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Another Nerf to Dilithium generation? Nerfing Borg Stfs?

spacebaronlinespacebaronline Member Posts: 1,103 Arc User
edited April 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Added to the Dev blog last night( and no I don't think it's an April fools joke:( )

http://community.arcgames.com/en/news/star-trek-online/detail/3039033

"The chance for extra Omega Marks is being replaced by the Daily Bonus Marks that are earned for the first play of a STF (or other Omega Reputation content) per day. This large, guaranteed, lump sum of Omega Marks dwarfs all the previous potential jackpots.

The chance for extra Borg Neural Processors is being removed; however, the related costs of all reputation projects are being decreased accordingly. The end result is that Borg Neural Processors will drop at a rate similar to Voth Cybernetic Implants and the Task Force Omega reputation projects will require the same amount of these elite rewards to the Dyson Joint Command projects."

So bye bye 5 or 11 Borg processors - bye by extra marks - but hey good news!!! the equipment that you will only buy ONCE!! Has had it's cost reduced in processors!! Yay!!

Is this a Dilithium Nerf? Or am I reading it wrong?
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Some might view it as a nerf, but there are so many ways to get dilithium already. Not really an issue IMO.

    You still get a big boost of marks.
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  • spacebaronlinespacebaronline Member Posts: 1,103 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    Some might view it as a nerf, but there are so many ways to get dilithium already. Not really an issue IMO.

    You still get a big boost of marks.

    A big boost of how much?? And only one time in a 24hr period? Sounds great!! Marks never netted as much dilithium as neural processors do - and now you can only get any bonus marks once per day - sounds like a major nerf to stfs.
  • kantazo1kantazo1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I am getting the impression that the devs are trying to ruin this game with this weird changes they are making.
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  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    If there is a way to gain a significant number of BNPs like we can get Voth Cyb. Implants at the Voth Battlezone, this change won't really affect the Omega rep system in a bad way. You'll still be able to sell off BNPs if you wanted to.
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  • spacebaronlinespacebaronline Member Posts: 1,103 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    stardestroyer001 wrote: »
    If there is a way to gain a significant number of BNPs like we can get Voth Cyb. Implants at the Voth Battlezone, this change won't really affect the Omega rep system in a bad way. You'll still be able to sell off BNPs if you wanted to.

    There is NO indication that there is any way to get more than 1 BNP per run - the same as the Voth space missions give only one implant per run.
  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Remember that project costs are decreasing around the board in terms of marks. You'll have more marks to make dilithium.
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  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    spacebaronline wrote: »
    There is NO indication that there is any way to get more than 1 BNP per run - the same as the Voth space missions give only one implant per run.

    Go ground?

    The Voth Battlezone offers up to 5 VCI on a single run.
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    People need to stop shouting DOOOOOOOOOOM before something even arrives. But of course we know that's impossible here.
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  • spacebaronlinespacebaronline Member Posts: 1,103 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    Remember that project costs are decreasing around the board in terms of marks. You'll have more marks to make dilithium.

    What project costs? The project costs on my 11 toons that have finished the rep system which is also getting a nerf - er "modification"
  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    spacebaronline wrote: »
    What project costs? The project costs on my 11 toons that have finished the rep system which is also getting a nerf - er "modification"

    Project costs if you are leveling a rep.
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  • spacebaronlinespacebaronline Member Posts: 1,103 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    stardestroyer001 wrote: »
    Go ground?

    The Voth Battlezone offers up to 5 VCI on a single run.

    Right - give up something players like a lot - space STFs and force them into Ground stuff they don't like as much? Sounds good!
  • spacebaronlinespacebaronline Member Posts: 1,103 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    Project costs if you are leveling a rep.

    OK - so again these changes just hurt everyone that has finished the reps - or when they finish the reps - another good plan on player retention.
  • dongemaharudongemaharu Member Posts: 544 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    It appears to be a dil nerf, but it depends on how much this "large, guaranteed, lump sum of Omega marks" is. Sounds like it'll mean better return for people with less time to play. The more you play in a day, the less the return, if you're in it for dilithium conversion.
  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    spacebaronline wrote: »
    "The chance for extra Omega Marks is being replaced by the Daily Bonus Marks that are earned for the first play of a STF (or other Omega Reputation content) per day. This large, guaranteed, lump sum of Omega Marks dwarfs all the previous potential jackpots.

    The chance for extra Borg Neural Processors is being removed; however, the related costs of all reputation projects are being decreased accordingly. The end result is that Borg Neural Processors will drop at a rate similar to Voth Cybernetic Implants and the Task Force Omega reputation projects will require the same amount of these elite rewards to the Dyson Joint Command projects."

    ...

    Is this a Dilithium Nerf? Or am I reading it wrong?
    The way I heard this explained (was it a Priority one Podcast, maybe?), I think this is a case of the wording being a bit off. My understanding of how this works looks a little more like this: For the first play of a STF (or other Omega Reputation content) of the day, the chance for extra Omega Marks is being replaced by the Daily Bonus Marks that are earned. This large, guaranteed, lump sum of Omega Marks dwarfs all the previous potential jackpots.

    So, I believe if you run the STF a 2nd time in the same day, you still get Omega Marks, at the going rate.

    The point of Neural Processors having a good return on Dil and being eliminated is a good one. Perhaps the Daily Bonus is meant to make up for that? Only time will tell... or maybe a developer...
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  • spacebaronlinespacebaronline Member Posts: 1,103 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    dongemaharu wrote: »
    It appears to be a dil nerf, but it depends on how much this "large, guaranteed, lump sum of Omega marks" is. Sounds like it'll mean better return for people with less time to play. The more you play in a day, the less the return, if you're in it for dilithium conversion.

    I love how they use words like "dwarfs" and "large" but give no specific numbers.

    So people running a STF many times in one day will probably see a "Significant" - see I can through out words without numbers to! - Drop in total marks earned.

    Players will also definitely see a "Major" drop in Borg neural processors as they will only get 1 per run.

    I guess I am just bugged more and more as my friends list almost always shows Players "offline" these days - and I am afraid that it is only going to continue this pattern - that makes me sad - they were good people - nice people.
  • jon59650jon59650 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Just like how they said the weekly dilithium events are going to be better for us...how many times have we had that event.........?........?.....
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  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    SERIOUSLY, FOLKS!

    If what I hear is right, the marks will remain the same, EXCEPT for the 1st time you run it in a day, when you get a Daily Reward that "dwarfs" the regular reward.

    Granted, it no longer kicks out your Neural Processors, but depending on how big the reward is, this may not really matter. Especially when you consider they are supposedly adding a bulk bonus onto EACH REPUTATION.

    Go run your daily in each rep, just once each, and see how much dil you have. Then see if it is a nerf.

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  • solidneutroniumsolidneutronium Member Posts: 510 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    This reduction is just par for the course. Cryptic/PWE is saying that you're going too fast bud, slow down so we can make more money of you. Fore!
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  • spacebaronlinespacebaronline Member Posts: 1,103 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    bergins wrote: »
    SERIOUSLY, FOLKS!

    If what I hear is right, the marks will remain the same, EXCEPT for the 1st time you run it in a day, when you get a Daily Reward that "dwarfs" the regular reward.

    Granted, it no longer kicks out your Neural Processors, but depending on how big the reward is, this may not really matter. After a point, no matter where you get that dil from, you can only refine so much a day anyways.

    I don't think so - they are removing the random bonus marks altogether - so no more getting 90-115 marks potential on every run of an Elite STF.

    Sure you might get some Mythical Daily bonus 1 time that "Dwarfs" - hence my use of "Mythical" as we don't know what it is - and since you could get 100+ marks quite frequently - it would have to be 150+ marks in my mind to justify the term "Dwarfs"

    If you don't have a problem with it - that's OK - maybe others do.
  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    spacebaronline wrote: »
    I don't think so - they are removing the random bonus marks altogether - so no more getting 90-115 marks potential on every run of an Elite STF.

    Sure you might get some Mythical Daily bonus 1 time that "Dwarfs" - hence my use of "Mythical" as we don't know what it is - and since you could get 100+ marks quite frequently - it would have to be 150+ marks in my mind to justify the term "Dwarfs"

    If you don't have a problem with it - that's OK - maybe others do.

    More like 300 really. I very often get the 6 or 11 and around 100 marks.

    If true, a massive dil nerf.
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  • spacebaronlinespacebaronline Member Posts: 1,103 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    sheldonlcooper wrote: »
    More like 300 really. I very often get the 6 or 11 and around 100 marks.

    If true, a massive dil nerf.

    Yes you are correct - to make up for a player who runs it 4 or 5 times a day - then yes - 300 would be about right to make up the difference.
  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    spacebaronline wrote: »
    Yes you are correct - to make up for a player who runs it 4 or 5 times a day - then yes - 300 would be about right to make up the difference.

    Yeah it's my bread and butter. I don't have unlimited time and for my fed I actually struggle to make 8000.

    Someone was saying to sell your implants before the change - others to wait. I have been holding for the dil weekend but I can see it won't happen before the new season. Opinions?
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  • lan451lan451 Member Posts: 3,386 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Before everyone freaks out too much, remember that the Undine space battlezone is coming in S9. It gives you Undine marks and Isomorphic Injections (same thing as BNPs or Voth Implants) that you can convert into dil as well as raw dil. So even if the amount of dil being earned from STFs is lowered a bit, there's an all new space zone coming that you can earn a good amount of dil in. I've been playing around with it a bit on Tribble and it's pretty cool.
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  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    spacebaronline wrote: »
    I don't think so - they are removing the random bonus marks altogether - so no more getting 90-115 marks potential on every run of an Elite STF.
    The BONUS marks. You'll still get the baseline marks. ~60 marks, according to the wiki. That's w/out making the optional, which, according to the blog, should still get you another 25%.
    spacebaronline wrote: »
    Sure you might get some Mythical Daily bonus 1 time that "Dwarfs" - hence my use of "Mythical" as we don't know what it is - and since you could get 100+ marks quite frequently - it would have to be 150+ marks in my mind to justify the term "Dwarfs"

    If you don't have a problem with it - that's OK - maybe others do.

    ...Not to mention, they are doing this to EVERY REPUTATION. You should be able to get a Daily Reward FOUR TIMES A DAY.
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  • spacebaronlinespacebaronline Member Posts: 1,103 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    bergins wrote: »
    The BONUS marks. You'll still get the baseline marks. ~60 marks, according to the wiki. That's w/out making the optional, which, according to the blog, should still get you another 25%.



    ...Not to mention, they are doing this to EVERY REPUTATION. You should be able to get a Daily Reward FOUR TIMES A DAY.

    Right - so they remove the daily bonus 3 hour time + they remove the bonus marks that you had the chance to get EVERY time you ran the mission + they are removing the 6 or 11 Borg neural processors - and replacing it with some magical 1 time a day Bonus to marks - sounds like a major nerf to me.

    Oh wait - players could do other content that they might not want to do - just to make up the lost rewards - even better:rolleyes:
  • nesomumi2nesomumi2 Member Posts: 359 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    People need to stop shouting DOOOOOOOOOOM before something even arrives. But of course we know that's impossible here.

    experience talks tons, and we have enough experience to know what is coming behind those sweet words.

    simple said, STO is grown enough in numbers that devs. or who ever on that side feels confident enough to star nerfing income ec, dilitium, you name it. and there is absolutely NOTHING that community can do about it, as we are in small number. and they are using law of HIGH number. you know, people that play this game only on weekends, that dose not care about story, only new shiny things, and cash in every friday. those are the numbers they care fore. still thinking that this is the way to go, until the some other game comes that actually IS passiont about how game and story feels to the player, then they will remember that it is not the point to play game so you would grind it for 8h a day, but that you wont to play and enjoy the game for 2h, and that after that you are ready to pay for things you didnt have time to get to.

    people that grind for 8h a day very rarely pay for anything in this game, that is why they have time to play it, and they don't represent paying customer. but as every game firm in the world is amazed by how WoT is turning profit, every one is trying to do the same, even if they are nowhere near to be compering whit that game.

    this is a direction that STO is heading, and we can moun as long as we wont nothing will change. until they start losing money of course, but as there is little passion in dev. team about this game, when they start losing money, they will pull the plug, as many others game before.

    P.S. If any one in dev. team is pasionat about this game, they would never use Epic to describe every event that is hapening in STO. when i read those stupid e-mail that i get whit new content coming, i catch my self in thinking what word would they use when there is going to be really some EPIC content in the game. UBEREPIC...
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    spacebaronline wrote: »
    Right - so they remove the daily bonus 3 hour time + they remove the bonus marks that you had the chance to get EVERY time you ran the mission + they are removing the 6 or 11 Borg neural processors - and replacing it with some magical 1 time a day Bonus to marks - sounds like a major nerf to me.

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  • empireofsteveempireofsteve Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    nesomumi2 wrote: »
    experience talks tons, and we have enough experience to know what is coming behind those sweet words.

    simple said, STO is grown enough in numbers that devs. or who ever on that side feels confident enough to star nerfing income ec, dilitium, you name it. and there is absolutely NOTHING that community can do about it, as we are in small number. and they are using law of HIGH number. you know, people that play this game only on weekends, that dose not care about story, only new shiny things, and cash in every friday. those are the numbers they care fore. still thinking that this is the way to go, until the some other game comes that actually IS passiont about how game and story feels to the player, then they will remember that it is not the point to play game so you would grind it for 8h a day, but that you wont to play and enjoy the game for 2h, and that after that you are ready to pay for things you didnt have time to get to.

    people that grind for 8h a day very rarely pay for anything in this game, that is why they have time to play it, and they don't represent paying customer. but as every game firm in the world is amazed by how WoT is turning profit, every one is trying to do the same, even if they are nowhere near to be compering whit that game.

    this is a direction that STO is heading, and we can moun as long as we wont nothing will change. until they start losing money of course, but as there is little passion in dev. team about this game, when they start losing money, they will pull the plug, as many others game before.

    P.S. If any one in dev. team is pasionat about this game, they would never use Epic to describe every event that is hapening in STO. when i read those stupid e-mail that i get whit new content coming, i catch my self in thinking what word would they use when there is going to be really some EPIC content in the game. UBEREPIC...

    8 hours a day...I have no idea how someone can do that. Even on my days off and I have the game up I usually just leave it on while I do other things between rare missions.
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  • nesomumi2nesomumi2 Member Posts: 359 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    empireofsteve wrote: »
    8 hours a day...I have no idea how someone can do that. Even on my days off and I have the game up I usually just leave it on while I do other things between rare missions.

    i dont know to, people do it. i play around 2 to max. 3h after that im out.
  • atomictikiatomictiki Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    People need to stop shouting DOOOOOOOOOOM before something even arrives. But of course we know that's impossible here.

    Well, depending on how long you've been with Cryptic will most likely determine how realistic your view of the dev team is. They've burned a hell of a lot of bridges over the years with a lot of player unfriendly design choices.
    Leave nerfing to the professionals.
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