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Yet another Typhoon thread.
baelogventure
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And no, I don't care that it IS another Typhoon thread. I want this dang ship.
My proposed set up for it.
Typhoon-class, with alternate Hurricane and Cyclone skins.
Designation - Battleship (No, NOT Cruiser)
Innate - +100% Beam Weapon Damage (Which would be 50% for MMO math)
Special Console - None. If needed, Dedicated Tractor Beam Array. Allows for use of Tractor Beam or Tractor Beam Repulsors on a console cooldown
Special Weapon - 4x Heavy Phaser Beam Arrays. 280 Base Damage (Compared to Accx2 and Dmgx2 Advanced Fleet Weapons on a ground map that have a 240 base damage listing) -12 Weapon Drain, 2x Acc 3x Dmg mods, Battleship Only, may only have 4 total equipped.
Hull Strength - 50,000
Shield Mod - 1.15
Turn - 5.5
Bonus Power - +10 Weapons, +10 Shields
Console Layout - 5 Engi, 1 Sci, 4 Tac
BOff layout - Cmd Engi, LTC Tac, Lt Tac, Ens Sci, Lt Engi/Uni
And, yeah, I really don't care what people say, if they say anything...I STILL want a Typhoon.
My proposed set up for it.
Typhoon-class, with alternate Hurricane and Cyclone skins.
Designation - Battleship (No, NOT Cruiser)
Innate - +100% Beam Weapon Damage (Which would be 50% for MMO math)
Special Console - None. If needed, Dedicated Tractor Beam Array. Allows for use of Tractor Beam or Tractor Beam Repulsors on a console cooldown
Special Weapon - 4x Heavy Phaser Beam Arrays. 280 Base Damage (Compared to Accx2 and Dmgx2 Advanced Fleet Weapons on a ground map that have a 240 base damage listing) -12 Weapon Drain, 2x Acc 3x Dmg mods, Battleship Only, may only have 4 total equipped.
Hull Strength - 50,000
Shield Mod - 1.15
Turn - 5.5
Bonus Power - +10 Weapons, +10 Shields
Console Layout - 5 Engi, 1 Sci, 4 Tac
BOff layout - Cmd Engi, LTC Tac, Lt Tac, Ens Sci, Lt Engi/Uni
And, yeah, I really don't care what people say, if they say anything...I STILL want a Typhoon.
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A ship with +100% beam damage PLUS more powerful phaser beam arrays PLUS a rediculously tough 50k hull PLUS a dedicated tractor beam?
Yeah. No.
The Typhoon is a good idea, I agree, but what your proposing is just unfairly overpowered.
Complete misunderstanding of Communism AND Soviet Russia aside, its already listed as a Battleship in game.
*Ahem*
1. 100% in MMOs translates into 50% of actual boost
2. Battleships have always had literally bigger guns then Battlecruisers or Cruisers, this reflects that.
3. I said "None" for console, but "If Needed" give it a dedicated Tractor/TBR power with a console length cooldown...3-4 minutes, since it's what you see the NPC Typhoon's using in game, all the time.
4. Yes, 50k hull, which isn't too far away from the Fleet Vo'Quv with it's 46,200 hull, and it's supposed to be a Carrier. Battleships, as they ARE called Battleships, period, were THE most heavily armed and armored craft on the seas.
Don't gimmie no jibber-jabber about this being a game and have nothing to do with real-world Naval vessels, aside from the fact that they pretty much do, right down to what roles they're supposed to perform.
Let's treat Shielding as Electronic Countermeasures and such for now, mmmmkay?
Escorts and Destroyers serve the same role they do in the modern Navy, they're very fast, heavily armored warships with limited ECM
Science Vessels are basically ECM Frigates, nearly as fast as a Destroyer, with not nearly the punch, but a LOT more ECM/Naval Wizardry, advanced sensors and a high powered electronic suite, as it were.
Cruisers are just that, Cruisers. Cruisers were normally designed as screens for Carriers and Battleships and other vessels while still being able to take a punch and deal it back out, with the heaviest armor and a moderate amount of ECM, which is pretty much what they do in STO, they're supposed to screen for the Destroyers and ECM Frigates and let them do their job.
So, I want a Battleship. A large, very heavily armed and armored vessel made for battle. They're supposed to have the biggest broadside guns, hence the +Beam Damage and Heavy Beam Arrays.
C'mon people! Bring the closest thing we'll get to an Iowa or Montana-class to STO!
1. cryptic doesnt want it playable
2. we already have a flagship which is the oddessey
3. the ship is ugly
4. we already have enough ships as it is for fed side and need to focus more on the kdf and romulan side
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dev's seem to keep it around. started a new klingon tyesterday.... and i saw typhoons in the opening movie.
The Odyssey is already in-game as a dreadnought. But I am completely on-board with replacing the Typhoon with something more pleasing to the eye.
During the First Contact Day event I explored the shipyards with Demorecord and stumbled across a beautiful looking ship that isn't currently in the game as an NPC. Unfortunately I forgot to screenshot it, but I can totally see it being the replacement for the Typhoon.
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Last I heard was if they went playable they be redesigned.
1. Sauce?
2. Just because the Odyssey is the new "face" of Starfleet doesn't mean that there is no room for other large ships.
3. Subjective. And in my own subjective opinion, the Envoy,Noble, Monarch, etc. makes the Typoon look like Miss Universe in comparison. There are uglier, more "kitbashy", vessels already in the game. What's one or two more going to hurt?
4. Just because the Republic and Klingon Empire could use a few more ships to choose from shouldn't exclude future additions for Federation players.
Epic Weapons are 3 mods, some rare ones like the Spiral Disruptors have four. Surely you could drop it down to 3. With an Elite Fleet version having 4? You realise your asking for 4 Dual Cannons with a 270 degree arc right?
According to the wiki Dual Cannons only have 192 base damage for 256 DPS. Only one ship can have more than four of em and it's Fed too.
These weapons just seem ridiculously over powered. It looks like you want broardside DPS that outdoes DHCs. I could see the ship coming with one or a console that allows a Beam to fire like that but not four all the time.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
depends, rumors have it scimitar has 5 fore weapons too.
Jupiter, however, that screams cannon broadsider to me. I want a Jupiter with port/starboard slots and the ability to mount DHCs. And two hangars, yes, daddy like.
I like the idea of the Jupiter sporting hangers. It always struck me as a "task force" oriented vessel. It would make perfect sense that it had fighter/runabout support.
I don't think it's ugly.
Sorry Tenkari, hit the wrong quote button.
Where do yall read this stuff? The podcasts? I mostly stick to text, but haven't been on the forums alot.
OT- This ship would be nice, though a turnable cruiser without ACS consoles would be nice too.
This is a frustrations of capitalism and property rights is that us Star Trek nerds are held to the corporation that owns the rights and they are held to their investors that want continual revenue. Hence given I believe the devs want to make the best game they could there is a business angle that governs the rate of releases.
I expect there are things completely done, but on hold for release till they reach the right part of their timeline. This ship may or may not be one of them.
I am just saying all these posts for new things might not be falling on deaf ears, but there is a schedule to maintain.
Kinda why a business shouldn't govern over a game. A game publisher and/or developer should govern over a game, like Atari.
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It was on a podcast that if those ships became playable they would be redesigned.
IP holders give the licenses, if they dont like how its being used, they can revoke it. to keep the license you want to keep them happy.
and atari is bad at governing games.
5 45 degree DC's on a Cruiser with a turn rate of 7 vs 4 270 degree DC's on a Cruiser with a turn rate of 6.
The idea of Heavy Single Cannons has quite a lot of merit, not just for the ship be for the game. I think it would be a great idea if they where introduced.
Maybe as a new faction reputation allows you to upgrade a Single Cannon into a Single Heavy Cannon. That benefits all Cannon Cruisers.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
If they were to bring them in, maybe as a full on, Starfleet spec, heavy carrier? Even if it were 90% as good as the Atrox, at least it's a saucer and nacelle configured ship...
*Ahem*
If you take a gander at your beam weapons while standing on a ground map...
My Engineer, who flies a Beam Cruiser, has all Dmgx2 and Accx2 Andorian Beams, because that's how I roll.
On a ground map, the Andorian Single Beams do a base of 240, while the DBB does a base of 312. I SHOULD have clarified that in my original post, and that was my mistake. I meant these weapons to fall between the Single and Double Beams in terms of this damage, hence 280.
Not sure where your maths is, your possibly including the DMG mods (+5 DPV), or the Andorian stuff is that much better.
A Beam Array does 220 DPV & 176 DPS Mk XII Base Damage.
A Dual Beam Bank does 287 DPV & 229 DPS Mk XII Base Damage.
Compared to Cannons
A Turret does 99 DPV & 132 DPS Mk XII Base Damage.
A Single Cannon does 159 DPV & 212 DPS Mk XII Base Damage.
A Dual Cannon does 192 DPV & 256 DPS Mk XII Base Damage.
A Dual Heavy Cannon does 384 DPV & 256 DPS Mk XII Base Damage.
Looking at all the numbers together Your Beams should be
~253 DPV & ~204 DPS Mk XII Base Damage
Your basically asking for a beam version of the Single Cannons with an Arc mod. which means at best your getting 2 mod on them.
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Your obviously Missing the part where the DPV goes up but the DPS stays the same.
Heavy Beam Arrays would do the same damage as a Normal Beam Arrays but would do it in one shot with a longer cooldown.
And that is not what your asking for. Or perhaps not what your explaining.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
They're supposed to be unique weapons specific to that ship.
Kumari Wing Cannons have more DPV and more DPS then Fleet-level DHCs, and they're unique to the Kumari.
The Heavy Beam Arrays. Heck, call them Battleship-class or Typhoon-class Beam Arrays are supposed to be like the Kumari Wing Cannons. More DPV AND more DPS then standard beams while being Unique TO THAT SPECIFIC SHIP.
Just because people that are "OMG DO NOT WANT" about the Typhoon and Battleships in this game try to poke holes in my ideas doesn't mean that the ideas themselves are not good ones.
I will defend this until the end of time if I have to.
100% agree, this thing is just fugly, I know the odyssey is not the most popular ship, but I like its looks, it DOES look like an enterprise.
so all in all +1