No. The skill was for the last tourney. The B.S. is for this one. In the last tourney you didn't have to ask yourself anything because stupid OP broken sh*t wasn't allowed. You're essentially asking people to self-police themselves when you could easily set up the rules to where this would not be necessary. Might as well throw out all the rules and just ask people to play nice if this is your mentality.
I'm assuming (yes, I know USS_Ultimatum hates when I do this) that a Pandas team is going to join before the tourney fills up (if it fills up), especially since these rules specifically cater to their play-style (hmm, any back-room dealings going on between Pandas and Lag about the rules?). It would be shocking to me if they didn't come with 2 Romulan double-tappers since that seems to be all they're running nowadays.
And you were in such a rush to sign up.
The scoring system this time is based to make sure anyone with 5 cloaked ships, that go in gank one or two people and then hide in cloak for the 28min remaining will not only fail to come to win the tourney, but would likely come about 3rd in their group.
Hannibal played it safe last tourney, he just banned cloaks and that was it. It effectively make an entire season's worth of content, an entire season of vast expense and time spent grinding, testing, trying & failing to get good or fun builds with Romulans meaningless. I can totally understand why he did it, I was quite tempted to do the same. But if we just did that too then we'd be the same, and it's be not only repetitive but we'd be branded the same.
So we have allowed cloaks. It was never a problem when it was just the Klingons, but our game has evolved, and the rules need to reflect that too.
The previous tourney banned them out right, we have allowed them and have taken steps (that we as a group have spent many hours over many nights painstakingly speculating and testing) to make sure people with an excessive amount of cloaks don't make it BS for the apposing team.
All I can suggest, to all the people moaning (none of which so far as I know have ever tried to host a tourney) is give it a try. Take what you've learned, evolve the rules again in your own way and i'll congratulate you on your attempt.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] @Aquitaine985 Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre. 2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
No. The skill was for the last tourney. The B.S. is for this one. In the last tourney you didn't have to ask yourself anything because stupid OP broken sh*t wasn't allowed. You're essentially asking people to self-police themselves when you could easily set up the rules to where this would not be necessary. Might as well throw out all the rules and just ask people to play nice if this is your mentality.
Or you could, you know, run your own tournament.
Seriously, it's that easy.
Don't take part, set up your own tournament and prove your rules are better.
If Reg wants to add a rule about cloaks, that's his prerogative.
I think all cloaking teams are lame, and also create their own weakness - but at some point I think we all need to deal with the fact that basically banning entire factions from tournaments is pretty ridiculous.
I'm assuming (yes, I know USS_Ultimatum hates when I do this) that a Pandas team is going to join before the tourney fills up (if it fills up), especially since these rules specifically cater to their play-style (hmm, any back-room dealings going on between Pandas and Lag about the rules?).
You guys need to stop making up stories and instead of complaining about us...
Yeah, that goes for you too.
There are no backroom dealings, seriously, stop with the rumor mongering. These are nearly the exact same rules that Naz created for the first tournament.
For someone who has professed you have no problem with Pandas, you certainly seem to mention us a lot in your posts.
Instead of making up stories about our fleet, something you apparently don't like to be done to yours, feel free to contact me in game or hop on our TS to chat if you have any grievances you want to discuss.
The biggest complaint for the last tournament was that any real reason to take a full blooded Romulan or Klingon ship in were taken away.
In this one, Reg has chosen to address that and he is being shot at for it.
I'll be honest, i have not really played the game since the Rommies were introduced, but the 10 rules i came up with for the first No BS LINK, most would agree made it fun. Put what went on before it into context (Constant failed tournaments) and then you will see why this took off.
Right now, it seems like you just want the same rules as the last tournament. Correct? If so, why?
Actually, there were teams that used Rommie ships to great affect, including the team that got 2nd place.
Do I want the same rules as last tourney? Not particularly, although I wouldn't mind either. I like all of the rules of this tourney. The last tourney all clickable consoles were banned, which was a pretty drastic step by the organizers, but in the end I'd say it turned out to be a good move as it seems most everyone enjoyed the games. At the same time, I'm fine with the more stream-lined rules of this tourney in regards to consoles.
If you haven't been able to tell by now, I'll re-iterate my main concern: I'm afraid that the lack of any rules/restrictions what-so-ever in regards to cloaking ships can cause some serious B.S. issues in this No B.S. tourney. Specifically, 5 man cloak teams and teams with multiple Romulan double-tappers are my main concern.
Since you haven't played much since LoR, let me try to give you an example on why the double tap is so OP now. Back when Klingon BoP's did this strat, it was very powerful, but not OP, mainly due to the weaknesses inherent with BoP's and the fact that Klingons aren't getting all the crazy bonuses that Rommies get. Now, on the Rommie side, you basically have a ship that is *nearly* the equivalent of a Jem'Hadr Attack Ship in the Fleet Ha'feh
Now, instead of a fragile BoP doing a hit and run double-tap battle cloak strat, you have what is essentially a Bug ship doing it that has:
way more survivability than a Bop (34,100 hull and .99 shield vs. 22,500 hull and .8 shield)
a lot more CrtH and CrtD than a BoP due to Rommie boffs
higher stealth value than a BoP due to Rommie traits
DEM + Marion for high shield penetration and maintaining high weapons power
3 separate Reputation passives that give increased shield penetration
The Beam Overload doff which gives A LOT more shield penetration
New weapons that give additional shield penetration such as Nanite and Crescent Disruptors
Weapons battery doff(s) for increased damage
I'm sure I'm missing some stuff in that list since I don't run it myself, but that's the jist of it. A lot of this stuff didn't exist when you held the first No B.S. tourney so there wasn't much of a reason to have any type of cloak rule/double-tap rule.
When you put all of this together, and have 2 people that can execute the attack on a single target while coordinating debuffs with their sci's, it's just NOT FUN to play against, and wasn't that the underlying principle of the No B.S. tourney when you started it - to have a fun, fair playing ground where people could competitively pew-pew at each other?
Oh don't worry Devolved, if it is a load of bull**** I'm confident you'll be at the front of the queue to moan.
And if it's not bull**** I'm confident Shift will be at the front just moaning in general.
Roll up Nova Core #5?
Don't worry. I have nothing to moan about. I'm happy with your rules the way they are. I will advise you only once however not to generalize my fleet. And don't lump my name into your forum pvp. And as the tournament host. You may want to provide a more objective response to the concerns of the players potentially participating in your tournament. Despite their valid disagreements over your current rules set.
Let no other Captain discourage you from what you believe you can achieve in PvP. Debuffs and Disables be damned! Charge up your Backstep and Forge your build out of Lock Boxes, Consoles, and Flash Sales feeding off of only your pure will to chain, spam, and hax your way forward. You will not be forgotten to history.
The fact that you can't just say ok folks simple rule... no BS... and have everyone know what that means... is the reason I won't be bothering organizing a Critz team myself.
The fact that we have to spell out every single thing for some people is the saddest part of the game right now. We should all understand that building teams around 1-2 annoying mechanics is bad form. Even the worst of the worst in the game right now I think we can all handle in small amounts on a team... its the need for people to slot it into there teams x4 or x5 if you don't tell them they can't that is the issue.
I love to win to... but perhaps its time we all say to ourselves ok this is a "No BS" "Fun Day" what ever iteration of this idea we come up with... and you know play in the spirit of that.
I love to win to... but perhaps its time we all say to ourselves ok this is a "No BS" "Fun Day" what ever iteration of this idea we come up with... and you know play in the spirit of that.
My thought pattern for the first tournament was exactly this
I'm always up for a good fight. But I do agree that we need to have an open discussion on a lot of these new intros to the game, especially the Elachi stuff.
My thought pattern for the first tournament was exactly this
I understand people came with that thought in mind to... I know that one went pretty darn well. I hope people treat the rest of them this way in the future.
02. Max of four hanger bays per team, Yellowstones, Elite Interceptors & Romulan Drone Ships banned.
03. No more than 3 of the same captains and no more then 2 of the same ship types.
04. No Boarding Parties. (Broken).
05. No Dkora EMP burst. (Broken)
06. No scramble sensors with the DOFFs (Without DOFFs no issue).
07. No Grav Pulse (AOE 50 second hold not fun)
08. Once you are in 1 team an have played, you cannot move to another.
09. Temporal Inversion not allowed.
10. All fleets and random players/groups are welcome to play, individuals/groups who have personal issues stopping them from having a great time need not take part.
11. We as the host have the right to remove/add things that may be fixed or broken by Cryptic between now and the end of the tournament, that would of course come with the majority vote of all groups taking part.
You are of course more then welcome to PM me over the forums, reply here, chat on our TS or PM me ingame at Regulus@Aquitaine985 if you need any help, though I kindly ask you keep this thread on track.
Good Luck!
Regarding the new stuff from the Elachi Lock Box.
We are open to any opinions about the new stuff Cryptic threw at us.
We are already testing some of those, and are very happy to hear everyones thoughts on those items.
If needed some of those items will be added to the ban list.
You can PM Regulus ingame (@Aquitaine985) or just hop on our TS3 (speak2-6.teamspeak.net:12201) if you want to share your opinion on the new Elachi stuff.
The scoring system this time is based to make sure anyone with 5 cloaked ships, that go in gank one or two people and then hide in cloak for the 28min remaining will not only fail to come to win the tourney, but would likely come about 3rd in their group.
Hannibal played it safe last tourney, he just banned cloaks and that was it. It effectively make an entire season's worth of content, an entire season of vast expense and time spent grinding, testing, trying & failing to get good or fun builds with Romulans meaningless. I can totally understand why he did it, I was quite tempted to do the same. But if we just did that too then we'd be the same, and it's be not only repetitive but we'd be branded the same.
So we have allowed cloaks. It was never a problem when it was just the Klingons, but our game has evolved, and the rules need to reflect that too.
The previous tourney banned them out right, we have allowed them and have taken steps (that we as a group have spent many hours over many nights painstakingly speculating and testing) to make sure people with an excessive amount of cloaks don't make it BS for the apposing team.
All I can suggest, to all the people moaning (none of which so far as I know have ever tried to host a tourney) is give it a try. Take what you've learned, evolve the rules again in your own way and i'll congratulate you on your attempt.
I apologize if you think I'm trying to grief you or that all I'm doing is moaning. That was not my intention. I was trying to voice my concerns about certain problems that could arise due to having no cloaking restrictions, although I admite, I could have chosen some better words from time to time.
I'm glad to hear that you're working on a system that will mitigate the cloak and hide tactic as this was on of my concerns. Do you think you could explain how you're going to be doing the scoring system?
Contrary to what some of my posts may lead you to believe, I do appreciate you putting on this tourney for the PvP community and look forward to playing in it.
I apologize if you think I'm trying to grief you or that all I'm doing is moaning. That was not my intention. I was trying to voice my concerns about certain problems that could arise due to having no cloaking restrictions, although I admite, I could have chosen some better words from time to time.
I'm glad to hear that you're working on a system that will mitigate the cloak and hide tactic as this was on of my concerns. Do you think you could explain how you're going to be doing the scoring system?
Contrary to what some of my posts may lead you to believe, I do appreciate you putting on this tourney for the PvP community and look forward to playing in it.
Phew..... GROUP HUG!!!!!
I know healthy debates are good. I'm sure if you have a plausible solution to the issue, jump on his TS and talk it through. Who knows, he might listen
Just my idea:
For each additional cloaker above the first 2 (or whatever), you start off at a negative score i.e. if you have 5 cloakers, you start of with "-3" kills forcing you to kill 3 just to level the score.
Nice tactics try and derail the last tourny and start your own "EVEN BETTER" tourny, one word, FREAKS !
its like Tyler and his channel sending peeps to OPvP to get players for his matches and channel, ya big babies !
> Mindlessly cheesy/unfun/requires little to no skill
well i would say that having 2 double taps on a team and 3 cloaked scis wtv, doesnt require any skill to win... as it was said by @DevolvedOne 2 double taps can easly kill a recluse fully buffed... with no trainning at all... just need TS to coordinate when to strike...
so what i see were is rules that will favour a 5 man team that can even have 5 double tappers... 2 tacs 3 scis easly... strong stuff...
IMO i think it should be restricted to 1 cloak per team
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Federation :: Fleetless :: Klingon Jorge Silva - Tac | Nayja - Sci | Jorge E. Silva - Eng Jorge R. Silva - Tac (Romulan Fed) Nayja K Silva - Sci | Vurg'jah - Tac
Nice tactics try and derail the last tourny and start your own "EVEN BETTER" tourny, one word, FREAKS !
its like Tyler and his channel sending peeps to OPvP to get players for his matches and channel, ya big babies !
??? what lol
You get that it was those "derail" guys that started the no BS tournament right ? lol
As for the TD channel... our channel isn't about competing with Opvp of course we advertise our matches there... your welcome to join us anytime... join TD or not. Grow a pair yourself.
Good glad things are going well in this thread now
The only thing I can add as a request for this tourney as opposed to last tourney, is that someone please record this matches .
ps er... whats an mt tool? im not sure if trolling or (just inbox me your answer, rather not derail thread even further).
As someone that can't play sto atm, I very much look forward to the matches (record?) Good hunting. ^_^
he he, reel 'em in !
Just thought I would do to this thread what you lot did to the last one, I mean why break with tradition !
Oh I don't recall mentioning any tool all I said was MT, something your not telling us then ?
I'm always up for a good fight. But I do agree that we need to have an open discussion on a lot of these new intros to the game, especially the Elachi stuff.
Suggestion: Jevonite Hardpoints, Deuterium Surplus, Assignment Buffs: Consider the impact these have in a game when it comes to 'fair play' - While they are technically available to everyone, there is more of a potential to stockpile them based on the amount of time you are putting into the game, which isnt a bad thing, but I know there are a few people who dont have 8-12 hours a day to put in, who dont want to give up an advantage to someone who does. It isnt like you can contribute to the community by paying for assignment buffs, or grinding the doff missions for Jevonite, or logging in every 20 hours for 5 deuterium. I am far more receptive to what is derisivly called P2W then what I call Grind to Win. I consider them 'Bad Manners' in pvp, particularly in a sporting environment where measures are taken to ensure each person has a chance.
Suggestion: This should be the Last tournament that assumes to call itself a 'No BS Tournament' - This would avoid the altercations that this thread and every other thread since Naz' Tournament has produced. A lot of the 'derailing' isnt because people dont ike the rules, it is because the of presumptuous 'No BS' title. I think I can safely say that it rubs people wrong to see things on these lists called 'BS', and to see someone try to have an impact on the community by stepping up as a leader and imposing their rules on what is and isnt 'BS'. Take away the 'NO BS' title, and I bet it would be easier to sell the idea that 'if you dont like the rules, dont play'. If this were my tournament, I would have called it the 'Lag Industries Invitational'.
Best of luck to everyone who participates in this tournament.
Suggestion: Jevonite Hardpoints, Deuterium Surplus, Assignment Buffs: Consider the impact these have in a game when it comes to 'fair play' - While they are technically available to everyone, there is more of a potential to stockpile them based on the amount of time you are putting into the game, which isnt a bad thing, but I know there are a few people who dont have 8-12 hours a day to put in, who dont want to give up an advantage to someone who does. It isnt like you can contribute to the community by paying for assignment buffs, or grinding the doff missions for Jevonite, or logging in every 20 hours for 5 deuterium. I am far more receptive to what is derisivly called P2W then what I call Grind to Win. I consider them 'Bad Manners' in pvp, particularly in a sporting environment where measures are taken to ensure each person has a chance.
Suggestion: This should be the Last tournament that assumes to call itself a 'No BS Tournament' - This would avoid the altercations that this thread and every other thread since Naz' Tournament has produced. A lot of the 'derailing' isnt because people dont ike the rules, it is because the of presumptuous 'No BS' title. I think I can safely say that it rubs people wrong to see things on these lists called 'BS', and to see someone try to have an impact on the community by stepping up as a leader and imposing their rules on what is and isnt 'BS'. Take away the 'NO BS' title, and I bet it would be easier to sell the idea that 'if you dont like the rules, dont play'. If this were my tournament, I would have called it the 'Lag Industries Invitational'.
Best of luck to everyone who participates in this tournament.
Point noted.
Also as mentioned earlier, try to understand the backdrop in which the term came from and it will become a lot more fitting if so.....
I see your point and maybe the term needs to be re hashed to something like PvP Rumble Night?? (First thing that came to my head)
There was no intention on my part to step up as a "leader" in any way. For me the whole intention was to get the ball rolling for a competative event and bow out by setting a president for others to follow and improve upon.
Any fleet or person from a fleet that puts up a tournament is stepping up as a leader, and that is not a bad thing at all. I understand the original idea, I just dont think it should continue, because of all the ire it causes when people disagree on what constitutes BS.
Any fleet or person from a fleet that puts up a tournament is stepping up as a leader, and that is not a bad thing at all. I understand the original idea, I just dont think it should continue, because of all the ire it causes when people disagree on what constitutes BS.
You may have a point mate. In my mind the No BS names are still fitting based on what the hosts have tried to do. But maybe it is worth other hosters exploring other names.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] @Aquitaine985 Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre. 2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
Meh no bs is just fine, I figure the name represents a goal, and we all try to meet it, even if things aren't perfect... It's the idea that matters, one that hopefully makes this community stronger
With the newest lockbox Release, it may be prudent to ban the usage of the Console ? Universal ? Subspace Integration Circuit It is proving to be pretty BS worthy. And should be considered to be added to the list until it can get its proper attention.
(Note: There is a rumor of being able to extend the duration of the Rift it creates to nearly 30 seconds. But I have yet to be able to confirm that roomer personally)
PS: And this is not a post because I'm Raging about being hit by it. It is a cautionary post because of using it my self and seeing the ridiculously easy kill results from applying it to targets while using Tractor Beams and Gravity wells to keep targets locked in them.
You think that your beta test was bad?
Think about this: American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
With the newest lockbox Release, it may be prudent to ban the usage of the Console ? Universal ? Subspace Integration Circuit It is proving to be pretty BS worthy. And should be considered to be added to the list until it can get its proper attention.
(Note: There is a rumor of being able to extend the duration of the Rift it creates to nearly 30 seconds. But I have yet to be able to confirm that roomer personally)
PS: And this is not a post because I'm Raging about being hit by it. It is a cautionary post because of using it my self and seeing the ridiculously easy kill results from applying it to targets while using Tractor Beams and Gravity wells to keep targets locked in them.
I also hear the new space set affects it's cooldown too. Thanks for letting us know!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] @Aquitaine985 Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre. 2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
With the newest lockbox Release, it may be prudent to ban the usage of the Console ? Universal ? Subspace Integration Circuit It is proving to be pretty BS worthy. And should be considered to be added to the list until it can get its proper attention.
(Note: There is a rumor of being able to extend the duration of the Rift it creates to nearly 30 seconds. But I have yet to be able to confirm that roomer personally)
PS: And this is not a post because I'm Raging about being hit by it. It is a cautionary post because of using it my self and seeing the ridiculously easy kill results from applying it to targets while using Tractor Beams and Gravity wells to keep targets locked in them.
Agreed with you on this. Until the true effect is quantified, leaving it out is a good idea.
Anyone know any PvP Klink fleets? SVK or HOBOs? Be nice to get more involved, really.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] @Aquitaine985 Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre. 2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
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And you were in such a rush to sign up.
The scoring system this time is based to make sure anyone with 5 cloaked ships, that go in gank one or two people and then hide in cloak for the 28min remaining will not only fail to come to win the tourney, but would likely come about 3rd in their group.
Hannibal played it safe last tourney, he just banned cloaks and that was it. It effectively make an entire season's worth of content, an entire season of vast expense and time spent grinding, testing, trying & failing to get good or fun builds with Romulans meaningless. I can totally understand why he did it, I was quite tempted to do the same. But if we just did that too then we'd be the same, and it's be not only repetitive but we'd be branded the same.
So we have allowed cloaks. It was never a problem when it was just the Klingons, but our game has evolved, and the rules need to reflect that too.
The previous tourney banned them out right, we have allowed them and have taken steps (that we as a group have spent many hours over many nights painstakingly speculating and testing) to make sure people with an excessive amount of cloaks don't make it BS for the apposing team.
All I can suggest, to all the people moaning (none of which so far as I know have ever tried to host a tourney) is give it a try. Take what you've learned, evolve the rules again in your own way and i'll congratulate you on your attempt.
@Aquitaine985
Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
Should i simply replace my tac ocnsoles with the new crit consols now? hahaha .
j/k
I HAZ NO MOAR ROOM
Or you could, you know, run your own tournament.
Seriously, it's that easy.
Don't take part, set up your own tournament and prove your rules are better.
If Reg wants to add a rule about cloaks, that's his prerogative.
I think all cloaking teams are lame, and also create their own weakness - but at some point I think we all need to deal with the fact that basically banning entire factions from tournaments is pretty ridiculous.
Do you remember when you said this?
Yeah, that goes for you too.
There are no backroom dealings, seriously, stop with the rumor mongering. These are nearly the exact same rules that Naz created for the first tournament.
For someone who has professed you have no problem with Pandas, you certainly seem to mention us a lot in your posts.
Instead of making up stories about our fleet, something you apparently don't like to be done to yours, feel free to contact me in game or hop on our TS to chat if you have any grievances you want to discuss.
Actually, there were teams that used Rommie ships to great affect, including the team that got 2nd place.
Do I want the same rules as last tourney? Not particularly, although I wouldn't mind either. I like all of the rules of this tourney. The last tourney all clickable consoles were banned, which was a pretty drastic step by the organizers, but in the end I'd say it turned out to be a good move as it seems most everyone enjoyed the games. At the same time, I'm fine with the more stream-lined rules of this tourney in regards to consoles.
If you haven't been able to tell by now, I'll re-iterate my main concern: I'm afraid that the lack of any rules/restrictions what-so-ever in regards to cloaking ships can cause some serious B.S. issues in this No B.S. tourney. Specifically, 5 man cloak teams and teams with multiple Romulan double-tappers are my main concern.
Since you haven't played much since LoR, let me try to give you an example on why the double tap is so OP now. Back when Klingon BoP's did this strat, it was very powerful, but not OP, mainly due to the weaknesses inherent with BoP's and the fact that Klingons aren't getting all the crazy bonuses that Rommies get. Now, on the Rommie side, you basically have a ship that is *nearly* the equivalent of a Jem'Hadr Attack Ship in the Fleet Ha'feh
Now, instead of a fragile BoP doing a hit and run double-tap battle cloak strat, you have what is essentially a Bug ship doing it that has:
I'm sure I'm missing some stuff in that list since I don't run it myself, but that's the jist of it. A lot of this stuff didn't exist when you held the first No B.S. tourney so there wasn't much of a reason to have any type of cloak rule/double-tap rule.
When you put all of this together, and have 2 people that can execute the attack on a single target while coordinating debuffs with their sci's, it's just NOT FUN to play against, and wasn't that the underlying principle of the No B.S. tourney when you started it - to have a fun, fair playing ground where people could competitively pew-pew at each other?
@DevolvedOne
Don't worry. I have nothing to moan about. I'm happy with your rules the way they are. I will advise you only once however not to generalize my fleet. And don't lump my name into your forum pvp. And as the tournament host. You may want to provide a more objective response to the concerns of the players potentially participating in your tournament. Despite their valid disagreements over your current rules set.
Let no other Captain discourage you from what you believe you can achieve in PvP. Debuffs and Disables be damned! Charge up your Backstep and Forge your build out of Lock Boxes, Consoles, and Flash Sales feeding off of only your pure will to chain, spam, and hax your way forward. You will not be forgotten to history.
The fact that we have to spell out every single thing for some people is the saddest part of the game right now. We should all understand that building teams around 1-2 annoying mechanics is bad form. Even the worst of the worst in the game right now I think we can all handle in small amounts on a team... its the need for people to slot it into there teams x4 or x5 if you don't tell them they can't that is the issue.
I love to win to... but perhaps its time we all say to ourselves ok this is a "No BS" "Fun Day" what ever iteration of this idea we come up with... and you know play in the spirit of that.
Use tournament 3 as an extreme example with no cloaks allowed (Results now in)
Use the 4th No BS Tournament as an extreme all out cloaks (TBD)
By the time the 5th tournament is hosted, we will have definitive reason both ways to "balance" the cloaking issue.
Surely this is an amicable longer term solution that will be based on facts all fleets witness.
My thought pattern for the first tournament was exactly this
That was me, btw.
I'm always up for a good fight. But I do agree that we need to have an open discussion on a lot of these new intros to the game, especially the Elachi stuff.
I understand people came with that thought in mind to... I know that one went pretty darn well. I hope people treat the rest of them this way in the future.
Regarding the new stuff from the Elachi Lock Box.
We are open to any opinions about the new stuff Cryptic threw at us.
We are already testing some of those, and are very happy to hear everyones thoughts on those items.
If needed some of those items will be added to the ban list.
You can PM Regulus ingame (@Aquitaine985) or just hop on our TS3 (speak2-6.teamspeak.net:12201) if you want to share your opinion on the new Elachi stuff.
I apologize if you think I'm trying to grief you or that all I'm doing is moaning. That was not my intention. I was trying to voice my concerns about certain problems that could arise due to having no cloaking restrictions, although I admite, I could have chosen some better words from time to time.
I'm glad to hear that you're working on a system that will mitigate the cloak and hide tactic as this was on of my concerns. Do you think you could explain how you're going to be doing the scoring system?
Contrary to what some of my posts may lead you to believe, I do appreciate you putting on this tourney for the PvP community and look forward to playing in it.
@DevolvedOne
Phew..... GROUP HUG!!!!!
I know healthy debates are good. I'm sure if you have a plausible solution to the issue, jump on his TS and talk it through. Who knows, he might listen
Just my idea:
For each additional cloaker above the first 2 (or whatever), you start off at a negative score i.e. if you have 5 cloakers, you start of with "-3" kills forcing you to kill 3 just to level the score.
Nice tactics try and derail the last tourny and start your own "EVEN BETTER" tourny, one word, FREAKS !
its like Tyler and his channel sending peeps to OPvP to get players for his matches and channel, ya big babies !
well i would say that having 2 double taps on a team and 3 cloaked scis wtv, doesnt require any skill to win... as it was said by @DevolvedOne 2 double taps can easly kill a recluse fully buffed... with no trainning at all... just need TS to coordinate when to strike...
so what i see were is rules that will favour a 5 man team that can even have 5 double tappers... 2 tacs 3 scis easly... strong stuff...
IMO i think it should be restricted to 1 cloak per team
Federation :: Fleetless :: Klingon
Jorge Silva - Tac | Nayja - Sci | Jorge E. Silva - Eng
Jorge R. Silva - Tac (Romulan Fed)
Nayja K Silva - Sci | Vurg'jah - Tac
??? what lol
You get that it was those "derail" guys that started the no BS tournament right ? lol
As for the TD channel... our channel isn't about competing with Opvp of course we advertise our matches there... your welcome to join us anytime... join TD or not. Grow a pair yourself.
The only thing I can add as a request for this tourney as opposed to last tourney, is that someone please record this matches
ps er... whats an mt tool? im not sure if trolling or (just inbox me your answer, rather not derail thread even further).
As someone that can't play sto atm, I very much look forward to the matches
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he he, reel 'em in !
Just thought I would do to this thread what you lot did to the last one, I mean why break with tradition !
Oh I don't recall mentioning any tool all I said was MT, something your not telling us then ?
:P
EDIT: Oh... wait are you trolling? O_o I'm quite terrible at figuring these things out.
EDIT2: Lol nm, just ignore my comments, im too confused now.
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Imma putting ur ship in tha dirt!!! So u know
hahaha.
Black POO FTW!!!
Suggestion: This should be the Last tournament that assumes to call itself a 'No BS Tournament' - This would avoid the altercations that this thread and every other thread since Naz' Tournament has produced. A lot of the 'derailing' isnt because people dont ike the rules, it is because the of presumptuous 'No BS' title. I think I can safely say that it rubs people wrong to see things on these lists called 'BS', and to see someone try to have an impact on the community by stepping up as a leader and imposing their rules on what is and isnt 'BS'. Take away the 'NO BS' title, and I bet it would be easier to sell the idea that 'if you dont like the rules, dont play'. If this were my tournament, I would have called it the 'Lag Industries Invitational'.
Best of luck to everyone who participates in this tournament.
Point noted.
Also as mentioned earlier, try to understand the backdrop in which the term came from and it will become a lot more fitting if so.....
I see your point and maybe the term needs to be re hashed to something like PvP Rumble Night?? (First thing that came to my head)
There was no intention on my part to step up as a "leader" in any way. For me the whole intention was to get the ball rolling for a competative event and bow out by setting a president for others to follow and improve upon.
You may have a point mate. In my mind the No BS names are still fitting based on what the hosts have tried to do. But maybe it is worth other hosters exploring other names.
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(Note: There is a rumor of being able to extend the duration of the Rift it creates to nearly 30 seconds. But I have yet to be able to confirm that roomer personally)
PS: And this is not a post because I'm Raging about being hit by it. It is a cautionary post because of using it my self and seeing the ridiculously easy kill results from applying it to targets while using Tractor Beams and Gravity wells to keep targets locked in them.
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
I also hear the new space set affects it's cooldown too. Thanks for letting us know!
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Inner Circle is in, @ilhansk
Agreed with you on this. Until the true effect is quantified, leaving it out is a good idea.
Independance Day - Classic...lol
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