We all know there has been no good American TV since - `The Love Boat` went off the air:eek::P
Hmm perhaps our best hope is a mash up.
Love boat meets Trek meets the bachelor.
"Love Trek" Ya I could see that.
- One thousand brides. One hundred million dollars. William Stubing is about to discover the true colour of love, and its green.
Because if anyone doesn't think a film that shames white people for slavery deserves an Oscar, they're clearly racist and being called racist is THE ABSOLUTELY WORST POSSIBLE THING YOU CAN CALL ANYONE EVER!
:rolleyes:
Seriously, there is talks of a Roots reboot now. We have got to get over slavery. Yes it was bad. But you know what? I think white people have been shamed enough. We need to let it go. Just let it go.
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To be honest I don't see this happening. I don't think there are enough people for the ratings they expect, especially since the "pace" of the show should be considerably slower than the "action-packed" series everyone loves these days.
When I think about if I'd like this type of show, I say yes because I like Star Trek. But a show isn't meant to please only those who are familiar with it's basis. It needs to reach out and appeal to people who know nothing about the "thing".
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Why would it be in Ten Forward?
Because this isn't a Star Trek Online topic. It belongs in the off-topic bin.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
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Personally, I thought Michael Dorn's idea of a new Trek series with a focus on the Klingons had great potential and should have been made (although I would of course prefer a series with a focus on the Romulans).
And no to Sci Fi (which is now "SyFy" and dominated by "reality" schlock).
We would, if CBS would just nix Two and a Half Men already. It's a prime slot and you're wasting it trying to spite Charlie Sheen! It's not working! He won! Get over it and move on!
Sheen's best moment was TIM in ME2 and ME3. apart from that i cant think of anything he really stood out on.
if there were to be a trek series, it would need to be rather soonish, if cbs just sits on the franchise without doing anything to advance the prime universe there is frankly little to no point in keeping trek. the last place i want it given to is bad robot productions and SYFY destroyed SGU, so i dont trust them to stick to it season by season.
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Wrong sheen TIM in ME was Martin Sheen not Charlie.
Back on topic there will be a new series but it's a web series called Renegades
really? o.O
hehe, well yes back to topic then. we have enough reality tv garbage floating like icebergs across the tv screen, i hope cbs decides to can one of these for a trek series of their own.
i know of renegades as well, but i think thats another fanmade film then a series, if there were to be approval for canon or whatever it would most likely come from paramount as they control the trek films.
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If I was gonna write a trek show here's what I'd do.
First of all it'd be an animated series, There's a reason why SW: Clone wars happened and the live action series they wanted to do ended up being dropped.
Selling a "serious cartoon" aimed at an adult level audiance to studio execs might be a challange initally, but I think I could point to a number of examples that prove it could work. (the longest running syndicated TV show is the Simpsons, a cartoon not nesscarily aimed at children)
I'd set it shortly after the Hobus super nova. and the entire premise would be that with the RSE basicly being trashed, Starfleet has moved in, on an exploritory and humanitarian mission. Helping out various romulan worlds (as well as rommy client races hence a chance to display new alien species "closer to home") I'd focus the action on the Enterprise E. however by then all the old cast will have move on and retired. it'd be the same old ship, but with a differnt cast of characters, (as other sources have suggested Data becomes Captain I'd try to see if Brett Spiner was intreasted but I'd not count on it)
Over all I'd have two objectives with the show, the first would be to provide a classic trek experiance, the second would be to try to do to Romlans, what TNG and S9 did for Klingons and Feranghi. show off the species a bit
In the spirit of the originals? I'm talking these are the voyages of the starship Enterprise-F(preferably captained by a less bloodthirsty Andorian) who's mission is to utilize this new slipstream technology to explore strange new worlds?
Well I still think one of the major problems of "enterprise" was forcing the name "Enterprise" into it.
Voyager and DS9 worked pretty well without the protagonist ship being "the enterprise".
When I want Trek in the spirit of the Originals, I watch TOS online. It's free!
Sadly, I think the days of a show like that are over.
Back in the big days of Star Trek... the days between TNGs start and VOYs end... how many space-travel-based sci fir shows were life?
Red Dwarf, Farscape, Andromeda, b5, Stargate, Stargate Atlantis, Lexx and probably some I forgot about.
How many are there NOW?
ZERO.
It seems like that kind of genre is simply not appreciated any more.
And if it ever comes back... I'll ask the question: Why does it have to be star trek?
I mean... good, fun action sci fi is nice. Thats what Stargate was. It wasn't very smart, but it was fun.
Star Trek was more.... and the appreciation of a lot of people for the Jar Jar Trek movies show that people do not want that "More".
I'd rather see NO NEW STAR TREK EVER AGAIN then something even remotely close to the spirit of the Jar Jar TRIBBLE movies.
I always wished someone would make a Star Trek Series from Romulan perspective instead of Starfleet. Not the usual alien-of-the-week approach (which is IMO the main reason Enterprise failed: No consistent storyline during the first seasons), but an ongoing storyline full of deception, espionage, murder and war. Basically Game of Thrones in space. Someone please make it happen
Well if they are not interested in making a new show they should just sell the IP and let someone else do it. Of course we can dream, right? :>
But they won't, as it remains a golden cash cow they can further milk out with the trinkets and royalties of the existing series.
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I thought his granddad had a different name in Undiscovered Country. Dorn said the name and how it was Worf's grandfather in an interview when the movie was about to be released. Forget the name but it wasn't Worf nor did it say he was a Colonel.
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I thought his granddad had a different name in Undiscovered Country. Dorn said the name and how it was Worf's grandfather in an interview when the movie was about to be released. Forget the name but it wasn't Worf nor did it say he was a Colonel.
At one point during the trial, the judge specifically addresses Dorn's character as Colonel Worf.
The problem with the Star Trek continuations in TNG and DS9 was that ultimately they were claustrophobically boring and killed the joy of TOS magic that ultimately kicked it all off.
Voyager was an obvious attempt to bring back some TOS magic, but it failed. Enterprise, again, another failed attempt.
Fundamentally, space politics is boring. Space exploration is what's exciting. New life and new civilizations. Not convoluted political claptrap between already-established civilizations, but the discovery of aliens and their funny little ways.
Also, plastic foreheads are ultimately boring too. And silly. And not very alien.
Star Trek could easily be re-booted with the same premise as TOS, with CGI enabling the realization of actually alien aliens and really weird new situations. Also required would be a Firefly-like level of ensemble cast quality (i.e. really good actors who work well together). And great scripts based on actual stories by actual s-f writers (like often happened in TOS).
I find space politics interesting enough that TNG and DS9 are my favourite Star Trek. Voyager had potential but failed due to poor writing and wanting to get back to the TNG style of story telling where there wasn't some continuous story going on between episodes. Enterprise started out feeling like more Voyager.
For me, TOS is fun, but a bit campy, and is not something I re-watch when watching Trek (other than the movies and a few of the more interesting episodes).
Wonder if a series that takes place during the Dominion War would work. It's recent past, but there's probably a lot of untold stories that could be gotten into there that DS9 only touched on.
Either that, or they need to fire off through the wormhole and explore the gamma quadrant.
It seems like that kind of genre is simply not appreciated any more.
And if it ever comes back... I'll ask the question: Why does it have to be star trek?
I mean... good, fun action sci fi is nice. Thats what Stargate was. It wasn't very smart, but it was fun.
Star Trek was more.... and the appreciation of a lot of people for the Jar Jar Trek movies show that people do not want that "More".
I do not despise the JJ Trek movies. In fact, I have both of them in my DVD collection.
That said, J.J Abrams has admitted to having been Star Wars fan and not a Star Trek fan (which explains a lot ...), and my view is that they should have found someone who was a Star Trek fan from the start. Trek shouldn't cater to fans of the great light show whose only actual content was naught but Neo-Jungian Achetypalism (I happily admit that Star Wars, or at least the original trilogy, was entertaining, but Star Trek should be more than that). Star Trek is not -- and should not be -- Star Wars; Star Trek is -- and should remain -- entertainment which challenges the viewers to think outside the box, to consider how our society could actualize our highest ideals more properly, to remember that we hold liberty, equality, and justice for all as lofty and worthy goals, and to realize that we have often failed to live up to those ideals, but that we can be better than we are.
Obviously from my quoted post, even though I liked those movies, I don't think they felt very much like Trek (apart from the main characters and their interactions), and equally obviously from my quoted post, I do very much want that "more."
Wonder if a series that takes place during the Dominion War would work. It's recent past, but there's probably a lot of untold stories that could be gotten into there that DS9 only touched on.
Either that, or they need to fire off through the wormhole and explore the gamma quadrant.
The Gamma Quadrant for a considerable distance around the wormhole is controlled by the Dominion, and they do not care to have people from the other end coming and encroaching on their space. However, there is still a lot of unexplored territory near the Alpha/Gamma quadrant border that is a big blank spot on the galactic map, and Slipstream Drive would make it reachable.
I find space politics interesting enough that TNG and DS9 are my favourite Star Trek. Voyager had potential but failed due to poor writing and wanting to get back to the TNG style of story telling where there wasn't some continuous story going on between episodes. Enterprise started out feeling like more Voyager.
For me, TOS is fun, but a bit campy, and is not something I re-watch when watching Trek (other than the movies and a few of the more interesting episodes).
TOS is campy now because it's old. At the time (after a bumpy start), TOS was a bombshell, just like Star Wars. Geek culture as it is today is the aftermath of these two franchises.
And the reason for that was that it was real s-f exploring strange new worlds and new civilizations.
Do that, and it's Trek, don't do that and it's just meandering storylines that go nowhere and eventually jump the shark. i.e., like most modern tv, except with added plastic foreheads and some speechifying on top.
A bit of politics is good, sure, but being s-f, the central premise has to be to awaken a sense of wonder. Without that magic, it's nothing.
In the spirit of the originals? I'm talking these are the voyages of the starship Enterprise-F(preferably captained by a less bloodthirsty Andorian) who's mission is to utilize this new slipstream technology to explore strange new worlds?
Hmmm, doubtful. The new movies have pretty much laid the old canon to rest.
As for any Star Trek show... It's possible I suppose, depends on how tastes change. Doctor Who's success in the UK was a surprise and brought about a slew of sci-fi and fantasy shows (all of which were awful, but that's beside the point).
Problem is Star Trek seems to be mostly written by people who haven't a fecking clue how to write a character. This includes the latest Star Trek movies. Lots of nice sci-fi ideas, great for most sci-fi geeks, but the majority don't give a rats TRIBBLE about planet zog. And it's going to need that majority to keep it going.
Another problem is that science has really moved on and as such so has suspension of disbelief. TNG era Trek science is increasingly looking as campy as TOS era science. Transporters, warp drive, very human-like aliens, phasers (Ray guns), all of that is falling into Flash Gordon territory.
The best thing to do is to keep Star Trek off of television. And it's best to leave the so-called "Prime" universe in the realm of pleasant memory.
Star Trek has been "rebooted". They need to work from that new foundation. Because, ultimately, Star Trek is more about high adventure than high-minded bulls**t.
The problem with the Star Trek continuations in TNG and DS9 was that ultimately they were claustrophobically boring and killed the joy of TOS magic that ultimately kicked it all off.
Voyager was an obvious attempt to bring back some TOS magic, but it failed. Enterprise, again, another failed attempt.
Fundamentally, space politics is boring. Space exploration is what's exciting. New life and new civilizations. Not convoluted political claptrap between already-established civilizations, but the discovery of aliens and their funny little ways.
Also, plastic foreheads are ultimately boring too. And silly. And not very alien.
Star Trek could easily be re-booted with the same premise as TOS, with CGI enabling the realization of actually alien aliens and really weird new situations. Also required would be a Firefly-like level of ensemble cast quality (i.e. really good actors who work well together). And great scripts based on actual stories by actual s-f writers (like often happened in TOS).
I think TNG is the best of them all. Not so much the first season or even much of the second season (not a Pulaski fan. Disagreeable old men like Bones can be fun but disagreeable old women aren't) but by the third season the series was superior. TOS was fun but sometimes too 60's campy.
And there's something about TNG that makes it feel still modern when I watch it today. In my opinion it aged really well. Once in a while a visual effect is obviously early 90s but overall the series feels ageless. TOS felt aged even when I was a toddler in the late 70s. Good show though, I'm not knocking it.
I like how TNG had a pleasant mix of exploration and politics. Gomtuu, the Zalkonian undergoing transformation, the Romulan-Klingon plot, the house of Duras, there's just so much.
They can make a new series that combines TOS and TNG if they wanted. I honestly don't know why they don't want to. Maybe they figure due to it's necessary budget and the nature of modern TV watching it wouldn't be profitable.
Honestly i think that will be great. And with a lot of possibilities. I only hope, for god sake that JJ Abrahms is not in the middle of it. I will love a new start trek show if it has nothing to do with that guy.
TNG was ALWAYS the best star trek tv show ever. I dont think anyone that knows a little about the franchise will say the opposite. Now, about TASTES, i still prefer TNG before anything else. But the last place for me is DS9. I even prefer Enterprise before DS9. But this is a question of taste. My list will be TNG, TOS, Voyager, Enterprise and DS9.
And btw, the THIRD season of TNG is one of the best seasons of all times, in a star trek tv show.
The problem with the Star Trek continuations in TNG and DS9 was that ultimately they were claustrophobically boring and killed the joy of TOS magic that ultimately kicked it all off.
Voyager was an obvious attempt to bring back some TOS magic, but it failed. Enterprise, again, another failed attempt.
All these years later and it's still popular, doesn't sound like a failure to me :S enterprise... hmmm maybe.
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Hmm perhaps our best hope is a mash up.
Love boat meets Trek meets the bachelor.
"Love Trek" Ya I could see that.
- One thousand brides. One hundred million dollars. William Stubing is about to discover the true colour of love, and its green.
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When I think about if I'd like this type of show, I say yes because I like Star Trek. But a show isn't meant to please only those who are familiar with it's basis. It needs to reach out and appeal to people who know nothing about the "thing".
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Why would it be in Ten Forward?
I thought WoW's forums had angry elitist snobs, but I never could have imagined the level STO forums has.
Because this isn't a Star Trek Online topic. It belongs in the off-topic bin.
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Its been slow relax and have some fun.
And no to Sci Fi (which is now "SyFy" and dominated by "reality" schlock).
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Sheen's best moment was TIM in ME2 and ME3. apart from that i cant think of anything he really stood out on.
if there were to be a trek series, it would need to be rather soonish, if cbs just sits on the franchise without doing anything to advance the prime universe there is frankly little to no point in keeping trek. the last place i want it given to is bad robot productions and SYFY destroyed SGU, so i dont trust them to stick to it season by season.
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Back on topic there will be a new series but it's a web series called Renegades
really? o.O
hehe, well yes back to topic then. we have enough reality tv garbage floating like icebergs across the tv screen, i hope cbs decides to can one of these for a trek series of their own.
i know of renegades as well, but i think thats another fanmade film then a series, if there were to be approval for canon or whatever it would most likely come from paramount as they control the trek films.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
First of all it'd be an animated series, There's a reason why SW: Clone wars happened and the live action series they wanted to do ended up being dropped.
Selling a "serious cartoon" aimed at an adult level audiance to studio execs might be a challange initally, but I think I could point to a number of examples that prove it could work. (the longest running syndicated TV show is the Simpsons, a cartoon not nesscarily aimed at children)
I'd set it shortly after the Hobus super nova. and the entire premise would be that with the RSE basicly being trashed, Starfleet has moved in, on an exploritory and humanitarian mission. Helping out various romulan worlds (as well as rommy client races hence a chance to display new alien species "closer to home") I'd focus the action on the Enterprise E. however by then all the old cast will have move on and retired. it'd be the same old ship, but with a differnt cast of characters, (as other sources have suggested Data becomes Captain I'd try to see if Brett Spiner was intreasted but I'd not count on it)
Over all I'd have two objectives with the show, the first would be to provide a classic trek experiance, the second would be to try to do to Romlans, what TNG and S9 did for Klingons and Feranghi. show off the species a bit
Well I still think one of the major problems of "enterprise" was forcing the name "Enterprise" into it.
Voyager and DS9 worked pretty well without the protagonist ship being "the enterprise".
Back in the big days of Star Trek... the days between TNGs start and VOYs end... how many space-travel-based sci fir shows were life?
Red Dwarf, Farscape, Andromeda, b5, Stargate, Stargate Atlantis, Lexx and probably some I forgot about.
How many are there NOW?
ZERO.
It seems like that kind of genre is simply not appreciated any more.
And if it ever comes back... I'll ask the question: Why does it have to be star trek?
I mean... good, fun action sci fi is nice. Thats what Stargate was. It wasn't very smart, but it was fun.
Star Trek was more.... and the appreciation of a lot of people for the Jar Jar Trek movies show that people do not want that "More".
I'd rather see NO NEW STAR TREK EVER AGAIN then something even remotely close to the spirit of the Jar Jar TRIBBLE movies.
Yeah sorry, simply saying "no" does not keep em busy.
But they won't, as it remains a golden cash cow they can further milk out with the trinkets and royalties of the existing series.
For the glory of Tempus!
I am the hands of Shar!
Flames of Kossuth, protect me!
Oghma, grant me knowledge!
Lolth commands, and I obey!
I thought his granddad had a different name in Undiscovered Country. Dorn said the name and how it was Worf's grandfather in an interview when the movie was about to be released. Forget the name but it wasn't Worf nor did it say he was a Colonel.
"There is no problem in the universe that can't be solved with a bribe, a paid assassin, or an overpowered fighter." - Chubain from Jumpgate Evolution
At one point during the trial, the judge specifically addresses Dorn's character as Colonel Worf.
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Voyager was an obvious attempt to bring back some TOS magic, but it failed. Enterprise, again, another failed attempt.
Fundamentally, space politics is boring. Space exploration is what's exciting. New life and new civilizations. Not convoluted political claptrap between already-established civilizations, but the discovery of aliens and their funny little ways.
Also, plastic foreheads are ultimately boring too. And silly. And not very alien.
Star Trek could easily be re-booted with the same premise as TOS, with CGI enabling the realization of actually alien aliens and really weird new situations. Also required would be a Firefly-like level of ensemble cast quality (i.e. really good actors who work well together). And great scripts based on actual stories by actual s-f writers (like often happened in TOS).
For me, TOS is fun, but a bit campy, and is not something I re-watch when watching Trek (other than the movies and a few of the more interesting episodes).
Either that, or they need to fire off through the wormhole and explore the gamma quadrant.
Obviously from my quoted post, even though I liked those movies, I don't think they felt very much like Trek (apart from the main characters and their interactions), and equally obviously from my quoted post, I do very much want that "more."
The Gamma Quadrant for a considerable distance around the wormhole is controlled by the Dominion, and they do not care to have people from the other end coming and encroaching on their space. However, there is still a lot of unexplored territory near the Alpha/Gamma quadrant border that is a big blank spot on the galactic map, and Slipstream Drive would make it reachable.
TOS is campy now because it's old. At the time (after a bumpy start), TOS was a bombshell, just like Star Wars. Geek culture as it is today is the aftermath of these two franchises.
And the reason for that was that it was real s-f exploring strange new worlds and new civilizations.
Do that, and it's Trek, don't do that and it's just meandering storylines that go nowhere and eventually jump the shark. i.e., like most modern tv, except with added plastic foreheads and some speechifying on top.
A bit of politics is good, sure, but being s-f, the central premise has to be to awaken a sense of wonder. Without that magic, it's nothing.
Hmmm, doubtful. The new movies have pretty much laid the old canon to rest.
As for any Star Trek show... It's possible I suppose, depends on how tastes change. Doctor Who's success in the UK was a surprise and brought about a slew of sci-fi and fantasy shows (all of which were awful, but that's beside the point).
Problem is Star Trek seems to be mostly written by people who haven't a fecking clue how to write a character. This includes the latest Star Trek movies. Lots of nice sci-fi ideas, great for most sci-fi geeks, but the majority don't give a rats TRIBBLE about planet zog. And it's going to need that majority to keep it going.
Another problem is that science has really moved on and as such so has suspension of disbelief. TNG era Trek science is increasingly looking as campy as TOS era science. Transporters, warp drive, very human-like aliens, phasers (Ray guns), all of that is falling into Flash Gordon territory.
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Star Trek has been "rebooted". They need to work from that new foundation. Because, ultimately, Star Trek is more about high adventure than high-minded bulls**t.
I think TNG is the best of them all. Not so much the first season or even much of the second season (not a Pulaski fan. Disagreeable old men like Bones can be fun but disagreeable old women aren't) but by the third season the series was superior. TOS was fun but sometimes too 60's campy.
And there's something about TNG that makes it feel still modern when I watch it today. In my opinion it aged really well. Once in a while a visual effect is obviously early 90s but overall the series feels ageless. TOS felt aged even when I was a toddler in the late 70s. Good show though, I'm not knocking it.
I like how TNG had a pleasant mix of exploration and politics. Gomtuu, the Zalkonian undergoing transformation, the Romulan-Klingon plot, the house of Duras, there's just so much.
They can make a new series that combines TOS and TNG if they wanted. I honestly don't know why they don't want to. Maybe they figure due to it's necessary budget and the nature of modern TV watching it wouldn't be profitable.
Honestly i think that will be great. And with a lot of possibilities. I only hope, for god sake that JJ Abrahms is not in the middle of it. I will love a new start trek show if it has nothing to do with that guy.
TNG was ALWAYS the best star trek tv show ever. I dont think anyone that knows a little about the franchise will say the opposite. Now, about TASTES, i still prefer TNG before anything else. But the last place for me is DS9. I even prefer Enterprise before DS9. But this is a question of taste. My list will be TNG, TOS, Voyager, Enterprise and DS9.
And btw, the THIRD season of TNG is one of the best seasons of all times, in a star trek tv show.
All these years later and it's still popular, doesn't sound like a failure to me :S enterprise... hmmm maybe.