I play a Fed to fly Starfleet ships and experience their content. I play a KDF to fly KDF ships and experience their content. I play a Romulan to fly Warbirds and experience their content. Letting Romulans fly Tier 5 Starfleet ships or KDF ships removes most of their uniqueness.
Sometimes people want to play as their character, not roll something else.
It's as if you were told in real life: "Nope, you can't have an electric car you're American, you'll have to kill yourself and be reincarnated as a Japanese to use one"
Stop asking people to reroll to get the content they want. Instead help Cryptic brainstorm ideas for more KDF and Rom ships with different functions.
If what you want is a more diverse ship selection ( a valid concern), why are you essentially calling for the ruin of the other two factions to get it?
Stop trying to homogonize the shared game universe. Your entitlement issues are not more important than the shared gameplay experience.
That arguement is pretty ridiculous when I can go outside ESD and see an armada of Jem'hadar vessels, some Galors, some Obelisks, and oh even Elachi and Borgified ships sitting around. :rolleyes: It doesn't homogenize it any more than lockboxes do, and good luck stopping that.
Honestly if they let everyone get their 'allies' ships the game would be better. And yes I want Feds to have access to Romulan ships. It would at least end the constant crying for battle cloaks. KDF suddenly gets an influx of options. It means that when they release a ship, most of the populace has a need for it, and Cryptic can make a lot more money this way. A Fed flying a Romulan ship would be no more 'canon' than a Fed flying a Dominion one.
Honestly if they let everyone get their 'allies' ships the game would be better. And yes I want Feds to have access to Romulan ships. It would at least end the constant crying for battle cloaks. KDF suddenly gets an influx of options. It means that when they release a ship, most of the populace has a need for it, and Cryptic can make a lot more money this way. A Fed flying a Romulan ship would be no more 'canon' than a Fed flying a Dominion one.
This feature would ruin factions. If everyone gets the same ships, then by extension everyone should get the same content. Numerous missions would have to be deleted because they no longer make sense with there no longer being KDF/Starfleet conflict. Factions should have their own equipment, ships, and content or otherwise there is no point in playing a Romulan or Klingon.
That arguement is pretty ridiculous when I can go outside ESD and see an armada of Jem'hadar vessels, some Galors, some Obelisks, and oh even Elachi and Borgified ships sitting around. :rolleyes: It doesn't homogenize it any more than lockboxes do, and good luck stopping that.
Honestly if they let everyone get their 'allies' ships the game would be better. And yes I want Feds to have access to Romulan ships. It would at least end the constant crying for battle cloaks. KDF suddenly gets an influx of options. It means that when they release a ship, most of the populace has a need for it, and Cryptic can make a lot more money this way. A Fed flying a Romulan ship would be no more 'canon' than a Fed flying a Dominion one.
That arguement is pretty ridiculous when I can go outside ESD and see an armada of Jem'hadar vessels, some Galors, some Obelisks, and oh even Elachi and Borgified ships sitting around. :rolleyes: It doesn't homogenize it any more than lockboxes do, and good luck stopping that.
1. They're not that common. If they were, they'd be far cheaper on the exchange.
2. Lockbox and Lobi ships appear far more unusual than anything the factions put out, for exactly that reason: they're unusual and cryptic has stated that the lockbox and special giveaways like the winter and summer events is their one workaround for certain canon issues with weird ships being in the hands of faction players.
3. They're not nearly as common as you think. For every Jammie dread there's a hundred voquvs and for every mirror temporal destroyer there's a hundred defiants. If STO had every player share the same instance instead of the usual 150 or so, the numbers would be much clearer.
Militaries don't give their best equipment to allies.
So explain why the U.S is selling the F-22 to every ally and their dog?
Not that I think they should change this for the game. The factions should be split at least for incentive to try the other factions. Mirrors are mirrors of specific faction ships, and should be limited also.
But your IRL example, actually isn't real. They do it all the time anymore.
So explain why the U.S is selling the F-22 to every ally and their dog?
An aircraft company told the Pentagon that the US was falling behind the curve in fighter aircraft, got billions of dollars in new ones, and then told the Pentagon that they needed to sell that fighter to other countries so that they could make billions more.
Then, they tell the Pentagon that the US is falling behing the curve in fighter aircraft, get billions of dollars to design new ones . . . .
So explain why the U.S is selling the F-22 to every ally and their dog?
Not that I think they should change this for the game. The factions should be split at least for incentive to try the other factions. Mirrors are mirrors of specific faction ships, and should be limited also.
But your IRL example, actually isn't real. They do it all the time anymore.
Giving is completely different from selling. The US military might give military equipment to rebels, but it certainly won't be their best equipment.
Whether it 'dilutes the playerbase' or not (i think they were just scared LoR would flop), Factions (in theory) make the game more interesting. They (in theory) make the game more replayable and having advantages and disadvantages to playing one or another is part of that. It's also part of things being more fun. As is having different ships for different factions. As far as Rom Sci ships goes, if Cryptic put one out on the C-Store with at least one Universal Boff slot available at level 50 with a fleet variant, I won't QQ for them to make any more.
I want to see far more differences between the factions, not less. Across the board I want to see less Blue and Red for Roms (doffs, boffs etc), less stolen Red (consoles) for Feds and, well, just more Red (ships, costumes, etc) for KDF, but that's another issue.
TL/DR: I still don't get it.
"So my fun is wrong?"
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
Agreed with above. Factions need to be differentiated more, not less.
Not allowing Romulans to fly every ship in the game was something we fought for prior to LoR going live. If you want to fly a T5 Fed or KDF ship, play a Fed or KDF character. Simple.
you are allied with who ever you pick that dont make you a >>>member<<< and before any one come up with i got to use blah blah before T5 well let me put it like this you are using >>>hand-me-down<<<
Why I wanted a Mirror Qin? Because I tried it out on my KDF engineering and I didn't mind it for grinding purposes in doing the defense of the empire. I could use the O carrier, but doesn't fit the playstyle.
No, I mean why are you asking for a Mirror Qin Raptor for your Rom when your Rom actually has access to better warbirds.
If you're not prepared to pay, put your back into some Dil grinding and you can get a Scimitar or an Ar'Kif Carrier Retrofit, both of which are arguably better than the Mirror Qin.
You're just a machine. And machines can be broken.
No, I mean why are you asking for a Mirror Qin Raptor for your Rom when your Rom actually has access to better warbirds.
If you're not prepared to pay, put your back into some Dil grinding and you can get a Scimitar or an Ar'Kif Carrier Retrofit, both of which are arguably better than the Mirror Qin.
I was planning on getting a carrier refit. I just wanted something to grind with that wasn't the Ha'feh. At that tier I hate all 3 of those ships.
Mirrir Quv was a quick and cheap alternative while I ground out the CC for it and something I'd prefer to fly more. That's all.
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Really kinda ticked here. I have my only romulan and she's KDF ally. Well the freebie tier 5 ships, don't like them really. Too big too slow. So I went and bought a mirrior universe Qin Raptor. I mean it's not the best ship in the world, but I tried one out on my Engineering Klingon, and found it to be a good ship loaded with all cannons.
Well went to use it, and ofcourse can't, even though allied with KDF. The hell PW? Why can't I. Should be allowed since I am allied. Least I'd have a ship at that level that could turn worth a damn and I don't have to grind or spend god knows how much CC to do it.
What a ripoff.
Edit: Ok let me clear this up some. I don't want to use every single ship in the Klingon inventory. Hell I don't even want them. What I really want, is for Mirrior universe ships to be treated as lockbox ships, not faction specific ships.
well how do you think Klingons feel we have to supply what few ships we have to our supposed allies that in return don't share any of theirs with us.
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days.
I would say make this work both ways. Since Romulan characters get access to either Fed or Klink ships once they've allied with someone, why not allow your characters of that faction to also have access to certain Romulan ships?
well how do you think Klingons feel we have to supply what few ships we have to our supposed allies that in return don't share any of theirs with us.
God I wasn't even talking bout giving free reign to all KDF ships. I just want to use the MIRROR lockbox ships. Hell I don't even want to fly every single KDF ship as a rom. I have 2 KDF toons to go play with for those ships.
All I wanted was to be able to use the mirror KDF lockboxes, that's it. And guess what, they are not even part of the KDF of this universe, they are spoils of war and capture. So why should anybody even really care? Not like I am stomping my feet and wanting to play a bortasqu'.
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I was planning on getting a carrier refit. I just wanted something to grind with that wasn't the Ha'feh. At that tier I hate all 3 of those ships.
Mirrir Quv was a quick and cheap alternative while I ground out the CC for it and something I'd prefer to fly more. That's all.
That's fair enough.
My opinion on the matter stands, however. Since there are perfectly reasonable alternatives to the Ha'Feh available to Romulan players, I see no need to open up T5 KDF and Fed ships to the Romulans based solely on your dislike of the visual aesthetics of the Romulan T5 free ships.
I stand by the fact that opening the T5 ships up to the Romulans would basically ruin two factions of the game.
You're just a machine. And machines can be broken.
If you wanted to fly a Qin raptor, why didn't you just roll another Klingon? That is the question I want to ask every time I see this. There is so little difference between factions beyond ship choices, why homogenize it more.
Also, if you really hate flying warbirds, get a lockbox ship. I know its a lot of EC to afford, but you can do it if you care so much. Its much more possible than complaining here until they let you use the Qin.
I understand your feeling. Personally when the announcement was originally made, I was in the minority supporting Romulan access to T5 ships. In the end however, it has been for the best. It gives the factions their own feel.
If you wanted to fly a Qin raptor, why didn't you just roll another Klingon? That is the question I want to ask every time I see this. There is so little difference between factions beyond ship choices, why homogenize it more.
Also, if you really hate flying warbirds, get a lockbox ship. I know its a lot of EC to afford, but you can do it if you care so much. Its much more possible than complaining here until they let you use the Qin.
I understand your feeling. Personally when the announcement was originally made, I was in the minority supporting Romulan access to T5 ships. In the end however, it has been for the best. It gives the factions their own feel.
I already have a Quv on a KDF character. -facepalms- Ok let me come at this another way. Mirror ships, not the rest of the shipyards which I could give two hoots about and frankly like you said if I wanted to fly one, I'd roll atoon to do so, and I have 5 total. So stop say "Just roll a toon."Already did that so just stop on that angle.
My bigger question and I guess if I could I'd rename the thread "Why are mirrior universe ships not treated like normal Lock boxes."
Point is, I wanted something cheap I can use NOW that isn't that ugly garbage "warbird" to grind to something I WANT. Problem is, the rest of the ship cost MILLIONS as in 70mil or better to buy, and lock boxes are hit and miss like the lottery.
So I just was annoyed that I couldn't go pick up a mirror universe Quv, and use it for my grind ship on my Romulan to GET TO the ship i want.
I mean I agree that romulans shouldn't be rolling in Gal-X or Odysseys. But what would it hurt to roll in a mirrior universe Quv or science ship to get to the ship you want, or hell that might be the perfect ship for you?
So please, explain it. And don't say go roll a toon. got 2 fed, 2 KDF and 1 rom.
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My bigger question and I guess if I could I'd rename the thread "Why are mirrior universe ships not treated like normal Lock boxes."
Because the non-faction lockbox ships are just that: non-faction.
Mirror ships belong to individual factions. Cryptic never intended it as a way for characters not in that faction to get those ships. They intended Feds to get Mirror Fed ships, Klings to get Mirror KDF ships, and Roms to get Mirror Romulan ships.
As to your problem, well, just go see Q and level to VA in a few hours and be done with it is really the only advice I can give. At least it'll be short.
Because the non-faction lockbox ships are just that: non-faction.
Mirror ships belong to individual factions. Cryptic never intended it as a way for characters not in that faction to get those ships. They intended Feds to get Mirror Fed ships, Klings to get Mirror KDF ships, and Roms to get Mirror Romulan ships.
As to your problem, well, just go see Q and level to VA in a few hours and be done with it is really the only advice I can give. At least it'll be short.
-facepaln- Already stated I have 5 characters, I guess I forgot to say all level 50. Again stop with "just go roll a toon" been there done that and it's not a valid answer.
Now the lame excuse that so each faction can roll just a different skin but have the same ships, kinda lame. Considering the fact that you can get: Breen, Jem'Hadar, and Cardassian, kinda a weak excuse IMO.
And it's not like they have EVERY single tier 5 ship as a mirror ship. It's the ones you get at RA. Granted strong ships, not not among equals at tier 5. So it's not as some say "latest and greatest".
That and the fact IMO VA/Fleet ships should be considered Tier 6 ships is another point I bring up in how they do their ship tiers.
But I will continue to agree to disagree.
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-facepaln- Already stated I have 5 characters, I guess I forgot to say all level 50. Again stop with "just go roll a toon" been there done that and it's not a valid answer.
Ah, I misunderstood. I thought you wanted a Qin because you didn't like the Subadmiral level ships, which I totally would have understood.
At VA though, you have access to a ton of the best ships in the game, so why would you even want a Qin? Go get a Fleet Dhelan.
So I just was annoyed that I couldn't go pick up a mirror universe Quv, and use it for my grind ship on my Romulan to GET TO the ship i want.
I genuinely don't see the issue here. Okay, you don't like the Ha'Feh. I'll be honest, i'm not a particularly big fan of it either (hence why I went Scimitar with my Rom Tac toon).
That said, it's just a means to an end, like the Mirror Qin you keep mentioning. So if you're just going to dump it once you've grinded the Dil out for an Ar'Kif retro or whatever ship you want, what does it matter what ship you're flying?
I'll level with you; I despise the Saber-class escort. So levelling my Fed Tac toon for the second time was excruciatingly tedious knowing i'd have to look at that thing for another ten levels. But at the end of the day, I was out of it quick and back into my Defiant Retro in no time.
Best advice I can give? Grit your teeth, grind the Dilith out and get the ship you want. You can dump the Ha'Feh after and never have to look at it again. And you won't have angry Klingons trying to string you up from the nearest lamppost for proposing that Feds get access to their ships.
You're just a machine. And machines can be broken.
Ah, I misunderstood. I thought you wanted a Qin because you didn't like the Subadmiral level ships, which I totally would have understood.
At VA though, you have access to a ton of the best ships in the game, so why would you even want a Qin? Go get a Fleet Dhelan.
It is a non-playable faction with the exact same ships as a playable faction.
If they give Sovvies to Klingons and Vor'chas to Romulans, then they might as well just scrap factions entirely (which I wouldn't 100% disapprove of).
First problem is, I don't want to join a fleet, too much hassle for my tastes. Second I don't much like the Dhelan either. Good ship, just not my cup of tea.
I wanted the tactcial carrier, I just didn't want to be stuck with the RA ship while I did it. IMO I don't any difference between the mirror ships and any other lock box ship.
Like the guy above me said, they are not part of this universe and not part of any faction. They are spoils of war, not ships built to a faction. Why I think they should be treated like any other lock box.
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Sorry, but the Terran Empire from the Mirror Universe isn't a playable faction. Neither is the Klingon/Cardassian Alliance, nor whatever the Rommies are a part of.
Therefore the Mirror Universe ships DON'T belong to the Prime Universe's Fed/KDF/Rom factions and should be able to be used by anyone that manages to "capture" one of those ships.
The faction argument simply doesn't hold water.
I agree with this point of view also. I don't see the problem with being able to use mirror universe ships. If Cryptic would allow this I wouldn't be bothered in the least.
The mirror ships are lockbox items that (in-lore) were salvaged by the Ferengi who are not so stuipid as to sell faction technology to opposing factions.
I agree with this point of view also. I don't see the problem with being able to use mirror universe ships. If Cryptic would allow this I wouldn't be bothered in the least.
Yeaaaah, Feds using KDF ships not gonna happen without outrage.
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If what you want is a more diverse ship selection ( a valid concern), why are you essentially calling for the ruin of the other two factions to get it?
That arguement is pretty ridiculous when I can go outside ESD and see an armada of Jem'hadar vessels, some Galors, some Obelisks, and oh even Elachi and Borgified ships sitting around. :rolleyes: It doesn't homogenize it any more than lockboxes do, and good luck stopping that.
Honestly if they let everyone get their 'allies' ships the game would be better. And yes I want Feds to have access to Romulan ships. It would at least end the constant crying for battle cloaks. KDF suddenly gets an influx of options. It means that when they release a ship, most of the populace has a need for it, and Cryptic can make a lot more money this way. A Fed flying a Romulan ship would be no more 'canon' than a Fed flying a Dominion one.
This feature would ruin factions. If everyone gets the same ships, then by extension everyone should get the same content. Numerous missions would have to be deleted because they no longer make sense with there no longer being KDF/Starfleet conflict. Factions should have their own equipment, ships, and content or otherwise there is no point in playing a Romulan or Klingon.
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Why are you not rejoicing?
1. They're not that common. If they were, they'd be far cheaper on the exchange.
2. Lockbox and Lobi ships appear far more unusual than anything the factions put out, for exactly that reason: they're unusual and cryptic has stated that the lockbox and special giveaways like the winter and summer events is their one workaround for certain canon issues with weird ships being in the hands of faction players.
3. They're not nearly as common as you think. For every Jammie dread there's a hundred voquvs and for every mirror temporal destroyer there's a hundred defiants. If STO had every player share the same instance instead of the usual 150 or so, the numbers would be much clearer.
So explain why the U.S is selling the F-22 to every ally and their dog?
Not that I think they should change this for the game. The factions should be split at least for incentive to try the other factions. Mirrors are mirrors of specific faction ships, and should be limited also.
But your IRL example, actually isn't real. They do it all the time anymore.
An aircraft company told the Pentagon that the US was falling behind the curve in fighter aircraft, got billions of dollars in new ones, and then told the Pentagon that they needed to sell that fighter to other countries so that they could make billions more.
Then, they tell the Pentagon that the US is falling behing the curve in fighter aircraft, get billions of dollars to design new ones . . . .
Giving is completely different from selling. The US military might give military equipment to rebels, but it certainly won't be their best equipment.
Whether it 'dilutes the playerbase' or not (i think they were just scared LoR would flop), Factions (in theory) make the game more interesting. They (in theory) make the game more replayable and having advantages and disadvantages to playing one or another is part of that. It's also part of things being more fun. As is having different ships for different factions. As far as Rom Sci ships goes, if Cryptic put one out on the C-Store with at least one Universal Boff slot available at level 50 with a fleet variant, I won't QQ for them to make any more.
I want to see far more differences between the factions, not less. Across the board I want to see less Blue and Red for Roms (doffs, boffs etc), less stolen Red (consoles) for Feds and, well, just more Red (ships, costumes, etc) for KDF, but that's another issue.
TL/DR: I still don't get it.
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
Not allowing Romulans to fly every ship in the game was something we fought for prior to LoR going live. If you want to fly a T5 Fed or KDF ship, play a Fed or KDF character. Simple.
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No, I mean why are you asking for a Mirror Qin Raptor for your Rom when your Rom actually has access to better warbirds.
If you're not prepared to pay, put your back into some Dil grinding and you can get a Scimitar or an Ar'Kif Carrier Retrofit, both of which are arguably better than the Mirror Qin.
I was planning on getting a carrier refit. I just wanted something to grind with that wasn't the Ha'feh. At that tier I hate all 3 of those ships.
Mirrir Quv was a quick and cheap alternative while I ground out the CC for it and something I'd prefer to fly more. That's all.
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well how do you think Klingons feel we have to supply what few ships we have to our supposed allies that in return don't share any of theirs with us.
God I wasn't even talking bout giving free reign to all KDF ships. I just want to use the MIRROR lockbox ships. Hell I don't even want to fly every single KDF ship as a rom. I have 2 KDF toons to go play with for those ships.
All I wanted was to be able to use the mirror KDF lockboxes, that's it. And guess what, they are not even part of the KDF of this universe, they are spoils of war and capture. So why should anybody even really care? Not like I am stomping my feet and wanting to play a bortasqu'.
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That's fair enough.
My opinion on the matter stands, however. Since there are perfectly reasonable alternatives to the Ha'Feh available to Romulan players, I see no need to open up T5 KDF and Fed ships to the Romulans based solely on your dislike of the visual aesthetics of the Romulan T5 free ships.
I stand by the fact that opening the T5 ships up to the Romulans would basically ruin two factions of the game.
Also, if you really hate flying warbirds, get a lockbox ship. I know its a lot of EC to afford, but you can do it if you care so much. Its much more possible than complaining here until they let you use the Qin.
I understand your feeling. Personally when the announcement was originally made, I was in the minority supporting Romulan access to T5 ships. In the end however, it has been for the best. It gives the factions their own feel.
I already have a Quv on a KDF character. -facepalms- Ok let me come at this another way. Mirror ships, not the rest of the shipyards which I could give two hoots about and frankly like you said if I wanted to fly one, I'd roll atoon to do so, and I have 5 total. So stop say "Just roll a toon."Already did that so just stop on that angle.
My bigger question and I guess if I could I'd rename the thread "Why are mirrior universe ships not treated like normal Lock boxes."
Point is, I wanted something cheap I can use NOW that isn't that ugly garbage "warbird" to grind to something I WANT. Problem is, the rest of the ship cost MILLIONS as in 70mil or better to buy, and lock boxes are hit and miss like the lottery.
So I just was annoyed that I couldn't go pick up a mirror universe Quv, and use it for my grind ship on my Romulan to GET TO the ship i want.
I mean I agree that romulans shouldn't be rolling in Gal-X or Odysseys. But what would it hurt to roll in a mirrior universe Quv or science ship to get to the ship you want, or hell that might be the perfect ship for you?
So please, explain it. And don't say go roll a toon. got 2 fed, 2 KDF and 1 rom.
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Because the non-faction lockbox ships are just that: non-faction.
Mirror ships belong to individual factions. Cryptic never intended it as a way for characters not in that faction to get those ships. They intended Feds to get Mirror Fed ships, Klings to get Mirror KDF ships, and Roms to get Mirror Romulan ships.
As to your problem, well, just go see Q and level to VA in a few hours and be done with it is really the only advice I can give. At least it'll be short.
-facepaln- Already stated I have 5 characters, I guess I forgot to say all level 50. Again stop with "just go roll a toon" been there done that and it's not a valid answer.
Now the lame excuse that so each faction can roll just a different skin but have the same ships, kinda lame. Considering the fact that you can get: Breen, Jem'Hadar, and Cardassian, kinda a weak excuse IMO.
And it's not like they have EVERY single tier 5 ship as a mirror ship. It's the ones you get at RA. Granted strong ships, not not among equals at tier 5. So it's not as some say "latest and greatest".
That and the fact IMO VA/Fleet ships should be considered Tier 6 ships is another point I bring up in how they do their ship tiers.
But I will continue to agree to disagree.
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Ah, I misunderstood. I thought you wanted a Qin because you didn't like the Subadmiral level ships, which I totally would have understood.
At VA though, you have access to a ton of the best ships in the game, so why would you even want a Qin? Go get a Fleet Dhelan.
It is a non-playable faction with the exact same ships as a playable faction.
If they give Sovvies to Klingons and Vor'chas to Romulans, then they might as well just scrap factions entirely (which I wouldn't 100% disapprove of).
I genuinely don't see the issue here. Okay, you don't like the Ha'Feh. I'll be honest, i'm not a particularly big fan of it either (hence why I went Scimitar with my Rom Tac toon).
That said, it's just a means to an end, like the Mirror Qin you keep mentioning. So if you're just going to dump it once you've grinded the Dil out for an Ar'Kif retro or whatever ship you want, what does it matter what ship you're flying?
I'll level with you; I despise the Saber-class escort. So levelling my Fed Tac toon for the second time was excruciatingly tedious knowing i'd have to look at that thing for another ten levels. But at the end of the day, I was out of it quick and back into my Defiant Retro in no time.
Best advice I can give? Grit your teeth, grind the Dilith out and get the ship you want. You can dump the Ha'Feh after and never have to look at it again. And you won't have angry Klingons trying to string you up from the nearest lamppost for proposing that Feds get access to their ships.
First problem is, I don't want to join a fleet, too much hassle for my tastes. Second I don't much like the Dhelan either. Good ship, just not my cup of tea.
I wanted the tactcial carrier, I just didn't want to be stuck with the RA ship while I did it. IMO I don't any difference between the mirror ships and any other lock box ship.
Like the guy above me said, they are not part of this universe and not part of any faction. They are spoils of war, not ships built to a faction. Why I think they should be treated like any other lock box.
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I agree with this point of view also. I don't see the problem with being able to use mirror universe ships. If Cryptic would allow this I wouldn't be bothered in the least.
Yeaaaah, Feds using KDF ships not gonna happen without outrage.
Undoubtedly, just expressing my opinion.