maybe he literally meant events; i believe crystalline catastrophe is classed as such, and they are bringing it back
Certainly a possibility, but I'm taking the approach of making zero assumptions about what's in LoR. As far as I'm concerned, unless something is explicitly spelled out, we just don't know.
You guys are crazy. Even the most dim of Pakleds knows that the Feds are what makes this ship GO. The feds don't just deserve stuff with LoR. They practically require it.
this is not a "Season" Update... but an Expansion... a Romulan Expansion.
so it is absolutely fine that the FEDs only get a new UI, a new Rep System and maybe also some Endgame mission content (which has not been confirmed yet, there is plenty of Tholian stuff already, there is no requirement to add any more Tholian stuff to collect Rep Marks).
And for once in the life of this game the Fed Players know how the KDF playerbase feels...
almost EVERY Season! (just not Season 2... that one had a bit of real KDF Stuff)
so... if 20% of the playerbase whine about no exclusive stuff 80% of the time...
is that the equivalent to 80% of the playerbase whining 20% of the time?
That's exactly what the KDF went through for the first 3 years of the game.
And look how that turned out! We'd lose too many customers to keep this freebie amusement park ride going. No, no, that's not the answer. We can't abandon fed supremacy! It's all that keeps the servers on at night!
To not give the fedball more toys in what amounts to the biggest patch of 2013 ... would be ... a SLAP IN THE FACE!
I personally wouldn't have a problem with fed not getting anything exclusive this time around. I have 4 Capped Feds, 5 Capped KDF and a Fed and KDF each being leveled still as well. In the last year the Feds have received the Vesta x3, Armitage, Kumari x4, Atrox, Excelsior Retrofit, Steath Stalker and Yellowstone Runabout for exclusives that didn't co-inside with an KDF releases. Then there are the 6 Fed Mirror Variants versus the 3 KFD Mirror variants
KDF Got the Bortaque x3 for the Fed's Odyssey x3
KDF got the Kamarag for the Fed's Ambassador
KDF got the Peghqu' for the Fed's Chimera
Appart from that pretty much everything else has been non exclusive the rest of the year. So as far as I see it if this expansion is mostly KDF and Romulan focused so be it. More content will still be available for the feds just not in the exclusivity that I am seeing whining for here. I am looking forward to the Romulan faction as it will just enrich the game content as a whole. There are still bugs that I often run into KDF side a year later that they haven't addressed yet. But if it was a Fed side bug it would have been fixed by now. (2 of them are Starbase Officer of the watch missions that bug on me every time but the Fed version of the one was fixed shortly after)
LOL Fed complaining about not getting enough content with the next update.
How about stop being so self centered and realize mmo needs multiple factions to be viable. KDF is getting some long deserved attention and Romulan fans have waited 3 years for this. Can't we just have at least this one update without Fed complaining?
This is good for the FEDs as much as for the KDF and eventual Romulan players as it will bring in a lot more players and more money for STO, so more content for everyone eventually. If FED was the only faction permanently with KDF withering and dying off from lack of attention and no Romulans were made this game would stagnate and die.
If it takes Cryptic 1 unit of their internal resources (staff, time, bandwidth, money, etc) to create and release a ship; then for every 1 units worth of content they release to benefit X number of players on the KDF, then they should be releasing 4 units of content to benefit 4X number of players on the Fed side.
That's only speaking from BOTH fairness AND business sense.
I think the KDF has been a little spoiled.
ME! ME! ME! GIVE ME MOARZ NOW!
Wow I've never seen a more self-centered, shortsighted and selfish poster ever then this guy. I think your numbers are off anyway, there are more KDF players then that, and would be even closer to FED numbers if they were given just a little more then the fraction of attention the feds get. These factions and content are needed for STO and your precious Federation to still be around for you to play, think about that before wanting them ignored and Fed only content.
I think the OP is really really really spoiled and cryptic should ignore people like him as they already have his money from LTS and game would be much better off without this kind of people.
Feds are getting new FE to play and new potential allies. Everyone is getting something.
However, I have no problem with Fed side getting very little in this update if it turns out that way. Although some tend to whine and act entitled, the KDF side has a valid point in the 'lack of love' department. Giving KDF the majority of the new content this time around can not hurt the game one bit. I also believe you can rest assured the Feds will get some stuff too, so just relax and wait for the update.
ROMULANS!
agree 100% kdf needs some love and rommies prob will need it too since they will be the new guys
LOL Fed complaining about not getting enough content with the next update.
How about stop being so self centered and realize mmo needs multiple factions to be viable. KDF is getting some long deserved attention and Romulan fans have waited 3 years for this. Can't we just have at least this one update without Fed complaining?
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It's an MMO. People consume content. This is the age old problem the devs from many past MMOs have faced.
I think your numbers are off anyway, there are more KDF players then that, and would be even closer to FED numbers if they were given just a little more then the fraction of attention the feds get.
The numbers come from Cryptic. DStahl assures us that the numbers and data are accurate.
These factions and content are needed for STO and your precious Federation to still be around for you to play, think about that before wanting them ignored and Fed only content.
According to Cryptic, not really. The cash store stuff from the KDF loses them money. The only reason the KDF exists right now is because of how big a fan of the KDF guys like Emmert and Stahl are. It's their vanity project that keeps the bloodwine flowing. This game could have gone one faction according to their metrics.
LOL Fed complaining about not getting enough content with the next update.
How about stop being so self centered and realize mmo needs multiple factions to be viable. KDF is getting some long deserved attention and Romulan fans have waited 3 years for this. Can't we just have at least this one update without Fed complaining?
nope, might have a better chance for the lottery
You are more likely to die on the way to get a lottery ticket, than actually winning FYI.
Is it just me, or does it seem like the core of this game, The Federation, is kind of being ignored with the new update? Sure, we don't know much yet, and this could all be ado about nothing; but where's the love for 80% of their player base?
I'm really not all that excited to dive into the Romulan faction, much like I've never been all that excited to dive into the Klingon faction. Don't get me wrong, I'll dabble to experience the storyline; but I'm almost certain that once I reach level 50, I'll be right back to my endgame Fed character.
I'd hate to see a major update go by without any significant improvement to the heart of the game.
Sometimes I really wonder if we are all playing the same game. Aren't there going to be new episodes for everyone in s8, new adventure zones and such. Plus you can obviously have a romulan-fed now, whatever that means. Seems like they'll be plenty of stuff for fed. You might even get to fly a warbird (who knows?)
This is so typical of some people, the new expansion is changing a lot of things, adding some great new concepts and new systems, plus a new faction for everyone and what happens...
Some Fed players just have to whine as they are not the main focus of the expansion. 3 years of being the main focus and still not happy - you're like spoilt, arrogant children.
I wish Cryptic had the resources to start up another server just for these people, a pure Fed only server - see how much fun the game is on their own, with private forums to match it.
It amazes me, that people interested in Star Trek, something that promotes EQUALITY, DIVERSITY and FAIRNESS for all, can just come on to STO and be so self centered about it all. All of Gene Roddenberry's moral lessons ignored in one foul thread - great work guys and girls
The Feds will get something to do, they always will as the main playerbase, but even if they dont, i dont think fed players can complain too much. they have always had something for 3 years. giving other factions a chance is not exactly unfair.
Although every player has the ability to role a Romulan, or even check out a klingon if they have not done something.
We are all players. some just choose to play one faction other the others. If some fed players dont want to try other factions then that is their loss. there is content for everybody in this update. its up to you how much you choose to experience.
If it takes Cryptic 1 unit of their internal resources (staff, time, bandwidth, money, etc) to create and release a ship; then for every 1 units worth of content they release to benefit X number of players on the KDF, then they should be releasing 4 units of content to benefit 4X number of players on the Fed side.
That's only speaking from BOTH fairness AND business sense.
I think the KDF has been a little spoiled.
Interesting "business sense"...
And, in a way, I'll admit that if you want "status quo", then you're being "quite logical"...
However
It has been a long stated goal that there is a desire for a PvP-centric "war" between the Feds and KDF. In order to have said "war", then the playerbase needs to be 50/50 in order to prevent "Blue Plague" situations. To get to said 50/50, the inverse needs to happen, for every piece of Fed content 4x new KDF pieces need to be built until such time as the "neutral" playerbase who doesn't necessarily care for their faction gravitates to the desired 50/50 split. If this requires more KDF toys than Fed toys to ensure/entice the "neutrals" to KDF, then so be it.
Look at it right now, we know that there's a ~18%-20% "hardcore" KDF base that will play KDF no matter how little content they have. Calculating that a minimum of 20% of the playerbase are equally hardcore Federation (snickers allowed, but going for sake of argument here, it's probably closer to 40% Hardcore Feds), we should be running a 6 KDF per Fed content rate until such time that the necessary 30% from the "neutral" Feds shift to permanent KDF in order to balance the sides for PvP...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
If it takes Cryptic 1 unit of their internal resources (staff, time, bandwidth, money, etc) to create and release a ship; then for every 1 units worth of content they release to benefit X number of players on the KDF, then they should be releasing 4 units of content to benefit 4X number of players on the Fed side.
That's only speaking from BOTH fairness AND business sense.
I think the KDF has been a little spoiled.
That 's really not accurate even in a Utopian world.
If you have 10 KDF players and all 10 buy the KDF ship vs. 100 Feds and only 10 buy the ship?
Should the Feds still get more ships just because there are 100 Feds???
Please tell me you're not serious.
And by the way - have you considered free-to-play vs. subscription/ lifetime in your grand plan? Which would have the greater average of paying customers in the above model.... Fed or KDF. (Law of probability dicatates the KDF will)
If you have 10 KDF players and all 10 buy the KDF ship vs. 100 Feds and only 10 buy the ship?
Should the Feds still get more ships just because there are 100 Feds???
Please tell me you're not serious.
Going by what details Cryptic has released, that's not how it's happening. They say they lose money on KDF C-Store items. And they say that they have made a lot of money on Fed C-Store items. They did admit to poor sales for the Reagent. But things like the NX and the Oberth and the Akira carrier and the super Defiant, and my god the Excelsior, made a killing for them. The Kumari seems to be raking in the zen.
They don't seem to have any success stories from the KDF side though.
So I'd leave the round number hypotheticals alone and just focus on what the company is actually saying. The KDF, they say, doesn't get a lot of C-Store items because they lose money on them. That's bad, from their point of view.
And probably one of the primary reasons the Romulan faction is being implemented not as a separate faction, but one players get to CHOOSE a side for. So that the 80% of the norm can maintain while enjoying something new.
They don't seem to have any success stories from the KDF side though.
That's because the B'rel with advanced battle cloak is about all the klingons need to survive.
The problem is that Cryptic made one of the earliest releases too good. Everything that followed paled in comparison.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
If it takes Cryptic 1 unit of their internal resources (staff, time, bandwidth, money, etc) to create and release a ship; then for every 1 units worth of content they release to benefit X number of players on the KDF, then they should be releasing 4 units of content to benefit 4X number of players on the Fed side.
That's only speaking from BOTH fairness AND business sense.
I think the KDF has been a little spoiled.
This is the silliest thing I have ever seen put in a forum, and Ive seen some seriuoslly silly stuff in here over the past years.
Going by what details Cryptic has released, that's not how it's happening. They say they lose money on KDF C-Store items. And they say that they have made a lot of money on Fed C-Store items. They did admit to poor sales for the Reagent. But things like the NX and the Oberth and the Akira carrier and the super Defiant, and my god the Excelsior, made a killing for them. The Kumari seems to be raking in the zen.
They don't seem to have any success stories from the KDF side though.
So I'd leave the round number hypotheticals alone and just focus on what the company is actually saying. The KDF, they say, doesn't get a lot of C-Store items because they lose money on them. That's bad, from their point of view.
And probably one of the primary reasons the Romulan faction is being implemented not as a separate faction, but one players get to CHOOSE a side for. So that the 80% of the norm can maintain while enjoying something new.
2 years down the line and the KDF players are still being held hostage to metrics never released by Cryptic save for the word of devs that in multiple public forums have displayed their personal preferences for Starfleet, and sometimes animosity towards the KDF.
It's also very difficult to refute that argument when during that period there is no C-Store ships available to KDF players worth the purchase. "KDF sales just don't justify the investment." News flash - there are none.
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Certainly a possibility, but I'm taking the approach of making zero assumptions about what's in LoR. As far as I'm concerned, unless something is explicitly spelled out, we just don't know.
Cryptic nerfed the KCB (Kinetic Cutting Beam)? Slap in the FACE.
Ne faction that isn't Federation? Slap in the FACE.
And so on...
"Second star on the right, and straight on till morning."
U.S.S. Weatherlight
so it is absolutely fine that the FEDs only get a new UI, a new Rep System and maybe also some Endgame mission content (which has not been confirmed yet, there is plenty of Tholian stuff already, there is no requirement to add any more Tholian stuff to collect Rep Marks).
And for once in the life of this game the Fed Players know how the KDF playerbase feels...
almost EVERY Season! (just not Season 2... that one had a bit of real KDF Stuff)
so... if 20% of the playerbase whine about no exclusive stuff 80% of the time...
is that the equivalent to 80% of the playerbase whining 20% of the time?
hmm...
"...just look at my track record for making the improvements that I said we would with the KDF and judge by that." - Dan Stahl
And look how that turned out! We'd lose too many customers to keep this freebie amusement park ride going. No, no, that's not the answer. We can't abandon fed supremacy! It's all that keeps the servers on at night!
To not give the fedball more toys in what amounts to the biggest patch of 2013 ... would be ... a SLAP IN THE FACE!
KDF Got the Bortaque x3 for the Fed's Odyssey x3
KDF got the Kamarag for the Fed's Ambassador
KDF got the Peghqu' for the Fed's Chimera
Appart from that pretty much everything else has been non exclusive the rest of the year. So as far as I see it if this expansion is mostly KDF and Romulan focused so be it. More content will still be available for the feds just not in the exclusivity that I am seeing whining for here. I am looking forward to the Romulan faction as it will just enrich the game content as a whole. There are still bugs that I often run into KDF side a year later that they haven't addressed yet. But if it was a Fed side bug it would have been fixed by now. (2 of them are Starbase Officer of the watch missions that bug on me every time but the Fed version of the one was fixed shortly after)
BWAHAHAHA!
This has made the read of this thread worth it. Although the rest appears to be a bad april's fool's joke.
How about stop being so self centered and realize mmo needs multiple factions to be viable. KDF is getting some long deserved attention and Romulan fans have waited 3 years for this. Can't we just have at least this one update without Fed complaining?
This is good for the FEDs as much as for the KDF and eventual Romulan players as it will bring in a lot more players and more money for STO, so more content for everyone eventually. If FED was the only faction permanently with KDF withering and dying off from lack of attention and no Romulans were made this game would stagnate and die.
ME! ME! ME! GIVE ME MOARZ NOW!
Wow I've never seen a more self-centered, shortsighted and selfish poster ever then this guy. I think your numbers are off anyway, there are more KDF players then that, and would be even closer to FED numbers if they were given just a little more then the fraction of attention the feds get. These factions and content are needed for STO and your precious Federation to still be around for you to play, think about that before wanting them ignored and Fed only content.
I think the OP is really really really spoiled and cryptic should ignore people like him as they already have his money from LTS and game would be much better off without this kind of people.
agree 100% kdf needs some love and rommies prob will need it too since they will be the new guys
The numbers come from Cryptic. DStahl assures us that the numbers and data are accurate.
According to Cryptic, not really. The cash store stuff from the KDF loses them money. The only reason the KDF exists right now is because of how big a fan of the KDF guys like Emmert and Stahl are. It's their vanity project that keeps the bloodwine flowing. This game could have gone one faction according to their metrics.
See, this poster gets it.
You are more likely to die on the way to get a lottery ticket, than actually winning FYI.
Sometimes I really wonder if we are all playing the same game. Aren't there going to be new episodes for everyone in s8, new adventure zones and such. Plus you can obviously have a romulan-fed now, whatever that means. Seems like they'll be plenty of stuff for fed. You might even get to fly a warbird (who knows?)
Some Fed players just have to whine as they are not the main focus of the expansion. 3 years of being the main focus and still not happy - you're like spoilt, arrogant children.
I wish Cryptic had the resources to start up another server just for these people, a pure Fed only server - see how much fun the game is on their own, with private forums to match it.
It amazes me, that people interested in Star Trek, something that promotes EQUALITY, DIVERSITY and FAIRNESS for all, can just come on to STO and be so self centered about it all. All of Gene Roddenberry's moral lessons ignored in one foul thread - great work guys and girls
Although every player has the ability to role a Romulan, or even check out a klingon if they have not done something.
We are all players. some just choose to play one faction other the others. If some fed players dont want to try other factions then that is their loss. there is content for everybody in this update. its up to you how much you choose to experience.
Interesting "business sense"...
And, in a way, I'll admit that if you want "status quo", then you're being "quite logical"...
However
It has been a long stated goal that there is a desire for a PvP-centric "war" between the Feds and KDF. In order to have said "war", then the playerbase needs to be 50/50 in order to prevent "Blue Plague" situations. To get to said 50/50, the inverse needs to happen, for every piece of Fed content 4x new KDF pieces need to be built until such time as the "neutral" playerbase who doesn't necessarily care for their faction gravitates to the desired 50/50 split. If this requires more KDF toys than Fed toys to ensure/entice the "neutrals" to KDF, then so be it.
Look at it right now, we know that there's a ~18%-20% "hardcore" KDF base that will play KDF no matter how little content they have. Calculating that a minimum of 20% of the playerbase are equally hardcore Federation (snickers allowed, but going for sake of argument here, it's probably closer to 40% Hardcore Feds), we should be running a 6 KDF per Fed content rate until such time that the necessary 30% from the "neutral" Feds shift to permanent KDF in order to balance the sides for PvP...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
That 's really not accurate even in a Utopian world.
If you have 10 KDF players and all 10 buy the KDF ship vs. 100 Feds and only 10 buy the ship?
Should the Feds still get more ships just because there are 100 Feds???
Please tell me you're not serious.
And by the way - have you considered free-to-play vs. subscription/ lifetime in your grand plan? Which would have the greater average of paying customers in the above model.... Fed or KDF. (Law of probability dicatates the KDF will)
Going by what details Cryptic has released, that's not how it's happening. They say they lose money on KDF C-Store items. And they say that they have made a lot of money on Fed C-Store items. They did admit to poor sales for the Reagent. But things like the NX and the Oberth and the Akira carrier and the super Defiant, and my god the Excelsior, made a killing for them. The Kumari seems to be raking in the zen.
They don't seem to have any success stories from the KDF side though.
So I'd leave the round number hypotheticals alone and just focus on what the company is actually saying. The KDF, they say, doesn't get a lot of C-Store items because they lose money on them. That's bad, from their point of view.
And probably one of the primary reasons the Romulan faction is being implemented not as a separate faction, but one players get to CHOOSE a side for. So that the 80% of the norm can maintain while enjoying something new.
That's because the B'rel with advanced battle cloak is about all the klingons need to survive.
The problem is that Cryptic made one of the earliest releases too good. Everything that followed paled in comparison.
This is the silliest thing I have ever seen put in a forum, and Ive seen some seriuoslly silly stuff in here over the past years.
R.I.P
There's some pro trolling going on in here... It has to be that, no one is THIS stupid...
I think we will get the Sword that glows when Orcs are close!
2 years down the line and the KDF players are still being held hostage to metrics never released by Cryptic save for the word of devs that in multiple public forums have displayed their personal preferences for Starfleet, and sometimes animosity towards the KDF.
It's also very difficult to refute that argument when during that period there is no C-Store ships available to KDF players worth the purchase. "KDF sales just don't justify the investment." News flash - there are none.