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New Raider Mechanics...Lookin' good, but be careful.
torvinecho25
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Just posting some feedback on the new Raider mechanics (announced w/ the Plesh Brek) for the Devs to (maybe) see, and also getting a forum out there for others to voice there opinions.
To be quite honest, I'm really happy to see that Raiders as a class are finally being looked at. The "flanking" damage buff that they are receiving will go a *long* way towards bringing KDF Birds-of-Prey back into the game. The Hoh'Sus, Norgh, and B'rel Birds-of-Prey are getting a massive boost with this new mechanic, and will hopefully give the KDF a competitive edge (FINALLY!).
Just a few words of concern I wanted to express...first off, aside from the Plesh Brek, will any Romulan ships be able to use this mechanic (namely, the T'Varo)? As Romulan ships get a huge decloaking bonus (from Romulan Battle Cloak AND Romulan/Reman BoFFs) to begin with, I'm *very* concerned that a Romulan Raider w/ the new flanking bonus could be incredibly overpowered. As a faction, Romulans are arguably a little overpowered as it is, and granting Romulan Raiders the flanking mechanic on top of other boosts they already have would make them ungodly.
I'm *sincerely* hoping that the Federation faction does NOT gain access to the new flanking bonus (Plesh Brek aside, of course). This new mechanic would be best kept exclusive to KDF Raiders; the KDF have long since been underpowered, and honestly the faction has only been kept alive via the hard effort of a few dedicated KDF'ers. Giving the KDF a faction-exclusive flanking bonus would go miles towards buffing the faction, and would certainly give players a valid reason to create a KDF character.
Let the Federation players whine and cry; KDF have had less to work with for years. Its high time they got the edge for once.
To be quite honest, I'm really happy to see that Raiders as a class are finally being looked at. The "flanking" damage buff that they are receiving will go a *long* way towards bringing KDF Birds-of-Prey back into the game. The Hoh'Sus, Norgh, and B'rel Birds-of-Prey are getting a massive boost with this new mechanic, and will hopefully give the KDF a competitive edge (FINALLY!).
Just a few words of concern I wanted to express...first off, aside from the Plesh Brek, will any Romulan ships be able to use this mechanic (namely, the T'Varo)? As Romulan ships get a huge decloaking bonus (from Romulan Battle Cloak AND Romulan/Reman BoFFs) to begin with, I'm *very* concerned that a Romulan Raider w/ the new flanking bonus could be incredibly overpowered. As a faction, Romulans are arguably a little overpowered as it is, and granting Romulan Raiders the flanking mechanic on top of other boosts they already have would make them ungodly.
I'm *sincerely* hoping that the Federation faction does NOT gain access to the new flanking bonus (Plesh Brek aside, of course). This new mechanic would be best kept exclusive to KDF Raiders; the KDF have long since been underpowered, and honestly the faction has only been kept alive via the hard effort of a few dedicated KDF'ers. Giving the KDF a faction-exclusive flanking bonus would go miles towards buffing the faction, and would certainly give players a valid reason to create a KDF character.
Let the Federation players whine and cry; KDF have had less to work with for years. Its high time they got the edge for once.
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butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
Odan Brota (Science Officer): Captain of a 28k DPS Scryer Intel Science Vessel, U.S.S. Kepler
Patiently waiting for a Romulan Science Vessel
"...I might agree..."
LOL. Thanks for your consideration.
. . . or maybe a lump of coal to sit on and fume over for a couple of weeks. Dont worry, after everyone is done huffing and puffing Im sure it will become a friggin diamond!
I'm happy the KDF is getting some love. Feds have our 'faction exclusive' carriers, a 5 fore weapon ship, a cloak (which you really shouldnt have at all) and now you have access to another 'faction exclusive' raider class that has a higher flank bonus than the KDF side, 5 tact consoles AND an extra Boff station over the BoPs. And its still not enough?! *sigh*
This TRIBBLE makes me want to randomly fire on every Federation Toon I see.
Thats just how it goes.
I would simply ask what exclusive mechanic do the Feds have? Not numbers of players or numbers of ships (most of which are unneeded), but mechanic? The Atrox? KDF gets for free and has frigate pets, making the Vo'quv fully superior to the Atrox. The Avenger (which was a surprise to everyone)? We've all seen the leaks about the Mogh now, right, with everything the Avenger can do plus built-in cloaking? Cruisers? Vorcha beats Assault Cruiser and Gal-X, Mirror Vorcha beats Star Cruiser, Negh'var beats Gal-R, Kamarag beats Ambassador....
There seems to be this blind hatred of other factions because....why? So much stuff where the KDF has technical superiority and things that don't even HAVE a counterpart elsewhere, and yet still this victim complex. There's lots of emotion and grudges over the KDF not having as many story missions, but these days what logical reason is there for such hostility?
My Tor'kaht outclasses my Gal-X in every way. My Sci Ning'taoi pulls stuff my Vesta could only dream of. My Vo'quv is so perfectly built I didn't even other spending money on an Atrox. What good reason is there to be so vindictively hostile and petty?
Well, Fed side doesn't really have a ton of unique/exclusive because they kept demanding the things kdf had, they should have as well. Its been a sore point to kdf for a very, very long time. We just want that uniqueness back; Which, the raider buff gives a small bit of it back.
Of course, after much qq, we'll probably see a fed equivilant to a raider class down the road in 2014.
Seems to have happened without his agreement anyway.
Aren't these the ships that I see doing these "multiple buff-up-decloak-alpha-strike-one-shotting" people in PvP, then cloaks and sits.... waiting for the the next Fed victim???
Sorry, but I must be playing the wrong game. If there are players out there that think BoP's need a boost. Then I would encourage you have a senior Klingon veteran re-educate you on how to fly a BoP the right way.
R.I.P
Demanding homogeneity across factions and professions is the equivalent of demanding that mages should be allowed to wield double axes and wear plate armour. Or demanding that dark elves should be able to use holy spells. Etc. etc.
Make sure you wipe your tears first, or you might have trouble hitting them...
Those where Romulans...
and if you are popping to every Raider that decloaked on you in Kerrat then may I suggest you find a veteran fed cruiser pilot to teach you how to survive.
R.I.P
This. All my this.
Lol, cloaks suck, and every fed ship that comes with a cloak sucks. :P
Sorry, been here since beta, and well before Romulans have been released. Putting a senior level Klink in a BoP that knows what their doing can easily one shot people. Nevertheless, PvP is broken in this game anyway....
That 10% of the PvP community just went down to 5%.
Yeah, Ill get right onto making a zombie build so I can do zero damage. All in an effort to simply survive 1, maybe 2 alpha strikes simultaneously.
Kiddies want exclusive toys, especialy ones that are superior to the other kids toys. It is really pathetic in a sad sort of way.
"I'm drunk, whats your excuse for being an idiot?" - Unknown drunk man. :eek:
Been here since closed beta and I can count those One-shot BoP pilots on the fingers of one hand. If a fed dies that easily they are inexperienced to pvp and fighting BoPs, especially now that AtB cruisers rule the roost and double taps have been nerfed.
R.I.P
Because it's not as if Science players for all three factions just got shafted in favor of PewPew.
But the Feds never had anything unique to take in turn did they, yet somehow its the Fed players fault for not having anything worth stealing? Just the bland boring standard stuff. I mean if we want to go down that road, then wouldn't that justify the Fed players that get angry about "why do the Klingons get all the cool toys and we get the Gal-R, that only seems to be useful as a target?" but I doubt you intended to justify those players (and some of them do get pretty annoying). Alternately we could add a huge number of new game mechanics (unlikely, but for the sake of argument), Klingons getting a whole bunch that the Feds don't get, but also the Feds getting a whole bunch the Klingons don't get. I think we all know how that'd end on all sides though.
Cripes given my preference for the Klingon ships I'd love to be able to identify more with the KDF faction, the disciplined dignity of guys like Martok or Klag. But when it seems 80% of the posts are either whines about The Feds with little logical backing but lots of scapegoating because of Dev decisions (that the players had little to do with), victimhood, and loud-mouth trash-talking, feels more like the faction of Kargan and Nu'daq.
You get a bunch of crying on both sides. It doesn't hurt though that KDF got no new c-store ships for nearly 2 years and every other faction got new ( Can understand a bunch of new for Rom though. ) I mean geesh, feds got 2x 5 fores before KDF even got 1.
This is coming from someone thats played a ton on both sides of the fence though. For a while I couldn't play kdf anymore because there was just so little there on kdf side in terms of newness and shiny. I did end up going back to my kzin-wannabe kitty.
I don't pvp anymore, haven't in a long time. But in pve, which is a vast majority of the game, I rarely ever, ever, ever see BoP or Raptor used. Ever. Raider buff will at least make the ship-line more tasty towards the majority to get them to use it in pve at least.
Actually, comments like yours would make my Orions ashamed of being KDF-aligned. LOL!
butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
Feds do not need a unique game mechnaic. Why? Because they already have SO many ships, SO much gear, and SO many advantages that it isn't funny. Where is the KDF 5-fore-weapon escort? Where is the KDF carrier-science-vessel? Where is the KDF 5-fore 3-aft Battlecruiser?
Can I remind the cry-baby Feds that carriers, flight-deck carriers, and Battlecruisers were OUR (KDF) mechanics, yet the Feds took all three. The Feds now have the Atrox, they have the Armitage/Vesta, and they have the Avenger. The KDF have "nothing" unique to them whatsoever anymore, as the Federation has been given EVERY advantage the KDF has, and then some. This new Raider mechanic *finally* gives the KDF a single edge to hold against both the Federation AND the Romulans. Its pretty much the *only* edge the KDF gets, but its an edge nonetheless, and I will be *very*, *very* upset with Cryptic if it is given to the Federation outside of the Plesh Brek.
As for the Federation console-less cloak...the day Cryptic gives the Federation an inbuilt cloak is the day I take my several thousand dollar gaming budget to the competition. A Federation Cloak is not even canon outside of the Defiant and the Galaxy X, and in canon, these cloaks are inferior to those of the Romulans. Giving the cloak to the Avenger was pushing it; giving inbuilt, consoleless cloaks to any of these three (particularly the Defiant, who has the most to gain from an inbuilt cloak) would be un-canon and unfair.
KDF players have *no* problem with the new Raider mechanic. Romualans (for the most part) don't have a major problem with it, either, as it simply gives the KDF a similuar edge to the one Romulans have enjoyed since that factions release. The only player group that has a major problem with the new mechanic is, of course, the Federation, who seems to think they are entitled to every single new advantage in STO.
I'm glad to here the Romulans/Fed won't be getting this new mechanic, and props to Cryptic for throwing it out there. I'll be gearing up my BoPs ASAP
NOT quite the right analogy, personally. Also, if you make a drow xG in align (whether L/N/C), they CAN use "holy" spells. Just an FYI.
Oh, and in some game systems, mages can do just that, wear any armour and weild whatever weaponry they choose. Lol.
Personally, though, the Klin primary players demand uniqueness. Ok, I'd be for that. What do you want to give up, so the Fed side can be unique as well?
butcher suspect, "What'd you hit me with?"
Temperance Brennan, "A building"
...what?
You're thinking of Romulans here. Its a valid point, but you're using it in the entirely wrong instance. ROMULANS, yes, can one-shot. KDF BoPs generally cannot.
Even a highly-skilled KDF BoP pilot has a *very* difficult time one-shotting anything these days, especially with rampant Aux2Batt and Shield Tanking on Fed-side. Really the only thing a KDF BoP can currently one-shot is a poorly geared ship, or a newer player. The only way to take down most other Fed ships is with a lucky crit (and those are *very* rare indeed).
I'm sure you could come up with the right analogy.
As far as increasing uniqueness, supposedly the Federation with all their science ships. The problem being is that Science ships are subpar.
Considering Cruisers got their buff and the Raider class got this one, a Science ship improvement should be in the queue somewhere.
Unique things for Fed?
What, you got tired of your Andorian Escorts, Avenger Battlecruisers, Vesta Reconnaissance Vessels, Runabout-class hanger pets, "super-healer" Galaxy/Star Cruisers, Armitage HECs, 5 tactical console Defiants/Prommys, and last and not least, massive amount of extra content that KDF doesn't have?