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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    starswordc wrote: »
    The way I read it, Sisko commands the station but he reports to an admiral managing Starfleet's regional operations (e.g. Nechayev).

    I could understand a commander/captain being incharge of it until the worm hole then the Dominion on the other side of it. I equate that station these days to any Starbase.
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  • nickcastletonnickcastleton Member Posts: 1,212 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    if they could tie titles into the game better i would stick with captain and then in missions i would be acknowledged as such.

    i think the biggest problem is that yes lvl wise your a vice admiral but why cant we choose what people call us is the problem (one of my characters has captain pips and i Rp him as such but i hate when it reads "good day Vice admiral")
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  • feiqafeiqa Member Posts: 2,410 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    if they could tie titles into the game better i would stick with captain and then in missions i would be acknowledged as such.

    i think the biggest problem is that yes lvl wise your a vice admiral but why cant we choose what people call us is the problem (one of my characters has captain pips and i Rp him as such but i hate when it reads "good day Vice admiral")

    This is only a mild one to me. (Though when they call you rear admiral, lower half I cringe.) Even though properly the form of address should be just Admiral.
    I can see they have had setup for promoting your officers to captain for a while. But when I try it just says I am not allowed. :(

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  • captwcaptw Member Posts: 492 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    guess you never watched Star Trek: The Motion Picture (I wouldn't blame you if you didn't) or Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, both times Kirk took command of the Enterprise and he was an Admiral, hell in the third one he stole the Enterprise... then blew it up, at least the Klingons did get to hold the Enterprise for a few minutes.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    Yes, it is. Eventually, the devs will realize this and do something. But we need to remind them from time to time, I guess.

    They will do something by making Admiral mean something. They also might introduce Rank Selection so npcs would address you as Master Chef.
  • starsider32485starsider32485 Member Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Eh, I've always looked at it that we're the 5% of flag officers who actually do something, unlike the other 95% who sit back and wait for the Enterprise or whoever to save the day...and then yell at them for it.
  • admrenlarreckadmrenlarreck Member Posts: 2,041 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    How about this set

    Level 1- 9 Ensign
    10 - 19 Lt Junior Grade
    20 - 29 Lt
    30 - 39 Lt Commander
    40 - 49 Commander
    50 Captain

    This would at least keep the rank structure in game in line with what was seen in the Shows.
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    captw wrote: »
    guess you never watched Star Trek: The Motion Picture (I wouldn't blame you if you didn't) or Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, both times Kirk took command of the Enterprise and he was an Admiral, hell in the third one he stole the Enterprise... then blew it up, at least the Klingons did get to hold the Enterprise for a few minutes.

    Star trek I, Kirk conned his way into it. For over 2 years previously he'd been star fleet's chief of operations.

    Star trek II: again he was merely a passenger when Star fleet ordered him to Regulus. Infact he didn't want to take command of the ship in the first place, he just told Spock to get him there. Spock told him to take over since it was combat duty and Spock was a better teacher than combat officer.

    Star Trek III: well ofcourse kirk stole the enterprise. Why he was demoted in 4.
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    captw wrote: »
    guess you never watched Star Trek: The Motion Picture (I wouldn't blame you if you didn't) or Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, both times Kirk took command of the Enterprise and he was an Admiral, hell in the third one he stole the Enterprise... then blew it up, at least the Klingons did get to hold the Enterprise for a few minutes.

    Bad example. Kirk's a loose cannon anyway and, as talonxv pointed out, there were extenuating circumstances in all those cases.
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  • pingas5pingas5 Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Fail Thread Is Fail.
  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Why is everyone trying to demote me?? After everything I have done?
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  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,322 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I hate these threads they're so annoying and most people fail to realize THE STORY RECOGNIZES ONLY ONE VICE ADMIRAL AND WHATNOT SO THERE ARENT MILLIONS OF ADMIRALS.
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  • wombat140wombat140 Member Posts: 971 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    starswordc wrote: »
    Kirk's a loose cannon anyway and, as talonxv pointed out, there were extenuating circumstances in all those cases.

    Extenuating circumstances for Starfleet Command, anyway... all you can really blame them for is letting him within 20 miles of a starship! :)
  • goldentalosgoldentalos Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    westx211 wrote: »
    I hate these threads they're so annoying and most people fail to realize THE STORY RECOGNIZES ONLY ONE VICE ADMIRAL AND WHATNOT SO THERE ARENT MILLIONS OF ADMIRALS.


    There's a such thing as separation between story and the player's ability to enjoy the story. If something breaks your suspension of disbelief, then you're well in your right to complain about it. The story may recognize only one vice-admiral but that's no help when you're flying in sector space and get passed by twelve of them in a group. I mean, at that point you either assume that Star Fleet has been taken over (Again) by aliens who know what rank is, but not how it works or admirals are like whales and travel in groups in order to defend themselves from natural predators.
  • theconquerorwormtheconquerorworm Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    ...or admirals are like whales and travel in groups in order to defend themselves from natural predators.

    That's all officers. It's what they teach us in our secret meetings.
  • feiqafeiqa Member Posts: 2,410 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    khan5000 wrote: »
    Why is everyone trying to demote me?? After everything I have done?

    We can't give you a squadron so we need a good excuse to keep you captaining instead of pushing papers. :D

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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    feiqa wrote: »
    We can't give you a squadron so we need a good excuse to keep you captaining instead of pushing papers. :D

    rather captain a ship than stuck behind a desk. I don't want carpel tunnel.
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  • adverberoadverbero Member Posts: 2,045 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    One thing that is cool, if you don't like your captain/admiral going on away missions, is that you can create ENTIRELY seperate characters in the tailor

    If you so desire your Admiral Can be an Afro American, and your Away team Redshirt can be of Japanese decent, might help with you immersion.
    Say for example you don't think your Admiral should be mining, Switch to your Redshirt Costume, pretend your one of the grunts while you mine rocks
    This might have some value if you want better visual Cohesion, though it won;t fix how NPCs will adress you of course
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    For my Vice Admiral, her ship is her desk. It is a brilliant move by Starfleet to have Vice Admirals command their own ship and use it as their base of operations. An attack on Starfleet HQ won't destroy Starfleet unlike having all the Vice Admirals and Admirals in one location. Staying in one location is for idiotic Vice Admirals that won't last long.
  • goldentalosgoldentalos Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    starkaos wrote: »
    For my Vice Admiral, her ship is her desk. It is a brilliant move by Starfleet to have Vice Admirals command their own ship and use it as their base of operations. An attack on Starfleet HQ won't destroy Starfleet unlike having all the Vice Admirals and Admirals in one location. Staying in one location is for idiotic Vice Admirals that won't last long.

    You know, because you said that, I remembered the old Buzz Lightyear cartoon where the boss of Star Command actually did have a desk that shot lasers and such. He would ride it into battle, along with his laser-firing leg.

    Man, looking back that show was awesome.
  • adverberoadverbero Member Posts: 2,045 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    You know, because you said that, I remembered the old Buzz Lightyear cartoon where the boss of Star Command actually did have a desk that shot lasers and such. He would ride it into battle, along with his laser-firing leg.

    Man, looking back that show was awesome.

    I want to go watch it again now, it was awesome
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  • goldentalosgoldentalos Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    adverbero wrote: »
    I want to go watch it again now, it was awesome


    Yeah, especially for a cartoon spin-off. I remember that I used to love watching it when I was younger.

    If admirals in Star Trek Online got to ride their desk to battle, I'd probably play my main a lot more :(
  • adverberoadverbero Member Posts: 2,045 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Yeah, especially for a cartoon spin-off. I remember that I used to love watching it when I was younger.

    If admirals in Star Trek Online got to ride their desk to battle, I'd probably play my main a lot more :(

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  • goldentalosgoldentalos Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    adverbero wrote: »
    Upcoming for season 9 , New Desk Warrior Trait, you have the ability to construct an onsight command post ( desk ) in the field to support your away teams

    Heck, I'd pay zen for that.
  • adverberoadverbero Member Posts: 2,045 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Heck, I'd pay zen for that.

    Actually, on second thought, so would I
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Oh the hilarity...
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  • stargazer918stargazer918 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I must admit, its a tad unrealistic, having hundreds of VA`S running around the ground, shouldn't the ranks be altered a bit!
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  • johankreigjohankreig Member Posts: 449 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Thought I would just point out that by Naval Decorum, regardless of rank, the commanding officer of any vessel is addressed as Captain, so technicaly as soon as you step on board your ship, you are a Captain.
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