There is a fact that a few problems exist with the party amplifier, such as over-riding actions and emotes (Despite the description saying otherwise). It is a fact that the party ball "forces" action on another (Would you like it if I smoked in your face and forced you to smell it? Some like it, some don't.) and no matter how you try to justify it, you're still a jerk for doing it--mostly when you repeat the action in the same spots. ACCIDENTS DO HAPPEN after all.
It is also a fact A LOT of people are upset about it. However, in the end, this is CRYPTIC's decision. You may think it's smart, or you may think it's dumb as all hell, but it is still up to them. :rolleyes:
For now there are long-term solutions.
=============================
Stopping Visuals:
Reduce Physical Debris count
Turn VFX to low
Reduce bloom (To get rid of the bright shine on the party ball)
All except the last option have no effect on the standard model graphics and lighting. This will also completely remove party items (including Fire Extinquisher, Excluding Party Ball). You can further dig into your own VFX card control panel to disable specific rendering VFX functions.
You can also put these options into binds for instant switching.
Stopping Animation:
"/movementreset" available for every five minutes, good for isolated incidents and only good against single party amplifiers provided you do not move consistently. Also bindable.
Keep the exchange window/bank or whatever window open, don't close it, walk away and now you're constantly typing instead of dancing. You will also ignore party amplifier affects (including newly placed ones). This window can easily be disabled by any other interaction, but also easy to turn back on.
=============================
I also want to thank other users for the help in finding anti-amplifier actions. This has discouraged a lot of abusers over the last few days.
However, I really want to hear what CRYPTIC intend to do/not do about this obviously growing situation. I think enough ideas (despite the unnecessary bias) have come up and about that we should probably here from the Dragon's mouth. I think this is what we should be focusing on--What will CRYPTIC do/not do?
To dance, or not to dance. You now have the choice. :P
It is also a fact A LOT of people are upset about it. However, in the end, this is CRYPTIC's decision. You may think it's smart, or you may think it's dumb as all hell, but it is still up to them. :rolleyes:
You say that there are a LOT of people upset about it, but there is no real evidence of this. It seems to be the same 3-4 people and their alt accounts that tend to make these threads every day. The vast majority of people who post in these threads do so to tell the OP that they are being silly. Yet these people still craft a new thread every day even after every thread gets deleted. These are not the actions of a healthy mind.
I don't always feel like endlessly grinding for hours with little to gain from it. But when I do, I choose Star Trek Online
I don't think it's fair to characterize everyone who uses a party amp as a troll.
I also don't think it's fair to insinuate that only a handful of people and their alts don't like them.
Fact is, the disco ball does have some legitimate uses for groups of people who want to dance more or less in sync.
I don't make a big fuss about them, but I do find them annoying. I challenge either side to produce metrics that say how many people do or don't find them annoying.
Go on, I'll wait. Meanwhile, please stop stirring things up.
My views may not represent those of Cryptic Studios or Perfect World Entertainment. You can file a "forums and website" support ticket here Link: How to PM - Twitter @STOMod_Bluegeek
You say that there are a LOT of people upset about it, but there is no real evidence of this. It seems to be the same 3-4 people and their alt accounts that tend to make these threads every day. The vast majority of people who post in these threads do so to tell the OP that they are being silly. Yet these people still craft a new thread every day even after every thread gets deleted. These are not the actions of a healthy mind.
Maybe it's just a fact on my personal experience by talking to other people? Who knows? Maybe it's all those logs on pastebin? Maybe. Your assumption is a lot less likely factual just based on appearances alone. Can you scratch it as a high plausibility instead of a fact? Of Course! Now, if you don't mind, please remain constructive and remain on-topic instead of trying to poke holes. :P
You can talk to me in-game about these experiences if you wish.
I like to use the party amp, personally. I stated that people who used them in the same spots, on the same people, on purpose are jerks. I don't like sterotyping--and I'll actually go be productive and provide some information! LETS GO!
Yet these people still craft a new thread every day even after every thread gets deleted.
These threads get closed because a few individuals can't resist trolling and flaming other posters in them. Let's get that clear.
There's nothing wrong with people posting their personal opinions about the party gear. They are allowed to do it, as long as they follow the forum rules.
Speaking as a mod, I am sick of closing them and/or issuing warnings. Annoying the mods is probably not a wise plan.
If people would simply state their own opinions and quit trying to pick apart everyone else's, we'll all get along much better.
My views may not represent those of Cryptic Studios or Perfect World Entertainment. You can file a "forums and website" support ticket here Link: How to PM - Twitter @STOMod_Bluegeek
Maybe it's just a fact on my personal experience by talking to other people? Who knows? Maybe it's all those logs on pastebin? Maybe. Your assumption is a lot less likely factual just based on appearances alone. Can you scratch it as a high plausibility instead of a fact? Of Course! Now, if you don't mind, please remain constructive and remain on-topic instead of trying to poke holes. :P
You can talk to me in-game about these experiences if you wish.
I like to use the party amp, personally. I stated that people who used them in the same spots, on the same people, on purpose are jerks. I don't like sterotyping--and I'll actually go be productive and provide some information! LETS GO!
I'm actually excited you offered this, Bluegeek.
"Being productive" - is that your euphemism for using a known glitch to try and suicide bomb people on Drozana for daring to use a party amp? Say what you will about supporters of freedom and disco, at least we don't violate the ToS and abuse broken game mechanics to express our salty, salty rage.
"Being productive" - is that your euphemism for using a known glitch to try and suicide bomb people on Drozana for daring to use a party amp? Say what you will about supporters of freedom and disco, at least we don't violate the ToS and abuse broken game mechanics to express our salty, salty rage.
Woh woh woh--un-needed. Wow. You have an issue--PLEASE contact me in game or a gm! This isn't the place! :eek:
Woh woh woh--un-needed. Wow. You have an issue--PLEASE contact me in game or a gm! This isn't the place! :eek:
Nor is a social zone a proper place to set innocents on fire with spider-bombs strapped to your face. And yet you would have us believe that you are a noble defender of the downtrodden, and that people who enjoy using the party tools exactly how they were designed are the "jerks."
It sheds light on the man making the argument. No amount of pious hand-wringing on the forums will make you the good guy or hide the fact that you are the problem, not the people having some harmless fun.
Nor is a social zone a proper place to set innocents on fire with spider-bombs strapped to your face. And yet you would have us believe that you are a noble defender of the downtrodden, and that people who enjoy using the party tools exactly how they were designed are the "jerks."
It sheds light on the man making the argument.
And anyone can ask me about it in game, or make a private message. Throwing this thread off topic is not needed. OH! And don't mind Skitters. He hitches a ride now and then by accident.
For the rest! Time will be needed to gather these links, OR perhaps just make a couple threads for signatures for those that "Do Not Like" and those that "Do Like". Though my argument is not necessarily for the ones that do like the party amplifier, it's the ones that don't like it. Heck--I really liked the permanent disco ball idea--but alas.
I'd say massively increase their price. Make it a 1000 dil a ball and you'd see a lot less of them. If someone really wants it they'll pay it otherwise you won't see them.
And anyone can ask me about it in game, or make a private message. Throwing this thread off topic is not needed. OH! And don't mind Skitters. He hitches a ride now and then by accident.
Nice of you to admit violating the TOS in writing on the official forums.
Now, as for metrics on who creates these threads, I'd be happy to get right on that as soon as all of the threads are undeleted so we can examine the evidence.
I don't always feel like endlessly grinding for hours with little to gain from it. But when I do, I choose Star Trek Online
Nice of you to admit violating the TOS in writing on the official forums.
Now, as for metrics on who creates these threads, I'd be happy to get right on that as soon as all of the threads are undeleted so we can examine the evidence.
Hes a my pet elachi spider! He doesn't explode--silly billy! :rolleyes: I named him skitters--cause it's cute--but that is getting off-topic.
However, un-deleting the threads may be a stretch. Getting a simple like/dislike thread going could actually prove more beneficial--and quicker. Though the fear remains it may be thrown way off-topic or closed.
The Question is-- will it be worth it? Will Cryptic actually take it into consideration?
And anyone can ask me about it in game, or make a private message. Throwing this thread off topic is not needed. OH! And don't mind Skitters. He hitches a ride now and then by accident.
For the rest! Time will be needed to gather these links, OR perhaps just make a couple threads for signatures for those that "Do Not Like" and those that "Do Like". Though my argument is not necessarily for the ones that do like the party amplifier, it's the ones that don't like it. Heck--I really liked the permanent disco ball idea--but alas.
Petitions are against the PWE ToS. But wait! Your in-game profile is quite specific in that you don't respond to NoP, Dentals, or Wesley, yet here you are flaming away. You can't even follow your own rules, is it any surprise you can't follow PWE's?
For the record, petitions are not allowed so no one will be allowed to poll here to find their "metrics".
The point is, neither side knows the answer nor will they.
My views may not represent those of Cryptic Studios or Perfect World Entertainment. You can file a "forums and website" support ticket here Link: How to PM - Twitter @STOMod_Bluegeek
Petitions are against the PWE ToS. But wait! Your in-game profile is quite specific in that you don't respond to NoP, Dentals, or Wesley, yet here you are flaming away. You can't even follow your own rules, is it any surprise you can't follow PWE's?
Ummm... I'm flaming? And I said I could be civil in game. Also, they are -my- words in -my- biography, so please don't be discouraged in trying to contact me. Having an open mind is very important you know! And I wasn't asking for a petition. It's more like feedback. Feedback is important too!
Now...
Should we, or should we not get this thread for a more directed feedback on the Party Amplifier is the question? What are your thoughts? Will it just be thrown around too much? See, that is the key thing I'm debating on. The measure of constructive feedback versus deconstructive that has been displayed on the forums lately is something to be weighed, of course.
For the record, petitions are not allowed so no one will be allowed to poll here to find their "metrics".
The point is, neither side knows the answer nor will they.
Blah. Well, could of just said so for us. Gave my hopes up. Though it would be true given there are remaining fractions that don't even glance at the forums.
All this aside, I am not quite sure why my proposal hasn't been addressed. Not only does it keep power within the players themselves, through a series of votes and councils, many differing voices can have a say and have it addressed in a civil and timely matter.
Is it a little hierarchical? Yes. Is it complicated? Absolutely. Will it be 100% effective? Possibly not, but it is more practical, and more doable -- in my humble opinion -- than demanding the devs to go into the game and design some client-side toggle for players. I'm asking people to take some initiative and be a little proactive here, and I know that's difficult to fathom as it's much more comfortable complaining into a forum all day long (and getting ignored for over half a year). If people aren't willing to meet others halfway, then I'm going to have to conclude that people really aren't that interested in finding practical solutions to problems, but only want people to appease their demands no matter how unreasonable or unrealistic they are.
We do have the temporary options of using the consoles to avoid party amplifiers al-together, or using "/movementreset" for singular incidents. Your proposal wasn't something that I preferred, though I'm interested what others think. Many different minds prefer many different things after all.
All this aside, I am not quite sure why my proposal hasn't been addressed. Not only does it keep power within the players themselves, through a series of votes and councils, many differing voices can have a say and have it addressed in a civil and timely matter.
Is it a little hierarchical? Yes. Is it complicated? Absolutely. Will it be 100% effective? Possibly not, but it is more practical, and more doable -- in my humble opinion -- than demanding the devs to go into the game and design some client-side toggle for players. I'm asking people to take some initiative and be a little proactive here, and I know that's difficult to fathom as it's much more comfortable complaining into a forum all day long (and getting ignored for over half a year). If people aren't willing to meet others halfway, then I'm going to have to conclude that people really aren't that interested in finding practical solutions to problems, but only want people to appease their demands no matter how unreasonable or unrealistic they are.
Honestly I think a client side graphics toggle is the only thing cryptic is ever going to do about this. not that I think that even that needs to be done.
Honestly I think a client side graphics toggle is the only thing cryptic is ever going to do about this. not that I think that even that needs to be done.
It's a puzzle. I personally like how CoX did it. Was an NPC you talked to, and you chose what affected you for buffs. So IE: in this example, you could be affected by sexy dance moves and not snowballs. Maybe something like that perhaps?
All this aside, I am not quite sure why my proposal hasn't been addressed. Not only does it keep power within the players themselves, through a series of votes and councils, many differing voices can have a say and have it addressed in a civil and timely matter.
Is it a little hierarchical? Yes. Is it complicated? Absolutely. Will it be 100% effective? Possibly not, but it is more practical, and more doable -- in my humble opinion -- than demanding the devs to go into the game and design some client-side toggle for players. I'm asking people to take some initiative and be a little proactive here, and I know that's difficult to fathom as it's much more comfortable complaining into a forum all day long (and getting ignored for over half a year). If people aren't willing to meet others halfway, then I'm going to have to conclude that people really aren't that interested in finding practical solutions to problems, but only want people to appease their demands no matter how unreasonable or unrealistic they are.
No offense, but I find it improbable that your proposal was serious, so I didn't respond to it.
Can't see Cryptic putting something like that to a vote in-game. If it came to that, I would expect them to remove them entirely before they implemented such a system.
And I don't think it likely that they will remove them entirely.
My views may not represent those of Cryptic Studios or Perfect World Entertainment. You can file a "forums and website" support ticket here Link: How to PM - Twitter @STOMod_Bluegeek
No offense, but I find it improbable that your proposal was serious, so I didn't respond to it.
Can't see Cryptic putting something like that to a vote in-game. If it came to that, I would expect them to remove them entirely before they implemented such a system.
And I don't think it likely that they will remove them entirely.
Well... even the seemingly silliest of ideas can sometimes hide very constructive tools. That is likely how Party amplifiers were started in the first place.
It's a puzzle. I personally like how CoX did it. Was an NPC you talked to, and you chose what affected you for buffs. So IE: in this example, you could be affected by sexy dance moves and not snowballs. Maybe something like that perhaps?
Actually, I was thinking something along the lines of an addition to the options menu. A brief description with an on or off like the other menu options. That way, if I feel like partying, I just leave the toggle off, where as if I go to a place like Vlugta and would rather mine than be a really goofy version of Tony Manero, pop into options menu, hit the on switch.
Et viola!
Criticism, while never agreeable, is necessary. It is like pain in the body. It brings attention to an unhealthy state of things---Winston Churchill
Maybe in addition to having the switch, the party amplifiers could also be enabled during combat? You could re-enact that Christmas-in-the-World-War-1-trenches story!
They're not really gone, as long as we remember them
Down wuth the troll toys of all kinds and the Devs who make them too
1 should be disabled the the other given real work to do
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
A switch server side is entirely possible. This was introduced in CoX (City of Heroes and Villains) as a NPC that you would talk to for options, since graphical options and preferences are saved Client Side and not Server Side.
I believe it is the game prefs file located in your STO directory. And a server side switch may only get rid of your character's ability to react to over-riding animations, and not the graphical effects that occur due to these abilities. Though, these are only educated guesses.
As I said, for now we have /movementreset and opening a console window and shrinking it (which will cause you to type instead of dance).
Comments
It is also a fact A LOT of people are upset about it. However, in the end, this is CRYPTIC's decision. You may think it's smart, or you may think it's dumb as all hell, but it is still up to them. :rolleyes:
For now there are long-term solutions.
=============================
Stopping Visuals:
Reduce Physical Debris count
Turn VFX to low
Reduce bloom (To get rid of the bright shine on the party ball)
All except the last option have no effect on the standard model graphics and lighting. This will also completely remove party items (including Fire Extinquisher, Excluding Party Ball). You can further dig into your own VFX card control panel to disable specific rendering VFX functions.
You can also put these options into binds for instant switching.
Stopping Animation:
"/movementreset" available for every five minutes, good for isolated incidents and only good against single party amplifiers provided you do not move consistently. Also bindable.
Keep the exchange window/bank or whatever window open, don't close it, walk away and now you're constantly typing instead of dancing. You will also ignore party amplifier affects (including newly placed ones). This window can easily be disabled by any other interaction, but also easy to turn back on.
=============================
I also want to thank other users for the help in finding anti-amplifier actions. This has discouraged a lot of abusers over the last few days.
However, I really want to hear what CRYPTIC intend to do/not do about this obviously growing situation.
To dance, or not to dance. You now have the choice. :P
You say that there are a LOT of people upset about it, but there is no real evidence of this. It seems to be the same 3-4 people and their alt accounts that tend to make these threads every day. The vast majority of people who post in these threads do so to tell the OP that they are being silly. Yet these people still craft a new thread every day even after every thread gets deleted. These are not the actions of a healthy mind.
I also don't think it's fair to insinuate that only a handful of people and their alts don't like them.
Fact is, the disco ball does have some legitimate uses for groups of people who want to dance more or less in sync.
I don't make a big fuss about them, but I do find them annoying. I challenge either side to produce metrics that say how many people do or don't find them annoying.
Go on, I'll wait. Meanwhile, please stop stirring things up.
Link: How to PM - Twitter @STOMod_Bluegeek
Maybe it's just a fact on my personal experience by talking to other people? Who knows? Maybe it's all those logs on pastebin? Maybe. Your assumption is a lot less likely factual just based on appearances alone. Can you scratch it as a high plausibility instead of a fact? Of Course! Now, if you don't mind, please remain constructive and remain on-topic instead of trying to poke holes. :P
You can talk to me in-game about these experiences if you wish.
I like to use the party amp, personally. I stated that people who used them in the same spots, on the same people, on purpose are jerks. I don't like sterotyping--and I'll actually go be productive and provide some information! LETS GO!
I'm actually excited you offered this, Bluegeek.
These threads get closed because a few individuals can't resist trolling and flaming other posters in them. Let's get that clear.
There's nothing wrong with people posting their personal opinions about the party gear. They are allowed to do it, as long as they follow the forum rules.
Speaking as a mod, I am sick of closing them and/or issuing warnings. Annoying the mods is probably not a wise plan.
If people would simply state their own opinions and quit trying to pick apart everyone else's, we'll all get along much better.
Link: How to PM - Twitter @STOMod_Bluegeek
"Being productive" - is that your euphemism for using a known glitch to try and suicide bomb people on Drozana for daring to use a party amp? Say what you will about supporters of freedom and disco, at least we don't violate the ToS and abuse broken game mechanics to express our salty, salty rage.
Shutup Wesley: First In Everything
Woh woh woh--un-needed. Wow. You have an issue--PLEASE contact me in game or a gm! This isn't the place! :eek:
Nor is a social zone a proper place to set innocents on fire with spider-bombs strapped to your face. And yet you would have us believe that you are a noble defender of the downtrodden, and that people who enjoy using the party tools exactly how they were designed are the "jerks."
It sheds light on the man making the argument. No amount of pious hand-wringing on the forums will make you the good guy or hide the fact that you are the problem, not the people having some harmless fun.
Shutup Wesley: First In Everything
And anyone can ask me about it in game, or make a private message. Throwing this thread off topic is not needed. OH! And don't mind Skitters. He hitches a ride now and then by accident.
For the rest! Time will be needed to gather these links, OR perhaps just make a couple threads for signatures for those that "Do Not Like" and those that "Do Like". Though my argument is not necessarily for the ones that do like the party amplifier, it's the ones that don't like it. Heck--I really liked the permanent disco ball idea--but alas.
Nice of you to admit violating the TOS in writing on the official forums.
Now, as for metrics on who creates these threads, I'd be happy to get right on that as soon as all of the threads are undeleted so we can examine the evidence.
I just said skitters likes to hitch a ride?
http://postimg.org/image/5wlez2s1x/
Hes a my pet elachi spider!
However, un-deleting the threads may be a stretch. Getting a simple like/dislike thread going could actually prove more beneficial--and quicker. Though the fear remains it may be thrown way off-topic or closed.
The Question is-- will it be worth it? Will Cryptic actually take it into consideration?
Petitions are against the PWE ToS. But wait! Your in-game profile is quite specific in that you don't respond to NoP, Dentals, or Wesley, yet here you are flaming away. You can't even follow your own rules, is it any surprise you can't follow PWE's?
Shutup Wesley: First In Everything
The point is, neither side knows the answer nor will they.
Link: How to PM - Twitter @STOMod_Bluegeek
Ummm... I'm flaming? And I said I could be civil in game. Also, they are -my- words in -my- biography, so please don't be discouraged in trying to contact me. Having an open mind is very important you know!
Now...
Should we, or should we not get this thread for a more directed feedback on the Party Amplifier is the question? What are your thoughts? Will it just be thrown around too much? See, that is the key thing I'm debating on. The measure of constructive feedback versus deconstructive that has been displayed on the forums lately is something to be weighed, of course.
Blah. Well, could of just said so for us. Gave my hopes up.
We do have the temporary options of using the consoles to avoid party amplifiers al-together, or using "/movementreset" for singular incidents. Your proposal wasn't something that I preferred, though I'm interested what others think. Many different minds prefer many different things after all.
My character Tsin'xing
It's a puzzle.
No offense, but I find it improbable that your proposal was serious, so I didn't respond to it.
Can't see Cryptic putting something like that to a vote in-game. If it came to that, I would expect them to remove them entirely before they implemented such a system.
And I don't think it likely that they will remove them entirely.
Link: How to PM - Twitter @STOMod_Bluegeek
Well... even the seemingly silliest of ideas can sometimes hide very constructive tools. That is likely how Party amplifiers were started in the first place.
Actually, I was thinking something along the lines of an addition to the options menu. A brief description with an on or off like the other menu options. That way, if I feel like partying, I just leave the toggle off, where as if I go to a place like Vlugta and would rather mine than be a really goofy version of Tony Manero, pop into options menu, hit the on switch.
Et viola!
Rayzee
excellentawesome#4589
torgaddon101
raeat
My character Tsin'xing
Down wuth the troll toys of all kinds and the Devs who make them too
1 should be disabled the the other given real work to do
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
I believe it is the game prefs file located in your STO directory. And a server side switch may only get rid of your character's ability to react to over-riding animations, and not the graphical effects that occur due to these abilities. Though, these are only educated guesses.
As I said, for now we have /movementreset and opening a console window and shrinking it (which will cause you to type instead of dance).