactica and laugh your way to the bank.
PS- what the frak does this have to do with STO (nothing) and thus why is it not in Ten Forward where it belongs?
I already posted this, but maybe in another thread.....
Ten Forward is not for General Discussion!
"Ten Forward
- Introduce yourself, share fan art, fan fiction, and make friends here! Romulan Ale is still prohibited. The Captain's Table (RP) sub-forum can also be found here."
I already posted this, but maybe in another thread.....
Ten Forward is not for General Discussion!
"Ten Forward
- Introduce yourself, share fan art, fan fiction, and make friends here! Romulan Ale is still prohibited. The Captain's Table (RP) sub-forum can also be found here."
Selective Comprehension much?
Star Trek Online General Discussion
- This forum is for general discussion and feedback related to Star Trek Online.
you sir are changing the topic of this discussion, and trolling.
This topic was originally related to STO, Please read the first post by me. I suggested a TV show based on the Odyssey class Enterprise-F. If the Odyssey class ship isn't related to STO, then you don't know anything because that ship was made for this game specifically by a fan contest winner who played STO.
problem was voyager was just uninspired, and enterprise had potential but despite being a prequal they didn't treat it like one. they wasted a LOT of time and goodwill with their temporal cold war BS
Voyager tried too much to be like TNG story wise, in a situation where being more like DS9 would have made more sense story wise. Primarily the producers felt that a show you could just get into at any time was better than a show that required you to have watched previous episodes to get everything.
Enterprise started with the same premise for the first 2 seasons, and then switched to the second in the 3rd.
In Voyager there was some really not good writing. There are some really good episodes in there, and some of my favourite Trek is from that series, but there's also a lot of not good stuff as well that make it fall to third.
Enterprise I lost interest in Netflix at Season 2, and I've just never really like TOS as much as anything TNG+ timeline wise. Not a bad show, just not for me.
Voyager tried too much to be like TNG story wise, in a situation where being more like DS9 would have made more sense story wise. Primarily the producers felt that a show you could just get into at any time was better than a show that required you to have watched previous episodes to get everything.
Enterprise started with the same premise for the first 2 seasons, and then switched to the second in the 3rd.
In Voyager there was some really not good writing. There are some really good episodes in there, and some of my favourite Trek is from that series, but there's also a lot of not good stuff as well that make it fall to third.
Enterprise I lost interest in Netflix at Season 2, and I've just never really like TOS as much as anything TNG+ timeline wise. Not a bad show, just not for me.
According to producer interviews, Voyager being an episodic show that you can get into, while focused on exploration, was meant to go back to Star Trek roots - the original series, which followed the same pattern. By all objective measurements, it was successful, in both ratings and running length. DS9, on the other end of the spectrum, didn't do so well in both rating and longevity.
problem was voyager was just uninspired, and enterprise had potential but despite being a prequal they didn't treat it like one. they wasted a LOT of time and goodwill with their temporal cold war BS
Enterprise should have concentrated on the Earth-Romulan War instead of stuff that was featured more or less on other Star Trek series before (alien-of-the-week-drama ...). Voyager looked like it was intended to be the survival story of a starship somewhere far away from home but ultimately lacked everything to make such a story believable to the audience. Reversing almost everything that happened to crew and ship after each episode didn't really help. Also Neelix was a pain in the TRIBBLE.
For me at least, the difference between my love of DS9, and my hatred for Voyager has less to do with the foundation environment of the show, and more to do with the Actors/Characters.
I have been put off from Voyager since the first season, and though I've gone and watched the story arc episodes(borg) of Voyager, I cannot get over the terrible character design/bad acting.
Whereas DS9, I am completely enraptured with the characters, and the acting, with the exception I think of Dr. Bashir. I don't think I dislike any other characters much, and I absolutely love Sisko, Jadzia, Quark, Odo, Garak(my fave), Worf, Weyoun, Gul Dukat......
You get the point.
I am going to go ahead and make a random assumption that had the characters/actors been switched(voyager and DS9 crews) I think I would have liked Voyager more, and disliked DS9 more.
By all objective measurements, it was successful, in both ratings and running length. DS9, on the other end of the spectrum, didn't do so well in both rating and longevity.
Either way, just going around an exploring can be fun, but I think Voyager would have done better without the episodic mindset and more the serial mindset, largely due to where they were. Episodic made sense for TNG where if your ship gets trashed there's a place to go and fix it nearby. But this is just my opinion. I also personally prefer serial to episodic.
And none of this really matters to the OP at hand really. I doubt that CBS would do a Trek that involves a ship from STO, especially one that was originally fan made.
And none of this really matters to the OP at hand really. I doubt that CBS would do a Trek that involves a ship from STO, especially one that was originally fan made.
The way this game works, I didn't think CBS allowed anything unless it was considered canon appropriate, so I kinda thought the fact that they named an Odyssey class ship the Enterprise, it would be ok'd by CBS, and considered canon to the prime universe.
What part of "longevity" does DS9 fall short on? Or does that word just not mean what you think it means?
That's the problem with society today, people just use fancy-sounding words to make themselves seem more intelligent than they really are without learning what those words actually mean.
Shameful, really. We now live in a world where one of the definitions of "literally" is "figuratively."
Because god forbid CBS takes a chance with a long time successful franchise and instead greenlights every god awful odd couple rip off sitcom and over a dozen procedural cops shows and super edgy dramas that no one follows anyway.
NBC cancelled TOS. They would have cancelled it even sooner, had the first letter-writing campaign in history not convinced them to grant a temporary reprieve.
Network executives: few of them deserve their authority -- for that matter, "Administrators" in general ...
Technology isn't mysterious anymore - everyone is connected to it. Next Trek series needs to focus quite a bit on character development and story arcs which effect all the characters over time. And get a top-notch casting director so we don't end up with another Star Trek: "Enterprise" incident...
Technology isn't mysterious anymore - everyone is connected to it. Next Trek series needs to focus quite a bit on character development and story arcs which effect all the characters over time. And get a top-notch casting director so we don't end up with another Star Trek: "Enterprise" incident...
Pun intended.
That will require competent writers as well, don't forget.
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As much as I would like to see Super Morn versus Mega Gorn, I think I'll pass on giving it to sci fy. :eek:
That's a case of "You don't know what you have until it's gone".
When Voyager and Enterprise were running, the hardcore Trekkies constantly b*tched about them. And they cursed Rick Berman and Brannon Braga's names to the ninth level of hell.
In fact, the fanbase was part of the reason the franchise went into a coma, after Enterprise went off of the air.
I agree with this. Game of Thrones has shown that tv not based on advertising and not based on prime time considerations and all the rest of that TRIBBLE, can be extremely high quality, and very dark - and very popular and lucrative, as it can find its audience really quickly in this day and age.
Not that I think Trek should be ultra dark, it should ultimately be fairly optimistic, but if there were no invisible barriers to having elements of really dark stuff in a story, it would be great and could allow for tremendous storytelling possibilities, and the exploration of really weird alien cultures, etc., etc.
I thought WoW's forums had angry elitist snobs, but I never could have imagined the level STO forums has.
You'd have a show with any number of weekly rotating characters, each season introducing new or recurring characters, a set of 5-7 main people that could be taken or brought in from anywhere, with a set of deep-seeded story arcs with some major event going on or building up (could cross with STO in regards to the discovery of the Iconians and their involvement in government affairs)...
CM
Logic fail.
"Old people don't watch Star Trek" doesn't mean don't market.
It means make a new series full of dark, angsty rubbish like that steaming pile remake of Battlestar Galactica and laugh your way to the bank.
PS- what the frak does this have to do with STO (nothing) and thus why is it not in Ten Forward where it belongs?
CM
problem was voyager was just uninspired, and enterprise had potential but despite being a prequal they didn't treat it like one. they wasted a LOT of time and goodwill with their temporal cold war BS
I already posted this, but maybe in another thread.....
Ten Forward is not for General Discussion!
"Ten Forward
- Introduce yourself, share fan art, fan fiction, and make friends here! Romulan Ale is still prohibited. The Captain's Table (RP) sub-forum can also be found here."
I thought WoW's forums had angry elitist snobs, but I never could have imagined the level STO forums has.
Selective Comprehension much?
Note the red part. :rolleyes:
Literacy is OP, plz nerf.
This topic was originally related to STO, Please read the first post by me. I suggested a TV show based on the Odyssey class Enterprise-F. If the Odyssey class ship isn't related to STO, then you don't know anything because that ship was made for this game specifically by a fan contest winner who played STO.
Go find somewhere else to bother people.
I thought WoW's forums had angry elitist snobs, but I never could have imagined the level STO forums has.
Enterprise started with the same premise for the first 2 seasons, and then switched to the second in the 3rd.
In Voyager there was some really not good writing. There are some really good episodes in there, and some of my favourite Trek is from that series, but there's also a lot of not good stuff as well that make it fall to third.
Enterprise I lost interest in Netflix at Season 2, and I've just never really like TOS as much as anything TNG+ timeline wise. Not a bad show, just not for me.
According to producer interviews, Voyager being an episodic show that you can get into, while focused on exploration, was meant to go back to Star Trek roots - the original series, which followed the same pattern. By all objective measurements, it was successful, in both ratings and running length. DS9, on the other end of the spectrum, didn't do so well in both rating and longevity.
Enterprise should have concentrated on the Earth-Romulan War instead of stuff that was featured more or less on other Star Trek series before (alien-of-the-week-drama ...). Voyager looked like it was intended to be the survival story of a starship somewhere far away from home but ultimately lacked everything to make such a story believable to the audience. Reversing almost everything that happened to crew and ship after each episode didn't really help. Also Neelix was a pain in the TRIBBLE.
I have been put off from Voyager since the first season, and though I've gone and watched the story arc episodes(borg) of Voyager, I cannot get over the terrible character design/bad acting.
Whereas DS9, I am completely enraptured with the characters, and the acting, with the exception I think of Dr. Bashir. I don't think I dislike any other characters much, and I absolutely love Sisko, Jadzia, Quark, Odo, Garak(my fave), Worf, Weyoun, Gul Dukat......
You get the point.
I am going to go ahead and make a random assumption that had the characters/actors been switched(voyager and DS9 crews) I think I would have liked Voyager more, and disliked DS9 more.
I thought WoW's forums had angry elitist snobs, but I never could have imagined the level STO forums has.
Ratings maybe- longevity? Let's see...DS9, 7 seasons. Voyager, 7 seasons.
What part of "longevity" does DS9 fall short on?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/03/28/these-graphs-prove-star-trek-the-next-generation-is-better-than-the-original-series/
Either way, just going around an exploring can be fun, but I think Voyager would have done better without the episodic mindset and more the serial mindset, largely due to where they were. Episodic made sense for TNG where if your ship gets trashed there's a place to go and fix it nearby. But this is just my opinion. I also personally prefer serial to episodic.
And none of this really matters to the OP at hand really. I doubt that CBS would do a Trek that involves a ship from STO, especially one that was originally fan made.
The way this game works, I didn't think CBS allowed anything unless it was considered canon appropriate, so I kinda thought the fact that they named an Odyssey class ship the Enterprise, it would be ok'd by CBS, and considered canon to the prime universe.
I thought WoW's forums had angry elitist snobs, but I never could have imagined the level STO forums has.
That's the problem with society today, people just use fancy-sounding words to make themselves seem more intelligent than they really are without learning what those words actually mean.
Shameful, really. We now live in a world where one of the definitions of "literally" is "figuratively."
You know, CBS has a history of destroying highly-successful shows for whatever their own interests are.
So does every other television station.
NBC cancelled TOS. They would have cancelled it even sooner, had the first letter-writing campaign in history not convinced them to grant a temporary reprieve.
Network executives: few of them deserve their authority -- for that matter, "Administrators" in general ...
Pun intended.
That will require competent writers as well, don't forget.