A complete overhaul on the cruisers, if I want to fly carriers, I'll play my Klingon character and jump in the mirror Vo'quv. What is really needed is more cruisers with Lt Cmd tac slots, flying escorts all the time gets stale over time and it's getting boring.
I seem to have more fun in my Sovereign Refit than I do in my collection of escorts, and yes I would love a Typhoon Class battleship but another fed carrier not really.
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A complete overhaul on the cruisers, if I want to fly carriers, I'll play my Klingon character and jump in the mirror Vo'quv. What is really needed is more cruisers with Lt Cmd tac slots, flying escorts all the time gets stale over time and it's getting boring.
I seem to have more fun in my Sovereign Refit than I do in my collection of escorts, and yes I would love a Typhoon Class battleship but another fed carrier not really.
More Cruisers with Lt.Cmd Tac slots? 3 aren't enough? Advanced Heavy, Assault R and Odyssey. (Admittedly that's a Uni Lt.Com but still).
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IMO i feel that STO is losing some of that faction individuality. while i do agree with play balance , each faction shouldn't be a carbon copy . one faction should do one thing better than the others , with each having a suitable counter towards those.
as for fed carriers to be honest cruisers like the GALAXY have HUGE auxiliary craft bays ( as seen in the Enterprise -D blue prints ) there is a reason for them mostly showing shuttle bay 2 and 3 in TNG . shuttle bay one is really a major flight deck with part of the saucer on either side of it for maintenance and launch prep. thats prob too big of a expense at the time to show on camera .
so the other big fed cruisers are prob similar. i really feel that dedicated carriers are really unnecessary in star fleet . with a simple restock , any big cruiser can be come a true fighter carrier . or use what it has in shuttles to fill the role .
You mean like Star Wars? Nobody could possibly want to play an Imperial or Sith, right?
Mmmmm, no, not at all like that even a little bit. To watch and enjoy star trek is to be a fan of the federation and starfleet. Not a side/enemy race (one of many) that appears in a fraction of the episodes and a few of the movies.
Star wars is, in many ways, ABOUT the Sith.
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A true carrier (to me, in my opinion) would be a cruiser on steroids. I just retired my Multi-Mission Reconnaissance Explorer (after 3 months of faithful service) with my Fed Character. Now my new baby, is the Atrox (I've flown it for 3 whole days now). Managing 6 Scorpion's with my Multi-Mission Reconnaissance Explorer was easy (because I've flown it for 3 whole months). But 12 fighters (6 Scorpions & 6 Stalker Fighters ) is a handful with the Atrox. Trying to keep them alive and repair their shields so that they can all reach 5 starts requires a lot more concentration. I don't know about the players with other Carriers, but for me I don't want another carrier.
Instead allow every cruiser or science ship to launch Roundabouts and have the carrier commands. Those of us with the current carriers can continue to manage our fighters. And if you really want more "carrier feel" allow the current carriers to have a 3rd or 4th hangar slot. That way they can launch 48 fighters at once or a combination of fighters, worker bees and repair drones.
That's my compromise. I think everyone (except the Escort players) would like to have those options on the table.
One day Cryptic will be free from their Perfect World overlord. Until that day comes, they will continue to pamper the whales of this game, and ignore everyone that isn't a whale.
hey there, YES!!!!! it is time. how about making the galaxy-x, a dreadnought carrier?? with more tactical consoles, boff's, 2 hangers, more engineering consoles.
or, maybe, take an odyssey and make her a carrier??
There's really no need for a new Federation Carrier...though I certainly wouldn't complain if there was (minus those damn money sink lockbox ships)
They just need to update the game's existing "true carriers" you know the ones with 2 hanger bays...
To compete with "fleet" variant ships atrox could prolly use
-above everything else, this is most important honestly(especially given the ranking system)...an atrox specific frigate class pet...I honestly don't care if its a redesigned aquarius, defiant, or "caitan" frigate, as long as we get one.
the Atrox is just getting outclassed by the other carriers that CAN field frigates...its a bit depressing...since I'm using one...
-a 5th boff would be nice
a tweak to the ranking system or defenses of those "fighters" in general would be nice too...to account for their lack of ability to survive long enough to rank up to balance out fighters vs frigates.
I was stationed on a carrier for 7 years and I can tell you it wasn't all war and killing kittens....we went on more diplomatic missions then war missions in my time on the ship.
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May I ask how did Cryptic, when listening to the cries of Fed's demand of a carrier, giving them a slow-poke that is too science heavy (and thus cannot support its fighter) and ended up having only fighters, not to mention that it does not look trek??
I mean even star cruiser look better than that thing!
If every cruiser can have atleast one hangar slot (and the current carriers can get a 3rd) would the game me more fun or would it be more work for the servers?
I personally think that all cryptic has to do is unlock the hangar slots for every cruiser.
Cruiser with under 1,000 crew members can have 1 hangar slot (similar to my Multimission Recon Explorer)
Cruiser's with 1,001 - 2,000 can have 2 hangar slots.
Cruisers with 2,001+ members can have 3 hangar slots.
The current Atrox that I fly (and the other "true" carrier's) can have a 3rd hangar slot that can be dedicated to worker bees.
This can be done with a patch. Any developer reading this, you can make real world money if you allow the any of our current small ships to be launched. For example, My Yellowstone Roundabout and it's current configuration can be launched. I'm sure people will buy your zen fighters just so they can launch them.
With this method of "carriers" you can either purchase a generic carrier pet or launch your customized small fighter. Because what's the point of having a small fighter when you can't launch it from your current ship?
One day Cryptic will be free from their Perfect World overlord. Until that day comes, they will continue to pamper the whales of this game, and ignore everyone that isn't a whale.
If every cruiser can have atleast one hangar slot (and the current carriers can get a 3rd) would the game me more fun or would it be more work for the servers?
I personally think that all cryptic has to do is unlock the hangar slots for every cruiser.
Cruiser with under 1,000 crew members can have 1 hangar slot (similar to my Multimission Recon Explorer)
Cruiser's with 1,001 - 2,000 can have 2 hangar slots.
Cruisers with 2,001+ members can have 3 hangar slots.
The current Atrox that I fly (and the other "true" carrier's) can have a 3rd hangar slot that can be dedicated to worker bees.
This can be done with a patch. Any developer reading this, you can make real world money if you allow the any of our current small ships to be launched. For example, My Yellowstone Roundabout and it's current configuration can be launched. I'm sure people will buy your zen fighters just so they can launch them.
With this method of "carriers" you can either purchase a generic carrier pet or launch your customized small fighter. Because what's the point of having a small fighter when you can't launch it from your current ship?
What happens to the Orion Flight Deck Cruisers that already have a Hanger bay?
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What happens to the Orion Flight Deck Cruisers that already have a Hanger bay?
Give it a second hangar slot. That was why I used the crew members size to determine how many hangar slots the dev's can unlock (assuming the cruiser doesn't already have a hangar slot). But I see what you mean with a ship like the Orion.
I must admit after looks at the size and build of the Orion Flight Deck Cruiser, I would almost want to give it 2 more hangar slots (for a total of 3).
As I said,... to me this method would bridge our requests for hangar pets/ carriers. The way I see it the dev's can do 1 of 2 things to satisfy our needs.
1. Add a second or 3rd hangar slot to a ship that already has one if it meets the ship has a crew of 1,000 or more.
2. Allow our "improvised carriers" to launch our small shuttles WITH the current loadout that we have. For example I have a Yellowstone Roundabout with a Plasma turret and Plasma Torpedo. I would like my Atrox to be able to launch 6-12 of my exact build.
One day Cryptic will be free from their Perfect World overlord. Until that day comes, they will continue to pamper the whales of this game, and ignore everyone that isn't a whale.
2. Allow our "improvised carriers" to launch our small shuttles WITH the current loadout that we have. For example I have a Yellowstone Roundabout with a Plasma turret and Plasma Torpedo. I would like my Atrox to be able to launch 6-12 of my exact build.
I love this idea, I'd be happy to be able to launch my single Shuttle/Fighter/Runabout but it comes out with a 5 star ranking. It would mean the BOFFs assigned to it couldn't be seated on the Main ship. I'd also love to see a Shuttle DOFF selection to go with Ground & Space. Maybe only 3 guys. Make some special Shuttle DOFFs and this way every ship in the game now gets a combat pet.
Also it gives you more reason to buy a shuttle, because right now I tell everyone to just get the Normal Runabout, no point spending money on a ship you fly once or twice.
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That's the reason I stated that. It would give everyone a reason to buy a shuttle with zen. Like you I only purchased a roundabout because the game doesn't focus much on shuttles. Not enough content to make them relevant.
Also, to me it would seem logical to be able to launch the shuttle that you already own. Instead of purchasing some other carrier pet while your shuttle is collecting dust.
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a real federation carrier is a good thing, the kitty cat litter back isnt a real ship, i vote for a tactical flavoured carrier, or a half eng/tac carrier.
and lets keep the kdf begging in the kdf section,i dont even know what the kdf fanboys have to do on a post about a FED carrier.
go talk thing that are not gonna happen (5 tac slot brel? you high on meds dude?) in the klingon forum.
Why would Starfleet have a carrier? That question is usualy answered with they wouldnt because all the big ships are powerfull enough, or small fighters are useless.
Well both answers can be true but it does not correctly answer the question. Why would starfleet want a carrier? In times of peace the carrier would ofcourse be used to bring smaller support craft to various locations. Craft like worker bee's to replace old and broken at a starbase on up to frigates to be deployed as a planetary defense system. During a war they can deliver the small defense fighters to various starbases to replace the ones they lost in battle and bring those small fighters to any battlefield.
Another wartime use would be to bring small support craft to a battlefield for repairs on the larger craft. During a battle frigates can land and replenish torps and get emergency repairs then launch again just like fighter aircraft in todays navy will land, refuel and replenish then return to battle. That frees up other support ships that deliver torpedos to only replenish the large ships that cannot dock increasing efficancy. Carrier brings frigates and supports them as well as brings other support craft to help the rest of the fleet.
Better question is... Why would starfleet not have carriers and choose to gimp themselves?
Now as far as faction vrs faction and balance KDF carriers are made for battle and doing damage but support is where they are weak. Why not a fed carrier that is strong in support but weak in damage. Having that it would be a balance, the fed carrier's pets can negate a kdf carriers pets damage. carriers themselves equal. The fed carrier can be a good support ship by giving the pets healing abilities ontop of having fewer weapons than the KDF's. They can heal each other or any ship on the team without being given a command to do so.
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A carrier with a lot of support abilities and little fire power... Isn't that the Atrox, isn't that the reason the Feds want a Vo'quv?
You want a Carrier with Firepower, buy the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought.
Carriers are the only area where Klingons have the best ship, Feds have Sci ships, Cruisers and Escorts. Let them have Carriers.
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I personally couldn't care less what career class of carrier it is. Sure I'd choose a Tac one over a Sci but all I really want is a:
STARFLEET CARRIER
No Alien Carriers! As a Fed player, I don't fly any non-Starfleet ships whatsoever. I did buy the Atrox because I really wanted to try carriers but that's the last time I buy an alien ship.
What can I say? Flying an Alien ship completely ruins my Starfleet RP/Dream/Love/Fantasy... I know I'm not alone on this
As for logical debates on how canon they are---> Are you seriously having these after everything they've released? File it in the huge file cabinet somewhere after "Hundreds of different Uniforms", "Photonic Bridge Officers", "Wells Class", "T5 Nova Classes" and "Winter Wonderlands"...
Like a Dev said a while back: If it fits the theme, then it can find it's way into the game.
Now a simple word back to them: Make this ship and you'll get my $$$
I personally couldn't care less what career class of carrier it is. Sure I'd choose a Tac one over a Sci but all I really want is a:
STARFLEET CARRIER
No Alien Carriers! As a Fed player, I don't fly any non-Starfleet ships whatsoever. I did buy the Atrox because I really wanted to try carriers but that's the last time I buy an alien ship.
What can I say? Flying an Alien ship completely ruins my Starfleet RP/Dream/Love/Fantasy... I know I'm not alone on this
As for logical debates on how canon they are---> Are you seriously having these after everything they've released? File it in the huge file cabinet somewhere after "Hundreds of different Uniforms", "Photonic Bridge Officers", "Wells Class", "T5 Nova Classes" and "Winter Wonderlands"...
Like a Dev said a while back: If it fits the theme, then it can find it's way into the game.
Now a simple word back to them: Make this ship and you'll get my $$$
Would you settle for a 400 Zen Fed skin for the Atrox? Essentially it looks Fed has access to Fed Hull Materials and Windows but is for all intents and purposes the Atrox.
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If it means the KDF get the Regents flagship, Im for it.
Only if theres a mirror universe defiant class ship with a console that launches a peregrine fighter piloted by mirror bashir that launches an a attack that disables it. :P haha jk
I like the idea of a purely Starfleet carrier vessel.
One option would be a cleaned-up and detailed Jupiter class vessel. Of Starfleet's existing ships, this is the one I can most likely see carrying significant numbers of fighters.
Dont forget the KDF have the best Battlecruisers and BoP's.
I'd argue you that KDF break even on some Cruisers but with the sheer amount of choice on the Fed side of things they come out on top. The Klingons have at T5 3 Cruisers, the Negh'var which has the worst BOFF layout of all time according to Federation Captains. (It's the Galaxy R layout) the Vor'Cha which is a great version of the standard T5 Assault & the Bortasq that goes up against the Odyssey. Leaving the Federation with the Star Cruiser, Excelsior, Galaxy R, Galaxy Dreadnought, Assault R. I admit some are C-Store ships but Klingons don't even have C-Store Cruiser beyond the Bortasq. Theres a bit more balance when it comes to Fleet Cruisers but again that's still harder for the KDF.
The Romulans T'Varo is a far better BoP than anything the Klingons have. Infact every Romulan ship has more hull and shields than the BoP and a better version of the BoPs special ability to Battle Cloak. The Klingon BoP seems completely outclassed now.
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I'd argue you that KDF break even on some Cruisers but with the sheer amount of choice on the Fed side of things they come out on top. The Klingons have at T5 3 Cruisers, the Negh'var which has the worst BOFF layout of all time according to Federation Captains. (It's the Galaxy R layout) the Vor'Cha which is a great version of the standard T5 Assault & the Bortasq that goes up against the Odyssey. Leaving the Federation with the Star Cruiser, Excelsior, Galaxy R, Galaxy Dreadnought, Assault R. I admit some are C-Store ships but Klingons don't even have C-Store Cruiser beyond the Bortasq. Theres a bit more balance when it comes to Fleet Cruisers but again that's still harder for the KDF.
The Romulans T'Varo is a far better BoP than anything the Klingons have. Infact every Romulan ship has more hull and shields than the BoP and a better version of the BoPs special ability to Battle Cloak. The Klingon BoP seems completely outclassed now.
Fleet Neg'hvar has a universal ensign, standard cloak, better turn and cannosn with same hull and shields as the Starcruiser. As for the Rom vs KDF BOP thats another debate and this was between the bop and federation ships. The BOP still has full universal boff slots that has to be countered somewhere.
My personal view is that the Feds should get the Atrox to fleet level when the KDF gets the Karfi to fleet level as well.
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I seem to have more fun in my Sovereign Refit than I do in my collection of escorts, and yes I would love a Typhoon Class battleship but another fed carrier not really.
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More Cruisers with Lt.Cmd Tac slots? 3 aren't enough? Advanced Heavy, Assault R and Odyssey. (Admittedly that's a Uni Lt.Com but still).
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When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
as for fed carriers to be honest cruisers like the GALAXY have HUGE auxiliary craft bays ( as seen in the Enterprise -D blue prints ) there is a reason for them mostly showing shuttle bay 2 and 3 in TNG . shuttle bay one is really a major flight deck with part of the saucer on either side of it for maintenance and launch prep. thats prob too big of a expense at the time to show on camera .
so the other big fed cruisers are prob similar. i really feel that dedicated carriers are really unnecessary in star fleet . with a simple restock , any big cruiser can be come a true fighter carrier . or use what it has in shuttles to fill the role .
give em whatever they want.
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Mmmmm, no, not at all like that even a little bit. To watch and enjoy star trek is to be a fan of the federation and starfleet. Not a side/enemy race (one of many) that appears in a fraction of the episodes and a few of the movies.
Star wars is, in many ways, ABOUT the Sith.
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Instead allow every cruiser or science ship to launch Roundabouts and have the carrier commands. Those of us with the current carriers can continue to manage our fighters. And if you really want more "carrier feel" allow the current carriers to have a 3rd or 4th hangar slot. That way they can launch 48 fighters at once or a combination of fighters, worker bees and repair drones.
That's my compromise. I think everyone (except the Escort players) would like to have those options on the table.
or, maybe, take an odyssey and make her a carrier??
again, please be kind!!!
They just need to update the game's existing "true carriers" you know the ones with 2 hanger bays...
To compete with "fleet" variant ships atrox could prolly use
-above everything else, this is most important honestly(especially given the ranking system)...an atrox specific frigate class pet...I honestly don't care if its a redesigned aquarius, defiant, or "caitan" frigate, as long as we get one.
the Atrox is just getting outclassed by the other carriers that CAN field frigates...its a bit depressing...since I'm using one...
-a 5th boff would be nice
a tweak to the ranking system or defenses of those "fighters" in general would be nice too...to account for their lack of ability to survive long enough to rank up to balance out fighters vs frigates.
YES!!!!! it is time for a federation carrier!!!!!
perhaps take the galaxy-x. and make a dreadnought carrier.
2 hangers
full 8 weapons slot( 4 fore, 4 aft)
4 tactical consoles 4 engineering consoles,3 science consoles
3 tactical boffs commanders, 2 engineering boffs lt. commander, 2 (?) science boffs cmdr.
or even take an odyssey or sovereign and make them carriers???
please be kind...
I'm going to go ahead and assume that you didn't actually just ask for a ship with 5 Commander and 2 Lt Commander BOffs and that's just a typo.
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May I ask how did Cryptic, when listening to the cries of Fed's demand of a carrier, giving them a slow-poke that is too science heavy (and thus cannot support its fighter) and ended up having only fighters, not to mention that it does not look trek??
I mean even star cruiser look better than that thing!
I personally think that all cryptic has to do is unlock the hangar slots for every cruiser.
Cruiser with under 1,000 crew members can have 1 hangar slot (similar to my Multimission Recon Explorer)
Cruiser's with 1,001 - 2,000 can have 2 hangar slots.
Cruisers with 2,001+ members can have 3 hangar slots.
The current Atrox that I fly (and the other "true" carrier's) can have a 3rd hangar slot that can be dedicated to worker bees.
This can be done with a patch. Any developer reading this, you can make real world money if you allow the any of our current small ships to be launched. For example, My Yellowstone Roundabout and it's current configuration can be launched. I'm sure people will buy your zen fighters just so they can launch them.
With this method of "carriers" you can either purchase a generic carrier pet or launch your customized small fighter. Because what's the point of having a small fighter when you can't launch it from your current ship?
What happens to the Orion Flight Deck Cruisers that already have a Hanger bay?
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Give it a second hangar slot. That was why I used the crew members size to determine how many hangar slots the dev's can unlock (assuming the cruiser doesn't already have a hangar slot). But I see what you mean with a ship like the Orion.
I must admit after looks at the size and build of the Orion Flight Deck Cruiser, I would almost want to give it 2 more hangar slots (for a total of 3).
As I said,... to me this method would bridge our requests for hangar pets/ carriers. The way I see it the dev's can do 1 of 2 things to satisfy our needs.
1. Add a second or 3rd hangar slot to a ship that already has one if it meets the ship has a crew of 1,000 or more.
2. Allow our "improvised carriers" to launch our small shuttles WITH the current loadout that we have. For example I have a Yellowstone Roundabout with a Plasma turret and Plasma Torpedo. I would like my Atrox to be able to launch 6-12 of my exact build.
I love this idea, I'd be happy to be able to launch my single Shuttle/Fighter/Runabout but it comes out with a 5 star ranking. It would mean the BOFFs assigned to it couldn't be seated on the Main ship. I'd also love to see a Shuttle DOFF selection to go with Ground & Space. Maybe only 3 guys. Make some special Shuttle DOFFs and this way every ship in the game now gets a combat pet.
Also it gives you more reason to buy a shuttle, because right now I tell everyone to just get the Normal Runabout, no point spending money on a ship you fly once or twice.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Also, to me it would seem logical to be able to launch the shuttle that you already own. Instead of purchasing some other carrier pet while your shuttle is collecting dust.
and lets keep the kdf begging in the kdf section,i dont even know what the kdf fanboys have to do on a post about a FED carrier.
go talk thing that are not gonna happen (5 tac slot brel? you high on meds dude?) in the klingon forum.
Well both answers can be true but it does not correctly answer the question. Why would starfleet want a carrier? In times of peace the carrier would ofcourse be used to bring smaller support craft to various locations. Craft like worker bee's to replace old and broken at a starbase on up to frigates to be deployed as a planetary defense system. During a war they can deliver the small defense fighters to various starbases to replace the ones they lost in battle and bring those small fighters to any battlefield.
Another wartime use would be to bring small support craft to a battlefield for repairs on the larger craft. During a battle frigates can land and replenish torps and get emergency repairs then launch again just like fighter aircraft in todays navy will land, refuel and replenish then return to battle. That frees up other support ships that deliver torpedos to only replenish the large ships that cannot dock increasing efficancy. Carrier brings frigates and supports them as well as brings other support craft to help the rest of the fleet.
Better question is... Why would starfleet not have carriers and choose to gimp themselves?
Now as far as faction vrs faction and balance KDF carriers are made for battle and doing damage but support is where they are weak. Why not a fed carrier that is strong in support but weak in damage. Having that it would be a balance, the fed carrier's pets can negate a kdf carriers pets damage. carriers themselves equal. The fed carrier can be a good support ship by giving the pets healing abilities ontop of having fewer weapons than the KDF's. They can heal each other or any ship on the team without being given a command to do so.
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You want a Carrier with Firepower, buy the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought.
Carriers are the only area where Klingons have the best ship, Feds have Sci ships, Cruisers and Escorts. Let them have Carriers.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
STARFLEET CARRIER
No Alien Carriers! As a Fed player, I don't fly any non-Starfleet ships whatsoever. I did buy the Atrox because I really wanted to try carriers but that's the last time I buy an alien ship.
What can I say? Flying an Alien ship completely ruins my Starfleet RP/Dream/Love/Fantasy... I know I'm not alone on this
As for logical debates on how canon they are---> Are you seriously having these after everything they've released? File it in the huge file cabinet somewhere after "Hundreds of different Uniforms", "Photonic Bridge Officers", "Wells Class", "T5 Nova Classes" and "Winter Wonderlands"...
Like a Dev said a while back: If it fits the theme, then it can find it's way into the game.
Now a simple word back to them: Make this ship and you'll get my $$$
Would you settle for a 400 Zen Fed skin for the Atrox? Essentially it looks Fed has access to Fed Hull Materials and Windows but is for all intents and purposes the Atrox.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Only if theres a mirror universe defiant class ship with a console that launches a peregrine fighter piloted by mirror bashir that launches an a attack that disables it. :P haha jk
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Dont forget the KDF have the best Battlecruisers and BoP's.
One option would be a cleaned-up and detailed Jupiter class vessel. Of Starfleet's existing ships, this is the one I can most likely see carrying significant numbers of fighters.
I'd argue you that KDF break even on some Cruisers but with the sheer amount of choice on the Fed side of things they come out on top. The Klingons have at T5 3 Cruisers, the Negh'var which has the worst BOFF layout of all time according to Federation Captains. (It's the Galaxy R layout) the Vor'Cha which is a great version of the standard T5 Assault & the Bortasq that goes up against the Odyssey. Leaving the Federation with the Star Cruiser, Excelsior, Galaxy R, Galaxy Dreadnought, Assault R. I admit some are C-Store ships but Klingons don't even have C-Store Cruiser beyond the Bortasq. Theres a bit more balance when it comes to Fleet Cruisers but again that's still harder for the KDF.
The Romulans T'Varo is a far better BoP than anything the Klingons have. Infact every Romulan ship has more hull and shields than the BoP and a better version of the BoPs special ability to Battle Cloak. The Klingon BoP seems completely outclassed now.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Fleet Neg'hvar has a universal ensign, standard cloak, better turn and cannosn with same hull and shields as the Starcruiser. As for the Rom vs KDF BOP thats another debate and this was between the bop and federation ships. The BOP still has full universal boff slots that has to be countered somewhere.
My personal view is that the Feds should get the Atrox to fleet level when the KDF gets the Karfi to fleet level as well.