Frankly speaking, I've not understood very well what these dev's "cryptic" words mean : you get an omega commendation for playing an stf daily and then ... omega marks like before?
How many BNP per stf?
I understood quite better how the new reputation revamped traits system is going to work than this dil/bnp stfs new mechanism.
So, I wouldn't draw conclusions right away.
Anyway, well, everyone and their mother knows that you gain Zen either by converting dilithium into them or by drawing your wallet.
So, considering all of the fleet/rep stuff which require dilithium, you'll have less dilithium to convert into Zen to buy that new ship and so on ... and you'll have an increased chance to draw your wallet.
Why the borg stfs? Because they were "elite", therefore a little longer until the power creep came along ( said by an average power creeper, just average :P;) ), turning them into a farming minefield.
Moreover, who plays the long Dyson space missions? Raise your hands ... and who goes down shooting dynos? Ah ... I knew.
Moreover, you don't have to wait for 60 useless seconds reading the briefing for the Nth time ( like in the Dyson space missions or in the last Mirror Event ) ... consider that.
So, what to say? Maybe, just maybe ... devs thought
"Dilithium is OP, plz nerf"
My only concern is the nerf to the chance at getting extra marks every time you do an STF. It costs 1,000 omega marks per piece of Adapted MACO/KHG ship set. It's already a horrible grind to get it when there's only 2 or 3 space STFs people queue for, and nobody does ground STFs in the pve queues anymore and haven't for a long time.
Now I'll be able to get extra marks once a day instead of the chance as many times as I can get into STFs in a single day.
*sigh* I have mixed feelings about this. I hardly ever got bonus marks (about a total of 115 for ISE) or bonus BNPs (usually a total of 11) anyway. But on the up side we are guaranteed bonus marks once per day so it might help a little.
It does say it will dwarf the amount of marks we can currently get. So currently the most bonus omega marks I've received from a single space STF gave me an overall total of about 115 marks with the bonus objective completed, so that's a bonus of 40 marks. To me it would have to be at least double (80) bonus marks for me to consider it "dwarfing" what we currently have a chance to get.
Edit: I don't like the chance to get extra BNPs removed. Sure the costs of set equipment are being reduced to 5 BNP each set piece, so that means for a full ship set we are guaranteed we will have to do 15 STFs to get the BNP needed. With the bonus BNP we could get a chance to get enough for 1 or 2 set items but now the grind is going to be even worse for characters that aren't full of BNPs when season 9 launches.
STFs are now gutted for good rewards is what this means friends
STO is simply forcing us to play content that we dont like to make them look good for graphs showing how there crappy content is showing more people playing it by increasing the rewards in the crappy content..voth BZ for instance
OMG it so SUCKs to be a noob in this game now i feel so sorry for all noobs
Even worse for new noob fleets..............much worse
The only people not affected by this are the KDF....................MuaaHaaaaaaa
what a Nerf.......this is the hardest Nerf to Date.......poor Feds are now even more poor than they were............
If you dont agree or know what i am talking about............Good maybe STO doesnt know either
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You know just before the news on the rep and now Dil grinds i did a month sub for the path to getting the Chinera. well NOT renewing it unless this is NOT done. Cryptic. HOW STUPID DO YOU HAVE TO GET. FIX THE IN GAME BUGS NOT MESS WITH THE DIL GRINDING> AAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHH. That's it this game HAS TO DIE NOW. I want my money back. and we can hope that the Next Trek MMo is more like SWTOR then this.
till then IF this happens, have a KDf toon and do defense of the empire
They had better not mess with stf's. Elite space STF's and the Voth battlezone are two really good ways to get dilithium, and with the incredible sums we need...we need ways to be able to grind for it that aren't agonizing.
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They had better not mess with stf's. Elite space STF's and the Voth battlezone are two really good ways to get dilithium, and with the incredible sums we need...we need ways to be able to grind for it that aren't agonizing.
Again, Voth BZ is probably the best way to get dil in a short amount of time. For the last week I've run it eight times a day on eight separate characters. Raking in a bunch to counter the rep system
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Again, Voth BZ is probably the best way to get dil in a short amount of time. For the last week I've run it eight times a day on eight separate characters. Raking in a bunch to counter the rep system
But what if you'er not a ground toon. i prefer space in this game. and the STF's for omega was the best way. This is among THE DUMBESTS MOVES TO DATE!
I can't believe this. They're nerfing the marks? They're nerfing Cybermorphic Processors? They're taking away rewards? And making it all dailies? What the?
And 55 marks?
What the heck am I going to do with a measly 55 marks?
This is just a huge slap in the face! Who came up with this?
The end result is that Borg Neural Processors will drop at a rate similar to Voth Cybernetic Implants
This is a baldfaced lie. Unless they're adding BNPs as possible rewards from Defera then the end result will be an extreme disparity in the drop rate between BNPs and Voth Implants.
We've had BNPs as part of STFs since, what, season 7? We've had the dyson sphere since season 8.
In sixteen months I've earned about 510 BNPs from fairly consistent STF play. In four months I've earned 431 Voth Implants from sporadic dyson play.
Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
I can't believe this. They're nerfing the marks? They're nerfing Cybermorphic Processors? They're taking away rewards? And making it all dailies? What the?
And 55 marks?
What the heck am I going to do with a measly 55 marks?
This is just a huge slap in the face! Who came up with this?
Not exactly the right thread for feedback but the new system is very annoying because you can't benefit from set bonuses until you are all the way through the rep system - with the move to all Mk12 items.
There is NO reduction in the mark cost/dilithium cost/or BNP cost to obtain items that I can see, however, the BNP trade in has been reduced from 5/1000D to 3/1000D
The rep levels also all cost 30 marks for each 20h project - unlike before:
I have to go from memory:
17 for T0-T1
20 for T1-T2
28 For T2-T3
29 for T3 - T4
32 for T4 - T5
Have not done the math to see what the total mark cost of old vs new system is.
by my calculations and taking into consideration of using one of those reputation tokens on an alt (given most will have their mains already fully repped)
old system 749 marks
new system 600 marks
the new system is running just the 20 hour project ONLY
i worked out the old system by micro managing the projects to be as cost effective as i could think.
This does not include tier upgrades but under the new system that is an extra 25 marks, not sure what it is for old system.
This is purely my calculations only and should not be taken as fact as i may actually be wrong but others are welcome to confirm this.
When it comes to Cryptic, nerfing is the new Improving.
Last year Cryptic decided to start dialing back the rate of resources accumulation in the game. They started by nerfing Tour the universe and they admitted as such. The forums raged. Cryptic's move had been met with resistance and ever since they have learned nerfs of this level are better repackaged and upsold as some great benefit to players when really they are just shuffling the numbers and days around in such a way that makes it seem better than ever at first, but works out to a major reduction in resource accumulation over the long haul. Cryptics re-branding and repackaging of the nerfs as improvements worked spectacularly; the nerf to daily bonus marks went by without hardly a hint of the rage tour the universe garnered a couple months ago. The nerf to borg neurals and marks in STF's is just the next logical step, passed off as a benefit as surely as the nerf a month or two ago was.
Now this is just rumor, since I've not seen any pics released from Tribble yet, but from what I hear, yeah, just Mk 12 even on the ground.
Don't know if that's true though. That could just be fear mongering. Still if it's true, that's a HUGE slap in the face to people who are currently only halway done getting their Mk X set.
Some players preferred the MK X and MK XI over XII due to the much reduced costs/resources with marginal benefit to MKXII.
I know right? The MK 12 stuff is so cost inefficient. And now with this nerf to marks and nerf to Dil, it'll take even longer to get any gear out of the system.
Cryptic Devs with their tiny hands, have to STOP slapping the players down!
It's DOOOOM! Omg game ended it's all doomed! I'll tell ya dilithium is doomed nerf all around!!!
On topic:
There's BZ for that, and THAT gives dilithium
lol yeah, this thread is full of people hilariously touting the voth BZ for all your dil needs, while blissfully unaware that they are waving a huge "NERF THIS" sign... because it is too good. it now eclipses every other method of getting dil in the entire game. you know, that dil they don't want you to be able to get easily.
The more I read the forums like this topic and the more "adjustments" to rewards that the devs make, the more thankful I took a break, this has to what be the what?15th major "adjustment" I have seen since the game has been released.
Makes me wonder who makes these kind of decisions.
Oh well, I suppose i'll keep watching from the sidelines, but I have a feeling I know how this will play out like almost every other "adjustment".
This change from cryptic isn't something new of them, but it makes me wonder if they think us all foolish, as usual only time will tell but again I am on a break as it is, either way hope it works out for everyone in the end but not holding my breath.
Last year Cryptic decided to start dialing back the rate of resources accumulation in the game. They started by nerfing Tour the universe and they admitted as such. The forums raged. Cryptic's move had been met with resistance and ever since they have learned nerfs of this level are better repackaged and upsold as some great benefit to players when really they are just shuffling the numbers and days around in such a way that makes it seem better than ever at first, but works out to a major reduction in resource accumulation over the long haul. Cryptics re-branding and repackaging of the nerfs as improvements worked spectacularly; the nerf to daily bonus marks went by without hardly a hint of the rage tour the universe garnered a couple months ago. The nerf to borg neurals and marks in STF's is just the next logical step, passed off as a benefit as surely as the nerf a month or two ago was.
Well said! And all of what you say is true.
For every nerf a future dev should remain unborn. :P
Now this is just rumor, since I've not seen any pics released from Tribble yet, but from what I hear, yeah, just Mk 12 even on the ground.
Don't know if that's true though. That could just be fear mongering. Still if it's true, that's a HUGE slap in the face to people who are currently only halway done getting their Mk X set.
all 3 people that actually bothered? Most peeps skip the 10 and 11 gear and use mission reward gear until they can get 12s...
I know right? The MK 12 stuff is so cost inefficient. And now with this nerf to marks and nerf to Dil, it'll take even longer to get any gear out of the system.
Cryptic Devs with their tiny hands, have to STOP slapping the players down!
BTW, the old reps will be giving requisition packs, like the dyson rep in S9..... MK12 gear too.
all 3 people that actually bothered? Most peeps skip the 10 and 11 gear and use mission reward gear until they can get 12s...BTW, the old reps will be giving requisition packs, like the dyson rep in S9..... MK12 gear too.
2 things I did not like:
1) Now with only Mk12 gear - there is almost zero point to get anything till T3 as it is not until T3 that you can get the second piece of any set - so no set bonuses till then.
2) These drops you mentioned - I did the whole rep on Tribble - every loot box gave a ground rifle! A ground rifle for every 20hr mission completed - yay!! Oh and although it is purple they are Mk11 and Mk 12
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How many BNP per stf?
I understood quite better how the new reputation revamped traits system is going to work than this dil/bnp stfs new mechanism.
So, I wouldn't draw conclusions right away.
Anyway, well, everyone and their mother knows that you gain Zen either by converting dilithium into them or by drawing your wallet.
So, considering all of the fleet/rep stuff which require dilithium, you'll have less dilithium to convert into Zen to buy that new ship and so on ... and you'll have an increased chance to draw your wallet.
Why the borg stfs? Because they were "elite", therefore a little longer until the power creep came along ( said by an average power creeper, just average :P;) ), turning them into a farming minefield.
Moreover, who plays the long Dyson space missions? Raise your hands ... and who goes down shooting dynos? Ah ... I knew.
Moreover, you don't have to wait for 60 useless seconds reading the briefing for the Nth time ( like in the Dyson space missions or in the last Mirror Event ) ... consider that.
So, what to say? Maybe, just maybe ... devs thought
"Dilithium is OP, plz nerf"
Now I'll be able to get extra marks once a day instead of the chance as many times as I can get into STFs in a single day.
*sigh* I have mixed feelings about this. I hardly ever got bonus marks (about a total of 115 for ISE) or bonus BNPs (usually a total of 11) anyway. But on the up side we are guaranteed bonus marks once per day so it might help a little.
It does say it will dwarf the amount of marks we can currently get. So currently the most bonus omega marks I've received from a single space STF gave me an overall total of about 115 marks with the bonus objective completed, so that's a bonus of 40 marks. To me it would have to be at least double (80) bonus marks for me to consider it "dwarfing" what we currently have a chance to get.
Edit: I don't like the chance to get extra BNPs removed. Sure the costs of set equipment are being reduced to 5 BNP each set piece, so that means for a full ship set we are guaranteed we will have to do 15 STFs to get the BNP needed. With the bonus BNP we could get a chance to get enough for 1 or 2 set items but now the grind is going to be even worse for characters that aren't full of BNPs when season 9 launches.
the huge mark bonus is 55...
The BNP part is the worst. You only get one per ESTF now. So have fun eh?
and that is 55 max once per day - per rep
But players still have a few days left to run the STFs and stock up on the BNPs - so get out there and fill those Q's!!!
STO is simply forcing us to play content that we dont like to make them look good for graphs showing how there crappy content is showing more people playing it by increasing the rewards in the crappy content..voth BZ for instance
OMG it so SUCKs to be a noob in this game now i feel so sorry for all noobs
Even worse for new noob fleets..............much worse
The only people not affected by this are the KDF....................MuaaHaaaaaaa
what a Nerf.......this is the hardest Nerf to Date.......poor Feds are now even more poor than they were............
If you dont agree or know what i am talking about............Good maybe STO doesnt know either
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Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
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till then IF this happens, have a KDf toon and do defense of the empire
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Again, Voth BZ is probably the best way to get dil in a short amount of time. For the last week I've run it eight times a day on eight separate characters. Raking in a bunch to counter the rep system
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But what if you'er not a ground toon. i prefer space in this game. and the STF's for omega was the best way. This is among THE DUMBESTS MOVES TO DATE!
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You were attacking me on my bridge. okay. (beamed you out into space.)
And 55 marks?
What the heck am I going to do with a measly 55 marks?
This is just a huge slap in the face! Who came up with this?
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This is a baldfaced lie. Unless they're adding BNPs as possible rewards from Defera then the end result will be an extreme disparity in the drop rate between BNPs and Voth Implants.
We've had BNPs as part of STFs since, what, season 7? We've had the dyson sphere since season 8.
In sixteen months I've earned about 510 BNPs from fairly consistent STF play. In four months I've earned 431 Voth Implants from sporadic dyson play.
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But it will cost you less, because you don't end up buying gear that becomes out of date eventually.
by my calculations and taking into consideration of using one of those reputation tokens on an alt (given most will have their mains already fully repped)
old system 749 marks
new system 600 marks
the new system is running just the 20 hour project ONLY
i worked out the old system by micro managing the projects to be as cost effective as i could think.
This does not include tier upgrades but under the new system that is an extra 25 marks, not sure what it is for old system.
This is purely my calculations only and should not be taken as fact as i may actually be wrong but others are welcome to confirm this.
Last year Cryptic decided to start dialing back the rate of resources accumulation in the game. They started by nerfing Tour the universe and they admitted as such. The forums raged. Cryptic's move had been met with resistance and ever since they have learned nerfs of this level are better repackaged and upsold as some great benefit to players when really they are just shuffling the numbers and days around in such a way that makes it seem better than ever at first, but works out to a major reduction in resource accumulation over the long haul. Cryptics re-branding and repackaging of the nerfs as improvements worked spectacularly; the nerf to daily bonus marks went by without hardly a hint of the rage tour the universe garnered a couple months ago. The nerf to borg neurals and marks in STF's is just the next logical step, passed off as a benefit as surely as the nerf a month or two ago was.
You have to hand it to them.
It's DOOOOM! Omg game ended it's all doomed! I'll tell ya dilithium is doomed nerf all around!!!
On topic:
There's BZ for that, and THAT gives dilithium
Agreed its an excellent source, however shouldn't a game as mature as this one have options for those who prefer space over ground at endgame?
Having just the one good way to earn a necessary resource is a tad limiting.
Some players preferred the MK X and MK XI over XII due to the much reduced costs/resources with marginal benefit to MKXII.
Now this is just rumor, since I've not seen any pics released from Tribble yet, but from what I hear, yeah, just Mk 12 even on the ground.
Don't know if that's true though. That could just be fear mongering. Still if it's true, that's a HUGE slap in the face to people who are currently only halway done getting their Mk X set.
I know right? The MK 12 stuff is so cost inefficient. And now with this nerf to marks and nerf to Dil, it'll take even longer to get any gear out of the system.
Cryptic Devs with their tiny hands, have to STOP slapping the players down!
lol yeah, this thread is full of people hilariously touting the voth BZ for all your dil needs, while blissfully unaware that they are waving a huge "NERF THIS" sign... because it is too good. it now eclipses every other method of getting dil in the entire game. you know, that dil they don't want you to be able to get easily.
So stand by BZ lovers...
Makes me wonder who makes these kind of decisions.
Oh well, I suppose i'll keep watching from the sidelines, but I have a feeling I know how this will play out like almost every other "adjustment".
This change from cryptic isn't something new of them, but it makes me wonder if they think us all foolish, as usual only time will tell but again I am on a break as it is, either way hope it works out for everyone in the end but not holding my breath.
Well said! And all of what you say is true.
For every nerf a future dev should remain unborn. :P
My character Tsin'xing
2 things I did not like:
1) Now with only Mk12 gear - there is almost zero point to get anything till T3 as it is not until T3 that you can get the second piece of any set - so no set bonuses till then.
2) These drops you mentioned - I did the whole rep on Tribble - every loot box gave a ground rifle! A ground rifle for every 20hr mission completed - yay!! Oh and although it is purple they are Mk11 and Mk 12