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spork87
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Something has to be done, we had a moron in our STF that waited for everyone to get lined up then he would get right under donatra and hit his repulsors for the lolz, it turned it from a 5 minute fight tops to a 40 minute snooze fest that is still going on, I am simply refusing to participate anymore in this fight. Something has to be done about this blatant abuse of abilities, seriously either remove them or make it so players can't use them in certain group content like STF's it sucks that this is an issue because they have there uses, but they are abused way to much, and it punishes the entire community.
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1. In Donatra's stf the repulsors are excellent for those of us who guard the gates/time portal, we can keep the probes back in an emergency, there have been several times where I would have let a probe through the portal if I hadn't had repulsors, I have yet to let a single probe through btw.
2. You are trying to punish the entire community by demanding, no you are not asking this is demanding, that an ability YOU have a problem with be removed or altered from the game.
3. Also by refusing to try and finish the stf you are just coming of as a child who quits playing because he doesn't get his way. Leave the stf don't just sit back complaining.
I normally don't respond to these dumb posts but I have seen so many lately that I am burning and I just had to this time.
Edit: Edited for sensitivity and so I don't have the mods chewing on my soul.
I dont mind on the probes but the actual dontra fight itself at the end was 40 minutes, and no this isn't the first time, this is just the last straw, this ability is abused way to much by way to many people who think its funny to ruin everyone elses fun. I see this in 1 out of every 3 STF's im in and the others its always someone who doesnt know how to use them that pushes stuff towards where it isnt supposed to go, lost an infected bonus because a moron pushed the nanite spheres to the generator.
This means either around 10-20% of the playerbase is stupid, they are trolls or both.
it is not funny when 4 tacs all go in to do there alpha strike and one guy repulses the enermy totally out of there firing arc TRIBBLE up the fight, then flying to within 4km just to make her cloak on purpose, that is not funny, that is not fun, that is a blatant abuse of game mechanics
Repulsors are a first line response to heavy torpedoes , mines , tortured souls and other "tiny spam" that is too small to easily see and target
They can also break an enemy tractor beam hold
Spread out spawn campers
Break the Tholian cage
shift zeroed ships away from you before they explode
hold / delay probes and move turrets out of position
They are a canon part of the Game.
As to "lining up" to hit donatra
Don't
you can get group vaped if you do that
Wolf pack
I'm not sure what cryptic could do about it though. Removing the small damage portion might at least stop some of the spammers, but that won't stop the trolls.
You forgot the most common usages
Push bosses out of Gravity Wells an Warp Plasmas
Push enemies out of range and make you waste half of your buffs
Spread out enemy groups so that Scattery Volleys and Torpedo Spreads are almost pointless
Push exploding ships into your face
Either most of the users are exceedingly stupid or they just love to troll.
No one is a Troll
we do not call people Trolls
some people are a tiny bit "mirror universe" and don't care if you live or die
its also possible you are code 5 (do not assist) for some reason (being in one of three well known "goon" fleets being called "wesley" "janeway" or "kirk") and are being deliberately allowed to die for it
but thats unlikely
NOM NOM SOULS!
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This alone tells me that you had a very weak team (in terms of firepower) + possibly with team members that had multiple unhealed injuries .
In short 40 minutes is just insain and can in no way be blamed on the misuse of a single ability .
Those are some conservative numbers ... . :P
Since they have reworked how Donatra fights (last week) , I'm not sure that the 5km rule applies anymore as she now cloaks a lot more frequently regardless of what you do .
While repulsors can indeed be useful for zone denial it is just a pain if people push things out of your firing arc.
I'm sure the player had good intentions but the use of TBR was completely unnecesssary in this situation.
I don't disagree my team was weak, I stopped DPSing when she was at 4% to make this post, came back to the fight and she was 13% with full shields. But it would have at least been better had he not abused this mechanic
It's a shame all the NPC ships in STO move like molasses in winter. The playerbase is completely unprepared for handling moving targets in PvE.
Because enemies in PvP tend to move backwards or sideways at 100+ impulse speed?
I'd suggest that the devs fix it in this manner.
Make it so that the points post 99 in graviton emitters affect how far objects can be pushed.
You see that would eliminate the extreme pushback we're seeing and allow these be used like some of us use them.
Here's how it works, sci captains (or any other) that use these stack particle generator consoles. These wouldn't affect the pushback but would increase the kinetic damage. If the pushback was nerfed at level 99 to barely push things away say 500 instead of 1k/sec then they'd keep their damage potential (actually it would improve the damage potential because it wouldn't push enemies too far) and it would still allow for that short interrupt we get when using it.
I propose the devs fix this power by increasing the damage potential and lowering the pushback according to how people stack consoles on their ships post 99 score in graviton emitters.
Oh and regarding the leetist comments on how weak his team was, you do realize there's something wrong with the normal version of Donatra right now right? That she's behaving in a normal instance like she should in an elite instance which causes people to have an enormously long fight with her? There's multiple threads on the subject.
There is nothing more anoying than knowing that you, as a well-specced tac, can take 5-10% of a enemy boss, you wait 4 mins for the cooldowns to complete, Line up the enemy, pop all the skills and then... Repulsed out of range by a intrepid...
But when I think of it, it happens one out of a hundred times...
worse elite kitomer, and lets see how my team behaved, she'd unloak and everyone would be in front of her and fly in a straight line at her and blow up. besides repulsor guy the others for one reason or another all 4 of them couldnt lower a single shield facing, they always targeted the probes even when she wasn't cloaked. I managed to take down her sheilds 12 times only to have her pushed away from me 12 times.
That should clear out most of the abusers as they are impatient.
I don't often use the skill, as it's a tad too situational for me, but there's little enough sci direct damage powers as it is.
Besides, if you use the skill at little aux power it still does all of its damage, without the pushback, I think. Interesting little tidbit.
You get a clear shot at a target, power up all your powers and go to fire and Mr Noobstick lets off a repulsive. Grrrrrrr. Especially annoying in Infected Elite when you need to bunch up all the spheres so the team can blast them with mass attack powers. The only power useful is Gravity well. Or a power which slows them not pushes them away. With Donatra she needs to be zapped with a Gravity well so the team can pound her with tons of fire before she cloaks.
Repulsors have no place, repeat NO PLACE DAMMIT! In STF.
Watching people use repulsors reminds me of that You Tube clip where some idiot gives a Chimpanzee a loaded AK47. Carnage.
Repulsors cooldown should be trebled.
Anyone who uses a repulsor shouls have the word Noob appear above their ship.
And a all engine power is drained dry for a min. Leaving them open to attack.
repulsors also increases aggro towards the using player 1000%
Someone who is just using it to make people mad would not.
There are plenty of powers with long CDs in this game, TBR should join that list.
Mages still have plenty of other "spells" to use.
Because there you are close engaged (nearly hull to hull) and some complete riker in an escort comes in and zeroes you (blows up the enemy vessel and you with it )
Crowd control mechanics should slow and cluster enemies, not spread them out and push them faster than you can fly. Seeing a science ship pop evasive maneuvers and push an enemy group 20km out is just plain stupid.
Go for it I don't use em.
You must be one of the TBR trolls, as evidenced by your poorly-thought-out thought which doesn't correlate in gameplay. If you're not using DHCs, it is in your best interest to stay a few km away from your target at all times, not only to have room to maneuver, but also to dampen their weapons somewhat. Hull-hugging without cannons provides a net LOSS in combat because it becomes more difficult to rotate shield facings, keep weapon arcs, and is especially bad for science captains who need the deflector facing.
Hear hear. I use my Ambassador, Jem Dread Carrier/ Exselsior retro. I have all single beams and wide quantum torps. With The Ambassador i can GWell spheres then follow up with a plasma gas run. Torp spread, Fire at Will. Nice bit of support for my escort cannon buddies. cant do that when spheres are blasted all over the map by repulsor lunatics.
so you are one of the Rikers who zeroes people
Mines are dropped most effectively point blank
likewise plasma
there is no excuse for an escort to engage a ship already under attack
OK we'll let you handle the Tac cube all by yourself then. We'll sit back refine our dill as you get butchered 20 times.
... so escorts are supposed to sit and watch the whole time? :rolleyes:
You've got issues, mate. I think you need to spend some time learning what it means to cooperate and play as a team. Just because you're shooting a ship doesn't automatically mean it is solely your domain and target. You should be grateful someone else (escort, cruiser, science ship; doesn't matter) came over to give you a hand, even if you feel you don't need it. Concentrated fire shortens the combat, allowing you more time to move to the next encounter or wait for cooldowns.
As a side note, if you're flying too close to an enemy ship, and with such low hull strength that its warp core breach kills you, then you may want to re-evaluate your tactics.
1) Some people use a power incorrectly and to the detriment of the run (and yes I have seen it myself, although usually through pure idiocy rather than trolling) and it should be disabled for certain content or removed from the game?
Seriously?
Here's a thought - don't blind PuG STFs. If you don't have mates or a fleet that haven't all burned out on the grind, use an STF chat channel. At least that way you can keep tab on who's either a troll, or too stupid to know when it is and isn't a good time to use TBR, and avoid grouping with them.
This is supposed to be an MMO isn't it? You know, where like minded people band together to play the game?
Yes, they could change it so Donatra specifically isn't pushable, but that still won't stop people from trolling. If someone's enough of a troll that they're prepared to push Donatra around for half an hour, then they'll do (or at least try to do) the same to a cluster of Nanite Spheres.
2) (For clarity, this point is about people just not having the intelligence to use TBR correctly, cos that does happen quite a bit too, rather than people trolling).
The fact that a situational ability like TBR sees sufficient use in STFs for people using it wrong to be worthy of discussion at all says a lot about how worthless other high-end Sci BOff powers are, imo. I run one on my Sci and I use it at most twice per STF. That should be a total waste of a slot, but it isn't because nearly anything else I'd put there (I already run two GWs) would be used even less. If the Devs are to change anything off the back of this, it should be to make other Sci powers more useful, especially in STFs where nearly anything other than pure ability to inflict damage is irrelevant.
Maybe, just maybe, if there was an effective option for your Lt. Commander & Commander Sci abilities other than Grav Well or TBR, players who haven't got a clue how to use TBR properly might be less likely to run it.