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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    tenkari wrote: »
    honestly in surprised the BSG IP holders didnt sue over that.... cause litterally it looks like a battlestar with nacelles on it....
    Lolwut? http://galactica.wikia.com/wiki/Galactica

    No.... besides Battlestars already have nacelles.

    I do agree that KDF needs more ships, but that's not a good reason to not give the Feds a Jupiter class.
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  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    No.... besides Battlestars already have nacelles.

    Only by the broadest interpretation of the definition. They're flight pods (effectively detached hangars), not warp nacelles.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Only by the broadest interpretation of the definition. They're flight pods (effectively detached hangars), not warp nacelles.
    Uh, NO. Those are amidships. The Jump engines in that picture are located at the rear of the ship in housings seperate from the main hull.
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  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Uh, NO. Those are amidships. The Jump engines in that picture are located at the rear of the ship in housings seperate from the main hull.

    Those aren't jump engines, they're sublight drives. Jump drive machinery is deep inside the superstructure of the ship (it's shown when Tyrol discovers the massive crack forming along Galactica's superstructure in the lead up to the series finale), and isn't actually an "engine" as we recognize it because FTL travel in that 'verse is more akin to Einsteinean space folding than actually moving the ship at a velocity faster than the speed of light.
  • warpedcorewarpedcore Member Posts: 362 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Lolwut? http://galactica.wikia.com/wiki/Galactica

    No.... besides Battlestars already have nacelles.

    I do agree that KDF needs more ships, but that's not a good reason to not give the Feds a Jupiter class.

    http://windows7themes.net/wp-content/gallery/battlestar-galactica-wallpaper/battlestar-galactica-wallpaper-5.jpg

    Those are thruster style engines, not warp nacelles. Battlestars don't operate on warp-drive, they just a different means of FTL. As I'm sure you're aware. The FTL on a Battlestar is internal.
  • bloctoadbloctoad Member Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    diogene0 wrote: »
    "Fair"? :rolleyes:

    Then it would be fair if the KDF got:
    - a 5 tac console raptor
    - the equivalent of the Vesta
    - a c-store flight-deck escort
    - 3-4 science fleet ships

    As soon as the KDF gets this then it's fair for the Fed to get a new carrier. :)
    rachelj88 wrote: »
    ^^ Spot On ^^

    to add to your list

    +5 Tac Console B'Rel Bird Of Prey

    `my reasons? the B'Rel BoP is a true glass cannon, exactly what ALL escorts should be, it should have +5 tac console.
    most escorts have hugs hulls and MASSIVE damage and the ability to tank and defend itself better than almost every other ship, The B'Rel has low hull and should have massive damage exactly what people who want to DPS everything should be flying! ... Period.

    to the OP, the Atrox is fine, to be a carrier you depend on your fighters, as for the Vesta its a horrid ship, its the most vile statement of a ship.
    I played from Open Beta and I still continue to play, during the first and second year of STO Tactical Captains where able to use Science Powers better than Science Captains who had spec'd their skills to that power.
    in turn cryptic down toned every skill that the Tactical Captains used... the Vesta just gives Tactical Captains the edge over true Science/Science Captains.

    as for the Armitage Escort Carrier, its a vile statement against the KDF, who continue to this day to recieve nothing. maybe a mirror ship in this box and mirror ship in that box.


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    vestereng wrote: »
    You forgot the clothing and story missions


    vestereng wrote: »
    You forgot the clothing and story missions
    eldarion79 wrote: »
    That's easy, its because a Starfleet vessel was the focal point of the series, not a KDF one and it was easier to build models of Starfleet ships than the Klingon ones. If we got a KDF-centric series, I imagine that a vast amount of new designs will pop up, especially with CGI now.
    First off, it's Birds of Prey.

    Secondly, one snapshot of one conflict, told from an entirely Federation-centric point of view with a limited effects budget, does not a comprehensive understanding of a battle doctrine, or a faction's entire arsenal make.


    You know what would also be fair? KDF having 50+ Unique Story Missions with mission rewards like the Coveriant Personal Shield, Overcharged Plasma Sniper, Flux Chronitons, Polarized Tetryon Beam Arrays. THAN we can talk about fair.
    xantris wrote: »
    Anytime you make a thread asking for Starfleet things based on the merit of fairness compared to the KDF, you automatically forfeit the thread.
    How about levels 1-50? Then we can talk :D



    You do realize if this happens I'm going to have to name it the Macon right? :P

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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    warpedcore wrote: »
    http://windows7themes.net/wp-content/gallery/battlestar-galactica-wallpaper/battlestar-galactica-wallpaper-5.jpg

    Those are thruster style engines, not warp nacelles. Battlestars don't operate on warp-drive, they just a different means of FTL. As I'm sure you're aware. The FTL on a Battlestar is internal.
    Honestly, it's been years since I watched that show. I love that pic!

    I do seem to remember the engine pods glowing when they charged for an FTL jump. But maybe I was imagining it....

    Anyways, the ACTUAL point I was making is that the Battlestars have engine nacelles. (so what if they [possibly] aren't used for FTL)
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  • carcharodon1975carcharodon1975 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I think the Federation has enough ships....it's time for the game to move in a new direction and focus more on an expanded KDF and a playable Romulan faction with new story missions,ships and costume options. Federation play has become dull and tedious, gaining all the unique features the KDF once had with little to nothing given in return to the KDF. If you Feds believe you are superior to the Klingons,why do you want our 'inferior' ships and equipment?
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  • warpedcorewarpedcore Member Posts: 362 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I think the Federation has enough ships....it's time for the game to move in a new direction and focus more on an expanded KDF and a playable Romulan faction with new story missions,ships and costume options. Federation play has become dull and tedious, gaining all the unique features the KDF once had with little to nothing given in return to the KDF. If you Feds believe you are superior to the Klingons,why do you want our 'inferior' ships and equipment?

    I think you're blurring reality and fiction. No one is claiming superiority. It's a video game. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyone who claims superiority needs a head-check. Starfleet / Federation assets sell better than KDF assets do, so naturally the developers are going to craft items they can sell for the most money.
  • maicake716maicake716 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    i bet whenever they do release a "true" fed carrier itll have to have "full size" pets.

    the klingons get bops and frigates and the jem get the attack ship...

    the feds need a carrier that can launch defiants!

    :P
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Oh god not this again....make it end.


    But I really don't see how adding a carrier for the Feds is making it fair since the Klingons don't have stuff like the Feds do, the KDF would need a catch up first to be fair...both ship and content wise.

    It's like a rich kid complaining the poor kid got an IPhone 5 and it would be fair for the rich kid to get the iPhone 6 to be even with him.:)
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  • zahinderzahinder Member Posts: 2,382 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    warpedcore wrote: »
    Starfleet / Federation assets sell better than KDF assets do, so naturally the developers are going to craft items they can sell for the most money.

    BECAUSE KDF IS UNDERDEVELOPED.

    What I'd like to see is how much money has been spent by KDF players compared to the relative cost of KDF content over time. I'd bet it'd be surprising.


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  • xigbargxigbarg Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Go ask the Caitians to make a new one for the Federation. Then maybe they will be loved again and come back with more hair styles and maybe a unique outfit.
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  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Yeah, with all the carriers now in the game, Cryptic's argument for only the KDF having one is a poor argument. They just need to make one.
    Sometimes I think I play STO just to have something to complain about on the forums.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Que?

    What's this about no Fed carriers?

    Feds STILL don't get BoPs and aside from the Chel have no battle cruisers. The idea that the KDF is somehow hurt by Feds getting another Carrier is silly. Feds've had the Atrox for quite a while.... it's an ordinary Z-Store ship. The big difference is that the Vo'Quv is easy to get. You can get one with a rankup token.

    Aside from that, Feds and KDF are pretty even in the carrier department... but not the same.
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  • zahinderzahinder Member Posts: 2,382 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I mourn the KDF faction, but at this point, whatever, may as well give the Feds a fed-looking carrier. They already have a bunch of options, anyway.


    It'd be nice for the KDF to get some science ships, ideally not weak versions like the Gorn ships.
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  • xigbargxigbarg Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Got to admit that the Gorn Ships look pretty awesome though. But yeah, KDF needs more sciencey ships.
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  • zahinderzahinder Member Posts: 2,382 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I wouldn't be so grumpy about Gorn ships if they didn't cost money AND have weaker shields than Fed equivalents.

    Grump.

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    (They are, however, some of my favorite ship designs in the game)
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  • atatassaultatatassault Member Posts: 1,008 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    zahinder wrote: »
    BECAUSE KDF IS UNDERDEVELOPED.
    No, its because in the minds of most people Star Trek = Federation. It's not Cryptic's fault; its the previous Star Trek owners' fault for not giving other factions more spotlight.
  • zahinderzahinder Member Posts: 2,382 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    You mean like Star Wars? Nobody could possibly want to play an Imperial or Sith, right?
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  • bloctoadbloctoad Member Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    maicake716 wrote: »
    i bet whenever they do release a "true" fed carrier itll have to have "full size" pets.

    the klingons get bops and frigates and the jem get the attack ship...

    the feds need a carrier that can launch defiants!

    :P

    Actually the BoP is a Raider. Both Frigates and Raiders are a smaller class of ship than Escorts. As the Defiant is an Escort, a Klingon hanger would require the capability of launching Raptors, an Escort class ship, in comparison.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Enh... finish factions? in an open ended MMO? lol.... At least KDF has Boff counterparts for all of their playable races.... But I digress.... Jupiter: WANT!
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    No, its because in the minds of most people Star Trek = Federation. It's not Cryptic's fault; its the previous Star Trek owners' fault for not giving other factions more spotlight.

    A spotlight that the Devs will hopefully widen to include more than just the feds...

    Still I do not understand why the feds want another carrier when they have some excellent ones already.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    zahinder wrote: »
    I wouldn't be so grumpy about Gorn ships if they didn't cost money AND have weaker shields than Fed equivalents.

    Grump.

    (kicks a rock)

    (They are, however, some of my favorite ship designs in the game)

    I find it funny how weak the Gorn ships are statwise compared to the feds since memory beta mentions that the Gorn had superior ships in many aspects when they first encountered them.
    Did the Gorn get lazy and stop thier R&D?
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    I find it funny how weak the Gorn ships are statwise compared to the feds since memory beta mentions that the Gorn had superior ships in many aspects when they first encountered them.
    Did the Gorn get lazy and stop thier R&D?
    In theory the Federation's racial diversity is a great asset towards speeding up R&D.... in theory.

    But, as for the OP, sure there's a Kilrathi.... er... Caitian carrier for Feds who REALLY want one. Truth is this discussion is here because there will always be more. It's an MMO, MMOs will always have new things.
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  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I will agree to this if and only if the KDF get two new endgame flight deck ships in Tac and Sci flavors.
  • mkilczewskimkilczewski Member Posts: 284
    edited January 2013
    To sum it up in a single word, No. It will NEVER be time for a true, Federation, carrier. No place for carriers, of either faction, in Star Trek. Unfortunately, if Cryptic thinks they can beat a few nickels out of it, you might see Miss Alabama, flying around, naked, in a dune buggy.
  • stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,467 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Don't get me wrong, I am 100% on board with a KDF Major update and revision. Hopefully season 8 will be a good start on the matter.

    However;

    I also agree that the Federation should get an official carrier - since I stated before the Atrox is a horrid ship.

    I hate to recommend this but the Curry Class may be a good candidate - only thing is its one ugly @ss ship.

    http://database.obsidianfleet.net/wiki/index.php?title=Curry_class

    It can be made a true Federation Carrier with the option to have a saucer separation sequence.

    http://wiki.theninthfleet.com/images/a/a9/Curry-1.jpg

    I know its a heinous beast, but with Cryptic artists, they can transform it into a thing of beauty.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    The reason we got the Atrox in the first place was because fans (forums) were upset that in the show we never saw a Carrier.

    So get the cat people to make more for Starfleet.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    stark2k wrote: »
    Don't get me wrong, I am 100% on board with a KDF Major update and revision. Hopefully season 8 will be a good start on the matter.

    However;

    I also agree that the Federation should get an official carrier - since I stated before the Atrox is a horrid ship.

    I hate to recommend this but the Curry Class may be a good candidate - only thing is its one ugly @ss ship.

    http://database.obsidianfleet.net/wiki/index.php?title=Curry_class

    It can be made a true Federation Carrier with the option to have a saucer separation sequence.

    http://wiki.theninthfleet.com/images/a/a9/Curry-1.jpg

    I know its a heinous beast, but with Cryptic artists, they can transform it into a thing of beauty.
    You're right, it is hideous. I'd rather they use the Jupiter class for this.
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