I used to say, "Good luck, all..." at the end of a match - avoiding the whole mess that involves GG. After seeing Bran slap people upside the head with a reply and always ending it with Cheers, I've gone with just saying, "Cheers." at the end of a match.
I mean, have you seen some of Bran's posts? They're a trip. Good news, bad news, modslap backhand...it's always Cheers.
Yeah some times I do admit it can be irritating.. like some one smiling right after they just defiled your girlfriend and told you about it. :P
You think that your beta test was bad?
Think about this: American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
I used to say, "Good luck, all..." at the end of a match - avoiding the whole mess that involves GG. After seeing Bran slap people upside the head with a reply and always ending it with Cheers, I've gone with just saying, "Cheers." at the end of a match.
I mean, have you seen some of Bran's posts? They're a trip. Good news, bad news, modslap backhand...it's always Cheers.
win, lose, draw, having no ego always means its a GG to me.
Its hard for me to want to gg, Roach, when my self, and the team I got pugged up with gets their shields/hull melted by an organized pre/pugmade.
Even there, I could still drop out the gg in the past. When same said group would pat themselves on the back or ridicule the pug I was part of...well, I'd usually break out a selection of expletives and various statements that just...well...yeah.
On the other side, where I've been in a PUG that had healers - somebody calling targets - while the other side was short, had an afker, no healers, etc, etc, etc...well, I can see trying to say gg as in they put up a good fight - but with egos the way they are, it's far too easy for it to be taken wrong regardless of how it's meant.
"Good luck, all..." - well, a combination of not really wanting to wish some of the people out there good luck (when I'd rather they stubbed their toes on the way to take a leak in the morning) and it being too long to type...led to the Cheers. I had considered Thanks, but - well - that could be taken wrong easily too. Cheers. WTF is cheers? Heh, doesn't leave much room for it to be taken wrong and I'm out of there...
Cheers. WTF is cheers? Heh, doesn't leave much room for it to be taken wrong and I'm out of there...
British explative that basically says hidey ho good day I'm gone.
And it also is used for toasting. It basically means good job, well done, well played, everything and nothing. Hence why Bran uses it, and hence why the Brits use it. Go figure eh?
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
British explative that basically says hidey ho good day I'm gone.
And it also is used for toasting. It basically means good job, well done, well played, everything and nothing. Hence why Bran uses it, and hence why the Brits use it. Go figure eh?
Well, I know what cheers can mean - but in it's use - it's about the most non-offensive way you can say anything. It's, imho, the best way of saying nothing without coming off as the guy that said nothing.
Well, I know what cheers can mean - but in it's use - it's about the most non-offensive way you can say anything. It's, imho, the best way of saying nothing without coming off as the guy that said nothing.
It is better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and leave no doubt of that fact.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Course the alternative is that you don't speak english. ZING!
Heh, have to wonder how many folks have been thought of as being poor sports because they didn't speak English or that folks took a "gg" the wrong way, when somebody was just trying to say the simplest thing they figured everybody could understand, eh?
Heh, have to wonder how many folks have been thought of as being poor sports because they didn't speak English or that folks took a "gg" the wrong way, when somebody was just trying to say the simplest thing they figured everybody could understand, eh?
In all honesty, I have said GG in actually good PvP matches, and then had someone trash talking me because they had a bad match when the rest of their team did just fine.
Hell, even when I get roflstomped in a match, I still say gg simply because it was a good game for me. And even if I lose, it's always a good game because I always learn something. I mean, isn't that the point? Practice makes perfect, and if you never lose, you can never know what actually doesn't work.
There's a reason that my build has changed literally 6 times over the past two weeks. And it's all because of PvP. I am maximizing my build as best I can, and changing how I play. And I have gotten better. I don't get last place anymore in Arena matches, and I don't get laughed at 24/7 in OPvP either. Still haven't ventured into TD, but probably going to rectify that soon.
But I ask again, what's the point of PvPing if you don't learn? Why QQ when you get smashed when you can instead look back at what happened and improve upon it? PvP bootcamp was great (but courtesy of work I ended up missing the last 2 sessions which pissed me off, but eh whatever) and it provided a wonderful foundation. And the coaches all emphasized that you learn with each match. Even those guys who are either pros/really good at PvP are also still learning. And I do my best to do the same.
Even if it's just a slight change to timing, or using ability A instead of ability B, every game you should get better.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Even if it's just a slight change to timing, or using ability A instead of ability B, every game you should get better.
That's how I try to play...even in blowing myself up - trying to blow myself up better (and complaining when I don't die to a self-inflicted crit (it's embarrassing to die to a self-inflicted non-crit).
However, there are certain matches - certain deaths...there's nothing to learn, imho. Different folks might have different standards on that, and well - it takes a lot to be going on for me not to be able to get something out of it...but Cryptic's got enough TRIBBLE in the game for that to still be the case from time to time.
Its hard for me to want to gg, Roach, when my self, and the team I got pugged up with gets their shields/hull melted by an organized pre/pugmade.
Understandable. I only feel letdown or get upset when my own performance is less than supportive to the pug I am on and leads to a loss or poor showing.
I am my own worse critic which leads to my stayimg away from pvp more often than not.
No one likes to lose but how we accept losing helps to define who we are and how we accept the hard times in life.
If we let outrage at loss define us then we lose objectivity over what we may have done that led to that same defeat.
Ok, Im waxing into wierd areas and will be silent.
They need to make Ker'rat Zone Chat a chat you read anywhere....
If I could read this while pugging probes in KASE, my STFs would never be boring. If I could read this while waiting for DOff missions, I would never be bored. PLEASE MAKE THIS HAPPEN. XD
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
If I could read this while pugging probes in KASE, my STFs would never be boring. If I could read this while waiting for DOff missions, I would never be bored. PLEASE MAKE THIS HAPPEN. XD
OrganizedPvP has kept me sane many a time while levelling.
Without it I would have gone insane while doing my levelling of my first Klingon.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Glad to see that this thread has been able to be a brighter light on the forums, btw. And I still can't thank everyone enough for the help being offered.
Some times even a good vet just needs the right kind of help.
You think that your beta test was bad?
Think about this: American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Here I go again.. another wall of Rant.. I mean Text...
Well after not only my latest night of PVPing in the random ques.. and looking at the Exchange and prices of different things.. I just don't know why I bother any more..
I don't know what I pvp for any more. It used to be fun. Used to never matter quite so much about the ship you flew or the Gear you had.. hell you didn't even have to grind really.
Now its practically lockbox ship or bust. I try flying C-store ships, but no matter what I see, If there is a single Lock box, Lobi, or other special ship that can't be attained via Fleet/C-store, that other team is guarenteed to either win by a large margin, or just down right pug stomp.
Which then brings me back to what this game is so revolved around: Grinding.
Want the best gear in the game? Grind
Want the Best ship for your gear and play style? Grind
Want to have any fun at all in STO? Grind
And I don't mean small, takes maybe a week of grinding to accomplish it with one toon.
I mean the near conglomerate of toons you'd need, and the total amount of dedication to the grind you'd have to partake in just to enjoy maybe an hour of PVP.. and even then you might not enjoy it because then it means more grinding to make up for what ever you might have used during that PVP.
And I have to wonder, in the development of the game, is this what they find fun? I doubt it, but obviouosly it is a business, and instead of worrying about what might be fun, its more about what brings in the most money. Which again fuels the all mighty Grind.
Want that shiny and powerful Lockbox ship sitting in the Exchange? Sorry, gotta spend months grinding the EC unless you get lucky and hit the EC lottery your self.
You want those nifty Fleet Gear? Sorry, you gotta find a fleet that spent almost a year and then some grinding for it.. and even then they might sell access.. but the access just fuels more grinding for them..
Want those cool reputation powers and items? Yep, you guessed it.. more grinding..And that is something that will take at least 2 months, if not more!
All I see is a giant toilet where all this time and energy is being flushed down into with almost no feeling of reward. I don't feel good that I just earned something new. I just feel exhausted because I had to spend so much time just to get to that part that by the time I can enjoy it, I'd rather find something else to do.
And what is there to do in STO? Make Missions in the Foundry? Nah, not my thing any more. Grind Dilithium for the next big thing? Why bother. Play STFs? No Challange, or no fun value after the.. 100,000,000th time running them. Even this CEC event just is another excuse to add in a grind to give fuel for your other grinds.
So maybe I am burnt out on STO. Maybe it is me. Sure I could walk away from STO. But then comes the problem with having to re-adapt to new patches while I'm gone. Or *Gasp* Grind out new gear that gets released.
And then there is the thought of why not just quit STO all together? If I hate it so much these days, why even bother logging in at all? Because I've spent way too much time and money to just walk away. I have a life time subscription. So I can't just Quit.
I feel like I'm in the "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't" situation with STO. I'm just so tired of it all. And there doesn't seem to be any end to it..
I just want to be able to play STO.. Maybe fly around Ker'rat.. And while I can do that, I'm not competative doing it with out the grind.. so I'm stuck...and depressed..and bored..and tired of dealing with things that just feel as if that is the direction that the makers of STO want the game to go..
So.. there comes the circle of why am I here? Why do I play? I used to think it was for fun.. Maybe I was wrong.. Maybe I just don't want to admit that I can't do this any more..
What does this have to do with PVP? Everything. Because in the end, its how we get the shinies we use to blow each other up, or try to keep each other alive in a match. And I just don't find grinding to be fun. I don't know how anyone else does. And I'm surprised there aren't more threads complaining about it.
You think that your beta test was bad?
Think about this: American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
OrganizedPvP has kept me sane many a time while levelling.
Without it I would have gone insane while doing my levelling of my first Klingon.
Repeating Rom missions over and over. :eek:
Snog you gotta share the burden of levelling a bit. I have stacks of toons, should enlist me to help pump those levels out.
But overall PvP has to be fun. If you're not having fun any more go to the beach, have a beer and enjoy life. Do what you love in you're free time. I choose to spend some of my free time playing STO. Because it's fun for me. Yes the game changes and elite gear comes around. It's a *****, no doubt about it. Particularly for me as I didn't have any fleet gear til recently.
It's no fun fighting a 1v1 with a JHAS who has elite fleet gear and all purples and then you're on a Fedscort with manly blues and an exchange shield. But when you get you're GDF and time your Alpha accordingly then blow them into space dust it is the most satisfying. I treat it as a challenge and I will always be under equipped compared to others. But as Horizon says "have fun, kill bad guys". Emphasis on the "have fun".
Inner Circle / Special Circumstances Gardiner, Suval, Thran Korvak, Raketh, Xedar, Zidow Decis, Vesok
Well......I understand your tiredness. When that happens, take a break. Don't worry about coming back in later. When updating afterwards, just keep one toon current, and forget about the rest. That's the case for me - only one toon has full rep, while the others are just left behind.
However, during burnout, I do still do a little grinding - however, it's kept to doffing, which can at least continue while not playing.
Also, if you find yourself getting tired, don't pug the queues. Instead, stick to TD. Things will be better that way.
I can't say anything about the fleet grind, but you can at least mitigate it for yourself using the Public Service and NoP Public Service channels.
I used to enjoy going wheeee with Plague (Fed Eng w/ Chel Grett) and Prophet (KDF Eng w/ JHEC) - didn't expect to kill anything...just be annoying. Now, well - they might as well be flying freighters - heck, freighters would probably last longer.
So I started enjoying going wheee and being annoying with Willard (Rem Sci w/ Fleet T'varo). In the past week, I've wondered if he should be flying a Suliban.
Though, admittedly - I had a happy death yesterday, the first in a long time. They were persistent, they worked together, they outplayed me...it was a good death. I went to thank them for it and my internet dropped...meh.
Frankly, it seems like the more folks discuss issues - the more folks point out what is broken - the longer that Cryptic doesn't address things...the more that some folks out there take it as a To-Do list of what they should be doing.
Some Players: Hey, Cryptic - this stuff may be OP - may not be working as intended.
Cryptic:
Some Players: Cryptic?
Cryptic:
Some Other Players: Oh, nifty!
Sometimes, the most fun I have in PvP these days is just dropping a Warp Shadow to watch what folks drop out on it. It's a freaking Warp Shadow, it's freaking obvious that it's not a player, and it's freaking hilarious to watch how many 3m consoles and all the rest get dropped on it by 3-4 or more players.
Then you have the players with enough common sense not to do something that stupid, but all that means is that they're dropping out all that garbage on actual players instead.
Yeah, that death yesterday - really wish I could have thanked them - it was awesome. No broken TRIBBLE, just team work and persistence...it was definitely a good job on their part.
I see where you are coming from. I am new and have just started with a fleet ship - blah blah blah. I LOVE PVP but it is almost a no-go zone because of the completely freaked out powers that I didn't even know existed. I get completely melted by strange powers and tech. Sometimes its like I don't even have shields?!?!?! It would be better if when you joining the pvp, the game would analyse the ship you have, the stuff you have and the powers you can do and divide up the players and put them in different groups. It would make it more enjoyable if you had a chance!
PvP is the only thing keeping me in this game. When it works it is glorious.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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Yeah some times I do admit it can be irritating.. like some one smiling right after they just defiled your girlfriend and told you about it. :P
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Star Trek Online, Now with out the Trek....
win, lose, draw, having no ego always means its a GG to me.
R.I.P
Its hard for me to want to gg, Roach, when my self, and the team I got pugged up with gets their shields/hull melted by an organized pre/pugmade.
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Even there, I could still drop out the gg in the past. When same said group would pat themselves on the back or ridicule the pug I was part of...well, I'd usually break out a selection of expletives and various statements that just...well...yeah.
On the other side, where I've been in a PUG that had healers - somebody calling targets - while the other side was short, had an afker, no healers, etc, etc, etc...well, I can see trying to say gg as in they put up a good fight - but with egos the way they are, it's far too easy for it to be taken wrong regardless of how it's meant.
"Good luck, all..." - well, a combination of not really wanting to wish some of the people out there good luck (when I'd rather they stubbed their toes on the way to take a leak in the morning) and it being too long to type...led to the Cheers. I had considered Thanks, but - well - that could be taken wrong easily too. Cheers. WTF is cheers? Heh, doesn't leave much room for it to be taken wrong and I'm out of there...
British explative that basically says hidey ho good day I'm gone.
And it also is used for toasting. It basically means good job, well done, well played, everything and nothing. Hence why Bran uses it, and hence why the Brits use it. Go figure eh?
Well, I know what cheers can mean - but in it's use - it's about the most non-offensive way you can say anything. It's, imho, the best way of saying nothing without coming off as the guy that said nothing.
It is better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and leave no doubt of that fact.
It's better to offer the softest and vaguest of "thanks" possible than come off a poor sport.
Course the alternative is that you don't speak english. ZING!
Heh, have to wonder how many folks have been thought of as being poor sports because they didn't speak English or that folks took a "gg" the wrong way, when somebody was just trying to say the simplest thing they figured everybody could understand, eh?
In all honesty, I have said GG in actually good PvP matches, and then had someone trash talking me because they had a bad match when the rest of their team did just fine.
Hell, even when I get roflstomped in a match, I still say gg simply because it was a good game for me. And even if I lose, it's always a good game because I always learn something. I mean, isn't that the point? Practice makes perfect, and if you never lose, you can never know what actually doesn't work.
There's a reason that my build has changed literally 6 times over the past two weeks. And it's all because of PvP. I am maximizing my build as best I can, and changing how I play. And I have gotten better. I don't get last place anymore in Arena matches, and I don't get laughed at 24/7 in OPvP either. Still haven't ventured into TD, but probably going to rectify that soon.
But I ask again, what's the point of PvPing if you don't learn? Why QQ when you get smashed when you can instead look back at what happened and improve upon it? PvP bootcamp was great (but courtesy of work I ended up missing the last 2 sessions which pissed me off, but eh whatever) and it provided a wonderful foundation. And the coaches all emphasized that you learn with each match. Even those guys who are either pros/really good at PvP are also still learning. And I do my best to do the same.
Even if it's just a slight change to timing, or using ability A instead of ability B, every game you should get better.
That's how I try to play...even in blowing myself up - trying to blow myself up better (and complaining when I don't die to a self-inflicted crit (it's embarrassing to die to a self-inflicted non-crit).
However, there are certain matches - certain deaths...there's nothing to learn, imho. Different folks might have different standards on that, and well - it takes a lot to be going on for me not to be able to get something out of it...but Cryptic's got enough TRIBBLE in the game for that to still be the case from time to time.
Understandable. I only feel letdown or get upset when my own performance is less than supportive to the pug I am on and leads to a loss or poor showing.
I am my own worse critic which leads to my stayimg away from pvp more often than not.
No one likes to lose but how we accept losing helps to define who we are and how we accept the hard times in life.
If we let outrage at loss define us then we lose objectivity over what we may have done that led to that same defeat.
Ok, Im waxing into wierd areas and will be silent.
R.I.P
As it is, I just say "Thanks for playing." after someone took offense even to "Thanks for the match."
We can do a 10v10 if you guys join!
They need to make Ker'rat Zone Chat a chat you read anywhere....
This. Yes. This.
If I could read this while pugging probes in KASE, my STFs would never be boring. If I could read this while waiting for DOff missions, I would never be bored. PLEASE MAKE THIS HAPPEN. XD
OrganizedPvP has kept me sane many a time while levelling.
Without it I would have gone insane while doing my levelling of my first Klingon.
Repeating Rom missions over and over. :eek:
I still agree with virus. Ker'rat chat should be it's own channel viewable from anywhere in the game.
Why not MAKE a Ker'rat chat channel? So even if you aren't in Ker'rat, you can read Ker'rat chat. Tell everyone if anybody does make it.
I'm just sayin.
Then again that is what makes going to Ker'rat worth it. Other wise why go to Ker'rat?
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
That is true.
But obviously people would NEVER go to Ker'rat to farm. I mean, that would just be downright silly. :P
Some times even a good vet just needs the right kind of help.
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Well after not only my latest night of PVPing in the random ques.. and looking at the Exchange and prices of different things.. I just don't know why I bother any more..
I don't know what I pvp for any more. It used to be fun. Used to never matter quite so much about the ship you flew or the Gear you had.. hell you didn't even have to grind really.
Now its practically lockbox ship or bust. I try flying C-store ships, but no matter what I see, If there is a single Lock box, Lobi, or other special ship that can't be attained via Fleet/C-store, that other team is guarenteed to either win by a large margin, or just down right pug stomp.
Which then brings me back to what this game is so revolved around: Grinding.
Want the best gear in the game? Grind
Want the Best ship for your gear and play style? Grind
Want to have any fun at all in STO? Grind
And I don't mean small, takes maybe a week of grinding to accomplish it with one toon.
I mean the near conglomerate of toons you'd need, and the total amount of dedication to the grind you'd have to partake in just to enjoy maybe an hour of PVP.. and even then you might not enjoy it because then it means more grinding to make up for what ever you might have used during that PVP.
And I have to wonder, in the development of the game, is this what they find fun? I doubt it, but obviouosly it is a business, and instead of worrying about what might be fun, its more about what brings in the most money. Which again fuels the all mighty Grind.
Want that shiny and powerful Lockbox ship sitting in the Exchange? Sorry, gotta spend months grinding the EC unless you get lucky and hit the EC lottery your self.
You want those nifty Fleet Gear? Sorry, you gotta find a fleet that spent almost a year and then some grinding for it.. and even then they might sell access.. but the access just fuels more grinding for them..
Want those cool reputation powers and items? Yep, you guessed it.. more grinding..And that is something that will take at least 2 months, if not more!
All I see is a giant toilet where all this time and energy is being flushed down into with almost no feeling of reward. I don't feel good that I just earned something new. I just feel exhausted because I had to spend so much time just to get to that part that by the time I can enjoy it, I'd rather find something else to do.
And what is there to do in STO? Make Missions in the Foundry? Nah, not my thing any more. Grind Dilithium for the next big thing? Why bother. Play STFs? No Challange, or no fun value after the.. 100,000,000th time running them. Even this CEC event just is another excuse to add in a grind to give fuel for your other grinds.
So maybe I am burnt out on STO. Maybe it is me. Sure I could walk away from STO. But then comes the problem with having to re-adapt to new patches while I'm gone. Or *Gasp* Grind out new gear that gets released.
And then there is the thought of why not just quit STO all together? If I hate it so much these days, why even bother logging in at all? Because I've spent way too much time and money to just walk away. I have a life time subscription. So I can't just Quit.
I feel like I'm in the "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't" situation with STO. I'm just so tired of it all. And there doesn't seem to be any end to it..
I just want to be able to play STO.. Maybe fly around Ker'rat.. And while I can do that, I'm not competative doing it with out the grind.. so I'm stuck...and depressed..and bored..and tired of dealing with things that just feel as if that is the direction that the makers of STO want the game to go..
So.. there comes the circle of why am I here? Why do I play? I used to think it was for fun.. Maybe I was wrong.. Maybe I just don't want to admit that I can't do this any more..
What does this have to do with PVP? Everything. Because in the end, its how we get the shinies we use to blow each other up, or try to keep each other alive in a match. And I just don't find grinding to be fun. I don't know how anyone else does. And I'm surprised there aren't more threads complaining about it.
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Snog you gotta share the burden of levelling a bit. I have stacks of toons, should enlist me to help pump those levels out.
But overall PvP has to be fun. If you're not having fun any more go to the beach, have a beer and enjoy life. Do what you love in you're free time. I choose to spend some of my free time playing STO. Because it's fun for me. Yes the game changes and elite gear comes around. It's a *****, no doubt about it. Particularly for me as I didn't have any fleet gear til recently.
It's no fun fighting a 1v1 with a JHAS who has elite fleet gear and all purples and then you're on a Fedscort with manly blues and an exchange shield. But when you get you're GDF and time your Alpha accordingly then blow them into space dust it is the most satisfying. I treat it as a challenge and I will always be under equipped compared to others. But as Horizon says "have fun, kill bad guys". Emphasis on the "have fun".
Gardiner, Suval, Thran
Korvak, Raketh, Xedar, Zidow
Decis, Vesok
Well......I understand your tiredness. When that happens, take a break. Don't worry about coming back in later. When updating afterwards, just keep one toon current, and forget about the rest. That's the case for me - only one toon has full rep, while the others are just left behind.
However, during burnout, I do still do a little grinding - however, it's kept to doffing, which can at least continue while not playing.
Also, if you find yourself getting tired, don't pug the queues. Instead, stick to TD. Things will be better that way.
I can't say anything about the fleet grind, but you can at least mitigate it for yourself using the Public Service and NoP Public Service channels.
- Judge Aaron Satie