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Stop Beating Around the Bush - Just nerf Tacs
janewaywarrior
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As a Tactical Captain myself, I have noticed the enormous power I have over other Captain's of different classes. Coupled with obviously over-powered vessels such as the JHAS or Fleet Defiant and it becomes a deadly "synergy" of its own.
So lets stop this talk about "re-balancing Engineering and Science" which quite frankly, we all know that Cryptic are just not able to do. They've had 3 years to balance the classes and have failed and proved they are not interested in that.
The most simple solution is to nerf the damage that Tactical Captain's are capable of. Stop Attack Pattern Alpha from interacting with Science Abilities by locking it to "WEAPON DAMAGE ONLY" and nerfing it to 25%. Also Go Down Fighting should also be "WEAPON DAMAGE ONLY" and nerf the durability of Escorts by 15% across to board to become the Glass Cannons that we all know that they should be.
These topics about changing skills etc are really not needed because it just brings us away from the main issues. Tactical has been too powerful for too long and are Cryptic's favorites because they do not know how to do other abilities without making damage ridiculous.
So lets stop this talk about "re-balancing Engineering and Science" which quite frankly, we all know that Cryptic are just not able to do. They've had 3 years to balance the classes and have failed and proved they are not interested in that.
The most simple solution is to nerf the damage that Tactical Captain's are capable of. Stop Attack Pattern Alpha from interacting with Science Abilities by locking it to "WEAPON DAMAGE ONLY" and nerfing it to 25%. Also Go Down Fighting should also be "WEAPON DAMAGE ONLY" and nerf the durability of Escorts by 15% across to board to become the Glass Cannons that we all know that they should be.
These topics about changing skills etc are really not needed because it just brings us away from the main issues. Tactical has been too powerful for too long and are Cryptic's favorites because they do not know how to do other abilities without making damage ridiculous.
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I will give you a hint.
Counter their Speed & maneuverability. - slow them down. Target Engines instead of FAW. Chrotonic Mines and Torps. Polaron weapons work great. Chrotonic Torps are great if you can afford a Lt.Cmdr Torp Spread III.
Most cruiser captains I see still play to the idea that FAW is the only important offensive skill. Its the last one I go for, for the above reason. Any ship that looses its ability for speed and maneuver is fighting on it's back leg and defensively.
Counter DPS - 2x sub-system targeting doffs - Target Weapons. They become limp biscuits. Your durability will wear them down, either till they run or just to stubborn to admit they are already dead.
If you happen to come across a premade, you had better figure out who their heavy hitter is, and apply the above to them constantly and still remember your role is to support your team.
These are the ways in which things should be fixed. Definitely more work involved but it's hardly difficult stuff to do. Obviously the real boon to PvE would be AI that doesn't suck, but if the NPCs have to remain hit-point sinks then they need to do their huge damage over time so we can actually have tanks and healers doing something for a change.
Game Balance - Ship Size and Wingmates
A splitting of AP:O properties might be better, so you either get a damage, speed and turn boost or a defence, tractor immunity and speed boost.
Most people will not notice a difference but it would mean science and engineering offensive and damaging skills can be increased without getting broken by a stacking of career restricted damage buffs.
As for AP:A and GDF the boosts are fine, perhaps the duration is a bit long but changes need to be made bit by bit, tested fully and making sure it's for the better and not a massive game breaking nerf.
It would be nice if someone could tell me how many skills and weapons etc have been nerfed due to AP:A, FOMM, tactical fleet and GDF being stacked to get crazily high damage.
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
.. but nerf my escorts and I will complain so loud that Cryptic will have to triple Attack pattern damage bonus to silence the nerd rage I will stirr up.
Stop ruining my pve, pvpers.
Trust me, this is within Cryptic's intelligence level, what everyone else is suggesting is not.
That would make everybody happy.
That will not deal with the underlying issue which is that Tactical Captains are too powerful over every other class.
Nerfing tacticals means STFs are harder. This is BAD.
Boosting engineers and scientists means STFs are easier. This is GOOD.
Its not our fault is STF's are made harder. They need to be made harder and this might give Cryptic the kick to add other optionals then just "Kill this quickly".
The answer is actually a buff to beams and turrets which MANY cruisers use...now I admit I'm not a huge treckie but from what I have seen an over-boosted beam should come pretty close to ripping apart an enemy ship.:eek: Watch your power levels as you fire all your weapons and you will see exactly what I'm talking about. notice the damage your weapons do gets lower and lower as your power gets depleted.
As long as Tactical Team remains by far the best engineering skill in the game, nothing will change.
The issuse isn't the cannon. It's the glass.
"We are smart." - Grebnedlog
Member of Alliance Central Command/boq botlhra'ghom
Mind if I call you a Hypocrite?
It seems to me that the even better solution would be for the character class descriptions to be updated so that people know what they're actually getting into. As it is people just go with whatever sounds "cool" or "trekkie" and only when they reach lvl 50 do they realize that scis in sci vessels won't be like janeway and use space magic to solve everything. We all know what scis are designed to do, we all know that having a single sci around that really knows their stuff can be an amazing boon, we all know that most of the time scis really want to be doing damage above all else so why are they scis??
Personally I really like it the way it is, it neatly sidesteps the trinity without penalizing specialized rooles. Not necessary but not a detriment either, how great is that? Why can't other game companies get that?
Sure. Just as soon as they make STO endgame something more than a hamster grind wheel. Im all for having challenging content, as long as its something we arent funneled into doing over and over and over and over and over again on a daily basis.
By the majority of the posts, this isnt exactly a nerf tacts thread, but more of a nerf escorts thread yet again.
I agree with this.
I'm calling BS on you janeway. I am a Tac and can tell without a doubt you're no Tac. You're clever though & I'll give you that. What you really are is an Eng or Sci who was smart enough to know if you complained about Tac DPS all you'd get are replies telling you to stop your whining. So you decided to use reverse psychology & try to make us believe you're "really" a Tac calling out you're own (Tac) ability of DPS as OP???
The careers are a game of rock/paper/scissors. In this case DPS/Tank/Healer. You're good at one & weak at the other two. If you "really" were a Tac you'd know we get all that DPS at the cost of tank and heal abilities. Tacs have few Eng/Sci skills & consoles. Hence the term "Glass Cannons".
If you're really unhappy about your DPS being OP as a Tac (imposter), lower your weapons power down to nothing or mount beams on your escort. Better yet, run the (in)famous Rainbow build.
Yes this response if filled with sarcasm, but all of the threads calling for nerfs to DPS or increases to beam DPS are unwarranted. There is balance if you look at the big picture.
You left out the new Anodorian ship as well. I fly one and can destroy both the fleet defiant and the LOLJHAS. Only the people who can not afford to buy one or have a terrible setup and cant play the game will say the ship sucks...
But yes, Tac's are a bit OP at the moment
I know alot will disagree and say just buff the other classes, but i think they are all fine. Sorry, i know you all want to prevent your flavor of the game class from being hit with the nerf bat, but being a Tac myself, I know they are far above and apart from the other two classes in the game.
I could understand if this game took advantage of the trinity system, however it does not, it is a DPS is king race and nothing more.
Ive killed planty of Bugships, Defiants and the smurf ships in my BC.
Several things need changing but how Tacs play is not one of them.
R.I.P
Not true. With things like XP boosts and DOFF boosts, this can clearly be done.
If any changes were to be made, I'd like to see:
Cruiser gain +1 boff Lt boff slot, 5th fore weapon slot, weapon drain scaled to weapon damage (not dps)
Science gain +1 deflector slot and +1 universal console slot.
Of all the "problems" with cruisers, which I don't actually think are that numerous, my one problem is they have the same total boffs as little escorts and they have many times 1000 more crew... That's a little ridiculous...
I'l take the opportunity to re-iterate this. In PvP, this is how you kill escorts.
Well you are obviously wrong, my main is "Warbird", a tactical in a Fleet Prometheus and yes I have a high engineer. I enjoy Tac but I think they are completely too powerful. It ruins the game for others when they have no role.