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So why can't romulans use tier 5 faction ships?

talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
edited November 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Really kinda ticked here. I have my only romulan and she's KDF ally. Well the freebie tier 5 ships, don't like them really. Too big too slow. So I went and bought a mirrior universe Qin Raptor. I mean it's not the best ship in the world, but I tried one out on my Engineering Klingon, and found it to be a good ship loaded with all cannons.

Well went to use it, and ofcourse can't, even though allied with KDF. The hell PW? Why can't I. Should be allowed since I am allied. Least I'd have a ship at that level that could turn worth a damn and I don't have to grind or spend god knows how much CC to do it.

What a ripoff.

Edit: Ok let me clear this up some. I don't want to use every single ship in the Klingon inventory. Hell I don't even want them. What I really want, is for Mirrior universe ships to be treated as lockbox ships, not faction specific ships.
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  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,434 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Because if Romulans could use every ship of their alied faction then there would be no need to use any other faction than Romulan.
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  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    errab wrote: »
    Because if Romulans could use every ship of their alied faction then there would be no need to use any other faction than Romulan.
    That is it. If you can pick from the best ships from yours and your ally's faction why would anyone not play a romulan for twice as many ship choices? Levels 1-49 go by fast. Level 50 is forever.
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    errab wrote: »
    Because if Romulans could use every ship of their alied faction then there would be no need to use any other faction than Romulan.

    well hell least let us use the mirrior universe ships. Not like they have every single ship or easy access to every ship the parent faction has through those boxes right?

    Hell least give me something, instead of the flying brick the Ha'feh. It's big and wide as all hell. I mean it does have a short body but wide as all get out. Plus I think it's ugly a sin.
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  • gurluasgurluas Member Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    This annoyed me too. When I made a Romulan I didn't know I'd be forced to use Warbirds at tier 5. I wanted to use a D'kyr or an Intrepid retrofit but I can't :/

    Currently I am using a Tier 4 Intrepid refit.

    It should be clearer when you create a new character.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    They should not allow any technology sharing at all, then there would be much less confusion
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  • adzcriz1adzcriz1 Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Several Elitist/Naysaying moaners went off and had a tantrum, so cryptic made it so rommies couldnt access tier 5, still havent found a reasonable reason why, other than "Everyone will play rommie blah blah blah" which isnt much of an excuse, il play what i want without any railroading from lil tanty boys, my game, my cash, my way, stop intruding on other peeps gameplay, who gives a toss if people are more interested in rommies, whatever, its their game, so TRIBBLE off.

    /rant. Sorry, Little Tantrum Elitist/Dictators etc etc really get up my nose.
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  • saekiithsaekiith Member Posts: 534 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    gurluas wrote: »
    It should be clearer when you create a new character.

    What? That you can only use Romulan Ships at Endgame? Like Feds can only use Starfleet Ships? Or Klings only KDF Ships?
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    The only reason why Romulans are allowed to command Tier 1 to 4 of their allies' ships is to get the consoles. Romulan Captains are just an ally of the Federation or Klingon Empire. Militaries don't give their best equipment to allies.
  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    talonxv wrote: »
    well hell least let us use the mirrior universe ships. Not like they have every single ship or easy access to every ship the parent faction has through those boxes right?

    Hell least give me something, instead of the flying brick the Ha'feh. It's big and wide as all hell. I mean it does have a short body but wide as all get out. Plus I think it's ugly a sin.

    You do realize that Romulans have 8 different T5 ships (10 if you include temporal ones) available right?
  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    adzcriz1 wrote: »
    Several Elitist/Naysaying moaners went off and had a tantrum, so cryptic made it so rommies couldnt access tier 5, still havent found a reasonable reason why, other than "Everyone will play rommie blah blah blah" which isnt much of an excuse, il play what i want without any railroading from lil tanty boys, my game, my cash, my way, stop intruding on other peeps gameplay, who gives a toss if people are more interested in rommies, whatever, its their game, so TRIBBLE off.

    /rant. Sorry, Little Tantrum Elitist/Dictators etc etc really get up my nose.
    Nothing here is yours. You own nothing. Cryptic owns the game and CBS owns the intellectual property used in the game. You are effectively renting an apartment and furniture on a month-to-month lease: you own none of it though you pay for it monthly, and each month it can be taken away from you.
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Romulans are Romulans, they fly Romulans ships at end game. Do you complain because your feds can't fly KDF ships ? I don't see a lot of difference. Romulan have made alliance, not protectorate or part of fed/KDF. They are not the STO Cardassian, they are still a faction.

    I'm glad they can't fly their allies ship at end game. And not only for balance reasons.
    gurluas wrote: »
    It should be clearer when you create a new character.
    Last time I created a Romulan, they are created the same way feds or KDF are. They don't even talk about any alliance.
    You create a Romulan, you should expect to fly Romulan ships. I don't see anywhere during character creation anything about flying fed/kdf ships.
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  • adzcriz1adzcriz1 Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    stf65 wrote: »
    Nothing here is yours. You own nothing. Cryptic owns the game and CBS owns the intellectual property used in the game. You are effectively renting an apartment and furniture on a month-to-month lease: you own none of it though you pay for it monthly, and each month it can be taken away from you.

    Relevance?

    Wasn't off at them, was off at the moaners who demanded it lol. besides i have a LTS so i basically purchased a license to use the software. but the principle is the same, i paid for it, il play it how i bloody well like, and if you dont like it, tough. stop interfering in my gameplay =p lol.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    gurluas wrote: »
    This annoyed me too. When I made a Romulan I didn't know I'd be forced to use Warbirds at tier 5. I wanted to use a D'kyr or an Intrepid retrofit but I can't :/

    Currently I am using a Tier 4 Intrepid refit.

    It should be clearer when you create a new character.

    Roll a Fed character, problem solved.
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  • adzcriz1adzcriz1 Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    mind you i can see why cryptic did it, why let us use the ships we spend 100's of pounds on when they can milk us cashcows for more with rommie ships in zstore, so it makes financial sence

    EDIT: Ugh wont let me use Pound symbol!
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  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    adzcriz1 wrote: »
    Relevance?
    The relevance is you stated: "my game, my cash, my way, stop intruding on other peeps gameplay."

    It is not your game and it will never be your way. You do not own any of it. You are simply paying a renting fee to use a small protion of it occasionally; assuming you are paying anything at all and not just completely freeloading.
  • adzcriz1adzcriz1 Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    stf65 wrote: »
    The relevance is you stated: "my game, my cash, my way, stop intruding on other peeps gameplay."

    It is not your game and it will never be your way. You do not own any of it. You are simply paying a renting fee to use a small protion of it occasionally; assuming you are paying anything at all and not just completely freeloading.

    Thats called being pedantic, and has little relevance, if any at all.
    and no im not freeloading, if you look just under my avatar
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  • shaanithegreenshaanithegreen Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    erei1 wrote: »
    Romulans are Romulans, they fly Romulans ships at end game. Do you complain because your feds can't fly KDF ships ? I don't see a lot of difference. Romulan have made alliance, not protectorate or part of fed/KDF.

    Exactly.

    The reason why Romulans get allies at all because without access to established fleet starbase infrastructures and a larger number of consoles, they would lag behind Starfleet/KDF for at least a year while Cryptic releases new ship consoles for them and the players try to get a T5 shipyard going.

    They are their own faction, though. They should not have access to everything another faction has at endgame.
  • gurluasgurluas Member Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    The reason I made a Romulan is because I like the race and the concept of reunification with the Vulcans and close ties to the Federation. Since we would ally ourselves with the Federation, and several websites said we could fly the ships of our allies of course I assumed that this was something we could always do.

    Nowhere did it say: "Warning: Only Warbirds available at tier 5."
    I was sort of gunning for a D'kyr.

    Rerolling is not an option either when it's my main I've put a lot of time, work, accolades, etc. in.
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    stirling191 wrote: »
    You do realize that Romulans have 8 different T5 ships (10 if you include temporal ones) available right?
    Sure, but I either have to join a fleet, or drop coinage of the realm or do endless grinding[luckily I got 3 KDF so i can pump out over 150CC a day]. But that's not the point. I mean I'm more looking at the Mirrior universe ships. I mean do they have a Mirror universe ship for EVERY tier 5 ship? No, then why not? Hell mirrior universe ships should be able to be used by anybody regardless of faction. Just my two Latium.
    shaanithegreen wrote: »
    Exactly.

    The reason why Romulans get allies at all because without access to established fleet starbase infrastructures and a larger number of consoles, they would lag behind Starfleet/KDF for at least a year while Cryptic releases new ship consoles for them and the players try to get a T5 shipyard going.

    They are their own faction, though. They should not have access to everything another faction has at endgame.

    Again, I don't want to have access to EVERY single ship. I'd just like to be able to use the Mirror universe ships. And again, they don't have every single ship for mirror universe do they?

    So I don't see what the big deal is.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Please people stop beating this poor dead horse!

    That is all.
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  • shaanithegreenshaanithegreen Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    gurluas wrote: »
    Nowhere did it say: "Warning: Only Warbirds available at tier 5."

    There is a documentation problem with this, apparently it's either not spelled out when you select an ally, or it's not spelled out clearly enough.

    Honestly, Cryptic's always been terrible at documentation.
  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    Please people stop beating this poor dead horse!

    That is all.

    It's my thread and I can if I want to!
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  • brewtolomusbrewtolomus Member Posts: 277
    edited November 2013
    stirling191 wrote: »
    You do realize that Romulans have 8 different T5 ships (10 if you include temporal ones) available right?

    Which one would suit a Romulan Scientist best?
  • gurluasgurluas Member Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    brewtolomus wrote: »
    Which one would suit a Romulan Scientist best?

    Pretty much this. The Warbirds are geared towards war. The Temporal Science Vessel is probably the best suited but it's so expensive..

    Although that is one I'd use, as I can roleplay it's a joint Vulcan/Romulan construction made when they unified in the future.

    Unfortunately I am far from the 100 mil it requires.
  • peetapipmacpeetapipmac Member Posts: 2,131 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    talonxv wrote: »
    Sure, but I either have to join a fleet, or drop coinage of the realm or do endless grinding[luckily I got 3 KDF so i can pump out over 150CC a day]. But that's not the point. I mean I'm more looking at the Mirrior universe ships. I mean do they have a Mirror universe ship for EVERY tier 5 ship? No, then why not? Hell mirrior universe ships should be able to be used by anybody regardless of faction. Just my two Latium.


    Again, I don't want to have access to EVERY single ship. I'd just like to be able to use the Mirror universe ships. And again, they don't have every single ship for mirror universe do they?

    So I don't see what the big deal is.

    Then use one of the romulan mirror ships.
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  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    brewtolomus wrote: »
    Which one would suit a Romulan Scientist best?

    All of them. Captain class choice =/= role.

    If you're asking which of the warbirds are science heavy, that's a very open ended answer. Temporal Sci, D'Deridex, T'varo, Dhelan, Haakona/Ha'apax and Scimitar can all be made into very effective science vessels due to their universal boff seating options. And that's on top of the pure sci Ha'nom.

    So for those playing at home, 7 of 9 (really 8 of 10 since the Daenios can be made to do just about everything, but since it's a lifer thing I try to leave it out) of the Warbirds can be readily turned into science ships.
  • jon59650jon59650 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    They should keep T5 romulan only. If you play a romulan character you should use romulan ships. If you want to use fed ships, roll a fed.
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  • gurluasgurluas Member Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    jon59650 wrote: »
    They should keep T5 romulan only. If you play a romulan character you should use romulan ships. If you want to use fed ships, roll a fed.

    That isn't how it works in roleplay it's a very bad answer. There are many many reasons why a Romulan can end up captaining an allied ship.
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    gurluas wrote: »
    The reason I made a Romulan is because I like the race and the concept of reunification with the Vulcans and close ties to the Federation. Since we would ally ourselves with the Federation, and several websites said we could fly the ships of our allies of course I assumed that this was something we could always do.

    Nowhere did it say: "Warning: Only Warbirds available at tier 5."
    I was sort of gunning for a D'kyr.

    Rerolling is not an option either when it's my main I've put a lot of time, work, accolades, etc. in.
    Nowhere it say "fed ship only at tier 5" when creating a fed. We all know fed can only play fed ship, it's obvious. Well, Romulan can only play Romulan ship at tier 5. Having the option to play other ship at lower tier is more a gift than anything else.

    Also, according to what you say, cryptic is not to blame, the other websites are.

    As for the Reunification, it simply not true, so far. Except for D'Tan, nowehere it's said there is Reunification. The Romulan Republic is, as the name imply, Romulan.
    shaanithegreen wrote: »
    There is a documentation problem with this, apparently it's either not spelled out when you select an ally, or it's not spelled out clearly enough.

    Honestly, Cryptic's always been terrible at documentation.
    Because you are just an ally. Not more. And alliance comes at lvl10.
    So, why did you beleive you would have access to tier 5 allied ship when you created your character, when there is nothing to tell you about such alliance during the creation ?
    gurluas wrote: »
    That isn't how it works in roleplay it's a very bad answer. There are many many reasons why a Romulan can end up captaining an allied ship.
    And there is a simple reason why it doesn't happen : they are just allied. Tier 5 ships are top tech, prototype and whatnot. They can't freely give it away to just allies. especially when those allies are also allies of their enemies.

    You RP a reunification Romulan, and that's fine, but as far as STO is concerned, the Romulan Republic is not trying to reunificate with the Vulcan. They are still the Romulan, a new Romulus.
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  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    gurluas wrote: »
    That isn't how it works in roleplay it's a very bad answer. There are many many reasons why a Romulan can end up captaining an allied ship.

    If you want a game driven strictly by roleplaying mechanics then MMOs are not for you.
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