When initial bits of information came out for the May update / Romulan implementation, I knew in my heart of hearts, that this inevitable thread would come out. Where the Federation, having received by far the vast majority of attention in this game, is stamping their feet on the ground pouting how they're not getting even "moar." Roddenberry be damned if the Klingon and Romulan faction are on equal footing in ships, customization, uniform options, missions, and in general, OPTIONS, to the oftenly-catered-to-Federation. Roddenberry be damned if the Romulans were to be a full, independent faction.
Bravo, OP. You have fulfilled what I have always thought about the general Federation base of this game.
Bravo, OP. You have fulfilled what I have always thought about the general Federation base of this game.
That's what I was going for.
The Federation deserves it. Star Trek is kind of about the Federation afterall. People generally sign up to play as a Starfleet captain. Statistics back that up.
I'm just not crazy about this much effort being given to something that will be used by relatively few players. If they want to add options, that's fine, but that shouldn't mean that the core Federation majority in this game should "sit out" a few updates. Fed players are the bread and butter of this game, and as such, we should be the center of attention for the indefinite future.
Just my two cents, which will be used to buy zen, which will be spent on my FED character if Cryptic keeps the Fed content coming.
The Federation has at least four times the number of players that the KDF has, yet it only has 2-3x the arsenal of ships to choose from...
So, the game already disproportionally favors the KDF. Per-capita (or should I say 'per-capitan' heh) the Federation is, and has been, getting the least content of anyone.
You serious?
Nah, you can't be serious?
You're not serious, right? :eek:
Please tell me you were not serious...
Hey everyone just wanted to share my thoughts and see some feedback(That means you to devs), so everyones saw Romulan update but really why am I interested, already am fully into feds, already spent plenty on c store, so why would I want to do releveling a new faction character I dont want, am I right?
So my big question is what content can feds. see coming, already got the non combat pet for first contact last year, and seems nothing for feds. in May so am I just forgotten forever?
Also who here thinks romulans will not last like the klingons did, dont see many klingons every really...
You serious?
Nah, you can't be serious?
You're not serious, right? :eek:
Please tell me you were not serious...
*four times the facepalm*
If it takes Cryptic 1 unit of their internal resources (staff, time, bandwidth, money, etc) to create and release a ship; then for every 1 units worth of content they release to benefit X number of players on the KDF, then they should be releasing 4 units of content to benefit 4X number of players on the Fed side.
That's only speaking from BOTH fairness AND business sense.
LoR isn't out yet and the Rage and Tears have begun. Delicious.
I guess the OP doesn't realize that every time something is created in game s/he - as a player - benefits.
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LoR isn't out yet and the Rage and Tears have begun. Delicious.
I guess the OP doesn't realize that every time something is created in game s/he - as a player - benefits.
I'm really just kind of LOLing at KDFer's reactions now that they have to listen to someone else complain about content-unfairness.
I'm really not too worried about LoR. Some of the UI and systems improvements look wonderful. Plus I'm looking forward to the Romulan story arc. I'm just suggesting that Cryptic and PWRD not forget their bread and butter.
I think everyone could stand to take themselves a little less seriously here.
Gene Roddenberry presided over the creation of two Star Trek series, and 6 Star Trek Movies, EVERY ONE of which was centered around a Federation Crew.
Where were the complaints for "MOAR KDF!"?
Evidently, he was even more Fed-centric than Cryptic.
Hate to break this to you, but Gene Roddenberry isn't God.
And I'm pretty sure there are other being and ships in the universe besides the starship Enterprise and its crew.
And last I look, a few Trek episodes dealt with other peoples, like the Klingons for example.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
And last I look, a few Trek episodes dealt with other peoples, like the Klingons for example.
And always when those people were interacting with Federation characters.
Hey hey! I got it. Let's get a kickstarter going to produce a Star Trek TV Series that ENTIRELY follows a crew of Breen. And we can even insist that there will be NO subtitles, so that viewers need to learn to interpret their speaking sounds, and it would be like totally immersive!
"Battle cruiser Vengence"
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The story of the 5 year mission of the D7 battle cruiser Vengence as it explores strange new worlds
seeks out new life and new civilisations
Is it just me, or does it seem like the core of this game, The Federation, is kind of being ignored with the new update? Sure, we don't know much yet, and this could all be ado about nothing; but where's the love for 80% of their player base?
I'm really not all that excited to dive into the Romulan faction, much like I've never been all that excited to dive into the Klingon faction. Don't get me wrong, I'll dabble to experience the storyline; but I'm almost certain that once I reach level 50, I'll be right back to my endgame Fed character.
I'd hate to see a major update go by without any significant improvement to the heart of the game.
I prefer federation to klingon, but the federation has such a massive head start in content, ships and uniforms that it would not hurt if the 18% (klingons) got the majority of items for once.
Besides, there are few things that can be added for the feds at this time so best to spread out new content.
Also, the federation does get something with a lot of worth: more newbie klingon targets to blow up. That's the greatest gift any federation player could hope for.. ( even better than a federation advanced battlecloak/phase cloak combo )
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
It's a game, not a career or a life choice, the new faction presents something new and entertaining to do and that's all I ever expect to get from a video game.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
He did kind of create all of the OP... Just sayin'- the guy who created the OP never created content from the perspective of the KDF or Romulans.
And because he didn't means it can never be done? Has he ever written that it is a mortal sin to create something from the point of view of someone else. Isn't that what Star Trek is supposedly about, new liforms and new civilizations?
And always when those people were interacting with Federation characters.
Most of the Episode "Redemption" took place soley within Klingon space. We even got to see Romulans scheming without a single Starfleet officer in the scene. Same with the Dominion occupation of DS9.
Hey hey! I got it. Let's get a kickstarter going to produce a Star Trek TV Series that ENTIRELY follows a crew of Breen. And we can even insist that there will be NO subtitles, so that viewers need to learn to interpret their speaking sounds, and it would be like totally immersive!
I smell an emmy!
You are now creating false controversy in an attempt to prove your illogical position. Hopefully the smoke from your strawman going up in flames won't be too suffocating.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
I would have given real money for a show about Martok
Martok's adventures targ hunting..
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
Hey everyone just wanted to share my thoughts and see some feedback(That means you to devs), so everyones saw Romulan update but really why am I interested, already am fully into feds, already spent plenty on c store, so why would I want to do releveling a new faction character I dont want, am I right?
Everyone is not you. Many play games for fun. The Roms might be fun, and thus people will want to play them and have fun. Simple, right?
So my big question is what content can feds. see coming, already got the non combat pet for first contact last year, and seems nothing for feds. in May so am I just forgotten forever?
The Federation side gets 99% of all the C-Store items added to the game: ships, uniforms, etc. They also get access to all new Mission Content - that content is for both Factions. What else are you thinking you deserve? Heck, you can even team-up with a Rom and do all their Missions with them too.
Also who here thinks romulans will not last like the klingons did, dont see many klingons every really...
The reason you don't see a lot of KDF is probably because you never go into any of the KDF zones, nor spend much time in the various Fed/KDF zones.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
It is a game. Game is meant to be fun. If you don't like the new content, you can still play Fed. (I may dabble in it, but still play fed cause I'm vested in my characters hehe)
You either really are trolling with that statement or you are very clueless.
Let's go with the latter instead of the former, but just to be on the safe side we need to stop feeding this individual.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
How can it be trolling when the numbers are on my side?
Per-capita, the KDF has way more content than the Federation.
And statistically speaking flying airplanes is safer than driving cars, the problem is if an airplane gets in an accident there isn't much left for the rescue team.
KDF numbers are skewed by the fact that it's shortcomings are self re-enforcing, people don't play because of the problems which aren't getting fixed because people aren't playing, catch 22. If the faction had started on an equal footing with the Federation from the start the numbers would look a lot different. Things hopefully are finally being addressed which should put the faction in a better position to prove itself, but time will tell.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
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Bravo, OP. You have fulfilled what I have always thought about the general Federation base of this game.
That's what I was going for.
The Federation deserves it. Star Trek is kind of about the Federation afterall. People generally sign up to play as a Starfleet captain. Statistics back that up.
I'm just not crazy about this much effort being given to something that will be used by relatively few players. If they want to add options, that's fine, but that shouldn't mean that the core Federation majority in this game should "sit out" a few updates. Fed players are the bread and butter of this game, and as such, we should be the center of attention for the indefinite future.
Just my two cents, which will be used to buy zen, which will be spent on my FED character if Cryptic keeps the Fed content coming.
You serious?
Nah, you can't be serious?
You're not serious, right? :eek:
Please tell me you were not serious...
*four times the facepalm*
Where were the complaints for "MOAR KDF!"?
Evidently, he was even more Fed-centric than Cryptic.
I know man, I know... Picard has my back on this.
So my big question is what content can feds. see coming, already got the non combat pet for first contact last year, and seems nothing for feds. in May so am I just forgotten forever?
Also who here thinks romulans will not last like the klingons did, dont see many klingons every really...
Thanks
http://io9.com/5811911/gene-roddenberry-wouldnt-tolerate-prejudice-against-klingons
If it takes Cryptic 1 unit of their internal resources (staff, time, bandwidth, money, etc) to create and release a ship; then for every 1 units worth of content they release to benefit X number of players on the KDF, then they should be releasing 4 units of content to benefit 4X number of players on the Fed side.
That's only speaking from BOTH fairness AND business sense.
I think the KDF has been a little spoiled.
I guess the OP doesn't realize that every time something is created in game s/he - as a player - benefits.
STO Forum member since before February 2010.
STO Academy's excellent skill planner here: Link
I actually avoid success entirely. It doesn't get me what I want, and the consequences for failure are slim. -- markhawman
I'm really just kind of LOLing at KDFer's reactions now that they have to listen to someone else complain about content-unfairness.
I'm really not too worried about LoR. Some of the UI and systems improvements look wonderful. Plus I'm looking forward to the Romulan story arc. I'm just suggesting that Cryptic and PWRD not forget their bread and butter.
I think everyone could stand to take themselves a little less seriously here.
Hate to break this to you, but Gene Roddenberry isn't God.
And I'm pretty sure there are other being and ships in the universe besides the starship Enterprise and its crew.
And last I look, a few Trek episodes dealt with other peoples, like the Klingons for example.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
Go to Kerat
And here was where I stopped taking you seriously. This sounds a little too much like a troll.
Spoiled? When we have next to no content compared to the Federation and any bugs that effect only the KDF never get fixed? Wow.
He did kind of create all of the IP... Just sayin'- the guy who created the IP never created content from the perspective of the KDF or Romulans.
And always when those people were interacting with Federation characters.
Hey hey! I got it. Let's get a kickstarter going to produce a Star Trek TV Series that ENTIRELY follows a crew of Breen. And we can even insist that there will be NO subtitles, so that viewers need to learn to interpret their speaking sounds, and it would be like totally immersive!
I smell an emmy!
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The story of the 5 year mission of the D7 battle cruiser Vengence as it explores strange new worlds
seeks out new life and new civilisations
and kicks seven shades of hell out of it
I prefer federation to klingon, but the federation has such a massive head start in content, ships and uniforms that it would not hurt if the 18% (klingons) got the majority of items for once.
Besides, there are few things that can be added for the feds at this time so best to spread out new content.
Also, the federation does get something with a lot of worth: more newbie klingon targets to blow up. That's the greatest gift any federation player could hope for.. ( even better than a federation advanced battlecloak/phase cloak combo
How can it be trolling when the numbers are on my side?
Per-capita, the KDF has way more content than the Federation.
And because he didn't means it can never be done? Has he ever written that it is a mortal sin to create something from the point of view of someone else. Isn't that what Star Trek is supposedly about, new liforms and new civilizations?
Most of the Episode "Redemption" took place soley within Klingon space. We even got to see Romulans scheming without a single Starfleet officer in the scene. Same with the Dominion occupation of DS9.
You are now creating false controversy in an attempt to prove your illogical position. Hopefully the smoke from your strawman going up in flames won't be too suffocating.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
Martok's adventures targ hunting..
You either really are trolling with that statement or you are very clueless.
The Federation side gets 99% of all the C-Store items added to the game: ships, uniforms, etc. They also get access to all new Mission Content - that content is for both Factions. What else are you thinking you deserve? Heck, you can even team-up with a Rom and do all their Missions with them too.
The reason you don't see a lot of KDF is probably because you never go into any of the KDF zones, nor spend much time in the various Fed/KDF zones.
Please review my campaign and I'll return the favor.
Or a Buddy Cop movie with Gowron and Martok http://youtu.be/peMCjlZU2PI?t=1m46s
Let's go with the latter instead of the former, but just to be on the safe side we need to stop feeding this individual.
KDF numbers are skewed by the fact that it's shortcomings are self re-enforcing, people don't play because of the problems which aren't getting fixed because people aren't playing, catch 22. If the faction had started on an equal footing with the Federation from the start the numbers would look a lot different. Things hopefully are finally being addressed which should put the faction in a better position to prove itself, but time will tell.