i read a series of star trek books based arround the adventures of the starfleet corp of engineers (sce) they were realy good stories plenty of intrigue suspence weird alien tech and creatures and i thought it would make a first class tv series.
the sce stories are based arround where there might be some ancient deserted installation or derelict ship found and the sce are sent in to investigate backward engineer and sometimes recover any tech that can be used.
You could not put out a TNG - heavy dialoge or story show ever again and expect it to be successful - flash bang is the only thing that works.
Also what the heck is up with America - nothing new - every movie is a reboot or rehash of something done before.
You know True Detective just pretty much killed it with hype and follow through on hype in the American pop culture landscape right?
True Detective had practically no flash, and very little bang. It was dialog heavy. Extremely dialog heavy. And that was one of the things that gripped the television viewing audience.
Shows like Breaking Bad and Mad Men have helped redefine dramatic television. Not a whole lot of action overall in either.
You can definitely do dialog heavy television in the US.
That's going to be more of an action thriller espionage vibe than sci-fi. Like Days of Future Past, totally got that sci fi vibe going on. Chock full of it. But Winter Soldier? They even keep playing up how they wanted a 3 days of the condor feel and then got Redford in it. So I don't know. The story it's based on was really a spy thriller too. I guess the whole time dilation issue is sci-fi, but it's I don't know, just one detail.
Compare that to the Guardians of the Galaxy ... way more sci fi. Though Chris Pratt may do his best to take the edge of all that, heh.
Uh ...
I mean ok with Cap we can kind of maybe discuss some sci-fi aspects but I think it's a stretch. But the Hobbit? Why is that there on your list?
Well that is sort of my point on the Cap movie. Hollywood has been blending sci fi elements into everything lately. I think it has made the general population more accepting of sci fi in general. I mean if agents of shield had higher ratings I would say a Trek show would be a almost a given. Still I think they are doing that with a lot of these "geek" style themed movies. Rifting on stuff people are more familier with to suck them in. I mean go all the way back to Iron Man... no doubt both of us where in on that no matter. Would anyone have guessed how big it really was though... and at that point it wasn't just those of us that had Iron Man comic collections. lol
Guardians ya that one obviously super sci fi. Really though if Guardians does really well this summer... how much better do you think something like say Farscape would have done this fall instead of 1999 ?
The hobit... ya not sci fi... still it is popular and it is not CSI or the Voice. lol Not that a lotro tv show would work... just put it on there... Really the list I put up isn't mine I pulled those of lists from major movie critics. There are less movies on there list this year that aren't Super Hero / Hard Sci fi then are.
The problem is the attention span of the average American TV or movie viewer is getting shorter and shorter, hence most shows and movies have to rely more and more on special effects every few seconds or actors that don`t give out more than 1 line before switching to another.
No offense but this is an UTTER CROCK. Get off your 'average american has no attention span' soapbox that we've all heard before because it isn't even remotely true except in your imagination.
You know True Detective just pretty much killed it with hype and follow through on hype in the American pop culture landscape right?
True Detective had practically no flash, and very little bang. It was dialog heavy. Extremely dialog heavy. And that was one of the things that gripped the television viewing audience.
Shows like Breaking Bad and Mad Men have helped redefine dramatic television. Not a whole lot of action overall in either.
You can definitely do dialog heavy television in the US.
Well since the topic was Star trek - I was more referring to sci-fi
Part of the problem is that the IP is split. CBS retains the television rights, Paramount has the movie rights and in the crazy-stupid world of Hollywood never shall the twain meet without scads of legal wrangling. Which is fine by me, I don't want a JJ-Trek TV series.
The problem is the attention span of the average American TV or movie viewer is getting shorter and shorter, hence most shows and movies have to rely more and more on special effects every few seconds or actors that don`t give out more than 1 line before switching to another.
You could not put out a TNG - heavy dialoge or story show ever again and expect it to be successful - flash bang is the only thing that works.
Also what the heck is up with America - nothing new - every movie is a reboot or rehash of something done before.
No offense but this is an UTTER CROCK. Get off your 'average american has no attention span' soapbox that we've all heard before because it isn't even remotely true except in your imagination.
The problem is the attention span of the average American TV or movie viewer is getting shorter and shorter, hence most shows and movies have to rely more and more on special effects every few seconds or actors that don`t give out more than 1 line before switching to another.
You could not put out a TNG - heavy dialoge or story show ever again and expect it to be successful - flash bang is the only thing that works.
Also what the heck is up with America - nothing new - every movie is a reboot or rehash of something done before.
Breaking Bad would disagree...hell even the Walking Dead despite being about Zombies is Dialog heavy, and they are some of the top shows in the U.S right now.
I did, buddy. No offense, but you don't give the audience enough credit.
Also what the heck is up with America
Could easily be read and dismissed as a pointless bash post with no real insight.
people love breaking bads, go ape over true detective and it's archaic 'king in yellow' references, watch the hell out of their "Agents of SHIELD" chock full of silly sci fi stuff, or game of thrones and watch episode after episode loaded with dialogue and minor action sequences (or in the case of true detective, a grand total of TWO action sequences)
The problem is the attention span of the average American TV or movie viewer is getting shorter and shorter, hence most shows and movies have to rely more and more on special effects every few seconds or actors that don`t give out more than 1 line before switching to another.
You could not put out a TNG - heavy dialoge or story show ever again and expect it to be successful - flash bang is the only thing that works.
Also what the heck is up with America - nothing new - every movie is a reboot or rehash of something done before.
Not sure that is true. Look at all the great TV right now... that is both deep full of good acting (and attracting Big names like Spacey/Buscemi/Harrelson and his stoner buddy ect.
If anything I think the average TV viewer is telling the networks to take the fluff shows and stick them... not counting the always popular and stupid reality shows.
I am not saying they could go ahead and budget 10mil an episode for a trek show. Still if they get the right people involved they could easily hold a 1.5-2.0 rating with a quality trek show. That would more then pay for 6-7 seasons. They would also have to know that any trek show has years of residuals on Disc sales ect. Trek shows are long term investments. I think right now they could easily turn a profit equal to at least there average show... long term the Trek shows value goes way up though. If they manage to get 5+ years out of it... its an instant win in disc sales and syndication.
And what is wrong about my last comment about American movies lately just rehashing, redoing, rebooting - stuff that has been done before. Look at all the big ones and tell me the majority are not rehashed old stuff.
Not sure that is true. Look at all the great TV right now... that is both deep full of good acting (and attracting Big names like Spacey/Buscemi/Harrelson and his stoner buddy ect.
If anything I think the average TV viewer is telling the networks to take the fluff shows and stick them... not counting the always popular and stupid reality shows.
I am not saying they could go ahead and budget 10mil an episode for a trek show. Still if they get the right people involved they could easily hold a 1.5-2.0 rating with a quality trek show. That would more then pay for 6-7 seasons. They would also have to know that any trek show has years of residuals on Disc sales ect. Trek shows are long term investments. I think right now they could easily turn a profit equal to at least there average show... long term the Trek shows value goes way up though. If they manage to get 5+ years out of it... its an instant win in disc sales and syndication.
Well they are being ultra conservative on any of these shows that are `so good` - True Detective - never heard of it before - but see that it was just picked up for 8 episodes at first and now for a few more. Same happened to Walking dead. Not many networks want to make big bets upfront with new dramas.
And what is wrong about my last comment about American movies lately just rehashing, redoing, rebooting - stuff that has been done before. Look at all the big ones and tell me the majority are not rehashed old stuff.
what and derail the thread? None of us here were born yesterday. Sequels and sequelitis come and go, why blame americans or make up hyperbole about their viewing preferences?
anyway I think a trek show would do great. GREAT. But it needs to be tight. It needs writers who can whip the canon into shape. If you remember the show, due to the nature of it's writing, things 'canon' could change from episode to episode. Like now its technically 'canon' that if you go Warp 10 you devolve into some sort of lizard thing. It was stupid then and it's stupid now.
I don't think CBS will give anyone the reins to hammer down a canon and a storyline though... because, well, its CBS and they have proven themselves nothing if not spiteful. And in the end the fans can't even agree on what show they like - no matter what, at this point, people will be mad. See: JJ Trek, and soon Star Wars Episode VIII
what and derail the thread? None of us here were born yesterday. Sequels and sequelitis come and go, why blame americans or make up hyperbole about their viewing preferences?
anyway I think a trek show would do great. GREAT. But it needs to be tight. It needs writers who can whip the canon into shape. If you remember the show, due to the nature of it's writing, things 'canon' could change from episode to episode. Like now its technically 'canon' that if you go Warp 10 you devolve into some sort of lizard thing. It was stupid then and it's stupid now.
I don't think CBS will give anyone the reins to hammer down a canon and a storyline though... because, well, its CBS and they have proven themselves nothing if not spiteful. And in the end the fans can't even agree on what show they like - no matter what, at this point, people will be mad. See: JJ Trek, and soon Star Wars Episode VIII
Yes well you were picking out a line in a sentence that was referring to American Movies and responding to that sentence with a retort about some new American TV Dramas - not exactly fair.
Canon ment nothing for the successful JJ trek movies - lots of flash in your face is all - literally flash in your face - got to love that lens flare.
And what is wrong about my last comment about American movies lately just rehashing, redoing, rebooting - stuff that has been done before. Look at all the big ones and tell me the majority are not rehashed old stuff.
They have been doing that for years. When the sequal numbers started getting crazy they started just rebooting. I guess we are all stupid enough to go and watch things like;
spider man 9000 - Reboot X this time spidey is in darker blue and broods more.
Xman 9001 - Also known as Reboot 2 Volume 2.
Seriously though... this year has some interesting stuff coming that is just pure hard sci fi.
Transcendence and Interstellar both spring to mind. Cruise has a new hard sci fi flick coming to Edge of tomorrow, and it may not have been fantastic but last year he had Oblivion. Elysium last year to... a couple years back District 9 was well done as well.
And in the end the fans can't even agree on what show they like - no matter what, at this point, people will be mad. See: JJ Trek, and soon Star Wars Episode VIII
As true as this is, it is like this about everything all the time, and this statement does nothing to justify not having a new Trek show, but in fact lends credence to the need for a new one.
There will always be those who dislike something. It is the nature of Humanity that we are all different in some way or another. I personally used to LOVE World of ********, and ******** before it since the early 1990's, but when Blizzard ran in a direction of lore, game mechanics, etc that I didn't care for, I quit playing, but now I intend to put at least a little time into the newest expansion when it comes out.
There WILL be trekkies who don't like a new Star Trek show, and there WILL be new viewers, unfamiliar with Star Trek, who dislike it as well. But the rewards will outweigh the few who don't appreciate it, and they will go on with their lives.
I don't disagree, but the whole point was to seperate itself from regular trek - to not conflict with known canon but instead make their own.
and people got mad as hell anyway. tbh fans of big IPs like trek are their own worst enemy.
Anyway sci fi is always there, always loved by the audience... i actually think CBS is the big problem here.
True... I didn't hate JJ trek I'll admit it. I understand they couldn't do another next gen style movie. The only option was to go in a different direction and make sure everyone knew at all times that it was something different.
I think they would have to do pretty much the same thing with a new show... we couldn't get a 5 years after next gen style show or something that just picked up where we think it should be. The only option would be some sort of Voyager style premise or perhaps something that was very different and removed from what we know. I still think the Engineer corps could fit that bill if they didn't want to rehash voyager to much.
They have been doing that for years. When the sequal numbers started getting crazy they started just rebooting. I guess we are all stupid enough to go and watch things like;
spider man 9000 - Reboot X this time spidey is in darker blue and broods more.
Xman 9001 - Also known as Reboot 2 Volume 2.
Seriously though... this year has some interesting stuff coming that is just pure hard sci fi.
Transcendence and Interstellar both spring to mind. Cruise has a new hard sci fi flick coming to Edge of tomorrow, and it may not have been fantastic but last year he had Oblivion. Elysium last year to... a couple years back District 9 was well done as well.
I don`t like the trend I am seeing :
- reboot of stuff - check
- TV shows getting more violent and more bloody - check
And what is wrong about my last comment about American movies lately just rehashing, redoing, rebooting - stuff that has been done before. Look at all the big ones and tell me the majority are not rehashed old stuff.
Dallas Buyers Club, American Hustle, Her, Nebraska, Captain Phillips and the Sci-Fi movie Gravity all lost the oscar to 12 years a slave.
Well they are being ultra conservative on any of these shows that are `so good` - True Detective - never heard of it before - but see that it was just picked up for 8 episodes at first and now for a few more.
Television has quickly been getting tweaked and redefined in how it is delivered, and produced. The 8 episodes of True Detective are more akin to the UK style of production (see Sherlock and MI-5 and Downton Abbey and Wire in the Blood for examples, all on Netflix).
Television has been redefining itself as something almost transcendant since The Wire and Sopranos opened up pandora's box for creativity.
Procedurals like NCIS and its many spinoffs still serve popcorn to the masses and do quite well in ratings, but the flexibility made available to do something like Girls or It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia or True Detective ... it's unprecedented in US television.
What's this mean for Star Trek?
The delivery device isn't the same as it was when Enterprise ended. There's room to do something dialog heavy. And Sci-Fi heavy. And only 8 episodes. With top notch talent.
I haven't even delved into the Wigs channel and some of the actors it attracted. But the key issue here is, in terms of television, the only thing holding Star Trek back right now is the licensing tied into the movies.
When that gets sorted out, and CBS is confident to give things a try, they have so many options to do something completely revolutionary (and low cost) with the IP.
Which means shows like True Detective are significant in how they demonstrate that the american audience is willing to go beyond what it's accepted from the networks in the past. And they certainly do have a longer attention span than was suggested.
Yes well you were picking out a line in a sentence that was referring to American Movies and responding to that sentence with a retort about some new American TV Dramas - not exactly fair.
It is fair though. Because this topic is about a Star Trek television show.
And you're really just taking a potshot at American viewers because Michael Bay's making a ninja turtles movie. But those big blockbuster productions when they flop? They recoup all their losses with INTERNATIONAL box office. That's how Ghost Rider made money. That's how Transformers was so wildly successful it keeps making more sequels. Because everyone around the world likes big explosions, not just Americans.
Dallas Buyers Club, American Hustle, Her, Nebraska, Captain Phillips and the Sci-Fi movie Gravity all lost the oscar to 12 years a slave.
Yes of course almost every year there are movies with amazing plots and acting - they are usually not the most common or most viewed and are almost never box-office `blockbusters` Quality movies are getting thin reception for the most part - while trash gets the big bucks.
It`s not that they don`t exist - I never claimed that - it`s that the trash seems to be taking over more and more of the box office.
I won`t comment more on this issue as it`s gone way off topic as to the potential for another Star Trek TV show.
Dallas Buyers Club, American Hustle, Her, Nebraska, Captain Phillips and the Sci-Fi movie Gravity all lost the oscar to 12 years a slave.
Because if anyone doesn't think a film that shames white people for slavery deserves an Oscar, they're clearly racist and being called racist is THE ABSOLUTELY WORST POSSIBLE THING YOU CAN CALL ANYONE EVER!
:rolleyes:
Seriously, there is talks of a Roots reboot now. We have got to get over slavery. Yes it was bad. But you know what? I think white people have been shamed enough. We need to let it go. Just let it go.
"A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP"
Seriously, there is talks of a Roots reboot now. We have got to get over slavery. Yes it was bad. But you know what? I think white people have been shamed enough. We need to let it go. Just let it go.
Heh. I was really just listing the Oscar nominees to note that none of them were reboots or sequels of anything.
But while we're talking about 12 years, Chiwetel Ejiofor is pretty popular among Serenity/Firefly fans (browncoats) for his performance as the Agent in Serenity.
Because if anyone doesn't think a film that shames white people for slavery deserves an Oscar, they're clearly racist and being called racist is THE ABSOLUTELY WORST POSSIBLE THING YOU CAN CALL ANYONE EVER!
:rolleyes:
Seriously, there is talks of a Roots reboot now. We have got to get over slavery. Yes it was bad. But you know what? I think white people have been shamed enough. We need to let it go. Just let it go.
What I wanna know is why I'm expected to share in that shame? It's racist to assume that because some white people at some point in time did something bad, I have to be held accountable for it being a white people. My ancestors came over on a boat after the civil war, and some of them were Irish and trust me, they got mistreated too.
But yea, That leads us back to the point that we NEED a new Star Trek show in this day and age.
Some good points. Yes the big boom sequals and reboots will always make bank... because explosions don't need to be translated. Its why your not going to see a David Mamet movie make a killing in Asia... M. Bay though sure his junk is universal.
The point on the changing nature of TV. That is a great point.
True Detective has 8 episodes because that is how it was written. Its a complete story in 8 episodes, with top notch A list talent. There are other cool things like House of Card with Kevin Spacey... and your right they seem to be rifting on the UK style that has put out some really great stuff the last few years. Who would have expected something like Downton Abby to be so darn watchable. lol
I could completely see a 5-10 episode Trek show... a complete story being told over 5-10 hours. If they could attract some named quality acting I could see it being huge right now. Those things also translate into almost instant resale value in the form of blu ray / dvd packs ect.
If it made them a nice profit... they could do the same thing every year or two... picking up a really great up and coming style director to do then entire season... and getting big name actors to show up for a month to shoot 5-10 episodes and then be done is MUCH easier then locking down people like Bakula and Mulgrew. The big draw class of actors don't want to commit to years and years of a show.
What I wanna know is why I'm expected to share in that shame? It's racist to assume that because some white people at some point in time did something bad, I have to be held accountable for it being a white people. My ancestors came over on a boat after the civil war, and some of them were Irish and trust me, they got mistreated too.
But yea, That leads us back to the point that we NEED a new Star Trek show in this day and age.
Yup. We need to be taught that humanity can rise above such petty differences like skin color and focus on more pressing matters.
Like killing aliens because they have different shaped heads than we do.
HEY OH!
"A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP"
Some good points. Yes the big boom sequals and reboots will always make bank... because explosions don't need to be translated. Its why your not going to see a David Mamet movie make a killing in Asia... M. Bay though sure his junk is universal.
The point on the changing nature of TV. That is a great point.
True Detective has 8 episodes because that is how it was written. Its a complete story in 8 episodes, with top notch A list talent. There are other cool things like House of Card with Kevin Spacey... and your right they seem to be rifting on the UK style that has put out some really great stuff the last few years. Who would have expected something like Downton Abby to be so darn watchable. lol
I could completely see a 5-10 episode Trek show... a complete story being told over 5-10 hours. If they could attract some named quality acting I could see it being huge right now. Those things also translate into almost instant resale value in the form of blu ray / dvd packs ect.
If it made them a nice profit... they could do the same thing every year or two... picking up a really great up and coming style director to do then entire season... and getting big name actors to show up for a month to shoot 5-10 episodes and then be done is MUCH easier then locking down people like Bakula and Mulgrew. The big draw class of actors don't want to commit to years and years of a show.
We all know there has been no good American TV since - `The Love Boat` went off the air:eek::P
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the sce stories are based arround where there might be some ancient deserted installation or derelict ship found and the sce are sent in to investigate backward engineer and sometimes recover any tech that can be used.
for more details see-
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Starfleet_Corps_of_Engineers
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
You know True Detective just pretty much killed it with hype and follow through on hype in the American pop culture landscape right?
True Detective had practically no flash, and very little bang. It was dialog heavy. Extremely dialog heavy. And that was one of the things that gripped the television viewing audience.
Shows like Breaking Bad and Mad Men have helped redefine dramatic television. Not a whole lot of action overall in either.
You can definitely do dialog heavy television in the US.
Well that is sort of my point on the Cap movie. Hollywood has been blending sci fi elements into everything lately. I think it has made the general population more accepting of sci fi in general. I mean if agents of shield had higher ratings I would say a Trek show would be a almost a given. Still I think they are doing that with a lot of these "geek" style themed movies. Rifting on stuff people are more familier with to suck them in. I mean go all the way back to Iron Man... no doubt both of us where in on that no matter. Would anyone have guessed how big it really was though... and at that point it wasn't just those of us that had Iron Man comic collections. lol
Guardians ya that one obviously super sci fi. Really though if Guardians does really well this summer... how much better do you think something like say Farscape would have done this fall instead of 1999 ?
The hobit... ya not sci fi... still it is popular and it is not CSI or the Voice. lol Not that a lotro tv show would work... just put it on there... Really the list I put up isn't mine I pulled those of lists from major movie critics. There are less movies on there list this year that aren't Super Hero / Hard Sci fi then are.
No offense but this is an UTTER CROCK. Get off your 'average american has no attention span' soapbox that we've all heard before because it isn't even remotely true except in your imagination.
Really. Two words for you.
True Detective.
Ugh...
Well since the topic was Star trek - I was more referring to sci-fi
It's the fluoride
I thought WoW's forums had angry elitist snobs, but I never could have imagined the level STO forums has.
See my last post.
Breaking Bad would disagree...hell even the Walking Dead despite being about Zombies is Dialog heavy, and they are some of the top shows in the U.S right now.
I did, buddy. No offense, but you don't give the audience enough credit.
Could easily be read and dismissed as a pointless bash post with no real insight.
people love breaking bads, go ape over true detective and it's archaic 'king in yellow' references, watch the hell out of their "Agents of SHIELD" chock full of silly sci fi stuff, or game of thrones and watch episode after episode loaded with dialogue and minor action sequences (or in the case of true detective, a grand total of TWO action sequences)
Not sure that is true. Look at all the great TV right now... that is both deep full of good acting (and attracting Big names like Spacey/Buscemi/Harrelson and his stoner buddy ect.
If anything I think the average TV viewer is telling the networks to take the fluff shows and stick them... not counting the always popular and stupid reality shows.
I am not saying they could go ahead and budget 10mil an episode for a trek show. Still if they get the right people involved they could easily hold a 1.5-2.0 rating with a quality trek show. That would more then pay for 6-7 seasons. They would also have to know that any trek show has years of residuals on Disc sales ect. Trek shows are long term investments. I think right now they could easily turn a profit equal to at least there average show... long term the Trek shows value goes way up though. If they manage to get 5+ years out of it... its an instant win in disc sales and syndication.
Well they are being ultra conservative on any of these shows that are `so good` - True Detective - never heard of it before - but see that it was just picked up for 8 episodes at first and now for a few more. Same happened to Walking dead. Not many networks want to make big bets upfront with new dramas.
what and derail the thread? None of us here were born yesterday. Sequels and sequelitis come and go, why blame americans or make up hyperbole about their viewing preferences?
anyway I think a trek show would do great. GREAT. But it needs to be tight. It needs writers who can whip the canon into shape. If you remember the show, due to the nature of it's writing, things 'canon' could change from episode to episode. Like now its technically 'canon' that if you go Warp 10 you devolve into some sort of lizard thing. It was stupid then and it's stupid now.
I don't think CBS will give anyone the reins to hammer down a canon and a storyline though... because, well, its CBS and they have proven themselves nothing if not spiteful. And in the end the fans can't even agree on what show they like - no matter what, at this point, people will be mad. See: JJ Trek, and soon Star Wars Episode VIII
Yes well you were picking out a line in a sentence that was referring to American Movies and responding to that sentence with a retort about some new American TV Dramas - not exactly fair.
Canon ment nothing for the successful JJ trek movies - lots of flash in your face is all - literally flash in your face - got to love that lens flare.
They have been doing that for years. When the sequal numbers started getting crazy they started just rebooting. I guess we are all stupid enough to go and watch things like;
spider man 9000 - Reboot X this time spidey is in darker blue and broods more.
Xman 9001 - Also known as Reboot 2 Volume 2.
Seriously though... this year has some interesting stuff coming that is just pure hard sci fi.
Transcendence and Interstellar both spring to mind. Cruise has a new hard sci fi flick coming to Edge of tomorrow, and it may not have been fantastic but last year he had Oblivion. Elysium last year to... a couple years back District 9 was well done as well.
I don't disagree, but the whole point was to seperate itself from regular trek - to not conflict with known canon but instead make their own.
and people got mad as hell anyway. tbh fans of big IPs like trek are their own worst enemy.
Anyway sci fi is always there, always loved by the audience... i actually think CBS is the big problem here.
As true as this is, it is like this about everything all the time, and this statement does nothing to justify not having a new Trek show, but in fact lends credence to the need for a new one.
There will always be those who dislike something. It is the nature of Humanity that we are all different in some way or another. I personally used to LOVE World of ********, and ******** before it since the early 1990's, but when Blizzard ran in a direction of lore, game mechanics, etc that I didn't care for, I quit playing, but now I intend to put at least a little time into the newest expansion when it comes out.
There WILL be trekkies who don't like a new Star Trek show, and there WILL be new viewers, unfamiliar with Star Trek, who dislike it as well. But the rewards will outweigh the few who don't appreciate it, and they will go on with their lives.
I thought WoW's forums had angry elitist snobs, but I never could have imagined the level STO forums has.
True... I didn't hate JJ trek I'll admit it. I understand they couldn't do another next gen style movie. The only option was to go in a different direction and make sure everyone knew at all times that it was something different.
I think they would have to do pretty much the same thing with a new show... we couldn't get a 5 years after next gen style show or something that just picked up where we think it should be. The only option would be some sort of Voyager style premise or perhaps something that was very different and removed from what we know. I still think the Engineer corps could fit that bill if they didn't want to rehash voyager to much.
I don`t like the trend I am seeing :
- reboot of stuff - check
- TV shows getting more violent and more bloody - check
- Still more reality TRIBBLE - check
- Sky high movie prices - check
Personally I am mostly sticking to books.
Dallas Buyers Club, American Hustle, Her, Nebraska, Captain Phillips and the Sci-Fi movie Gravity all lost the oscar to 12 years a slave.
That has always been the best option anyway.
Television has quickly been getting tweaked and redefined in how it is delivered, and produced. The 8 episodes of True Detective are more akin to the UK style of production (see Sherlock and MI-5 and Downton Abbey and Wire in the Blood for examples, all on Netflix).
Television has been redefining itself as something almost transcendant since The Wire and Sopranos opened up pandora's box for creativity.
Procedurals like NCIS and its many spinoffs still serve popcorn to the masses and do quite well in ratings, but the flexibility made available to do something like Girls or It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia or True Detective ... it's unprecedented in US television.
What's this mean for Star Trek?
The delivery device isn't the same as it was when Enterprise ended. There's room to do something dialog heavy. And Sci-Fi heavy. And only 8 episodes. With top notch talent.
I haven't even delved into the Wigs channel and some of the actors it attracted. But the key issue here is, in terms of television, the only thing holding Star Trek back right now is the licensing tied into the movies.
When that gets sorted out, and CBS is confident to give things a try, they have so many options to do something completely revolutionary (and low cost) with the IP.
Which means shows like True Detective are significant in how they demonstrate that the american audience is willing to go beyond what it's accepted from the networks in the past. And they certainly do have a longer attention span than was suggested.
It is fair though. Because this topic is about a Star Trek television show.
And you're really just taking a potshot at American viewers because Michael Bay's making a ninja turtles movie. But those big blockbuster productions when they flop? They recoup all their losses with INTERNATIONAL box office. That's how Ghost Rider made money. That's how Transformers was so wildly successful it keeps making more sequels. Because everyone around the world likes big explosions, not just Americans.
Yes of course almost every year there are movies with amazing plots and acting - they are usually not the most common or most viewed and are almost never box-office `blockbusters` Quality movies are getting thin reception for the most part - while trash gets the big bucks.
It`s not that they don`t exist - I never claimed that - it`s that the trash seems to be taking over more and more of the box office.
I won`t comment more on this issue as it`s gone way off topic as to the potential for another Star Trek TV show.
Because if anyone doesn't think a film that shames white people for slavery deserves an Oscar, they're clearly racist and being called racist is THE ABSOLUTELY WORST POSSIBLE THING YOU CAN CALL ANYONE EVER!
:rolleyes:
Seriously, there is talks of a Roots reboot now. We have got to get over slavery. Yes it was bad. But you know what? I think white people have been shamed enough. We need to let it go. Just let it go.
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
Heh. I was really just listing the Oscar nominees to note that none of them were reboots or sequels of anything.
But while we're talking about 12 years, Chiwetel Ejiofor is pretty popular among Serenity/Firefly fans (browncoats) for his performance as the Agent in Serenity.
Sci-Fi!
What I wanna know is why I'm expected to share in that shame? It's racist to assume that because some white people at some point in time did something bad, I have to be held accountable for it being a white people. My ancestors came over on a boat after the civil war, and some of them were Irish and trust me, they got mistreated too.
But yea, That leads us back to the point that we NEED a new Star Trek show in this day and age.
I thought WoW's forums had angry elitist snobs, but I never could have imagined the level STO forums has.
The point on the changing nature of TV. That is a great point.
True Detective has 8 episodes because that is how it was written. Its a complete story in 8 episodes, with top notch A list talent. There are other cool things like House of Card with Kevin Spacey... and your right they seem to be rifting on the UK style that has put out some really great stuff the last few years. Who would have expected something like Downton Abby to be so darn watchable. lol
I could completely see a 5-10 episode Trek show... a complete story being told over 5-10 hours. If they could attract some named quality acting I could see it being huge right now. Those things also translate into almost instant resale value in the form of blu ray / dvd packs ect.
If it made them a nice profit... they could do the same thing every year or two... picking up a really great up and coming style director to do then entire season... and getting big name actors to show up for a month to shoot 5-10 episodes and then be done is MUCH easier then locking down people like Bakula and Mulgrew. The big draw class of actors don't want to commit to years and years of a show.
Yup. We need to be taught that humanity can rise above such petty differences like skin color and focus on more pressing matters.
Like killing aliens because they have different shaped heads than we do.
HEY OH!
-Leonard Nimoy, RIP
We all know there has been no good American TV since - `The Love Boat` went off the air:eek::P