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trwarbuck
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You would be thinking that because these ships is basically end game starships they would have the maximum number of consoles that a ship could have (10) or at least 9 and a hanger slot. Since this is also the top of the line starship that a player should be able to get, it should also have the capability of using any universal consoles that is available to the faction that it is from. Of course Universal consoles like the Aquarius - escort or the HoH'SuS Bird-of-Prey shouldn't be able to be used because they are starships in themselves and nearly as large as the 1000 day Veteran ship.
I know the Federation would love to be able to equip the cloaking device to the Chimera and the KDF would love to have those Disruptor Autocannons. It would also be nice to be able to use sets like the one for the Ar'kif retrofit and Ar'kala on the Romulan 1000 day Veteran starship.
Would this ability make these ships over powered. When you look at the ability of all the Universal console (9) on one starship, no. Seeing that I have found that having more than three universal consoles on a single starship puts you at a disadvantage rather than an advantage. Now having the ability to use all of the Scimitar Universal consoles on this ship might, but a way to counter this would be that the Theleron Pulse would only be available to be used on the Scimitar and its variants.
So how about giving the 1000 Day veteran starship another console slot or a hanger bay slot?
I know the Federation would love to be able to equip the cloaking device to the Chimera and the KDF would love to have those Disruptor Autocannons. It would also be nice to be able to use sets like the one for the Ar'kif retrofit and Ar'kala on the Romulan 1000 day Veteran starship.
Would this ability make these ships over powered. When you look at the ability of all the Universal console (9) on one starship, no. Seeing that I have found that having more than three universal consoles on a single starship puts you at a disadvantage rather than an advantage. Now having the ability to use all of the Scimitar Universal consoles on this ship might, but a way to counter this would be that the Theleron Pulse would only be available to be used on the Scimitar and its variants.
So how about giving the 1000 Day veteran starship another console slot or a hanger bay slot?
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IMO they look cool with the attack mode animation, and that makes them good enough for me.....
( that's my favorite thing about the garumba too.... )
can you tell I'm not a min/maxer ? lol. :cool::rolleyes:
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The game is already far too cloak-heavy, IMO.
Anyway, I think the only thing needed (and probably the most realistic "ask") would be a fleet version (locked to 1000-day vets, of course.)
So far no 10th console got added, and let me again state why I don't think it is necessary:
The ships are very maneuverable, have high hull strength already at fleet ship level, a much better boff layout than many other ships and a really awesome console ability that doesn't require a mostly 1 weak and 1 so-so console set as it basically is a two-in-one console.
I also don't think any problem gets solved or more ships of not-so-exciting qualities solved if you just slap a hangar bay on it.
The Rommie version isn't so much if any better than the Mogai Retro, but for the KDF this is really the best "destroyer" style Escort, the same can be said for the Federations.
I really would not bet on a fleet version or a 10 console update anytime soon.
I would love and extra console slot, but I don't see them making it any time soon....
Eeeh... Having them able to use any console is a bit wonky. I would say no to that idea.
However, making them all a little different could be nice and the Chimera needs SOMETHING.
Here is my idea for this:
Give the Chimera a single Hangar.
Give the Pegh'qu a little Additional Hull Resistance and Weapon Damage boost (probably only as long as its console is equipped).
Give the Daeinos a better turn rate to keep up with the likes of the Defiant Retro. (It looks way too sleek and slender to be so sluggish)
Keep everything else the same besides maybe giving all of them one more console slot.
One Engineering for the Chimera.
One Tactical for the Pegh'qu.
One Science of the Daeinos.
This would make each fly a bit differently and would certainly make it less obvious which was king and which just sucked.
Though, I do not see the idea changing the current veteran ship. On my main account I got it (just to say). It's a gimmick, a little extra fun or whatever. Not really a usable OP ship to compare with C-store ships. It does as intended: decent.
Just about the only thing I'd like to see changed is the transformer console to become an innate ability.
No extra console slot required, merely free one of those already there up.
Other than that very minor gripe, I rather like the vet ships as they are.
Decent destroyers, giving a different option at end game.
This seems right to me. Though I would make it available at T4 or T5. Speaking as a vet I don't think its to much to ask of me to help grind my fleet up to get my fleet destroyer.
Totally agree. The Chimera's a lovely ship, but freeing up a console slot would be most welcome.
How about we compromise at T3? T3 seems to be a break-point where even dedicated small fleets tend to burn out.
I don't think being in a large fleet should be a requirement for this.
Probably the best idea out therefor any possible enhancements to the veteran ship.
That would pretty much make it a fleet level ship with the only downside that the "tenth console" is fixed to the transformer ability.
I'd go for this as well. The only downside is that it's work with no benefit for Cryptic, which would naturally push it down the priority scale. A Fleet version would sell FSMs...
...which explains why you think the 1000-day ships are overpowered.
And who are you to say what the ships are and are not supposed to be? :rolleyes:
I would rather see veteran award ships as incentive to subscribe with its own tiered store with 5, or 10, levels of equipment.
Have the store items be a variation of fleet and reputation, but use Lobi as the currency. Items would be as equally compelling as fleet and reputation equipment for different reasons.
2.7 years of paid subscription, or a $300USD one-time LTS charge, plus a veteran store pricing model that encourages additional key purchases to acquire additional lobi (in-game EC or save-up the stipend).
The point of making it a T1 Fleet purchase was to just use the system already in place for Fleet-quality ships. The real goal is just to give Vets a way of getting the Fleet-quality version of the ship for a cheap price: 1 Module.
It's easy to get a T1 Fleetbase. It's easy to get 1 Module. Why make it harder then it needs to be with a new Rep store system and Lobi?
They both are all potentially large cash bringers, as there are quite a few people who will pay hundreds of dollars for either.
I think there are many 1000 vets that don't wish to join a fleet.
Setting aside the tiered store and lobi model for a moment, why force fleet membership?
That it is easy to get a T1 Fleetbase is still imposing a gating mechanism on subscribers.
That it is easy to find a fleet with open doors to access fleet ships is still imposing a gating mechanism on subscribers.
If using an existing system is the baseline, then the shipyard model in place can serve the same purpose without a fleet requirement.
Regarding getting a module, sure, let the in-place system that identifies the player as a veteran at the shipyard require a module as part of the price.
I'm sure everyone here can honestly make that claim as well.
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The goal of this thread is to get a Fleet-quality Vet ship. IE, a lower Tier ship being made Fleet-quality.
What's being asked for is precisely what the Fleet Shipyard was designed to do. We don't need to reinvent the wheel here.
Providing fleet quality ships from lower tier ships available to any player is a merit and benefit of fleet membership.
Regardless of the merit of fleet membership, placing an upgrade to a subscriber benefit ship is a gating mechanism.
Gating a veteran ship behind a fleet membership gate is not a subscriber benefit.
Why gate subscribers by forcing fleet membership to access an upgraded ship restricted to subscribers?
Use the existing ship-yard and provide a subscriber token to acquire the upgraded ship. Use active subscription day counts as the measure. It's the existing gating mechanism for subscribers, so wheels aren't reinvented.
I don't see the logic.
A Fleet ship is a benefit for being in a fleet.
A Veteran ship is a benefit for being a 1000 day veteran.
A Fleet Veteran ship is a benefit for being a 1000 day veteran and in a fleet.
Where's the problem?
I have proposed a Veteran Store on the forums before. The Veteran Store would have numerous items like the current veteran rewards and new ones. 3 Veteran Tokens are rewarded for each month subscribed and 1 Veteran Token for every 500 Zen transferred to Star Trek Online. This way a F2Per could purchase the Chimera if they spent enough money on Zen. Charging Lobi for it would be a very bad idea.
As others have said in this thread, Tier 1 Shipyard and 1 Fleet Ship Module would be perfect for a Fleet Chimera.
My version of the Veteran Store would make it so that not everything from the Veteran Store is available to Lifetimers all at once. Of course, a lifetimer that has been around for 1200 days would get 120 Veteran Tokens while a lifetimer that has been around for only a month would only get 3 Veteran Tokens. The various items in the Veteran Store could be adjusted so people would think twice at getting certain items. So the Chimera could cost 100 Veteran Tokens so a person that transferred $500 worth of Zen could purchase it or a 500 day Veteran that has transferred $250 worth of Zen could get it as well. Lifetime Accounts would get the 500 Zen/month and 3 Veteran Tokens/month.
There is absolutely no point to adding any Veteran Rewards past 1000 days since they would be just lifetime perks and very few people would actually qualify for them the hard way. A Veteran Store would give some use to Veteran Rewards since people that have spent a lot of money on the game could get the Veteran Reward they want and 1000+ day Lifetimers can get lots of new rewards that other Lifetimers won't be able to get