I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Just thought I would do to this thread what you lot did to the last one, I mean why break with tradition !
Oh I don't recall mentioning any tool all I said was MT, something your not telling us then ?
I just finished some in-depth console testing after a few OPvPers mentioned concerns about a few of the new consoles that popped up with the new lockbox. These particular consoles are the Subspace Transceiver (available on the Monbosh Battleship) and the Subspace Integration Circuit. I looked into them after several players raised the issue that these qualified as "No BS" and should be removed from the up-and-coming No BS IV.
Anyway. The first console, the Subspace Transceiver, when equipped, spawns two Elachi NPC craft; one craft is a support vessel, which heals its team and mothership, and the other is an offensive harasser, which shuts down its targets with Viral Matrix. Long story short, its very annoying (as its a great heal/harass console accross the board), but its really no more annoying then a normal Viral Matrix or support craft pet. Its irritating, but its not BS, so I figure we should allow this one despite complaints.
HOWEVER, the second console, the Subspace Integration Circuit....well, this is about as "BS" as it gets. It literally shuts down whatever it hits, and unless you have Attack Pattern Omega or a Teleport-based power, there is no escaping it. Whats worse, it can be used right as you decloak. Essentially, Decloak > Integration Circuit > Subnuc = instakill 9 out of 10 times. I ran around with this thing on a Science Fleet Hoh'Sus Bird of Prey in three arenas; in the three matches, I got ELEVEN kills with the Decloak > Integration Circuit > Subnuc > rapid fire/beam overload/torpedo high yield combo, not because I was doing insane spike damage, but because the person I was attacking literally couldn't do ANYTHING to escape the Circuit. I think, in its current status, that this Circuit is complete BS, and I'd like to suggest that it gets banned from the No BS IV until it is "balanced" by Cryptic.
Thirdly...I'm not sure how you guys feel about this, but the Elachi Monbosh Battleship currently has a "broken" Cloak that it isn't supposed to have. I know its not really a big deal, but one way or another the ship is broken. Should it be banned from the No BS IV on those grounds, or should we just allow it? I'm not worried about it either way, but I'd like to toss it out there for opinions from all of you guys.
Anyway, thats it. I did look into the concerns of alot of y'all, and to sum up the results below;
Monbosh Console: Okay for No BS, not nooby/broken.
Subspace Integration Circuit: Incredibly cheesy/unfair, should be banned from No BS.
Monbosh Cloak: Broken, yes, but its a matter of opinion as to if it should be banned or not.
Drop some feedback here or to me ingame (@TorvinEcho24)! Also, feel free to relay any concerns about the new consoles to the Lag crew. I think Regulus, Mr. X, and my other fleet leaders will probably see my post here and will do there own research into the new consoles and then decide where to go from there
Monbosh Cloak: Broken, yes, but its a matter of opinion as to if it should be banned or not.
The Monbosh having a cloak is kinda cute atm, but not really a major issue. I think it might be removed before the tourny (if I'm mistaken, feel free to correct me). I think it's a standard cloak as well, right, not a BC? It's not a big deal IMO, and won't be in for very long at all before it is removed.
Just a small oopsie, so to speak, in regards to that ship, and not really a problem, Monbosh owners can just de-cloak and attack for a few days.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
in the three matches, I got ELEVEN kills with the Decloak > Integration Circuit > Subnuc > rapid fire/beam overload/torpedo high yield combo, not because I was doing insane spike damage, but because the person I was attacking literally couldn't do ANYTHING to escape the Circuit. I think, in its current status, that this Circuit is complete BS, and I'd like to suggest that it gets banned from the No BS IV until it is "balanced" by Cryptic.
Decloak/snb/bo/iso charge, or any other number of combinations are as equally deadly. Double tap BO's from 2 Kumari's are equally deadly. GDF/alpha is equally deadly. i could go on and on and on and on, and not even mention something that wasnt directly mitigated by captain skills like subsystem repair. Sure, its a dangerous skill, but if you are leaving yourself exposed for long enough to get vaped during it then you have more problems then this silly console is causing you. idk about you, but when I get hit by it im gtg in 4 seconds. I would rather be hit by this then by a subnuke tbh, or warp TRIBBLE.
It also bears mentioning, as it always does when the console lamentations arise: Each console you choose to equip takes the place of another option; these powers are not cumulative, and if someone brings it on the field then they must be leaving something behind. - And before someone comes out with the 'What if 5 people have it' argument - What if 5 people have... Anything. - As always, the problem is that everyone's tac wants to stack the skills that are going to help them get a high score, and eschew anything that might keep them alive.
And before someone comes out with the 'What if 5 people have it' argument - What if 5 people have... Anything.
No, that's not true at all.
> What if 5 people have the Borg console?
> The zero point chamber?
> Subspace jump console?
> What if 5 People have TIF?
> Or GPG?
> Or this new Console?
What's the difference between the top 3 and the bottom 3?
The ones on the top generally just affect yourself.
vs.
The other 3 are force multipliers.
Force Multipliers make everything else better, they have the potential to magnify the capabilities of everything else on the team.
Force multiplication is why debuffing a target's resistance by 50% x 5 allies damage is more powerful than 1 guy buffing his personal damage by 50%.
That's, generally speaking, the difference between some types of (problematic) powers and others (not so problematic).
The second aspect is appropriate cost opportunity, something that generally special power uni consoles lack.
You don't need a specific Console layout to run Uni Consoles X, Y or Z.
You do need a specific BOFF layout to run VM 3, or EWP 3, or APO 3.
Generally the consoles, pets and powers that get complained about have a cost opportunity that is very low for their potential and out of line with similar items in the same category (although set bits are harder to quantify).
Unless you really think that Subspace Integrated consoletaking the same amount of space as Tachyokinetic Converter are actually granting the same level of power for the same amount of slotting cost?
I think we can both agree that is not the case, one will nearly guarantee a kill when used by Player A vs. Player B of equal skill, the other confers a very slight advantage but will not guarantee kills.
It's pretty clear that CRF 1 does less than CRF 3 and that CRF 3 has a much higher cost opportunity, correct?
If you look at all of the primary things that get griped about, a very large (not all) quantity of them either fall into one of these two issues, or both.
They lack a balanced cost vs. slotting opportunity and the most problematic ones are generally force multipliers.
This even holds true for some of the problematic DOFFs or pets.
Scramble Sensors DOFF? AoE, hits multiple targets, force multiplier.
Excellent points. Admittedly, my perspective is from players differing abilities/specs to mitigate and counter game mechanics, and when I see people black listing things based their inability or in some cases unwillingness to cope with them - and labeling the skill bs, their opinion becomes suspect.
I have never considered 'Appropriate Cost Opportunity', apart from the power/console/item slots themselves being the cost.
As right as you are, my opinion moving forward in pvp and sto with the hopes that the game will grow and pvp will become closer to the experience in other games with a populated pvp scene, is: We cant stop people from using these powers, or enforce our 'opinions' about what is Bad Manners without alienating people, which is especially dangerous today with a population so small.
Additionally, these things are in the game, and they arent leaving. Cryptic would not take them out after people have paid for them to do what they do. Campaigning for some better counters might be in order though.
Consider this: The core of the combat in this game is fantasy science fiction, and we want big lazers, awesome explosions, and powers that kick TRIBBLE. We also as people want things that set us apart from others and make us unique. this is why I fly a wells with TIF. ( TBH, I am far more dangerous in PVP with a setup I cant use while using TIF). Cryptic is supplying us with these things and are being criticized by some of our most sensible community members as creating over saturization. It is almost as if people would be happier with a streamlined, limited abillity experience that created a level playing field 100% of the time, and relied on twitch reactions and pure player skill for someone to win. COD in Space. This game will never be that. You are going to get into a match against and think: damn, really wish I knew this was going to happen so I could have been better prepared. Some of us are prepared, with extended inventory space with multiple weapon and item loadouts, several brighe officers, and generally versitile defensive specs.
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Suggestion to everyone: I have play a few mmo's and online pvp titles, and a lot of other games use a more innocuous term that would better fit: "Bad Manners". When something is BM at least you can accept that this person thinks skill X is Bad Manners, that is their opinion based on the way they want to play. It is a bit gauche and hamfisted to dismiss something as "Bull ****". Maybe they are just words, but I think it would be best for us to leave this "BS" notion behind us and adopt a less presumptuous attitude, for the good of the community and the evolution of pvp. Words are powerful: it only takes a few to swing someone to your side, or against you. As a community, we cant afford to scorn and bully new players away by telling them that half the toys in the sandbox are BS.
Excellent points. Admittedly, my perspective is from players differing abilities/specs to mitigate and counter game mechanics, and when I see people black listing things based their inability or in some cases unwillingness to cope with them - and labeling the skill bs, their opinion becomes suspect.
I have never considered 'Appropriate Cost Opportunity', apart from the power/console/item slots themselves being the cost.
As right as you are, my opinion moving forward in pvp and sto with the hopes that the game will grow and pvp will become closer to the experience in other games with a populated pvp scene, is: We cant stop people from using these powers, or enforce our 'opinions' about what is Bad Manners without alienating people, which is especially dangerous today with a population so small.
Additionally, these things are in the game, and they arent leaving. Cryptic would not take them out after people have paid for them to do what they do. Campaigning for some better counters might be in order though.
Consider this: The core of the combat in this game is fantasy science fiction, and we want big lazers, awesome explosions, and powers that kick TRIBBLE. We also as people want things that set us apart from others and make us unique. this is why I fly a wells with TIF. ( TBH, I am far more dangerous in PVP with a setup I cant use while using TIF). Cryptic is supplying us with these things and are being criticized by some of our most sensible community members as creating over saturization. It is almost as if people would be happier with a streamlined, limited abillity experience that created a level playing field 100% of the time, and relied on twitch reactions and pure player skill for someone to win. COD in Space. This game will never be that. You are going to get into a match against and think: damn, really wish I knew this was going to happen so I could have been better prepared. Some of us are prepared, with extended inventory space with multiple weapon and item loadouts, several brighe officers, and generally versitile defensive specs.
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Suggestion to everyone: I have play a few mmo's and online pvp titles, and a lot of other games use a more innocuous term that would better fit: "Bad Manners". When something is BM at least you can accept that this person thinks skill X is Bad Manners, that is their opinion based on the way they want to play. It is a bit gauche and hamfisted to dismiss something as "Bull ****". Maybe they are just words, but I think it would be best for us to leave this "BS" notion behind us and adopt a less presumptuous attitude, for the good of the community and the evolution of pvp. Words are powerful: it only takes a few to swing someone to your side, or against you. As a community, we cant afford to scorn and bully new players away by telling them that half the toys in the sandbox are BS.
Just to be clear, "BS" was about the stuff outside STO, i.e. people arguing about rules, not in game content.
actually i wont be able to play in this tournament cuz i am going to be on vacation so i wish all partcipating teams good luck and a lot of fun during this competition!
Now some last words to the hosters:
neither I dont want to intervene your politics nor critizing the use of your actual no bs rules/conditions but are u really sure to use rules which were appropriate for tournaments run in season 6?
i am convinced there will be complications to implement those in the actual situation with all the new stuff considering there are new conditions.
When i read the rules i can realize that it will be able to use many exploits in the tourney which might lead to a "conflict" between the competitors during these days.
It is comparable to - let?s say security measures for formula 1 racing cars.- Formula 1 cars change and get developped from time to time. They get faster, more sophisticated and so on. As a result its security measures have to be actualized and adapted to new conditions, same also counts for sto. Stuff has been changing from time to time, if u know what i mean.
That is my personal opinion u can like it or not. I dont have a need to flame, moan, cry or derail someone else ?thread like u and some other guys did, if i dont like something. that is just stupid childish not more.
Personally i didn?t determine the rules "just for fun" or to annoy people i spent a lot of time with the help of other guys to set the rules. I also have been flying a rommy tac for a longer time and i know how powerful they are and what they are capable of doing even without cloak.
Perhaps it is getting clear for ya when u finished hosting it.
Since I am back from my vacation and being fully briefed regarding the events that occured during my absence, I strongly recommend all involved parties not to take a dig against each other, even if its difficult to maintain self-restraint. We all want this and following community events to succeed. Thank you.
When Naz hosted the first one it was possible under his rule set to run a ton of cheesy BS setups... its my understanding people didn't do that. They seemed to understand the spirit of what he was trying to do for the community.
In my opinion if your fleet/team needs to have 41 rules written down before you can pull off a team that can show up and compete in a "No BS" / "Fun Day" type event... perhaps you need to look at yourselves a little closer, and wonder why exactly you play this game... and why exactly half your friends list don't log in anymore.
I think most of us understand what it takes to build a team for a "No BS" game... and if one of us doesn't the other 4 playing with us should be able to fill us in.
Come on guys... the basic rules need to be covered off which is what the people running this one have done... outside of that... come to have a good time... and enjoy a great day of PvP whats so hard about that...
Golden rule here guys... do on to others and all. Having said that if one team chooses to show up to a No BS event with major BS setups... let them they only make themselves look stupid.
actually i wont be able to play in this tournament cuz i am going to be on vacation so i wish all partcipating teams good luck and a lot of fun during this competition!
Now some last words to the hosters:
neither I dont want to intervene your politics nor critizing the use of your actual no bs rules/conditions but are u really sure to use rules which were appropriate for tournaments run in season 6?
i am convinced there will be complications to implement those in the actual situation with all the new stuff considering there are new conditions.
When i read the rules i can realize that it will be able to use many exploits in the tourney which might lead to a "conflict" between the competitors during these days.
It is comparable to - let?s say security measures for formula 1 racing cars.- Formula 1 cars change and get developped from time to time. They get faster, more sophisticated and so on. As a result its security measures have to be actualized and adapted to new conditions, same also counts for sto. Stuff has been changing from time to time, if u know what i mean.
That is my personal opinion u can like it or not. I dont have a need to flame, moan, cry or derail someone else ?thread like u and some other guys did, if i dont like something. that is just stupid childish not more.
Personally i didn?t determine the rules "just for fun" or to annoy people i spent a lot of time with the help of other guys to set the rules. I also have been flying a rommy tac for a longer time and i know how powerful they are and what they are capable of doing even without cloak.
Perhaps it is getting clear for ya when u finished hosting it.
Regards Hannibal
CLASSIC.....
I am not going to QQ like you QQ but here is my QQ......LOLZZZZZZZ you are funny
Golden rule here guys... do on to others and all. Having said that if one team chooses to show up to a No BS event with major BS setups... let them they only make themselves look stupid.
Isn't curious that the most of the replys of this post are made by ppl what don't play the tournament? lol
For the next tournament we need an independet forum/website that can be moderated by the tournament hosts, i can do it quite easy and for free, i'm web developer.
Since I am back from my vacation and being fully briefed regarding the events that occured during my absence, I strongly recommend all involved parties not to take a dig against each other, even if its difficult to maintain self-restraint. We all want this and following community events to succeed. Thank you.
+1 this. I look forward to the matches and their outcomes , really wish there was an 'observer mode' built into the game.
Isn't curious that the most of the replys of this post are made by ppl what don't play the tournament? lol
For the next tournament we need an independet forum/website that can be moderated by the tournament hosts, i can do it quite easy and for free, i'm web developer.
In an ideal world i absolutely agree. Problem is people wanting to reply to a tourney thread would in most cases have to register on the Site. People rarely seem to do that unless it's for a longer. more credible reason like Boot Camp.
Pascals latest slightly biased attempt proved how hit & miss these things can be.
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Just a quick note to all fleets & teams who are still considering to join or not, there are only three places left on the extended list. if that fills then those 4 teams will be able to compete, if not then they can't. Be aware there are only three places left so I'd suggest signing up sooner rather then later
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Oh my G@d that takes me back. Not sure if I should laugh or cry but as a kid I thought that was pretty cutting-edge out there LOL!!! Thanks for that that cool memory-jog!
sorry to be a pain, the Fleet is 'House of Beautiful' which contains some ex Hobos, we will be using some Hobos in the team, but technically we are not House of Beautiful Orions.
It's complicated but I am sure you have heard what has been going around and why we are different from HOBO.
Also from reading the rules, we can mix feds and kdf side for teams?
Now found frequenting MWO short term and then Star Citizen long term. Raged Quit PVP long ago
- Gohan (House of Beautiful /Sad Pandas)
sorry to be a pain, the Fleet is 'House of Beautiful' which contains some ex Hobos, we will be using some Hobos in the team, but technically we are not House of Beautiful Orions.
It's complicated but I am sure you have heard what has been going around and why we are different from HOBO.
Also from reading the rules, we can mix feds and kdf side for teams?
Haven't got all the gossip but have heard murmurings. Absolutely, will change now, sorry 'bout the mixup!
Yep you can have whoever you like, so long as it fits within the class rules. It's totally faction-free
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How can u know that ? he has never hosted a No BS tournament before. Or have u mutated to nostradamus being able to predict the future ?^^
Okay, as much as I've tried to stay neutral...
Hannibal, you are really, really, REALLY pissing me off. I am sick and tired of your little jabs and insults both in the forums and in OPvP aimed at my fleet as well as other fleets in general.
Shut your mouth, keep your half-arsed insults and threats to yourself, and play the bloody game. Nobody here cares about your opinions, nobody here cares about your nit-picking insults. Stop running your gums and derailing the thread.
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Damnit Reg, stop asking us to try and make miracles. :P
-X-/Panda team will be KDF.
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I just finished some in-depth console testing after a few OPvPers mentioned concerns about a few of the new consoles that popped up with the new lockbox. These particular consoles are the Subspace Transceiver (available on the Monbosh Battleship) and the Subspace Integration Circuit. I looked into them after several players raised the issue that these qualified as "No BS" and should be removed from the up-and-coming No BS IV.
Anyway. The first console, the Subspace Transceiver, when equipped, spawns two Elachi NPC craft; one craft is a support vessel, which heals its team and mothership, and the other is an offensive harasser, which shuts down its targets with Viral Matrix. Long story short, its very annoying (as its a great heal/harass console accross the board), but its really no more annoying then a normal Viral Matrix or support craft pet. Its irritating, but its not BS, so I figure we should allow this one despite complaints.
HOWEVER, the second console, the Subspace Integration Circuit....well, this is about as "BS" as it gets. It literally shuts down whatever it hits, and unless you have Attack Pattern Omega or a Teleport-based power, there is no escaping it. Whats worse, it can be used right as you decloak. Essentially, Decloak > Integration Circuit > Subnuc = instakill 9 out of 10 times. I ran around with this thing on a Science Fleet Hoh'Sus Bird of Prey in three arenas; in the three matches, I got ELEVEN kills with the Decloak > Integration Circuit > Subnuc > rapid fire/beam overload/torpedo high yield combo, not because I was doing insane spike damage, but because the person I was attacking literally couldn't do ANYTHING to escape the Circuit. I think, in its current status, that this Circuit is complete BS, and I'd like to suggest that it gets banned from the No BS IV until it is "balanced" by Cryptic.
Thirdly...I'm not sure how you guys feel about this, but the Elachi Monbosh Battleship currently has a "broken" Cloak that it isn't supposed to have. I know its not really a big deal, but one way or another the ship is broken. Should it be banned from the No BS IV on those grounds, or should we just allow it? I'm not worried about it either way, but I'd like to toss it out there for opinions from all of you guys.
Anyway, thats it. I did look into the concerns of alot of y'all, and to sum up the results below;
Monbosh Console: Okay for No BS, not nooby/broken.
Subspace Integration Circuit: Incredibly cheesy/unfair, should be banned from No BS.
Monbosh Cloak: Broken, yes, but its a matter of opinion as to if it should be banned or not.
Drop some feedback here or to me ingame (@TorvinEcho24)! Also, feel free to relay any concerns about the new consoles to the Lag crew. I think Regulus, Mr. X, and my other fleet leaders will probably see my post here and will do there own research into the new consoles and then decide where to go from there
Regards to all, T
take out Team " Lucky Strike ",.. please. This is my Team, but i think we are played for Inner Circle.
Thank you.
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The Monbosh having a cloak is kinda cute atm, but not really a major issue. I think it might be removed before the tourny (if I'm mistaken, feel free to correct me). I think it's a standard cloak as well, right, not a BC? It's not a big deal IMO, and won't be in for very long at all before it is removed.
Just a small oopsie, so to speak, in regards to that ship, and not really a problem, Monbosh owners can just de-cloak and attack for a few days.
Decloak/snb/bo/iso charge, or any other number of combinations are as equally deadly. Double tap BO's from 2 Kumari's are equally deadly. GDF/alpha is equally deadly. i could go on and on and on and on, and not even mention something that wasnt directly mitigated by captain skills like subsystem repair. Sure, its a dangerous skill, but if you are leaving yourself exposed for long enough to get vaped during it then you have more problems then this silly console is causing you. idk about you, but when I get hit by it im gtg in 4 seconds. I would rather be hit by this then by a subnuke tbh, or warp TRIBBLE.
It also bears mentioning, as it always does when the console lamentations arise: Each console you choose to equip takes the place of another option; these powers are not cumulative, and if someone brings it on the field then they must be leaving something behind. - And before someone comes out with the 'What if 5 people have it' argument - What if 5 people have... Anything. - As always, the problem is that everyone's tac wants to stack the skills that are going to help them get a high score, and eschew anything that might keep them alive.
Verdict: Not overpowered.
No, that's not true at all.
> What if 5 people have the Borg console?
> The zero point chamber?
> Subspace jump console?
> What if 5 People have TIF?
> Or GPG?
> Or this new Console?
What's the difference between the top 3 and the bottom 3?
The ones on the top generally just affect yourself.
vs.
The other 3 are force multipliers.
Force Multipliers make everything else better, they have the potential to magnify the capabilities of everything else on the team.
Force multiplication is why debuffing a target's resistance by 50% x 5 allies damage is more powerful than 1 guy buffing his personal damage by 50%.
That's, generally speaking, the difference between some types of (problematic) powers and others (not so problematic).
The second aspect is appropriate cost opportunity, something that generally special power uni consoles lack.
You don't need a specific Console layout to run Uni Consoles X, Y or Z.
You do need a specific BOFF layout to run VM 3, or EWP 3, or APO 3.
Generally the consoles, pets and powers that get complained about have a cost opportunity that is very low for their potential and out of line with similar items in the same category (although set bits are harder to quantify).
Unless you really think that Subspace Integrated console taking the same amount of space as Tachyokinetic Converter are actually granting the same level of power for the same amount of slotting cost?
I think we can both agree that is not the case, one will nearly guarantee a kill when used by Player A vs. Player B of equal skill, the other confers a very slight advantage but will not guarantee kills.
It's pretty clear that CRF 1 does less than CRF 3 and that CRF 3 has a much higher cost opportunity, correct?
If you look at all of the primary things that get griped about, a very large (not all) quantity of them either fall into one of these two issues, or both.
They lack a balanced cost vs. slotting opportunity and the most problematic ones are generally force multipliers.
This even holds true for some of the problematic DOFFs or pets.
Scramble Sensors DOFF? AoE, hits multiple targets, force multiplier.
SNB DOFF (pre-nerf)? Removes target's buffs, magnifies team's damage, force multiplier.
Control based pets like Danubes/Yellowstones, Interceptors, Power Sipohons (Force multipliers).
vs.
Damage based pets like Peregrines, BoPs (single target damage).
It's not a perfect outline that covers everything, but it covers a lot of what are generally held to be problematic or over-performing items.
I have never considered 'Appropriate Cost Opportunity', apart from the power/console/item slots themselves being the cost.
As right as you are, my opinion moving forward in pvp and sto with the hopes that the game will grow and pvp will become closer to the experience in other games with a populated pvp scene, is: We cant stop people from using these powers, or enforce our 'opinions' about what is Bad Manners without alienating people, which is especially dangerous today with a population so small.
Additionally, these things are in the game, and they arent leaving. Cryptic would not take them out after people have paid for them to do what they do. Campaigning for some better counters might be in order though.
Consider this: The core of the combat in this game is fantasy science fiction, and we want big lazers, awesome explosions, and powers that kick TRIBBLE. We also as people want things that set us apart from others and make us unique. this is why I fly a wells with TIF. ( TBH, I am far more dangerous in PVP with a setup I cant use while using TIF). Cryptic is supplying us with these things and are being criticized by some of our most sensible community members as creating over saturization. It is almost as if people would be happier with a streamlined, limited abillity experience that created a level playing field 100% of the time, and relied on twitch reactions and pure player skill for someone to win. COD in Space. This game will never be that. You are going to get into a match against and think: damn, really wish I knew this was going to happen so I could have been better prepared. Some of us are prepared, with extended inventory space with multiple weapon and item loadouts, several brighe officers, and generally versitile defensive specs.
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Suggestion to everyone: I have play a few mmo's and online pvp titles, and a lot of other games use a more innocuous term that would better fit: "Bad Manners". When something is BM at least you can accept that this person thinks skill X is Bad Manners, that is their opinion based on the way they want to play. It is a bit gauche and hamfisted to dismiss something as "Bull ****". Maybe they are just words, but I think it would be best for us to leave this "BS" notion behind us and adopt a less presumptuous attitude, for the good of the community and the evolution of pvp. Words are powerful: it only takes a few to swing someone to your side, or against you. As a community, we cant afford to scorn and bully new players away by telling them that half the toys in the sandbox are BS.
Just to be clear, "BS" was about the stuff outside STO, i.e. people arguing about rules, not in game content.
Now some last words to the hosters:
neither I dont want to intervene your politics nor critizing the use of your actual no bs rules/conditions but are u really sure to use rules which were appropriate for tournaments run in season 6?
i am convinced there will be complications to implement those in the actual situation with all the new stuff considering there are new conditions.
When i read the rules i can realize that it will be able to use many exploits in the tourney which might lead to a "conflict" between the competitors during these days.
It is comparable to - let?s say security measures for formula 1 racing cars.- Formula 1 cars change and get developped from time to time. They get faster, more sophisticated and so on. As a result its security measures have to be actualized and adapted to new conditions, same also counts for sto. Stuff has been changing from time to time, if u know what i mean.
That is my personal opinion u can like it or not. I dont have a need to flame, moan, cry or derail someone else ?thread like u and some other guys did, if i dont like something. that is just stupid childish not more.
Personally i didn?t determine the rules "just for fun" or to annoy people i spent a lot of time with the help of other guys to set the rules. I also have been flying a rommy tac for a longer time and i know how powerful they are and what they are capable of doing even without cloak.
Perhaps it is getting clear for ya when u finished hosting it.
Regards Hannibal
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In my opinion if your fleet/team needs to have 41 rules written down before you can pull off a team that can show up and compete in a "No BS" / "Fun Day" type event... perhaps you need to look at yourselves a little closer, and wonder why exactly you play this game... and why exactly half your friends list don't log in anymore.
I think most of us understand what it takes to build a team for a "No BS" game... and if one of us doesn't the other 4 playing with us should be able to fill us in.
Come on guys... the basic rules need to be covered off which is what the people running this one have done... outside of that... come to have a good time... and enjoy a great day of PvP whats so hard about that...
Golden rule here guys... do on to others and all. Having said that if one team chooses to show up to a No BS event with major BS setups... let them they only make themselves look stupid.
CLASSIC.....
I am not going to QQ like you QQ but here is my QQ......LOLZZZZZZZ you are funny
Perfectly summarised
For the next tournament we need an independet forum/website that can be moderated by the tournament hosts, i can do it quite easy and for free, i'm web developer.
Vin Naftero@playhard88 - FED Sciencie
K'tan@playhard88 - KDF Tactical
Argento@playhard88 - RRF Tactical (FED)
+1 this. I look forward to the matches and their outcomes
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In an ideal world i absolutely agree. Problem is people wanting to reply to a tourney thread would in most cases have to register on the Site. People rarely seem to do that unless it's for a longer. more credible reason like Boot Camp.
Pascals latest slightly biased attempt proved how hit & miss these things can be.
@Aquitaine985
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- Gohan (House of Beautiful /Sad Pandas)
Done!
Anything can happen in the next half hour!
@Aquitaine985
Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
Oh my G@d that takes me back. Not sure if I should laugh or cry
sorry to be a pain, the Fleet is 'House of Beautiful' which contains some ex Hobos, we will be using some Hobos in the team, but technically we are not House of Beautiful Orions.
It's complicated but I am sure you have heard what has been going around and why we are different from HOBO.
Also from reading the rules, we can mix feds and kdf side for teams?
- Gohan (House of Beautiful /Sad Pandas)
Haven't got all the gossip but have heard murmurings. Absolutely, will change now, sorry 'bout the mixup!
Yep you can have whoever you like, so long as it fits within the class rules. It's totally faction-free
@Aquitaine985
Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
How can u know that ? he has never hosted a No BS tournament before. Or have u mutated to nostradamus being able to predict the future ?^^
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Okay, as much as I've tried to stay neutral...
Hannibal, you are really, really, REALLY pissing me off. I am sick and tired of your little jabs and insults both in the forums and in OPvP aimed at my fleet as well as other fleets in general.
Shut your mouth, keep your half-arsed insults and threats to yourself, and play the bloody game. Nobody here cares about your opinions, nobody here cares about your nit-picking insults. Stop running your gums and derailing the thread.
...that is all.