Hate to break this to you, but Gene Roddenberry isn't God.
I will let history be the judge. If L. Ron Hubbard can become some kind of messiah/God-like figure, so can Gene Roddenberry, in time. I hear the Humanists still haven't chosen a God.
And statistically speaking flying airplanes is safer than driving cars, the problem is if an airplane gets in an accident there isn't much left for the rescue team.
KDF numbers are skewed by the fact that it's shortcomings are self re-enforcing, people don't play because of the problems which aren't getting fixed because people aren't playing, catch 22. If the faction had started on an equal footing with the Federation from the start the numbers would look a lot different. Things hopefully are finally being addressed which should put the faction in a better position to prove itself, but time will tell.
The self-fulfilling prophecy. Cryptic makes TRIBBLE ships (or nothing at all) for the KDF, than says that no one plays KDF. If you build it they will come.
I will let history be the judge. If L. Ron Hubbard can become some kind of messiah/God-like figure, so can Gene Roddenberry, in time. I hear the Humanists still haven't chosen a God.
Well, in all fairness L. Ron Hubbard founded the "church" of scientology. Being alive to fuel such things makes a difference. Gene (to his credti) never founded a church; he was like any other person involved with putting shows on telivision, just trying to pay the bills.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
I will let history be the judge. If L. Ron Hubbard can become some kind of messiah/God-like figure, so can Gene Roddenberry, in time. I hear the Humanists still haven't chosen a God.
I feel the Federation faction could use some time on a diet. They've been getting a steady stream of new, shiny vessels, and other content aimed at them. Even the 'universal' content is generally made from a Federation viewpoint (Road to 2409 and New Romulus content, anybody?).
Part of the reason the KDF is smaller is because of the second-class status of the faction in terms of development resources. I refuse to accept a catch-22 scenario of where the KDF is shafted right out the gate, and then is continued to be shafted because of the results of the previous shafting.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
I would like to know this as well. While Romulans and KDF need it more, the Feds deserve mission content as well.
Yeah, the last 3 years as the favored faction of Cryptic wasn't enough. Gotta keep their privileged position at the top of the pile, above the stinky 'klinks' and scheming Romulans.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
How can it be trolling when the numbers are on my side?
Per-capita, the KDF has way more content than the Federation.
You have got to be kidding. Please tell me you are not serious.
The Federation has 40+ of story missions that are unique to them. 40 some odd missions that can only be played as a federation member.
Barring anything coming from LoR, The KDF has a mind numbing total of 9 I believe.
I understand Federation players want something new to do, but not everything is about you. There are other factions in Star Trek, and fans of those faction want to play as them, Not as a Klingon/Romulan/Cardassian/Jem'hadar in the Federation.
But if you want to know what the Federation gets, You get a new UI. That can be changed from at least 3 different color schemes assuming you want to ignore the "Evil" sides choices. You get a totally new trait system revamped for better costumization. You get a new Tholian Taskforce reputation system. No doubt with the few new adventure zones and events to earn marks for that rep. Though, that last one is more speculation then fact.
I understand the OP's frustration. The Fed haven't had a new Fed-only mission since Gamma O opened up. They've spent the last 2.5 years playing the same missions over and over. All the shiny new C-Store trinkets in the world doesn't make playing the same mission the 100th time any more enjoyable - whether it's a leveling mission or an end-game mission.
We'd all like new things to do, but that isn't in the cards. Still, I think any Fed or KDF player can team up with a Romulan player and do completely new Missions. So just get yourself a level 10 blue or red guy and team up with a level 10 green guy and play some new missions and have fun!
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I can't really agree with the whole 'biggest player group' argument, because no-one really has a choice. Every new player HAS to begin as a Fed at least until the KDF is unlocked. Then you need to factor in causal players who just tried out the game but didn't stick around, alt toons, inactive toons etc. Thankfully this will change once the expansion is here and players can choose their faction from the get go.
Also Cryptic need to cater to the entire player base, not just the biggest group, in order to be successful. They can't rely on sucking the Fed faction dry because sooner or later that pool will run out. With this expansion comes 2 new potential sources of revenue.
The KDF has needed looking at for a long time, and a playable Romulan faction has been requested since forever as far as I know. Maybe just for once the Federation can take a back seat eh?
How you handle a romulan character will probably be the same as you would handle any other alt. I have a couple of kdf characters just so I can play the new missions and content over there but I don't feel the need to spend any time over there since it is the same end game as the fed. I have many fed toons but I usually only play a couple of them since they are built up and have the gear and I don't want to regrind for all the other fed toons I have.
At the end of the day If I cant bother regrinding for my fed toon why would I on the kdf side (I don't) which mean I probably wont for my romulan. I Know I will make a couple to level them up to try them out and play all the story missions.
What we need is to have a unique end game for each faction so if we do grind it will be for something different.
I'm okay with the Federation getting less this time around. It's been a long time coming.
I'm sure our friends in the Federation will understand it's okay to share the love. They had 7 seasons where they got more stuff than KDF, I think they can deal with the expansion focusing on Romulans given the name is Legacy of Romulus.
To be honest the FEDs are only a majority because of how the game was designed, you can't even start a Klingon until you've your FED toon high enough and by then many players are too invested in that character to want to start a Klingon. As I said before if the Klingons started off on an equal footing to the Federation in the game from the start the numbers would be very different, desire for the exotic or to play the bad boy would very well have left the Federation the sad minority today.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
It's canon for the Federation to bite the bullet for the benefit of peace....but I'm pretty sure Cryptic did not leave the Federation out of LOR they are just not the focus of what the update is about.
Gene Roddenberry presided over the creation of two Star Trek series, and 6 Star Trek Movies, EVERY ONE of which was centered around a Federation Crew.
Where were the complaints for "MOAR KDF!"?
Evidently, he was even more Fed-centric than Cryptic.
Um, Gene presided over the ST:TMP feature film (Paramount didn't want him directly involved after that although they paid his a good chunk of money so they could display his name on the screen - as they didn't want to break the illusion for the fans who didn't follow production situations); and only was really involved in the first two Seasons of TOS (he kept ownership of the IP through the third season ot TOS - handed the reigns to Fred Frieberger - and then SOLD the Star Trek IP lock stock and barrel to Paramount at the end of production of TOS' third season.)
Likewise he only really oversaw the first two seasons of TNG as by the third season his kealth was at the point he really couldn't handle the day to day stuff - so he handed that off to Rick Berman.
So, whn you look at the totality of GR's involvement in Star Trek - aside from coming up with the initial pitch (which was further fleshed out by people like Gene L. Coon <-- who IMO NEVER really got the credit he deserved as he was the one who made a lot of GR's initial concepts work better on screen and from an organizational perspective); GR wasn't really involed in the majority of Star Trek television and feature film material produced - althoughb to his dying day, he lied to take credit for all of it.
Just saying... Honestly, he wasn't all that 'Star trek' centric in the long run.
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Time will show as the date gets near. I see new missions with the Feds with the new content. And who knows what all else. Feds will get some Romulans on their side, so that opens up new stuff. They also mentioned more new Rep missions. So I see more missions to go with them. So you can gain rep there as well. The new UI looks great.
To me it don't matter if the Feds don't get lot off this expansion. Since they got tons in the past. I play all my characters about equal depending on what I'm doing. Playing a Romulan will be great. Looking forward to it. And finally seeing the KDF getting to start from lv1. Will be great too. As I will do those missions on my KDF to see them. And to see what kind of new gear comes with.
There is plenty for all to enjoy and do on the new expansion. I see lots of new fun and joy out of the game coming. Only thing I see bad, is if it starts up and be bunch of bugs and issues to fix. Which usually happens with new expansions.
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Pssh, 'heart of the game' hah! More like Cryptic's Dabo table.
Although really, the Federation needs a tempered break from constant
content for awhile. To allow Cryptic to both work on and draw interest
to the other percentage. Which they seem to be slightly doing, kinda.
Is it just me, or does it seem like the core of this game, The Federation, is kind of being ignored with the new update? Sure, we don't know much yet, and this could all be ado about nothing; but where's the love for 80% of their player base?
I'm really not all that excited to dive into the Romulan faction, much like I've never been all that excited to dive into the Klingon faction. Don't get me wrong, I'll dabble to experience the storyline; but I'm almost certain that once I reach level 50, I'll be right back to my endgame Fed character.
I'd hate to see a major update go by without any significant improvement to the heart of the game.
Even if the Federation is getting nothing, I'd be completely fine with that. It's a full-blown (well, almost) Faction... that's good enough for me, on it's own.
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I'm sure our friends in the Federation will understand it's okay to share the love. They had 7 seasons where they got more stuff than KDF, I think they can deal with the expansion focusing on Romulans given the name is Legacy of Romulus.
Uh-huh. I mean, it's nice to do something else every once and a while.
I will let history be the judge. If L. Ron Hubbard can become some kind of messiah/God-like figure, so can Gene Roddenberry, in time. I hear the Humanists still haven't chosen a God.
Did you really just say this? Do you even know what L. Ron Hubbard caused. the guy was a greedy monster. His followers are horrible people with a facade of greatness.
I'm finding this true of all the Roddenberry-ites too. Fanatical devotion to a mediocre to sub-par hack, who was in it for the money.
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The Federation deserves it. Star Trek is kind of about the Federation afterall. People generally sign up to play as a Starfleet captain. Statistics back that up.
I'm just not crazy about this much effort being given to something that will be used by relatively few players. If they want to add options, that's fine, but that shouldn't mean that the core Federation majority in this game should "sit out" a few updates. Fed players are the bread and butter of this game, and as such, we should be the center of attention for the indefinite future.
Just my two cents, which will be used to buy zen, which will be spent on my FED character if Cryptic keeps the Fed content coming.
The Federation doesn't deserve squat! Federation has gotten about all of the faction specific content since before STO went free to play, you don't need a damn thing more.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
Yeah, the last 3 years as the favored faction of Cryptic wasn't enough. Gotta keep their privileged position at the top of the pile, above the stinky 'klinks' and scheming Romulans.
I know feds. get most the stuff but thats what Star Trek has always been about, not the klingon, romulans,remans,xindi, ext.
It's a game, not a career or a life choice, the new faction presents something new and entertaining to do and that's all I ever expect to get from a video game.
Yeah well being I spend something for a fed. I deserve fed. content, at least they could add something new to the first contact day, not the same boring, empty, mars utopia station with a NON-COMBAT pet...
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The self-fulfilling prophecy. Cryptic makes TRIBBLE ships (or nothing at all) for the KDF, than says that no one plays KDF. If you build it they will come.
Well, in all fairness L. Ron Hubbard founded the "church" of scientology. Being alive to fuel such things makes a difference. Gene (to his credti) never founded a church; he was like any other person involved with putting shows on telivision, just trying to pay the bills.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
What does God need with a Starship?
Part of the reason the KDF is smaller is because of the second-class status of the faction in terms of development resources. I refuse to accept a catch-22 scenario of where the KDF is shafted right out the gate, and then is continued to be shafted because of the results of the previous shafting.
You don't ask the almighty for his ID!
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
Yeah, the last 3 years as the favored faction of Cryptic wasn't enough. Gotta keep their privileged position at the top of the pile, above the stinky 'klinks' and scheming Romulans.
You have got to be kidding. Please tell me you are not serious.
The Federation has 40+ of story missions that are unique to them. 40 some odd missions that can only be played as a federation member.
Barring anything coming from LoR, The KDF has a mind numbing total of 9 I believe.
I understand Federation players want something new to do, but not everything is about you. There are other factions in Star Trek, and fans of those faction want to play as them, Not as a Klingon/Romulan/Cardassian/Jem'hadar in the Federation.
But if you want to know what the Federation gets, You get a new UI. That can be changed from at least 3 different color schemes assuming you want to ignore the "Evil" sides choices. You get a totally new trait system revamped for better costumization. You get a new Tholian Taskforce reputation system. No doubt with the few new adventure zones and events to earn marks for that rep. Though, that last one is more speculation then fact.
Gene was never on a starship, though; it was just a rocket.
We'd all like new things to do, but that isn't in the cards. Still, I think any Fed or KDF player can team up with a Romulan player and do completely new Missions. So just get yourself a level 10 blue or red guy and team up with a level 10 green guy and play some new missions and have fun!
I can't really agree with the whole 'biggest player group' argument, because no-one really has a choice. Every new player HAS to begin as a Fed at least until the KDF is unlocked. Then you need to factor in causal players who just tried out the game but didn't stick around, alt toons, inactive toons etc. Thankfully this will change once the expansion is here and players can choose their faction from the get go.
Also Cryptic need to cater to the entire player base, not just the biggest group, in order to be successful. They can't rely on sucking the Fed faction dry because sooner or later that pool will run out. With this expansion comes 2 new potential sources of revenue.
The KDF has needed looking at for a long time, and a playable Romulan faction has been requested since forever as far as I know. Maybe just for once the Federation can take a back seat eh?
At the end of the day If I cant bother regrinding for my fed toon why would I on the kdf side (I don't) which mean I probably wont for my romulan. I Know I will make a couple to level them up to try them out and play all the story missions.
What we need is to have a unique end game for each faction so if we do grind it will be for something different.
I'm sure our friends in the Federation will understand it's okay to share the love. They had 7 seasons where they got more stuff than KDF, I think they can deal with the expansion focusing on Romulans given the name is Legacy of Romulus.
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Fed Armada: Section 31 (level 730, 2700+ members)
KDF Armada: Klingon Intelligence (level 699, 2100+ members)
LOOL
Hahhahahahahahahahahhah :P
OP, please stop it you're killing me! :P
Um, Gene presided over the ST:TMP feature film (Paramount didn't want him directly involved after that although they paid his a good chunk of money so they could display his name on the screen - as they didn't want to break the illusion for the fans who didn't follow production situations); and only was really involved in the first two Seasons of TOS (he kept ownership of the IP through the third season ot TOS - handed the reigns to Fred Frieberger - and then SOLD the Star Trek IP lock stock and barrel to Paramount at the end of production of TOS' third season.)
Likewise he only really oversaw the first two seasons of TNG as by the third season his kealth was at the point he really couldn't handle the day to day stuff - so he handed that off to Rick Berman.
So, whn you look at the totality of GR's involvement in Star Trek - aside from coming up with the initial pitch (which was further fleshed out by people like Gene L. Coon <-- who IMO NEVER really got the credit he deserved as he was the one who made a lot of GR's initial concepts work better on screen and from an organizational perspective); GR wasn't really involed in the majority of Star Trek television and feature film material produced - althoughb to his dying day, he lied to take credit for all of it.
Just saying... Honestly, he wasn't all that 'Star trek' centric in the long run.
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To me it don't matter if the Feds don't get lot off this expansion. Since they got tons in the past. I play all my characters about equal depending on what I'm doing. Playing a Romulan will be great. Looking forward to it. And finally seeing the KDF getting to start from lv1. Will be great too. As I will do those missions on my KDF to see them. And to see what kind of new gear comes with.
There is plenty for all to enjoy and do on the new expansion. I see lots of new fun and joy out of the game coming. Only thing I see bad, is if it starts up and be bunch of bugs and issues to fix. Which usually happens with new expansions.
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Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Although really, the Federation needs a tempered break from constant
content for awhile. To allow Cryptic to both work on and draw interest
to the other percentage. Which they seem to be slightly doing, kinda.
Even if the Federation is getting nothing, I'd be completely fine with that. It's a full-blown (well, almost) Faction... that's good enough for me, on it's own.
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Are you kidding. I like to see how you come up with this. When was the last time you had to grind missions just to level up?
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Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
I'm calling it:
If that ever happens, Mackintosh here is buying the tickets. :P
Uh-huh. I mean, it's nice to do something else every once and a while.
I've seen worse.
Did you really just say this? Do you even know what L. Ron Hubbard caused. the guy was a greedy monster. His followers are horrible people with a facade of greatness.
I'm finding this true of all the Roddenberry-ites too. Fanatical devotion to a mediocre to sub-par hack, who was in it for the money.
"Second star on the right, and straight on till morning."
U.S.S. Weatherlight
The Federation doesn't deserve squat! Federation has gotten about all of the faction specific content since before STO went free to play, you don't need a damn thing more.
This supposed version of the show would be better in every possible way... in the original Klingon!
SINGING!
Gowron's crew also!
STO: K'Valk's end
... and a cheap insertion of the "Klingon Battle" theme from TMP, before the K'T'Ingas get vaped by Vger!
... and Klingon mission start from the early 2000's game, "Starfleet Command"
I know feds. get most the stuff but thats what Star Trek has always been about, not the klingon, romulans,remans,xindi, ext.
Yeah well being I spend something for a fed. I deserve fed. content, at least they could add something new to the first contact day, not the same boring, empty, mars utopia station with a NON-COMBAT pet...