Well, unless I'm mistaken in STO it's possible to make males and females the same size anyway...as long as it's a playable char at least.
Though the giant ones in the First City may indicate that in case of the Gorn the females are actually the bigger species, it may not be true for all females all the time.
In any case I'd say most of us don't want a repeat of that New Who did with the female Silurians...who look like this:
...perhaps allow either males or females some additional decorative secondary colour patterns as well.
And getting around the problems with the big ones would be to say they are females who have grown for some 200+ years or so and thus "outgrown" military service.:)
I never really understand these debates. There are 100s of species on earth where, unless you are an expert, you can't tell the gender of a species just by looking at it. They only needed one model.......they defaulted on male.
I'd much rather they make Cardassians playable and put Romulans in a situation where they aren't blowing other Republic members up (even if it's Feds and Cards against Klingons and Romulans).
It just silly stuff that people try to act like there is some sort of "gender inequity" but that is completely uncalled for really.
It just silly stuff that people try to act like there is some sort of "gender inequity" but that is completely uncalled for really.
The problem is, the only IRL species we can examine are Earth's species. We have no idea what alien life would look like. In Star Trek, the only thing we can go on outside of what we've already seen is the fact that most humanoids originated from the ancient humanoids, thus will have qualities of humanoids. Certain aspects of sexual dimorphism is a quality of most humanoids, so it's a reasonable assumption that other species would have a similar form of sexual dimorphism.
I never really understand these debates. There are 100s of species on earth where, unless you are an expert, you can't tell the gender of a species just by looking at it. They only needed one model.......they defaulted on male.
I think I postulated it before, but I would like it if the smaller more intelligent Nausicaans from ENT were the females.
As for Gorn I like the 'no external difference so just copy and paste' plan.
Not all opinions in this thread want 'feminine' versions.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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I'd much rather they make Cardassians playable and put Romulans in a situation where they aren't blowing other Republic members up (even if it's Feds and Cards against Klingons and Romulans).
I agree, I love Cardassians and I always felt Romulans on the Federation side, just not right. But I doubt this will happen, the damage has been done. There are Romulans on the Fed side now and so I doubt they would force players to re-start characters or realign them by force to the KDF. Better to just make the Cardassians forced KDF aligned to start with. Maybe they were conquered by the Empire or something.
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Why forced allegiance? We all know there will be no new separate factions (whole/complete and independent) So why force a player to side with an unwanted party?
For that matter why are there not other sexes on some of the aliens, they are alien after all. So far the Andorians are the only race in the game with non standard genders.
That's novelverse supposition based on a throwaway line from TNG that could've just as easily meant Andorian marriages are polygamous.
My suggestion regarding Gorn was to give the females colored frills. It'd make the females noticeably different without changing the general shape.
I envision something like Morrowind had for Argonians. Females are pretty much less bulky with different head options.
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Not all species have obvious sexual dimorphism.
Not all species have sexes.
I think there's just a bit more potential in deferring to biology or even just culture (particularly for the Nausicans) than adding in conventional female gender options to the KDF thug species.
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Well, at least in the EU the Gorn do have males and females.
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Not all species have obvious sexual dimorphism.
Not all species have sexes.
I think there's just a bit more potential in deferring to biology or even just culture (particularly for the Nausicans) than adding in conventional female gender options to the KDF thug species.
Why though? They made females for all of the unseen Federation races? Why can't the KDF get some of that treatment too?
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Well, at least in the EU the Gorn do have males and females.
I'm sure you mean "Expanded Universe" but my first thought was "European Union." What do you mean there are female Gorn in Europe? lol. Usually I just say "Books" or "soft-canon."
Even in the books, Female Gorn are virtually indistinguishable from males except for their larger size.
While I'd love to see more races with a Female option, Gorn with TRIBBLE is not right. Unfortunately, I'd be concerned that that's exactly what Cryptic would do, to make them distinguishable from males.
Perhaps, as a start, they could just remove the gender entirely from that species, so Gorn toons are not labeled as male or female.
While I'd love to see more races with a Female option, Gorn with TRIBBLE is not right. Unfortunately, I'd be concerned that that's exactly what Cryptic would do, to make them distinguishable from males.
Well, they could make that gorn females can be higher than males, but should also have perhaps more limited phisyque options.
I'm not sure why there's even a debate here. These are fictional characters, after all. If Cryptic wants to add female Gorn 12 feet tall with 8 TRIBBLE, it's their choice, and it will be in STO canon whether we like it or not. If they want the Nausicaan species to feature 9 sexes, 8 of which look nothing like the "males" we play as now, that's their decision. If they want to keep Letheans without any sexes, but keep referring to them as "male", we can't stop them.
I guess it doesn't hurt to discuss possibilities though, but we probably should keep this into perspective.
I agree. Lately I've been hearing a lot of hate on the Letheans. Either folks think they're junk statwise, or just not interesting.
They're actually my favorite race in the KDF. I like their Traits, and to be honest I like their alien-ness. They look really cool, and their outlook is really strange. Within the KDF I almost see them as the KDF version of Vulcans. They are powerfully psionic, excellent spies, intelligent and logical but also cold and vicious. In the KDF they are looked upon with mistrust because they can hear the thoughts of those around them, but they're used for the same reason. All in all, I like my Letheans, and as a slightly outcast member of the KDF I tend to give them the strange ships that aren't exactly part of the standard Klingon fleet (Kar'fi carrier, Tholian Carrier, Tholian Science Vessel, etc). I view it like this: They gained through force, will and power what they could not gain normally, and in so doing earned their right to be part of the KDF. Klingons respect power (they fear it too), but hey that's just me.
The reason why there isn't female versions of some KDF species may simply be because of the cost to benefit analysis that MMO developers have to constantly run.
They probably looked at their metrics and saw how many people actively play the ugly female species, and probably determined the numbers were so low that it wouldn't justify development time being spent on creating more ugly females.
If you remember we got the female Reman only because you have to use zen to unlock them. If you guys are serious about having female versions of these KDF species than you'll probably all have to get together, and create a suggestion thread about them being added as a CStore pack like the Remans.
I know that might seem irritating since the male versions already exist for free, but I've seen similar threads like these for a long time now. Perhaps convincing Cryptic they can monetize the female versions of these toons will motivate them to actually create them. Because honestly creating the same threads over and over hasn't motivated Cryptic to make these female species so far.
I'm not sure why there's even a debate here. These are fictional characters, after all. If Cryptic wants to add female Gorn 12 feet tall with 8 TRIBBLE, it's their choice, and it will be in STO canon whether we like it or not. If they want the Nausicaan species to feature 9 sexes, 8 of which look nothing like the "males" we play as now, that's their decision. If they want to keep Letheans without any sexes, but keep referring to them as "male", we can't stop them.
I guess it doesn't hurt to discuss possibilities though, but we probably should keep this into perspective.
We should get them, why not? They made female Pakled, Saurian, and Tellarite for the Federation and for the Romulans they made female Reman...why shouldn't the KDF get a little more filled out without adding new races?
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Though the giant ones in the First City may indicate that in case of the Gorn the females are actually the bigger species, it may not be true for all females all the time.
In any case I'd say most of us don't want a repeat of that New Who did with the female Silurians...who look like this:
http://scifiandtvtalk.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/who625c.jpg
A very simple thing (and this quick to do) would be to give females a different spectrum of colour, something we see in animals on earth too...
http://www.birds.cornell.edu/AllAboutBirds/studyingbirdsi/painted_bunting_pair.jpg
http://adventuresintoucanland.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/sexually-dimorphic-ducks.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Male_and_female_pheasant.jpg
...perhaps allow either males or females some additional decorative secondary colour patterns as well.
And getting around the problems with the big ones would be to say they are females who have grown for some 200+ years or so and thus "outgrown" military service.:)
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I'd much rather they make Cardassians playable and put Romulans in a situation where they aren't blowing other Republic members up (even if it's Feds and Cards against Klingons and Romulans).
It just silly stuff that people try to act like there is some sort of "gender inequity" but that is completely uncalled for really.
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This. QFT.
Not all opinions in this thread want 'feminine' versions.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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I agree, I love Cardassians and I always felt Romulans on the Federation side, just not right. But I doubt this will happen, the damage has been done. There are Romulans on the Fed side now and so I doubt they would force players to re-start characters or realign them by force to the KDF. Better to just make the Cardassians forced KDF aligned to start with. Maybe they were conquered by the Empire or something.
That's novelverse supposition based on a throwaway line from TNG that could've just as easily meant Andorian marriages are polygamous.
I envision something like Morrowind had for Argonians. Females are pretty much less bulky with different head options.
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Pretty much the same thing the did for female Trandoshan in SWG.
Not all species have sexes.
I think there's just a bit more potential in deferring to biology or even just culture (particularly for the Nausicans) than adding in conventional female gender options to the KDF thug species.
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Why though? They made females for all of the unseen Federation races? Why can't the KDF get some of that treatment too?
I'm sure you mean "Expanded Universe" but my first thought was "European Union." What do you mean there are female Gorn in Europe? lol. Usually I just say "Books" or "soft-canon."
Even in the books, Female Gorn are virtually indistinguishable from males except for their larger size.
While I'd love to see more races with a Female option, Gorn with TRIBBLE is not right. Unfortunately, I'd be concerned that that's exactly what Cryptic would do, to make them distinguishable from males.
Perhaps, as a start, they could just remove the gender entirely from that species, so Gorn toons are not labeled as male or female.
Well, they could make that gorn females can be higher than males, but should also have perhaps more limited phisyque options.
I guess it doesn't hurt to discuss possibilities though, but we probably should keep this into perspective.
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Pretty much this
They probably looked at their metrics and saw how many people actively play the ugly female species, and probably determined the numbers were so low that it wouldn't justify development time being spent on creating more ugly females.
If you remember we got the female Reman only because you have to use zen to unlock them. If you guys are serious about having female versions of these KDF species than you'll probably all have to get together, and create a suggestion thread about them being added as a CStore pack like the Remans.
I know that might seem irritating since the male versions already exist for free, but I've seen similar threads like these for a long time now. Perhaps convincing Cryptic they can monetize the female versions of these toons will motivate them to actually create them. Because honestly creating the same threads over and over hasn't motivated Cryptic to make these female species so far.
We should get them, why not? They made female Pakled, Saurian, and Tellarite for the Federation and for the Romulans they made female Reman...why shouldn't the KDF get a little more filled out without adding new races?
Anyways, I'm pretty sure the rushed development of STO is why some of the KDF races are male only.
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