By this logic 95% of the Starfleet ships in game would need to be removed from the fleet. That includes Defiant which was later succeeded by the Prometheus. No Galaxy or Excelsior. No Sabre, Nebula, Nova, Intrepid, Steamrunner, Akira, and on and on. The Conny wasn't a Model T, that designation goes to the NX class. Even then the Model T had a lifespan of almost 20 years and over 15 million units were produced which was incredible for the time.
The point is you don't put the T5 ships as MUSEM PIECES , they are supposed to represent the top of the line vessels, the lower tiers are there for th old stuff that gets taken out of some MOTHBALL yard for some newbie Lieutenants
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But..... fans decided to think of starships as cars. :rolleyes:
This is essentially what starships have been reduced to in STO. STO is all about 'collecting them all' and having a variety of ships at your disposal. STO is not about taking one ship and being able to infinitely modify it or being able to make one ship great (like the Enterprise).
The point is you don't put the T5 ships as MUSEM PIECES , they are supposed to represent the top of the line vessels, the lower tiers are there for th old stuff that gets taken out of some MOTHBALL yard for some newbie Lieutenants
I hear what you are saying but the fact is that Cryptic has already broken this. By adding ships like the D'Kyr, T'varo, and D7 at T5, all of which are older than the TOS Conny let alone the TMP Conny, and I would have to ask what would adding 1 more ship hurt? Especially when it is the most iconic ship in the history of the franchise.
Have to disagree. Toyota has been making the Corolla for almost 50 years now and shows no sign of stopping. Honda Civics? 40 years now. Ford Escorts? Over 30 years. These aren't exactly top end autos either. I would imagine 400 years from now it would be totally feasible to have a ship class last for about 200 years easily.
Those cars share almost none of the same Body panels , chasis parts, engines or components of their original name sakes though
They are new cars that sell well by existing success being assosiated with the name and general look
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Personally if it was up to me, they should create fleet version of every ship in the game, it gives variety as to what one can command into battle.
Those nay sayers against a tier 5 Connie, must understand that this game is beyond canon now. We even have Kumari escorts, which are ancient by comparison, at tier 5. The Connie is far more advanced than the Kumari in the timeline. That's a small example.
We are now entering the era of Dino Bots in out midst, anything should go, especially a small thing as giving fans a tier 5 Connie.
They aren't the same ships, its a new vessel baring the namesake, Lik the Valdore class , it bares the name of a famous Mogai
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Those cars share almost none of the same Body panels , chasis parts, engines or components of their original name sakes though
They are new cars that sell well by existing success being assosiated with the name and general look
Hmmm... 2 or 4 doors, windows, a hood, 4 wheels. Compare that to a starship. A saucer, an engineering hull, 2 nacelles. See the correlation yet? Also, if you look at the TOS Conny and TMP Conny, they also don't share many of the same characteristics interior or exterior. But they are both Constitution classes.
Wait, so you're telling me that if it wasn't for CBS (killer of the Star Trek franchise and sucker of all things fun) we would possibly be in the middle of some sort of trekkie renaissance/golden age of awesomeness wherein we could lord over the Star Wars fans for generations.
CBBBBBBBBS! :mad:
Nonesense. The 2009 movie was Abrams job application for Star Wars. He would've gone anyway as soon as they had offered him something. Good riddance.
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The CBS issue was specifically stated by DStahl and Geko in separate posts/interviews. Geko even went so far as to postulate that they might try and put a Connie in a Lockbox to get around CBS' restriction. That, apparently, didn't fly with CBS either, but it's clear that Cryptic does understand how much money can be made from a T5 Connie. They just can't get permission to use it.
That was 2 years ago and given time things can change - there could be new execs at CBS handling the vetting who don't have an issue with it, or whatever. The needs of any company often change over time.
I'm aware that CBS has to green light most, if not all, of the IP canon material present in the game. However, the developers at Cryptic have some freedom in content. Or else Cryptic would have never got the game off of the ground, if CBS had to go over everything with a fine tooth comb.
All of my information points to the TOS Constitution being the sole victim of the CBS veto. All of the others are sketchy at best. If somebody has a link, I would appreciate if somebody would post it. It would make for interesting reading.
We know the Enterprise A was retired and replaced by the Excelsior, even though it was a new Connie upgrade and still being completed in The Final Frontier. We know the Enterprise B was an Excelsior. The only evidence that see of a Connie existing is a partial ship destroyed at Wolf 359 - and that could have just been a desperation move to get ships there for firepower even if they sucked.
One ship doesn't equal an entire class. And when a newer design becomes the new "flagship", it doesn't mean the older class is retired outright. It just means it's no longer the "face" of Starfleet and the Federation. A prime example is the continuation of the Excelsior, Ambassador, and Galaxy classes in service after they no longer represented cutting edge in starship design and lost their "flagship" status.
The NCC-1701-A could've just easily been an early victim of the newly minted Khitomer Accords, and the senior crew was set for retirement. This streamlining of the Fleet and passing of the torch was a golden opportunity for a new flagship to represent the Fleet in this new age, while the older Constitution soldiered on among the rank and file.
And Wolf 359 wasn't the only place where a wreck of the Constitution was present. The U.S.S. Olympia was another example of a Constitution wreck appearing on-screen (Although the nacelle was from a Miranda, which is more or less the same unit).
As for suckatude at Wolf 359, the Fleet's best vessels fared no better than the supposedly inferior Constitution (which, like the Miranda, Excelsior and Oberth, would have been kept up to date with the latest technology). Even Hanson's flagship, which was stated to be an unnamed Galaxy class in the final shooting script (not to mention the battle bridge footage shown in "The Best of Both Worlds". They wanted to use the Galaxy main bridge, but has to settle for a battle bridge scene due to budget and schedule).
I'm reasonably certain that insulting people who disagree with you is not a good way to get your opinion validated.
No offense, but I don't seek validation. I only call it like I see it. If a certain segment on these forums act like jerks (or worse, Star Trek Online's version of the Holy Inquisition), I'm going to point it out. Especially if acting that way isn't called for. It's just a bad habit of mine, so don't mind little 'ol me. :D
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Connie did NOT see service after 2300 for Excel can do everything she could but more and at that point enough of them are built they didn't need the last of the connies. They only likely connie in use is the Republic and see doesn't leave the solar system. Stargazer was originally going to be a connie but was changed to Constellation. Connie's ONLY role now is as a reserve ship. Should the fleet get a major loss of ships the connies can be reactivated as placeholder ship till more new ones can be built.
We've danced this dance before, admiralq1732.
Canon evidence on screen shows that the Constitution "refit" served in some capacity well into the late 2360's at least. There is no evidence that they were solely inactive mothballed vessels kept as some sort of emergency reserve. Other than supposition, there is no evidence of a complete decommissioning of the class in general. Some people just assume so since it "makes sense" to them.
Starfleet (in canon) had a habit of squeezing the most out of a proven ship class. The Constitution had an extensive, proven service record. New examples and upgrades to the newest technology, combined with a rugged design, would allow for a long service of the type. Just as with it's contemporaries. This mentality is a feature of Star Trek Online, just taken to the next level (i.e. use of foreign made vessels).
The primary reason we didn't see more of the Constitution in later shows was budget. Television shows are not movies. They don't have Lucas-sized budgets to throw into special effects. Even in this age of CGI. Thus, a lot of re-hashing and reuse. But from an in-universe perspective, it would make perfect sense that the type would serve into the 24th Century, based on what we saw of Starfleet at the time.
And for the record, we don't know how many Excelsiors were in service by 2300. For all we know, there may have only been a handful in service.
lookmanohands:
Heck! We do not even know wether the Saratoga was a Miranda Class or not. It sure looked like the Reliant, and Spock categorized Reliant as a Miranda Class. Doesnt mean every ship that looks like Reliant is of the same class.
The Saratoga was indeed a Miranda variant. But the existence of the Soyuz does prove that you make a good point.
starkaos:
Some ship designs work better with upgrades than others. Vulcans and Klingons have been traveling in interstellar space with Warp Drives for hundreds of years longer than humans. Therefore, their ship designs have matured to the point where it is not necessary to create a new ship design every 10 years unless they have to introduce some completely new and revolutionary technology that requires a new ship design for it to work like a Quantum Slipstream Drive that is always active. With the Excelsior, the humans could have lucked out and found a ship design that is very upgradeable.
People tend to forget that Federation/Starfleet technology comes from the best minds in the Federation. And not all of them are from Earth or are Human. So, it would be logical that the experience and know-how of the Federation's older spacefaring races would be incorporated into Starfleet ship design. The Federation, after all, is a cooperative venture between all of it's member worlds.
Hmmm... 2 or 4 doors, windows, a hood, 4 wheels. Compare that to a starship. A saucer, an engineering hull, 2 nacelles. See the correlation yet? Also, if you look at the TOS Conny and TMP Conny, they also don't share many of the same characteristics interior or exterior. But they are both Constitution classes.
Your vastly oversimplyfying Architecture of a ship, internal geometry is complex, locations of internal systems are rather cleverly fitted in, You only have to look at the technical specifications to see why the Soverigns tech can't be put in a Constitution and be competetive due to the massive scaling down required , And don't pull an its more efficient BS because that same efficiency improvement can go on the Sovy as wel making it even better again
Aircraft carriers and Frigates both have pointy fronts and propellers on the back?, they must be real simialr to design and build to you as well?
Lets just retrofit this old U-Boat submarine to be a modern hunter killer sub , oh wait it can't be anywhere near as fast, as long ranged, as comfortable for crew or carry the same sensors as a modern one becsause its built to outdated technology and construction materials
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We simply haven't communicated what we are doing about this yet. That doesn't mean we aren't listening or have selective hearing. It means that we aren't ready to discuss our solution for this yet, or that the solution is still in the works.
Ru'afo's "Federation support, Federation procedures, Federation rules..." Ru'afo balks. "Look in the mirror, admiral! The Federation is old. In the last twenty-four months, it's been challenged by every major power in the quadrant ? the Borg, the Cardassians, the Dominion ? they all smell the scent of death on the Federation. That's why you've embraced our offer ? because it will give your dear Federation new life. Well, how badly do you want it, admiral? Because there are hard choices to be made now. If the Enterprise gets through with news about their brave captain's valiant struggle on behalf of the defenseless Ba'ku, your Federation politicians will waver, your Federation opinion polls will open a public debate, your Federation allies will want their say... need I go on?" Dougherty sits back in his chair, his arm having been twisted. "Send your ships."
All of my information points to the TOS Constitution being the sole victim of the CBS veto. All of the others are sketchy at best.
The TOS Connie wasn't the only thing vetoed by CBS. The Ent J was also vetoed - but that veto led to the Odyssey contest. There was even a cruiser skin that CBS vetoed even after Cryptic had shown its picture on the forum. After that Cryptic was a lot more careful about what they told us about prior to final approval.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
No, the Excelsior is like 40+ years older than the Constitution, and the Excelsior was kept up to date with the Lakota-type refit. So it kept it in service in spite of it being supposed to be replaced by the Sovereign-class.
And the D'Kyr design is hundreds of years old, but the ships themselves aren't that old. It's like how you can make new P-51s with kits, but it's not actually WW2 Era warbirds. Which explains the Utopia (NX).
The Excelsior is a newer ship than the Constitution class. It might be older than the Constellation class, but it is newer than the Constitution class....
You do realize that quote was in direct reference to the addition of the T5 and Fleet Cheyenne right?
It's clearly talking about T2 Cruisers as the question references the "same tier Nova and Saber," which are both T2 ships in the game.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Nonesense. The 2009 movie was Abrams job application for Star Wars. He would've gone anyway as soon as they had offered him something. Good riddance.
Yes, because Star Trek being a dead franchise and lets face it, IT WAS DEAD before Abrams came along and revived it is far preferable than letting trek actually be fun and enjoyable again. :rolleyes:
It's clearly talking about T2 Cruisers as the question references the "same tier Nova and Saber," which are both T2 ships in the game.
You misunderstand me. Cryptic made up their mind. They used the T3 cruiser instead of the T2 cruiser as the "fleet cruiser retrofit" to go with the "fleet escort retrofit" and "fleet science vessel retrofit". Which is exactly what the person Stahl is replying to asking about ("why no T5 cruiser coming with the starbase?")
In other words, it's an outdated quote that's already been resolved, and doesn't in any way imply any kind of unfinished decision on Cryptic's part to maybe one day if the moons align and an egg stands up the right way put in a Connie at T5.
Your vastly oversimplyfying Architecture of a ship, internal geometry is complex, locations of internal systems are rather cleverly fitted in, You only have to look at the technical specifications to see why the Soverigns tech can't be put in a Constitution and be competetive due to the massive scaling down required , And don't pull an its more efficient BS because that same efficiency improvement can go on the Sovy as wel making it even better again
Aircraft carriers and Frigates both have pointy fronts and propellers on the back?, they must be real simialr to design and build to you as well?
And you are overcomplicating it. Obviously the equipment from a Sovereign in its pristine state would not fit in a Conny, because of scale. No doubt the Sovereign is bigger than the Conny. Could you fit the airbags along with side impact beams and all the other new tech from a 2014 Corolla into the 1966 model? No. But all of that stuff isn't require to make the car go down the road and people still own older cars. You are splitting hairs for some reason and with your last comment you are just trying to be a jerk. :rolleyes:
Lets just retrofit this old U-Boat submarine to be a modern hunter killer sub , oh wait it can't be anywhere near as fast, as long ranged, as comfortable for crew or carry the same sensors as a modern one becsause its built to outdated technology and construction materials
If this is the case then in STO nobody should use anything except a Vesta, Odyssey, or Avenger. That's not the case though, we use the ships we want to use for whatever reason we desire. This isn't the modern IRL military, its a video game based on a Sci-Fi franchise.
not that im even remotely for a t5 connie, you do know that cbs has nothing (absolutely nothing) to do with jjverse right... thus, they could care less if they have the tmp or original connie competing with the dreaded jjverse ship..
Besides owning the rights to Star Trek and Paramount made the 2 new movies under license from CBS? Just like STO is made under license from CBS.
And you are overcomplicating it. Obviously the equipment from a Sovereign in its pristine state would not fit in a Conny, because of scale. No doubt the Sovereign is bigger than the Conny. Could you fit the airbags along with side impact beams and all the other new tech from a 2014 Corolla into the 1966 model? No. But all of that stuff isn't require to make the car go down the road and people still own older cars. You are splitting hairs for some reason and with your last comment you are just trying to be a jerk. :rolleyes:
If this is the case then in STO nobody should use anything except a Vesta, Odyssey, or Avenger. That's not the case though, we use the ships we want to use for whatever reason we desire. This isn't the modern IRL military, its a video game based on a Sci-Fi franchise.
Technically, the Mark XII U-boat would be a candidate for moderization to that underseac killer....
Yes, because Star Trek being a dead franchise and lets face it, IT WAS DEAD before Abrams came along and revived it is far preferable than letting trek actually be fun and enjoyable again. :rolleyes:
Star Trek being on reruns of old shows is far preferrable to an abomination with the Star Trek name that has shed everything that made Star Trek great and unique. We don't need another brain-dead science fiction franchise, there are plenty of those.
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Star Trek being on reruns of old shows is far preferrable to an abomination with the Star Trek name that has shed everything that made Star Trek great and unique. We don't need another brain-dead science fiction franchise, there are plenty of those.
Here's a tip, get your old TOS and TNG VHS and lock yourself into your room and unplug your internet and you will never ever have to deal with "that New Stuff" again...
The Excelsior is a newer ship than the Constitution class. It might be older than the Constellation class, but it is newer than the Constitution class....
Yet still far older than the Excalibur, Vesper, and Exeter. Excelsior is in T5 solely because it is a dev's pet favorite.
Here's a tip, get your old TOS and TNG VHS and lock yourself into your room and unplug your internet and you will never ever have to deal with "that New Stuff" again...
Unplugging the internet? And miss all the awesome stuff real Star Trek Fans create? How about you watch "Of Gods and Men". Then we can talk again. Or you can cry because Abrams doesn't produce more TRIBBLE with the Star Trek label on it. Your choice.:D
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Why don't they just unable it so you can make your T2 Const. refit into a TOS version?
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Yes, because Star Trek being a dead franchise and lets face it, IT WAS DEAD before Abrams came along and revived it is far preferable than letting trek actually be fun and enjoyable again.
It was even before JJ came along and riuned it for the diehard fans that grew up with it is the 60s.
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Technically, the Mark XII U-boat would be a candidate for moderization to that underseac killer....
I was hoping nobody would notice my error there , though it would lac consiodarably in terms or durable operation times due to a small torpedo compliment
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CBS know nothing about gaming just look how well star Trek The Game is doing and read what I posted on the main site of Star Trek-Gamers and then you will see.
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The point is you don't put the T5 ships as MUSEM PIECES , they are supposed to represent the top of the line vessels, the lower tiers are there for th old stuff that gets taken out of some MOTHBALL yard for some newbie Lieutenants
This is essentially what starships have been reduced to in STO. STO is all about 'collecting them all' and having a variety of ships at your disposal. STO is not about taking one ship and being able to infinitely modify it or being able to make one ship great (like the Enterprise).
I hear what you are saying but the fact is that Cryptic has already broken this. By adding ships like the D'Kyr, T'varo, and D7 at T5, all of which are older than the TOS Conny let alone the TMP Conny, and I would have to ask what would adding 1 more ship hurt? Especially when it is the most iconic ship in the history of the franchise.
Those cars share almost none of the same Body panels , chasis parts, engines or components of their original name sakes though
They are new cars that sell well by existing success being assosiated with the name and general look
They aren't the same ships, its a new vessel baring the namesake, Lik the Valdore class , it bares the name of a famous Mogai
Hmmm... 2 or 4 doors, windows, a hood, 4 wheels. Compare that to a starship. A saucer, an engineering hull, 2 nacelles. See the correlation yet? Also, if you look at the TOS Conny and TMP Conny, they also don't share many of the same characteristics interior or exterior. But they are both Constitution classes.
Nonesense. The 2009 movie was Abrams job application for Star Wars. He would've gone anyway as soon as they had offered him something. Good riddance.
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I'm aware that CBS has to green light most, if not all, of the IP canon material present in the game. However, the developers at Cryptic have some freedom in content. Or else Cryptic would have never got the game off of the ground, if CBS had to go over everything with a fine tooth comb.
All of my information points to the TOS Constitution being the sole victim of the CBS veto. All of the others are sketchy at best. If somebody has a link, I would appreciate if somebody would post it. It would make for interesting reading.
One ship doesn't equal an entire class. And when a newer design becomes the new "flagship", it doesn't mean the older class is retired outright. It just means it's no longer the "face" of Starfleet and the Federation. A prime example is the continuation of the Excelsior, Ambassador, and Galaxy classes in service after they no longer represented cutting edge in starship design and lost their "flagship" status.
The NCC-1701-A could've just easily been an early victim of the newly minted Khitomer Accords, and the senior crew was set for retirement. This streamlining of the Fleet and passing of the torch was a golden opportunity for a new flagship to represent the Fleet in this new age, while the older Constitution soldiered on among the rank and file.
And Wolf 359 wasn't the only place where a wreck of the Constitution was present. The U.S.S. Olympia was another example of a Constitution wreck appearing on-screen (Although the nacelle was from a Miranda, which is more or less the same unit).
As for suckatude at Wolf 359, the Fleet's best vessels fared no better than the supposedly inferior Constitution (which, like the Miranda, Excelsior and Oberth, would have been kept up to date with the latest technology). Even Hanson's flagship, which was stated to be an unnamed Galaxy class in the final shooting script (not to mention the battle bridge footage shown in "The Best of Both Worlds". They wanted to use the Galaxy main bridge, but has to settle for a battle bridge scene due to budget and schedule).
No offense, but I don't seek validation. I only call it like I see it. If a certain segment on these forums act like jerks (or worse, Star Trek Online's version of the Holy Inquisition), I'm going to point it out. Especially if acting that way isn't called for. It's just a bad habit of mine, so don't mind little 'ol me.
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We've danced this dance before, admiralq1732.
Canon evidence on screen shows that the Constitution "refit" served in some capacity well into the late 2360's at least. There is no evidence that they were solely inactive mothballed vessels kept as some sort of emergency reserve. Other than supposition, there is no evidence of a complete decommissioning of the class in general. Some people just assume so since it "makes sense" to them.
Starfleet (in canon) had a habit of squeezing the most out of a proven ship class. The Constitution had an extensive, proven service record. New examples and upgrades to the newest technology, combined with a rugged design, would allow for a long service of the type. Just as with it's contemporaries. This mentality is a feature of Star Trek Online, just taken to the next level (i.e. use of foreign made vessels).
The primary reason we didn't see more of the Constitution in later shows was budget. Television shows are not movies. They don't have Lucas-sized budgets to throw into special effects. Even in this age of CGI. Thus, a lot of re-hashing and reuse. But from an in-universe perspective, it would make perfect sense that the type would serve into the 24th Century, based on what we saw of Starfleet at the time.
And for the record, we don't know how many Excelsiors were in service by 2300. For all we know, there may have only been a handful in service.
lookmanohands:
The Saratoga was indeed a Miranda variant. But the existence of the Soyuz does prove that you make a good point.
starkaos:
People tend to forget that Federation/Starfleet technology comes from the best minds in the Federation. And not all of them are from Earth or are Human. So, it would be logical that the experience and know-how of the Federation's older spacefaring races would be incorporated into Starfleet ship design. The Federation, after all, is a cooperative venture between all of it's member worlds.
Your vastly oversimplyfying Architecture of a ship, internal geometry is complex, locations of internal systems are rather cleverly fitted in, You only have to look at the technical specifications to see why the Soverigns tech can't be put in a Constitution and be competetive due to the massive scaling down required , And don't pull an its more efficient BS because that same efficiency improvement can go on the Sovy as wel making it even better again
Aircraft carriers and Frigates both have pointy fronts and propellers on the back?, they must be real simialr to design and build to you as well?
Lets just retrofit this old U-Boat submarine to be a modern hunter killer sub , oh wait it can't be anywhere near as fast, as long ranged, as comfortable for crew or carry the same sensors as a modern one becsause its built to outdated technology and construction materials
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system Lord Baal is dead
You do realize that quote was in direct reference to the addition of the T5 and Fleet Cheyenne right?
The Excelsior is a newer ship than the Constitution class. It might be older than the Constellation class, but it is newer than the Constitution class....
Yes, because Star Trek being a dead franchise and lets face it, IT WAS DEAD before Abrams came along and revived it is far preferable than letting trek actually be fun and enjoyable again. :rolleyes:
You sure?
"People (myself included) have been asking about the lack of a T5 Fleet Cruiser, given that the same tier Nova and Sabre are getting T5 variants"
Nova and Saber are Tier 2.
Cheyenne is Tier 3 and she's called "Heavy Cruiser", "Cruiser" is the name of the T2 connie refit.
You misunderstand me. Cryptic made up their mind. They used the T3 cruiser instead of the T2 cruiser as the "fleet cruiser retrofit" to go with the "fleet escort retrofit" and "fleet science vessel retrofit". Which is exactly what the person Stahl is replying to asking about ("why no T5 cruiser coming with the starbase?")
In other words, it's an outdated quote that's already been resolved, and doesn't in any way imply any kind of unfinished decision on Cryptic's part to maybe one day if the moons align and an egg stands up the right way put in a Connie at T5.
Post in question. Post linked in post in question.
Yes, I'm sure. The response to all of it was the addition of the Cheyenne at T5.
And you are overcomplicating it. Obviously the equipment from a Sovereign in its pristine state would not fit in a Conny, because of scale. No doubt the Sovereign is bigger than the Conny. Could you fit the airbags along with side impact beams and all the other new tech from a 2014 Corolla into the 1966 model? No. But all of that stuff isn't require to make the car go down the road and people still own older cars. You are splitting hairs for some reason and with your last comment you are just trying to be a jerk. :rolleyes:
If this is the case then in STO nobody should use anything except a Vesta, Odyssey, or Avenger. That's not the case though, we use the ships we want to use for whatever reason we desire. This isn't the modern IRL military, its a video game based on a Sci-Fi franchise.
Besides owning the rights to Star Trek and Paramount made the 2 new movies under license from CBS? Just like STO is made under license from CBS.
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Technically, the Mark XII U-boat would be a candidate for moderization to that underseac killer....
Star Trek being on reruns of old shows is far preferrable to an abomination with the Star Trek name that has shed everything that made Star Trek great and unique. We don't need another brain-dead science fiction franchise, there are plenty of those.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
I'm not following what you are saying. What's a Mk XII U-boat?
edit: others are suggesting you mean the Type VII U-Boat. Yes, I agree. This is a good example.
Here's a tip, get your old TOS and TNG VHS and lock yourself into your room and unplug your internet and you will never ever have to deal with "that New Stuff" again...
Unplugging the internet? And miss all the awesome stuff real Star Trek Fans create? How about you watch "Of Gods and Men". Then we can talk again. Or you can cry because Abrams doesn't produce more TRIBBLE with the Star Trek label on it. Your choice.:D
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
It was even before JJ came along and riuned it for the diehard fans that grew up with it is the 60s.
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I was hoping nobody would notice my error there , though it would lac consiodarably in terms or durable operation times due to a small torpedo compliment
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