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Re: T5 Constitution
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So, why does CBS say no to a T5 Constitution?
Now, I don't care one way or the other about the Connie being at T5, but after reading through the several topics about it that crop up every couple of days, I noticed that most people cite CBS saying no to the idea, but they never actually say why.
So I ask, what is the reason behind it? I sincerely doubt its a matter of strength, because if we go by that logic then there shouldn't be any retrofits or fleet ships whatsoever. If a Constitution can't be at T5, then a Defiant or a Galaxy shouldn't have any variation above T4.
Now, I don't care one way or the other about the Connie being at T5, but after reading through the several topics about it that crop up every couple of days, I noticed that most people cite CBS saying no to the idea, but they never actually say why.
So I ask, what is the reason behind it? I sincerely doubt its a matter of strength, because if we go by that logic then there shouldn't be any retrofits or fleet ships whatsoever. If a Constitution can't be at T5, then a Defiant or a Galaxy shouldn't have any variation above T4.
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To some extent making a T5 Connie devalues the Galaxy, Intrepid, and Defiant - 3 ships that are a mainstay to their income. All 4 of these ships, including the Connie, are iconic for CBS. They don't want to do anything that messes with the IP too intently when dealing with these 4 ships.
Plus CBS has other licensing situations to deal with. We don't know what their deal is with Abrams and his version of the Connie. There's a lot of legal wrangling that goes on in license agreements - things that make no sense to rational people but are in contracts.
CBS has to protect all of it's iconic IP, because that's where its money comes from.
AHHH but think of the money CBS and PWE would make off a T5 Connie based off of all the give me a T5 connie threads lol....i like the ship but i don't want one myself just sayin
Also a retrofit of a Galaxy, Defiant, or Akira is perfectly fine. Remember we saw them fighting right along side a Sovereign in First Contact. And, before anyone gripes about how they were all getting whooped... the Enterprise is a hero ship, so I'd expect any other Sovereign class to get whooped at the battle of sector 001 as well.
I could go on, remember how the Sao Paulo was a bit better than the original Defiant? However, a 200 year old ship is a bit of a stretch. I would seriously question the game if I was destroyed in PVP by a T5 connie. It's just beyond stupid, and those that fail to see that.... you just can't waste your time arguing with them. Like someone denying something completely obvious.
I think anyone who works at CBS probably has excellent critical thinking skills to be working for a such a well known company and most likely came to a similar decision.
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No, the Excelsior is like 40+ years older than the Constitution, and the Excelsior was kept up to date with the Lakota-type refit. So it kept it in service in spite of it being supposed to be replaced by the Sovereign-class.
And the D'Kyr design is hundreds of years old, but the ships themselves aren't that old. It's like how you can make new P-51s with kits, but it's not actually WW2 Era warbirds. Which explains the Utopia (NX).
I would prefer to only use those at level 50 but they aren't viable as implemented in game
All the arguing appears to be mostly around the TOS Constitution, then the Enterprise A gets caught up in that argument too because the "CBS said no" hearsay isn't specific.
There are reasons why Starfleet abandoned the Constitution Class and not the Excelsior. Just because tech has gotten better doesn't mean they can just magically get over the short comings of the Constitution.
In 30 years the ship went through a major overhaul and it was pretty much changed into a new ship and it still couldn't hold to the tests of time. They were really nothing special...besides pure nostalgia I can't see why people would want one.
I know Star Trek is where all this began but I think the original Connie is ugly as sin...but most of that is because I grew up with TNG and I know tech back then, 20 years before TNG wasn't great. I mean just look at the difference between TOS and the TMP...lot changed in about 10 years.
That is true, but we know the original 1701 was launched in 2245 and there were some ships older than her.
And I wasn't referring to the canonical D'kyr but the STO explanation of the D'kyr.
Star Trek is full of too many people trying to rationalize things that were done simply because the producers were cheap. Klingons get Birds of Prey and Cloaks because in The Search for Spock the foe was quickly changed from Romulans to Klingons and they were too cheap to make new ships for the KDF.
I don't waste my life trying to rationalize computer blips; especially in a game that has very little canon in it.
With the dominion war and the fall of the Khitomer accords its only logical for the class to be kept in service.
Yeah I only found that out recently - Search for Spock was supposed to be Romulans
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Romulan
But they had already made the ship
Which is why the Bird of Prey looks like it belongs to the Romulan family of ships - be it the green colouring or the wing decals. And why it has a cloak.
Also re: The Excelsior
The Enterprise A was actually commissioned after the Excelsior
Excelsior (Star Trek III)
Enterprise A (Star Trek IV)
Jem Hadar Attack Ship
Galor
D'Kora
29th Century Ships
Jem Hadar Dread/Escort
Tal Shiar Destroyer/Cruiser
Elachi Destroyer /Cruiser
That "CBS" sure cares about the I.P./canon.:rolleyes:
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So many ships in this game devalue those ships because those ships are not that good statistically compared to so many other ships including totally made up ships just for this game. I would think if they really cared about new people coming to the game and buying those ships they would tell cryptic to improve them and always keep them among best ships in the game not between the bottom and middle of the pack which they currently are.
What "lot of excelsior models"? They reused the original Excelsior model in TNG, First contact, and in DS9. :P
Hey, those little things did shape Trek to how it become.
But the rationalization with STO.............well gotta go with the flow.
We are fighting against the Jem'Hadar, Cardassians, Tal Shiar, and Elachi so it makes sense to capture their ships, figure everything about them, and use them if possible. Ferengi are willing to sell anything to make a profit. The only ships that don't make sense are the Temporal ships since it doesn't make sense for 29th Century Starfleet to not put self-destruct mechanisms on their ships to maintain the Temporal Prime Directive. Especially with what happened to Braxton's ship.
Yes but do not forget that the ! was built and comissioned after the original 1701 was refitted.
So there was the TOS 1701 which was refitted for the first movie, it was the 1701 Refit, then THAT was blown up and a 1701-A was built.
The connie line was described as being decomissioned, not because of age or lack of tecnhology. It was strictly due do design issues. Those same design issues are why we see more ships with thicker and/or no necks. Also with thicker Pylons. They where found to be structurally unsound and weak at higher warp speeds and very exposed in combat.
Just an FYI so you all know these very important facts.
As for why CBS says no, they can so they do.
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But this isn't a fact within the world of Star Trek. It's purely speculation based upon new model designers having chosen to evolve the starship aesthetic. To present something innovative (in their view) and not direct copies of Matt Jefferies original TOS concept.
Fact or not it makes a lot of sense. And without concrete evidence, and very specific points from the original designers well yes its all speculation.
but i will simply point to this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor
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Also E-A was not built after Excel. She was recomissioned after Excel. She was originally the Yorktown then renamed E-A.
Technically the Lakota could of beat the Defiant but the captain refused to use the Quantum Torpedos.
We don't know that for sure, because Sisko was holding the punches because he didn't want to commit fratricide.
no they are too close. the only X factor is their capatins
Its most likely that they would have tore each other apart if they had no reservations about actually doing so.
There is no logical reason why "CBS" would forbid a movie T5 Connie. I can see Cryptic doing this to preemptively pacify the player objections though.
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