I would be pleased if the devs would take the time to fix the post-reputation system Honor Guard armor appearance unlocks, I believe that's been a long, long, long time coming (pretty sure it's at least been a year now?). Not having access to things you spend a lot of time and dilithium to gain is ever disappointing. There's still a lengthy thread on it being bumped every so often in the bug report forum.
I'm personally all for more appearance options for the KDF, more Klingon outfits, more generic outfits and parts, more non-spiked boot options.
I've been happy that the KDF have gotten more missions to fill the gaps with the last few major updates, but I won't say no to more KDF-specific missions...
every klingon player is glad for new kligon ship - mogh, but need to say, it was just needed move to offset fed avenger.
I think it is time for some more kligon counterparts to otehr fed ships (or soem with unique abilities) - first come to min is klingon version of delta shutle - by many best shutle in game now (and no i dont want it nerfed).
There are quite a few things that come to my mind and respectfully, the delta shuttle wasn't one of them. For example, let me list just a few: the Negh'var refit we've been told was in the works for a year and then some, the K'vort the playerbase has been asking for, Feresan, ships, Gorn Ships, lethean ships, more Klingon costumes (more TNG and TOS varieties), better color palettes for our costume pieces, more hair and boot options, more Klingon missions, etc.
Sociology, anthropology, AND psychology? You're an academically recognized expert in all these fields, I take it? Then why...? Oh, I see, you made no mention of a mathematics proficiency, that's why this nonsense sounds right to you. In order to understand the ratio of herders to warriors let's do the math. How many men would one sheep feed? For the sake of dealing with less zeroes, let's be conservative and say five. How many sheep can one herder take care of? Again lets be conservative and say ten, a nice, round, number. Look at that. Seems like for every 50 men, we only need one herder. This would seem contrary to your logic. I guess if you went to war, you'd have five people herding one sheep, just in case some died on the way, right? But wait, the more herders you bring, the more mouths you have to feed! What a conundrum!
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well lets do mome math - one sheep for 5 mens - HOW MANY DAYS ? lets say 1...how fast they reproduce and how many ofsprings they usualy have ? how fast they mature ? surely, lets do some math and lets count numbers say for 2 years campign for 20k man army. And what about cooks ? and others which prepare meal for them ? true, warriers can prepare food for themslef, but you know if they prepare meal they dont fight, and if they fight...they will starve ?
A violent, hegemonic, race of conquerors, has farmers!
I'm no historian, but I believe there are real-life examples of violent, hegemonic societies that had farmers. TRIBBLE Germany had farmers, Imperial Japan had farmers--I'm sure there are others.
Whatever, Ace. All I'm saying is Klink farmers are a stupid idea.
Humanity has both conquerors and farmers. Is it so hard to believe that an alien culture might have the same breadth and diversity that human culture has?
I think its past time for the Devs to focus on the other races of the Empire and create ships for the Ferasin, Leathean and possibly an actual alien vessel.
As well I would love to see some of the KDF faction racial ships used by NPCs recreated for player use.
After all those Klingon farmers dont have time to protect themselves.
So....you think that live food and fresh meat just spontaneously generates out of thin air? Or does it arrive on the same truck you apparently think ALL food comes on...
seriously, look ye at the Klingon Diet-it takes skill to keep a meat animal alive in captivity long enough to serve it to the officer's mess on a long voyage-and stopping at every planet you come to to let it out and graze just isn't a workable concept.
It's not like the Klinks can spontaneously generate live animals for slaughter out of thin air-their tech may be good, but even Replicator food comes already dead. The Klingons, if anything, probably have a larger percentage of the population doing farming than the Feds, just because of what they EAT.
Indeed on all points, Patrick. After all, there's nothing worse than half-dead racht.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Indeed on all points, Patrick. After all, there's nothing worse than half-dead racht.
Maybe its the drgs but I am reminded of a person who gave me and a frend TRIBBLE at a local store recently about our having spent the day hunting.
She was very upset that we where hunting wild game for food as oppossed to just buying our meat in a store where no animals where harmed.......
Maybe its the drgs but I am reminded of a person who gave me and a frend TRIBBLE at a local store recently about our having spent the day hunting.
She was very upset that we where hunting wild game for food as oppossed to just buying our meat in a store where no animals where harmed.......
Lol, yeah... :P It never ceases to amaze me where people think meat comes from. Even worse are those who get grossed out at the thought of eating things that grow in dirt... :P
Ambassador Kell didn't seem to mind eating replicator food. And actually, now that you mention it, why is a large Klingon transport, that is outfitted as a targ ark, that can beam targs down onto a planet to graze, then beam them all back aboard, and warp to a resupply rendezvous, not a workable concept? Looks like you just torpedoed the pro-farmer argument of having to have a herder for every warrior, whenever the Klinks go viking. Now we're talking planet sized targ preserves, that pretty much run themselves. Congratulations! That didn't even occur to me. Klink farmers sound completely non-sensical now!
How many crew would your "targ ark" require? :P they'd basically BE ranchers... as would anyone who tended to the targs planetside.
Oh and Kell was a traitor. I think the scene with him eating a banquet of replicated food was related to that. It was to show him doing something characteristically un-Klingon.
Wasn't this thread about the need for more KDF ships?
Anyways, I think they confirmed that there is another ship coming around the timeframe of the Anniversary. Now this could be just the free ship or maybe there is c-store variant. Maybe there could be an additional ship unrelated to it.
Personally, I am looking for:
1) Enhanced BoP with greater utility or survivability or more firepower
or
2) Destroyer or Heavy Destroyer with battlecloak and lower turn rate
or
3) Science ship or science / raptor combination ... or something really freaky
Please, for the love of God, no more battlecruisers. I think all we have gotten in so many years is battlecruisers. Enough!
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Well if that leaked picture was real.... it'd be a Mogh variant. But... we don't really know. Also, that's just the outside. there's no indication as to stats at all.
Minimal crew for ship operations, and enough to work the transporters. Staffed by underperforming warriors, skulkers, and cowards. That's the beauty of it. It's a game preserve, there doesn't need to be anybody planetside. It's like the Spanish did when they seeded all those islands in the south pacific with pigs. (I probably shouldn't have made that analogy, as I'm sure now some hammerhead is gonna take umbrage with me, and wanna give me a history lesson on the Spanish empire, or argue that targs and pigs are fundamentally different, and due to the ecology of the targ this isn't possible) Klingon raider group heads out for some ****, and a little mayhem, carries off whatever isn't nailed down, Meets up with the ark for a nice, fresh, raw, meal.
Yeah, Kell was a collaborator, I got that sense from that scene, too. Point is, he ate it. I'm sure Worf has probably eaten replicator food at some point, too. I think most Klingons would prefer dead, replicated, meat, over vegetables dug from the dirt. Ask any soldier if he'd rather eat MREs or a restaurant quality, gourmet meal in the field, and see what he answers.
Well, the Spanish idea with pigs was an ecological disaster.... but it was sort of effective... :P
One thing to remember though is that live food needs to be tended to, at least a little bit... Also... the ship would have to be freighter sized to carry enough targs. This size of ship would necessitate a relatively large crew.
Anyways, my take is that Klingons PREFER fresh meat. They seem to think of replicated food in the same way we'd think of freeze dried soup. :P thus it gets reserved for use "in case of emergency".
If anything add a new rom ship too. Klinks arent the only ones on the d-list. Just saying roms arent just a fraction, were a FACTION. Without roms DS9 battle woulda been lost. Without romuoans against the original Scimitar the Enterprise woulda ben nuked to hell. Just sayun fhe roms had a lot of authority in a s treks
The boss being a gigantic Winter Epohh Researcher. As you lay waste to the Epohh Horde, she can occasionally cry out things like, "Didn't you want an Epohh friend?"
Anyways, my take is that Klingons PREFER fresh meat. They seem to think of replicated food in the same way we'd think of freeze dried soup. :P thus it gets reserved for use "in case of emergency".
Yes, they can still eat your burned, replicated bird meat.
Well if that leaked picture was real.... it'd be a Mogh variant. But... we don't really know. Also, that's just the outside. there's no indication as to stats at all.Well, the Spanish idea with pigs was an ecological disaster.... but it was sort of effective... :P
To me it looked like an altered Vet Destroyer.
Given how "creative" Cryptic can get in that regard I'm expecting the same as the Vet ship only with more science than engineering consoles.
Since there are KDF and RR player who'd like to see a science vessel it's the perfect opportunity for another tac ship.:rolleyes:
One thing to remember though is that live food needs to be tended to, at least a little bit... Also... the ship would have to be freighter sized to carry enough targs. This size of ship would necessitate a relatively large crew.
Anyways, my take is that Klingons PREFER fresh meat. They seem to think of replicated food in the same way we'd think of freeze dried soup. :P thus it gets reserved for use "in case of emergency".
And that's only after they've been grown and collected planetside. It's also more space effective to have them in controlled herds than have wild targs running around.
There's also something else to consider: spices.
We know Klingons have and use them, they also have stuff like "grapok sauce".
Herbs used to produce this stuff also need to be grown, cultivated, hervested and processed. And in some cases they need to be bred for proper characteristscs like tastes, which requires knowledge in...okay we all know what it takes. They kept pestering me with Mendel's inheritance rules in school too much to have me reat them here.
So in that context alone farmes of sorts make sense since...well you can hardly hunt herbs or prevent unwanted pollination unless you grow them in controlled environments.
I took the liberty of going through the footage from "Sleeping Dogs" to see what kind of food the Klingons eat...and unless they've got animals that resemble cabbage and zucchini they're eating vegetables too.
And those vegetables must have been grown somewhere.
It also accured to me that producing coffee (Raktajino) without any kinds of farms and without anyone to pluck the stuff and process it is...well...pretty much painfully stupid.
*EDIT: also what about wine? unless it's literal blood wine it needs to be grown somewhere as well
and even if it's fermented blood with sugar like the ST cook book states...where the heck is the refined sugar supposed to come from? Are the animals super-diabetic and it's all blood sugar?/*
slave labour is not just fundamentally inefficient, but it's also a guaranteed security breach-people who fight as much as tH'lingans do, wouldn't maintain a built-in-weakness like relying on slaves for something as vital as food-while that might've worked in the eras of swords-and-sandals, it doesn't work to support an industrial economy capable of building starships-much less capable of building starships in sufficient quantity to have individuals and individual Houses able to afford them in the manner of the Empire.
This is another interesting argument. I am a bit skeptical about the historicizing that is going on here. For example you conveniently under represent the British-American slave trade, which although it didn't last, was a relatively stable system, by dealing with the situation in only the context of the civil war. Many plantation households left much of the food preparation to slave labor with relatively few repercussions per capita (That being said, historian Herbert Aptheker's research did reveal around 250 slave revolts in US and colonial historical records). A Slave vs. Free state dialectical argument is an outmoded historical device -- a vestige of Kantian philosophy. I would imagine with some more digging we could find some more stable slave-bearing societies. Because they admittedly would no longer exist, is it therefore the case that they are inherently too unstable to survive?
I do agree that any logical and long-term "big game" thinking people would likely tend to shy away from forced labor. And I wonder where this assumption that Klingons would hold on to this model is in fact coming from?
Certainly such accusations are levied at the Klingons throughout the original series.
In TOS "Errand of Mercy" Kirk describes the inevitable Klingon occupation and Klingons by saying, "The Klingons are a military dictatorship. War is their way of life. Life under the Klingon rule would be very unpleasant." And then he continues, "I have seen what the Klingons do to planets like yours. They are organized into vast slave labor camps. No freedoms whatsoever. Your goods will be confiscated. Hostages taken, killed. Your leaders confined. Be far better off on a penal planet."
And from Kor, himself, he says, "You are now subjects of the Klingon Empire. You'll find there are many rules and regulations. They will be posted. Violation of the smallest of them
will be punished by death." And then continues, "We Klingons have a reputation for ruthlessness. You will find that it is deserved. Should one Klingon soldier be killed,
a thousand Organians will die. I will have order. Is that clear?"
Although Kor does not organize the Organians into slave labor camps (Although he does order no more than 3 people assemble at any time and that "hostages [are] taken" and it is unclear for how long, who they are or what the purpose of holding these people is), and there are no more depictions of a colonized Klingon world in the original series, this is likely the origin of these perceptions. Whether Kirk is portraying a non-biased image of Klingon Life is debatable. In TOS "Day of the Dove" some of these assumptions are placed as suspect.
In the episode Kang attempts to take Kirk and crew on as "prisoners," but Checkov protests saying, "Cossacks! Filthy Klingon murderers! You killed my brother Piotre. The Archanis Four research outpost. A hundred peaceful people massacred!" We later learn from Sulu that Chekov doesn't have a brother, so it is not clear whether this is an accurate account. But more interesting is the Klingon perception of Humans from this episode. In the opening scene Kang makes a statement "We wondered when you would begin [sneak attacks]." This could be interpreted that the Klingons expected Federation duplicity because they would do so themselves, or simply because their perception of the Federation is negative due to bias or propaganda (likely both). After they are captured Kang's wife Mara adds, "What will they do to us? I've heard of their atrocities, their death camps. They will torture us for our scientific and military information."
"Day of the Dove" Is a very telling episode in this regard, because in stripping away the Klingon's perceptions of the violence of the Federation, it also undermines our perception of the Klingon's violence. From an interpretive standpoint it is perhaps inconclusive, because we don't know if these are actual perceptions of the Klingons, or if they are paranoia and violence induced by the alien entity, but it still provides some grounds to question whether Klingons would have slaves.
Second is the issue of retcon, some examples of this include Kirk's line from TWOK "Klingons don't take prisoners" and Worf's line "Klingons don't take hostages" from TNG "Heart of Glory" both of which contradict Errand of Mercy's initial description of Klingons. If Klingons don't take prisoners it is hard to have a slave labor force. The issue is further complicated by Rura Penthe, which clearly shows Klingon prisoners. I found this similar question in Memory Alpha's page on Rura Penthe:
"In a 2009 audio commentary for The Undiscovered Country, former Star Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine writing staffer Ira Steven Behr criticized the concept of Rura Penthe's dilithium mining facility in Star Trek VI's era, remarking, 'I like, you know, the whole concpt of having these mines in the future. Where they have replicators and everything else, basically, why you'd need guys... Just to make them suffer, I guess [....] It would be better... I'm sure they could mine whatever they're mining quicker using their 24th century [sic] tech than having a bunch of dopey, starving prisoners do it.'"
I find the question of Klingon slaves unlikely, but obviously cannon is a bit ambiguous on the matter. Klingons seem a bit arrogant, boastful and ethnocentric. I would imagine relying on slaves would be a blow to their egos. But conversely, they might be the type that take pride in subjecting others. I open this issue up to further debate and consideration.
qultuq, hope you don't mind if I hop in for a moment but there's a tiny bit I'd like to add that has been misinterpreted about Kir's quote in Sar Trek 2 ever since the film came out:
Yes he says "The Klingons don't take prisoners.", but look at the context:
SAAVIK: Any suggestions, Admiral?
KIRK: Prayer, Mister Saavik. The Klingons don't take prisoners. Lights!
He and his landing party were taken prisoner in "Day of the Dove" and Kang threatened to torture Kirk and his crew to death.
He does not mean prayer because the Klingons don't take prisoners but because they do take prisoners and he knows how Klingons can treat them.
We need a targ handling kit for our ground gameplay.
As well we now need a Targ Frieghter four times the size of the VoQ woth high hull and armor plating (hands of my food) that has its only offensive capability of beaming large packs of rabid starving Targs aboard the enemy ships to run amok and kill the crew.
There's also something else to consider: spices.
We know Klingons have and use them, they also have stuff like "grapok sauce".
Herbs used to produce this stuff also need to be grown, cultivated, hervested and processed. And in some cases they need to be bred for proper characteristscs like tastes, which requires knowledge in...okay we all know what it takes. They kept pestering me with Mendel's inheritance rules in school too much to have me reat them here.
So in that context alone farmes of sorts make sense since...well you can hardly hunt herbs or prevent unwanted pollination unless you grow them in controlled environments.
Seems legit. I'd imagine that's part of what all those lands the Houses own are for. Raising/hunting Targ and growing stuff to cook it with.
Lol, Klingon warriors are already hyped about getting into the mix. You do not have to run them lean to keep them mean.
Food preparation onboard a ship by the kitchens is a matter of pride and the better the meals the happier the crews. Klingons dont sit around half starving themselves on MREs.
We need a targ handling kit for our ground gameplay.
As well we now need a Targ Frieghter four times the size of the VoQ woth high hull and armor plating (hands of my food) that has its only offensive capability of beaming large packs of rabid starving Targs aboard the enemy ships to run amok and kill the crew.
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I'm personally all for more appearance options for the KDF, more Klingon outfits, more generic outfits and parts, more non-spiked boot options.
I've been happy that the KDF have gotten more missions to fill the gaps with the last few major updates, but I won't say no to more KDF-specific missions...
There are quite a few things that come to my mind and respectfully, the delta shuttle wasn't one of them. For example, let me list just a few: the Negh'var refit we've been told was in the works for a year and then some, the K'vort the playerbase has been asking for, Feresan, ships, Gorn Ships, lethean ships, more Klingon costumes (more TNG and TOS varieties), better color palettes for our costume pieces, more hair and boot options, more Klingon missions, etc.
No, he is evil and I often catch him plotting with the furbies.
R.I.P
I'm no historian, but I believe there are real-life examples of violent, hegemonic societies that had farmers. TRIBBLE Germany had farmers, Imperial Japan had farmers--I'm sure there are others.
Humanity has both conquerors and farmers. Is it so hard to believe that an alien culture might have the same breadth and diversity that human culture has?
As well I would love to see some of the KDF faction racial ships used by NPCs recreated for player use.
After all those Klingon farmers dont have time to protect themselves.
R.I.P
Indeed on all points, Patrick. After all, there's nothing worse than half-dead racht.
Maybe its the drgs but I am reminded of a person who gave me and a frend TRIBBLE at a local store recently about our having spent the day hunting.
She was very upset that we where hunting wild game for food as oppossed to just buying our meat in a store where no animals where harmed.......
R.I.P
My character Tsin'xing
Oh and Kell was a traitor. I think the scene with him eating a banquet of replicated food was related to that. It was to show him doing something characteristically un-Klingon.
My character Tsin'xing
Anyways, I think they confirmed that there is another ship coming around the timeframe of the Anniversary. Now this could be just the free ship or maybe there is c-store variant. Maybe there could be an additional ship unrelated to it.
Personally, I am looking for:
1) Enhanced BoP with greater utility or survivability or more firepower
or
2) Destroyer or Heavy Destroyer with battlecloak and lower turn rate
or
3) Science ship or science / raptor combination ... or something really freaky
Please, for the love of God, no more battlecruisers. I think all we have gotten in so many years is battlecruisers. Enough!
- Judge Aaron Satie
One thing to remember though is that live food needs to be tended to, at least a little bit... Also... the ship would have to be freighter sized to carry enough targs. This size of ship would necessitate a relatively large crew.
Anyways, my take is that Klingons PREFER fresh meat. They seem to think of replicated food in the same way we'd think of freeze dried soup. :P thus it gets reserved for use "in case of emergency".
My character Tsin'xing
To me it looked like an altered Vet Destroyer.
Given how "creative" Cryptic can get in that regard I'm expecting the same as the Vet ship only with more science than engineering consoles.
Since there are KDF and RR player who'd like to see a science vessel it's the perfect opportunity for another tac ship.:rolleyes:
And that's only after they've been grown and collected planetside. It's also more space effective to have them in controlled herds than have wild targs running around.
There's also something else to consider: spices.
We know Klingons have and use them, they also have stuff like "grapok sauce".
Herbs used to produce this stuff also need to be grown, cultivated, hervested and processed. And in some cases they need to be bred for proper characteristscs like tastes, which requires knowledge in...okay we all know what it takes. They kept pestering me with Mendel's inheritance rules in school too much to have me reat them here.
So in that context alone farmes of sorts make sense since...well you can hardly hunt herbs or prevent unwanted pollination unless you grow them in controlled environments.
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1010x568q90/706/9ph0.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1010x568q90/706/1du2.jpg
And those vegetables must have been grown somewhere.
It also accured to me that producing coffee (Raktajino) without any kinds of farms and without anyone to pluck the stuff and process it is...well...pretty much painfully stupid.
*EDIT: also what about wine? unless it's literal blood wine it needs to be grown somewhere as well
and even if it's fermented blood with sugar like the ST cook book states...where the heck is the refined sugar supposed to come from? Are the animals super-diabetic and it's all blood sugar?/*
This is another interesting argument. I am a bit skeptical about the historicizing that is going on here. For example you conveniently under represent the British-American slave trade, which although it didn't last, was a relatively stable system, by dealing with the situation in only the context of the civil war. Many plantation households left much of the food preparation to slave labor with relatively few repercussions per capita (That being said, historian Herbert Aptheker's research did reveal around 250 slave revolts in US and colonial historical records). A Slave vs. Free state dialectical argument is an outmoded historical device -- a vestige of Kantian philosophy. I would imagine with some more digging we could find some more stable slave-bearing societies. Because they admittedly would no longer exist, is it therefore the case that they are inherently too unstable to survive?
I do agree that any logical and long-term "big game" thinking people would likely tend to shy away from forced labor. And I wonder where this assumption that Klingons would hold on to this model is in fact coming from?
A quick search on Memory Alpha's selection on slavery turns up nothing conclusive to the Klingon case (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Slavery)
Certainly such accusations are levied at the Klingons throughout the original series.
In TOS "Errand of Mercy" Kirk describes the inevitable Klingon occupation and Klingons by saying, "The Klingons are a military dictatorship. War is their way of life. Life under the Klingon rule would be very unpleasant." And then he continues, "I have seen what the Klingons do to planets like yours. They are organized into vast slave labor camps. No freedoms whatsoever. Your goods will be confiscated. Hostages taken, killed. Your leaders confined. Be far better off on a penal planet."
And from Kor, himself, he says, "You are now subjects of the Klingon Empire. You'll find there are many rules and regulations. They will be posted. Violation of the smallest of them
will be punished by death." And then continues, "We Klingons have a reputation for ruthlessness. You will find that it is deserved. Should one Klingon soldier be killed,
a thousand Organians will die. I will have order. Is that clear?"
http://www.voyager.cz/tos/epizody/28errandofmercytrans.htm
Although Kor does not organize the Organians into slave labor camps (Although he does order no more than 3 people assemble at any time and that "hostages [are] taken" and it is unclear for how long, who they are or what the purpose of holding these people is), and there are no more depictions of a colonized Klingon world in the original series, this is likely the origin of these perceptions. Whether Kirk is portraying a non-biased image of Klingon Life is debatable. In TOS "Day of the Dove" some of these assumptions are placed as suspect.
In the episode Kang attempts to take Kirk and crew on as "prisoners," but Checkov protests saying, "Cossacks! Filthy Klingon murderers! You killed my brother Piotre. The Archanis Four research outpost. A hundred peaceful people massacred!" We later learn from Sulu that Chekov doesn't have a brother, so it is not clear whether this is an accurate account. But more interesting is the Klingon perception of Humans from this episode. In the opening scene Kang makes a statement "We wondered when you would begin [sneak attacks]." This could be interpreted that the Klingons expected Federation duplicity because they would do so themselves, or simply because their perception of the Federation is negative due to bias or propaganda (likely both). After they are captured Kang's wife Mara adds, "What will they do to us? I've heard of their atrocities, their death camps. They will torture us for our scientific and military information."
http://www.chakoteya.net/startrek/66.htm
"Day of the Dove" Is a very telling episode in this regard, because in stripping away the Klingon's perceptions of the violence of the Federation, it also undermines our perception of the Klingon's violence. From an interpretive standpoint it is perhaps inconclusive, because we don't know if these are actual perceptions of the Klingons, or if they are paranoia and violence induced by the alien entity, but it still provides some grounds to question whether Klingons would have slaves.
Second is the issue of retcon, some examples of this include Kirk's line from TWOK "Klingons don't take prisoners" and Worf's line "Klingons don't take hostages" from TNG "Heart of Glory" both of which contradict Errand of Mercy's initial description of Klingons. If Klingons don't take prisoners it is hard to have a slave labor force. The issue is further complicated by Rura Penthe, which clearly shows Klingon prisoners. I found this similar question in Memory Alpha's page on Rura Penthe:
"In a 2009 audio commentary for The Undiscovered Country, former Star Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine writing staffer Ira Steven Behr criticized the concept of Rura Penthe's dilithium mining facility in Star Trek VI's era, remarking, 'I like, you know, the whole concpt of having these mines in the future. Where they have replicators and everything else, basically, why you'd need guys... Just to make them suffer, I guess [....] It would be better... I'm sure they could mine whatever they're mining quicker using their 24th century [sic] tech than having a bunch of dopey, starving prisoners do it.'"
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Rura_Penthe
I find the question of Klingon slaves unlikely, but obviously cannon is a bit ambiguous on the matter. Klingons seem a bit arrogant, boastful and ethnocentric. I would imagine relying on slaves would be a blow to their egos. But conversely, they might be the type that take pride in subjecting others. I open this issue up to further debate and consideration.
Yes he says "The Klingons don't take prisoners.", but look at the context:
SAAVIK: Any suggestions, Admiral?
KIRK: Prayer, Mister Saavik. The Klingons don't take prisoners. Lights!
He and his landing party were taken prisoner in "Day of the Dove" and Kang threatened to torture Kirk and his crew to death.
He does not mean prayer because the Klingons don't take prisoners but because they do take prisoners and he knows how Klingons can treat them.
As well we now need a Targ Frieghter four times the size of the VoQ woth high hull and armor plating (hands of my food) that has its only offensive capability of beaming large packs of rabid starving Targs aboard the enemy ships to run amok and kill the crew.
R.I.P
Seems legit. I'd imagine that's part of what all those lands the Houses own are for. Raising/hunting Targ and growing stuff to cook it with.
Food preparation onboard a ship by the kitchens is a matter of pride and the better the meals the happier the crews. Klingons dont sit around half starving themselves on MREs.
R.I.P
@Qultuq; Exhibit A Exhibit B
My character Tsin'xing