Refuse all you want. I like the new Gorn more. I always like stuff others don't.
Why not. While were at it lets have Jeff goldblum to do voiceover as Ian Malcolm,
and Sir Richard Attenborough as John Hammond. J.J. gorn can join the Voth in Season 8.5 Return to Jurassic park!:P
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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+1000 ... It's cliched and 'groan worthy' but I always have female only crews on my ships ... 'Coz the female of any species is always nastier and meaner than the male ...
And I know this is a Klingon thread, but my KDF aligned Rommie is also feelin' a little lonely and xenophobic, because there are only a couple of races with female BoFF candidates for her ... Unlike those smelly, weakling Feds that get dozens of female BoFF's to choose from ...
Canon-wise, if they allowed Ferengi females into the game, there should be females for Gorns, Nausicaans and Letheans.
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I've been saying this since beta. I've been told from some novelization though there might be a good reason for Nausicaans not having female characters. I don't have good proof on this, I think Memory Beta wrote something on it, but Nausicaans have like 1 female per million. She's treated like a queen, and mostly just has sex and makes babies. I'm not sure how true this is, but if that's their biology it would make sense why Females are both highly protected and don't travel about.
For Letheans and Gorn we know they're reptilian, and they might actually be able to change gender given population need.
In all though I personally have no problem with Females being allowed for any and all of these, though I think giving them 'booby bumps' in their shirts or under their scales unnecessary and silly. All three of these races are really alien and wierd. They're cool, but not like us.
Someone I played with in the early game only made Orion and Alien races kdf side because those were the only Females she should play. I think if it fits theme for females to be captains for those races then they should go forward with it. I have a feeling for Gorn and Lethean that's a definite okay (but I could be wrong), and for Nausicaan it really depends if one buys into the notion that females are 1/1,000,000 like some novel said. I'm not sure I would go with that personally, but I also wouldn't give them mammaries either. If I had to guess, I'd say Nausies are also a reptilian-like or amphibian-like race. Also, they remind me of the Predator, and always have. (To this day I want a helmet and a shoulder mounted laser)
As an aside, there is still no complete Nausicaan Armor for nausicaan players. NPC's on the other have a complete set. I've complained about this since it was released. Nausicaans can have pauldrons, breastplate, half plate, boots, and gauntlets. The differences is that a Nausicaan player can not wear the thighpads or greaves that NPC's can. Unfortunately this makes Nausicaan player armor look a little 'off'. To this day I wish they'd rectify this as the art is out there.
Perpetual's art for Nausicaan females actually looks really cool. I say to hell with some crappy soft canon out there for the race, and release them to the player base.
(My apologies to the writer of whatever set up the Nausicaans that way. I don't actually mean it as harshly there, I'm just speaking with a little rhetoric. The novel may have actually been really good, but as with most of what is deemed soft canon there is no reason it can't be ignored.)
I do for one and there are quite a few others to. Plus Letheans are reptilian so TRIBBLE would make as much sense as gorn females having them.
I agree. Lately I've been hearing a lot of hate on the Letheans. Either folks think they're junk statwise, or just not interesting.
They're actually my favorite race in the KDF. I like their Traits, and to be honest I like their alien-ness. They look really cool, and their outlook is really strange. Within the KDF I almost see them as the KDF version of Vulcans. They are powerfully psionic, excellent spies, intelligent and logical but also cold and vicious. In the KDF they are looked upon with mistrust because they can hear the thoughts of those around them, but they're used for the same reason. All in all, I like my Letheans, and as a slightly outcast member of the KDF I tend to give them the strange ships that aren't exactly part of the standard Klingon fleet (Kar'fi carrier, Tholian Carrier, Tholian Science Vessel, etc). I view it like this: They gained through force, will and power what they could not gain normally, and in so doing earned their right to be part of the KDF. Klingons respect power (they fear it too), but hey that's just me.
I am one of the players who would rather NOT see TRIBBLE on Letheans and Gorns. They're egg-layers as I would reckon it. In fact, there is a DOFF mission that expressly discusses Gorn Egg laying as part of their religion. I suspect Letheans are egg layers too. To me they're a little bit of a ripoff of the SLeestax from land of the lost, which I admit is partly why I feel this way. I also suspect they have a thermal 'pit' organ in addition to their eyes, much like pit vipers have, but that's primarily because of the strange bony wrinkly folds in their faces. (and yes, I'm one of the guys who actually still has a blue eyed lethean from before the costume changes).
With Nausicaans I think its really unclear whether they have TRIBBLE or not. If they are reptilian, ambphibious or birdlike though (even warm blooded) I'm inclined to say they don't.
On the whole topic of female possibilities for the KDF side though, I do think its a bit lacking, unless you are a Klingon.
Wait... how did we come to the conclusion that Letheans are reptilian?
All you have to do is read the description on Letheans when you go to make a character or check out STOWIKI.ORG. Basically, they are reptilian if you use in game canon, which you kind of have to since we're in the framework of in the game. :P
All you have to do is read the description on Letheans when you go to make a character or check out STOWIKI.ORG. Basically, they are reptilian if you use in game canon, which you kind of have to since we're in the framework of in the game. :P
Hmm.... "Descended from reptiles". Maybe in the same way that Betazoids are descended from salamanders? :P
I agree. Lately I've been hearing a lot of hate on the Letheans. Either folks think they're junk statwise, or just not interesting.
They're actually my favorite race in the KDF. I like their Traits, and to be honest I like their alien-ness. They look really cool, and their outlook is really strange. Within the KDF I almost see them as the KDF version of Vulcans. They are powerfully psionic, excellent spies, intelligent and logical but also cold and vicious. In the KDF they are looked upon with mistrust because they can hear the thoughts of those around them, but they're used for the same reason. All in all, I like my Letheans, and as a slightly outcast member of the KDF I tend to give them the strange ships that aren't exactly part of the standard Klingon fleet (Kar'fi carrier, Tholian Carrier, Tholian Science Vessel, etc). I view it like this: They gained through force, will and power what they could not gain normally, and in so doing earned their right to be part of the KDF. Klingons respect power (they fear it too), but hey that's just me.
I am one of the players who would rather NOT see TRIBBLE on Letheans and Gorns. They're egg-layers as I would reckon it. In fact, there is a DOFF mission that expressly discusses Gorn Egg laying as part of their religion. I suspect Letheans are egg layers too. To me they're a little bit of a ripoff of the SLeestax from land of the lost, which I admit is partly why I feel this way. I also suspect they have a thermal 'pit' organ in addition to their eyes, much like pit vipers have, but that's primarily because of the strange bony wrinkly folds in their faces. (and yes, I'm one of the guys who actually still has a blue eyed lethean from before the costume changes).
With Nausicaans I think its really unclear whether they have TRIBBLE or not. If they are reptilian, ambphibious or birdlike though (even warm blooded) I'm inclined to say they don't.
On the whole topic of female possibilities for the KDF side though, I do think its a bit lacking, unless you are a Klingon.
I made a Lethean back at launch because they looked kinda cool and I had just watched the DS9 episode with the one that fries Bashirs mind for awhile.
As for the backstory of how my Lethean came to the KDF well he was a scientist that the Federation shunned for his "radical" research so he went to the KDF with it. They gave him a job and let him be partly because they wanted his research and partly because of the whole mind reading thing.
If they made the Lethean , Gorn or Naussican females another Orion like race it would upset many including me. After all Cyrptic have the opportunity to make the non humanoid species unique and interesting in STO as they don't have to worry about things like makeup and costumes and such in a game.
It would be an injustice to these species to make them just another boring copy of humans with different stats.
But aren't you forgetting what the most prevalent and loudest subgroup of any MMO is? ... The adolescent or the Teenage Boy Brigade ...
They want bewbies ... So they be able get the (top view)B (front view) oo (side view) b ... In their screen shots ... Green ones, Reptilian ones, Bony ones, Spikey Mandibled ones ... It doesn't matter to them ...
Like it or not, agree or not, it's always been a part of MMO's and games in general, ever since the first "Chainmail Bikini" was used ... That's ultimately the loudest, though not necessarily the only, reason for female versions of any species.
More like why do people have such a fascination with putting chest parts on more species....
Because that's one of the parts that people identify as being integral in the (female) humanoid design, plain and simple. And when a humanoid doesn't have a part expected of a humanoid, it is viewed as disfigured.
Sure, there are aliens whose gimmick is to have non-humanoid features, from 3 arms/legs to large satellite ears. Some even have 3 fingers on each hand, possibly less. But those features are still within the pro-breaster's suspension of disbelief, unlike a blatant lack of mammaries.
I'm not saying it's justified, but that does seem to be a pretty accurate assessment.
But aren't you forgetting what the most prevalent and loudest subgroup of any MMO is? ... The adolescent or the Teenage Boy Brigade ...
They want bewbies ... So they be able get the (top view)B (front view) oo (side view) b ... In their screen shots ... Green ones, Reptilian ones, Bony ones, Spikey Mandibled ones ... It doesn't matter to them ...
I don't think I've actually seen anyone in this thread calling for these proposed female versions to be stripperific ala Orions outside of jest. Sure we'd expect our default crappy Klingon female armor and warrior skirts and KGH be'veS options (whenever that's fixed) to work on them, but that's just a matter of course.
Worst case, Cryptic tries to repeat what it did with the Reman females with these. While I liked how the Remans turned out, I can't see that working at all with any of these races.
I don't think I've actually seen anyone in this thread calling for these proposed female versions to be stripperific ala Orions outside of jest. Sure we'd expect our default crappy Klingon female armor and warrior skirts and KGH be'veS options (whenever that's fixed) to work on them, but that's just a matter of course.
Worst case, Cryptic tries to repeat what it did with the Reman females with these. While I liked how the Remans turned out, I can't see that working at all with any of these races.
Just because no-one has come straight out and asked for it, doesn't mean that's not what this thread is ultimately all about ... My apologies if that offends some people, but it's the honest truth. You can try and rationalize or justify it by talking about 'fairness' or 'realism' but it doesn't make the most prevalent and underlying reason any different.
I RP my toons and ships as females, with all female BoFF's ... But I personally don't have all of them running around half nekkid like some players ... My Fed toons and BoFF's all wear full Star Fleet uniforms, my Klink faction all wear full Klingon armor (yes even the Orions) Rommie's all wear rebel or RomKling uniforms ...
But, having said that, would I like to see the 'Bewb Window" armours like the Duras sisters wore for my Klingon Captain and her BoFF's? Yes, I think they'd look great in it, and I would like to be able to have some of the traits from other races as part of my FemCrews ...
Walk around ESD and see how many mini skirts and thigh high boots you see ... Or go to Qo'nos and see how many Female Orion's are running around .. .And can you honestly say that if Cryptic made a "Chainmail Bikini" for the Klingon faction, that no-one would put it on their toons?
More like why do people have such a fascination with putting chest parts on more species....
Again, as the person who started this thread, I would be perfectly content if the devs gave us Gorn, Nausicaan and Lethean female BOffs that look completely IDENTICAL to the male counterparts in those species.
Well, maybe they should have different head spikes or skin textures just to make it clear they are female ... but my main issue is with the idea that a modern species capable of space travel believes women should be stuck at home.
Even the Ferengi abandoned the idea that women are inferior by the end of DS9.
The absence of female warriors is completely counter to Klingon society that believes females can be warriors just like males. We ARE talking about the KDF here, so it's safe to believe the Gorn, Nausicaan and Lethean societies have been conquered and forced to follow laws and social orders imposed by the Klingons.
I don't care about lizard mammary glands ... but I do care about a perceived lack of gender equality in something calling itself "Star Trek."
In the immortal words of Captain Sisko: "It may not be what you believe, but that doesn't make it wrong."
Don't believe the lies in this forum. I am NOT an ARC user. I play STO on Steam or not at all.
Walk around ESD and see how many mini skirts and thigh high boots you see ... Or go to Qo'nos and see how many Female Orion's are running around .. .And can you honestly say that if Cryptic made a "Chainmail Bikini" for the Klingon faction, that no-one would put it on their toons?
I absolutely understand this argument. I do think it's unfortunate that there are so many "over-sexualized" toons in STO. I'm a father and I don't visit ESD or Qo'nos if my kids are anywhere around because I'm not comfortable with the idea of my son or my daughter thinking it's okay for people to walk around in bras and mini-skirts or bikinis when they're not on the beach.
That said, I reject any argument that says "We shouldn't have females in the game because they're going to be sexualized."
The issue I brought up is a lack of gender representation among several aliens in the game.
The issue of women being overly sexualized in STO is another matter.
In the immortal words of Captain Sisko: "It may not be what you believe, but that doesn't make it wrong."
Don't believe the lies in this forum. I am NOT an ARC user. I play STO on Steam or not at all.
Just because no-one has come straight out and asked for it, doesn't mean that's not what this thread is ultimately all about ... My apologies if that offends some people, but it's the honest truth. You can try and rationalize or justify it by talking about 'fairness' or 'realism' but it doesn't make the most prevalent and underlying reason any different.
Because that's one of the parts that people identify as being integral in the (female) humanoid design, plain and simple. And when a humanoid doesn't have a part expected of a humanoid, it is viewed as disfigured.
Sure, there are aliens whose gimmick is to have non-humanoid features, from 3 arms/legs to large satellite ears. Some even have 3 fingers on each hand, possibly less. But those features are still within the pro-breaster's suspension of disbelief, unlike a blatant lack of mammaries.
I'm not saying it's justified, but that does seem to be a pretty accurate assessment.
I see no reason to believe Gorn, Nausicaans, and Letheans would have females indistinguishable from males. They would definitely not look like typical humanoids, but Letheans and Nausicaans ARE humanoids... sort of.
Well ... yes and no ... Whilst 'intellectually' I understand that "not all men are the same",
But I've been around a long time (a very long time) and sadly (honestly) I'm forced to be realist and see that, the majority are little more than "frat boys" (Lol ... actually a little like what people are accusing Chris Pine of portraying Cpt. James T. Kirk as being)
The whole "Chainmail Bikini" argument stems from that ... Look at almost any game that has the option of user created "mods" and I guarantee, that pretty much the first thing created for it, will be a "nude" mod ... But as mentioned ... That's for another thread perhaps.
As I stated In my post, I don't particularly like the "sexification" of females is STO, or games in general, and I RP my own toons as I see them portrayed in Star Trek, that is, just as capable as males, with full equality, rights and places in society and none of toons run around in scanty outfits.
OT: One of my favourite Trek characters of all time is Majell Barrett's "Lwaxana Troi", as I loved the fact that she was beautiful, yet tough, sharp as a blade, powerful ... manipulative ... Yet still undeniably feminine and not afraid to show it, or even revel in it at times ...
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But from an 'intellectual' point of view, whilst I agree with the postees, who simply want to see equality in the races by having both sexes portrayed and playable as it is, and should be, in the Star Trek universe we all love ... I know that it won't happen without the "majority" asking for it, and I also know that the first thing the "majority" would do with a Gorn or Nausicaan female character ... Is stick a Chainmail Bikini on it:rolleyes:
Perhaps it's just as well there are no female gorn/nausicaans/letheans etc, considering all the effort Cryptic put into 'prettying up' the Remans and Romulans. I'd be in favor of female versions of all the species, but I don't really trust Cryptic far enough to handle it with any seriousness.
Perhaps it's just as well there are no female gorn/nausicaans/letheans etc, considering all the effort Cryptic put into 'prettying up' the Remans and Romulans. I'd be in favor of female versions of all the species, but I don't really trust Cryptic far enough to handle it with any seriousness.
This.
While i'm all for adding new Canon species, as well as Female versions of existing species, so far Cryptic has done a less than favorable job with this. The Remans and Jem'Hadar are a great example since they're both canon species with screentime (unlike certain females), yet some how they ended up looking nothing like they do on screen. The Caitians look good, as do the Voth and the Cardassians, yet these two just don't look like they should... At all...
Throw female Remans into that, and they look even LESS reman. I fully believe that they should add in females of all applicable species (since some don't have females) but make them as canon as possible. Don't try to make them sexy, don't just throw a few half assed options at us, but give it some actual work and effort to make them look as canon as possible.
As a side note, Please fix the TRIBBLE so they're not all stiff and awkward, as well as making the skins full body. That "Just the Head" approach is terrible.
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Why not. While were at it lets have Jeff goldblum to do voiceover as Ian Malcolm,
and Sir Richard Attenborough as John Hammond. J.J. gorn can join the Voth in Season 8.5 Return to Jurassic park!
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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And I know this is a Klingon thread, but my KDF aligned Rommie is also feelin' a little lonely and xenophobic, because there are only a couple of races with female BoFF candidates for her ... Unlike those smelly, weakling Feds that get dozens of female BoFF's to choose from ...
I've been saying this since beta. I've been told from some novelization though there might be a good reason for Nausicaans not having female characters. I don't have good proof on this, I think Memory Beta wrote something on it, but Nausicaans have like 1 female per million. She's treated like a queen, and mostly just has sex and makes babies. I'm not sure how true this is, but if that's their biology it would make sense why Females are both highly protected and don't travel about.
For Letheans and Gorn we know they're reptilian, and they might actually be able to change gender given population need.
In all though I personally have no problem with Females being allowed for any and all of these, though I think giving them 'booby bumps' in their shirts or under their scales unnecessary and silly. All three of these races are really alien and wierd. They're cool, but not like us.
Someone I played with in the early game only made Orion and Alien races kdf side because those were the only Females she should play. I think if it fits theme for females to be captains for those races then they should go forward with it. I have a feeling for Gorn and Lethean that's a definite okay (but I could be wrong), and for Nausicaan it really depends if one buys into the notion that females are 1/1,000,000 like some novel said. I'm not sure I would go with that personally, but I also wouldn't give them mammaries either. If I had to guess, I'd say Nausies are also a reptilian-like or amphibian-like race. Also, they remind me of the Predator, and always have. (To this day I want a helmet and a shoulder mounted laser)
(My apologies to the writer of whatever set up the Nausicaans that way. I don't actually mean it as harshly there, I'm just speaking with a little rhetoric. The novel may have actually been really good, but as with most of what is deemed soft canon there is no reason it can't be ignored.)
I agree. Lately I've been hearing a lot of hate on the Letheans. Either folks think they're junk statwise, or just not interesting.
They're actually my favorite race in the KDF. I like their Traits, and to be honest I like their alien-ness. They look really cool, and their outlook is really strange. Within the KDF I almost see them as the KDF version of Vulcans. They are powerfully psionic, excellent spies, intelligent and logical but also cold and vicious. In the KDF they are looked upon with mistrust because they can hear the thoughts of those around them, but they're used for the same reason. All in all, I like my Letheans, and as a slightly outcast member of the KDF I tend to give them the strange ships that aren't exactly part of the standard Klingon fleet (Kar'fi carrier, Tholian Carrier, Tholian Science Vessel, etc). I view it like this: They gained through force, will and power what they could not gain normally, and in so doing earned their right to be part of the KDF. Klingons respect power (they fear it too), but hey that's just me.
I am one of the players who would rather NOT see TRIBBLE on Letheans and Gorns. They're egg-layers as I would reckon it. In fact, there is a DOFF mission that expressly discusses Gorn Egg laying as part of their religion. I suspect Letheans are egg layers too. To me they're a little bit of a ripoff of the SLeestax from land of the lost, which I admit is partly why I feel this way. I also suspect they have a thermal 'pit' organ in addition to their eyes, much like pit vipers have, but that's primarily because of the strange bony wrinkly folds in their faces. (and yes, I'm one of the guys who actually still has a blue eyed lethean from before the costume changes).
With Nausicaans I think its really unclear whether they have TRIBBLE or not. If they are reptilian, ambphibious or birdlike though (even warm blooded) I'm inclined to say they don't.
On the whole topic of female possibilities for the KDF side though, I do think its a bit lacking, unless you are a Klingon.
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HMMM...maybe because they can't think of/about anything else...?
All you have to do is read the description on Letheans when you go to make a character or check out STOWIKI.ORG. Basically, they are reptilian if you use in game canon, which you kind of have to since we're in the framework of in the game. :P
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I made a Lethean back at launch because they looked kinda cool and I had just watched the DS9 episode with the one that fries Bashirs mind for awhile.
As for the backstory of how my Lethean came to the KDF well he was a scientist that the Federation shunned for his "radical" research so he went to the KDF with it. They gave him a job and let him be partly because they wanted his research and partly because of the whole mind reading thing.
If they made the Lethean , Gorn or Naussican females another Orion like race it would upset many including me. After all Cyrptic have the opportunity to make the non humanoid species unique and interesting in STO as they don't have to worry about things like makeup and costumes and such in a game.
It would be an injustice to these species to make them just another boring copy of humans with different stats.
They want bewbies ... So they be able get the (top view)B (front view) oo (side view) b ... In their screen shots ... Green ones, Reptilian ones, Bony ones, Spikey Mandibled ones ... It doesn't matter to them ...
Like it or not, agree or not, it's always been a part of MMO's and games in general, ever since the first "Chainmail Bikini" was used ... That's ultimately the loudest, though not necessarily the only, reason for female versions of any species.
Sure, there are aliens whose gimmick is to have non-humanoid features, from 3 arms/legs to large satellite ears. Some even have 3 fingers on each hand, possibly less. But those features are still within the pro-breaster's suspension of disbelief, unlike a blatant lack of mammaries.
I'm not saying it's justified, but that does seem to be a pretty accurate assessment.
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I don't think I've actually seen anyone in this thread calling for these proposed female versions to be stripperific ala Orions outside of jest. Sure we'd expect our default crappy Klingon female armor and warrior skirts and KGH be'veS options (whenever that's fixed) to work on them, but that's just a matter of course.
Worst case, Cryptic tries to repeat what it did with the Reman females with these. While I liked how the Remans turned out, I can't see that working at all with any of these races.
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Just because no-one has come straight out and asked for it, doesn't mean that's not what this thread is ultimately all about ... My apologies if that offends some people, but it's the honest truth. You can try and rationalize or justify it by talking about 'fairness' or 'realism' but it doesn't make the most prevalent and underlying reason any different.
I RP my toons and ships as females, with all female BoFF's ... But I personally don't have all of them running around half nekkid like some players ... My Fed toons and BoFF's all wear full Star Fleet uniforms, my Klink faction all wear full Klingon armor (yes even the Orions) Rommie's all wear rebel or RomKling uniforms ...
But, having said that, would I like to see the 'Bewb Window" armours like the Duras sisters wore for my Klingon Captain and her BoFF's? Yes, I think they'd look great in it, and I would like to be able to have some of the traits from other races as part of my FemCrews ...
Walk around ESD and see how many mini skirts and thigh high boots you see ... Or go to Qo'nos and see how many Female Orion's are running around .. .And can you honestly say that if Cryptic made a "Chainmail Bikini" for the Klingon faction, that no-one would put it on their toons?
Again, as the person who started this thread, I would be perfectly content if the devs gave us Gorn, Nausicaan and Lethean female BOffs that look completely IDENTICAL to the male counterparts in those species.
Well, maybe they should have different head spikes or skin textures just to make it clear they are female ... but my main issue is with the idea that a modern species capable of space travel believes women should be stuck at home.
Even the Ferengi abandoned the idea that women are inferior by the end of DS9.
The absence of female warriors is completely counter to Klingon society that believes females can be warriors just like males. We ARE talking about the KDF here, so it's safe to believe the Gorn, Nausicaan and Lethean societies have been conquered and forced to follow laws and social orders imposed by the Klingons.
I don't care about lizard mammary glands ... but I do care about a perceived lack of gender equality in something calling itself "Star Trek."
Don't believe the lies in this forum. I am NOT an ARC user. I play STO on Steam or not at all.
I absolutely understand this argument. I do think it's unfortunate that there are so many "over-sexualized" toons in STO. I'm a father and I don't visit ESD or Qo'nos if my kids are anywhere around because I'm not comfortable with the idea of my son or my daughter thinking it's okay for people to walk around in bras and mini-skirts or bikinis when they're not on the beach.
That said, I reject any argument that says "We shouldn't have females in the game because they're going to be sexualized."
The issue I brought up is a lack of gender representation among several aliens in the game.
The issue of women being overly sexualized in STO is another matter.
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I see no reason to believe Gorn, Nausicaans, and Letheans would have females indistinguishable from males. They would definitely not look like typical humanoids, but Letheans and Nausicaans ARE humanoids... sort of.
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But I've been around a long time (a very long time) and sadly (honestly) I'm forced to be realist and see that, the majority are little more than "frat boys" (Lol ... actually a little like what people are accusing Chris Pine of portraying Cpt. James T. Kirk as being)
The whole "Chainmail Bikini" argument stems from that ... Look at almost any game that has the option of user created "mods" and I guarantee, that pretty much the first thing created for it, will be a "nude" mod ... But as mentioned ... That's for another thread perhaps.
As I stated In my post, I don't particularly like the "sexification" of females is STO, or games in general, and I RP my own toons as I see them portrayed in Star Trek, that is, just as capable as males, with full equality, rights and places in society and none of toons run around in scanty outfits.
OT: One of my favourite Trek characters of all time is Majell Barrett's "Lwaxana Troi", as I loved the fact that she was beautiful, yet tough, sharp as a blade, powerful ... manipulative ... Yet still undeniably feminine and not afraid to show it, or even revel in it at times ...
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But from an 'intellectual' point of view, whilst I agree with the postees, who simply want to see equality in the races by having both sexes portrayed and playable as it is, and should be, in the Star Trek universe we all love ... I know that it won't happen without the "majority" asking for it, and I also know that the first thing the "majority" would do with a Gorn or Nausicaan female character ... Is stick a Chainmail Bikini on it:rolleyes:
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This.
While i'm all for adding new Canon species, as well as Female versions of existing species, so far Cryptic has done a less than favorable job with this. The Remans and Jem'Hadar are a great example since they're both canon species with screentime (unlike certain females), yet some how they ended up looking nothing like they do on screen. The Caitians look good, as do the Voth and the Cardassians, yet these two just don't look like they should... At all...
Throw female Remans into that, and they look even LESS reman. I fully believe that they should add in females of all applicable species (since some don't have females) but make them as canon as possible. Don't try to make them sexy, don't just throw a few half assed options at us, but give it some actual work and effort to make them look as canon as possible.
As a side note, Please fix the TRIBBLE so they're not all stiff and awkward, as well as making the skins full body. That "Just the Head" approach is terrible.
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