I'm not stretching a damn thing. I'll quote the book, as seen in this thread from these forums.
That's Stiles, the MACO Marine, being interviewed by Jake Sisko. In the official STO Novel. It's the gun preferred by the MACO Marines. In 2409. In the war with the Undine. The whole big plot event that was the impetus for the game.
It's a MACO gun, and that's how it was promoted. Back then. Before MACO reputation EXISTED.
Again, I ask, where were you noobs back then?
And I can cite you three other books where non-MACOs used the weapon extensively. A person using a weapon, especially when said weapon wasn't specially designed for them, doesn't give their name to that weapon.
I think expecting people to have read The Needs of the Many and noted that MACO soldiers used the TR-116 (and memorized it, since I have read it and forgot that fact) is unreasonable, and calling someone a "noob" for not knowing that is unfair, considering that there is a different rifle in-game known as the "MACO rifle," which people are far more likely to be familiar with.
I don't expect people to have memorized it. But once I cite the references, I would hope people would stop trying to argue against it. The novel presented it as the MACO weapon of choice. I've not only cited it, but quoted it. I explained exactly why it was called a MACO gun for quite a long time. A long time in which MACO reputation didn't exist.
That aside, I agree with you - there are plenty of preorder bonus items which haven't made their way to the C-Store which have nothing to do with the 2009 movie, so there's no reason to conclude that's the reason the Red Matter Capacitor is unavailable.
Thanks. The debate about what is and isn't MACO is having the effect of burying the only reason I brought the item up in the first place.
And I can cite you three other books where non-MACOs used the weapon extensively. A person using a weapon, especially when said weapon wasn't specially designed for them, doesn't give their name to that weapon.
Thing is, the source I'm citing is the novel for THIS game. And the quotes I'm providing are from the interview with the MACO marine, explaining what their role in the game was.
People were calling it the MACO Rifle long before your end-game rifle ever existed.
I even provided a link to a thread from these forums that did so.
Not sure what other proof you need for why I called it the MACO gun. But your continued debate will only be met with more snark. I've given reference, quote and links.
I don't expect people to have memorized it. But once I cite the references, I would hope people would stop trying to argue against it. The novel presented it as the MACO weapon of choice. I've not only cited it, but quoted it. I explained exactly why it was called a MACO gun for quite a long time. A long time in which MACO reputation didn't exist.
All of which is a moot point when the premise you're trying to support is flawed. I'll repeat myself since you clearly refused to comprehend the first time:
A weapon does not acquire the name of a single group who uses it when more than one group uses it, and the weapon was not specifically designed to be used by a single unit.
The TR-116 was intended as a general purpose weapon, not some snazzy symbol of soldiery uberness given only to MACOs. It is no more a MACO weapon than it is a Starfleet Security weapon.
Thing is, the source I'm citing is the novel for THIS game. And the quotes I'm providing are from the interview with the MACO marine, explaining what their role in the game was.
Are you seriously trying to argue that information which contradicts your argument is magically invalid simply because it isn't as attached to STO as the thing you're using to prop up a flawed argument?
Not sure what other proof you need for why I called it the MACO gun. But your continued debate will only be met with more snark. I've given reference, quote and links.
Translation: I'm right because I want to be right, and will ignore any and all evidence to the contrary. In addition, I will continue to be an TRIBBLE to those who challenge my assertions, regardless of whether they provide factual information.
A weapon does not acquire the name of a single group who uses it when more than one group uses it, and the weapon was not specifically designed to be used by a single unit.
As seen in the OFFICIAL STO NOVEL, it was the favored weapon of the MACO Marines. As quoted in the book. And seen in the thread I linked from these forums.
This was one of the reasons it was used as a pre-order bonus item. From Target. And this item was not put into the C-Store, when other pre-order items were. This item had no tie to any CBS-Paramount licensing issues. Nor did the Chromodynamic armor.
You getting it yet?
Are you seriously trying to argue that information which contradicts your argument is magically invalid simply because it isn't as attached to STO as the thing you're using to prop up a flawed argument?
My argument is fine. I made a statement. I backed it up with references, links. quotes and threads from these forums. You said other novels use the item. So what? I said the STO Novel presents the item as the favored weapon of the MACOs in 2409. For the Undine war. Which the novel does. Your novels, do they take place in 2409? Or the Undine War? No? I didn't think so.
I'm presenting OFFICIAL CANON FOR THIS GAME. You are not. You are the one with the flawed argument.
As seen in the OFFICIAL STO NOVEL, it was the favored weapon of the MACO Marines. As quoted in the book. And seen in the thread I linked from these forums.
This was one of the reasons it was used as a pre-order bonus item. From Target. And this item was not put into the C-Store, when other pre-order items were. This item had no tie to any CBS-Paramount licensing issues. Nor did the Chromodynamic armor.
You getting it yet?
What I'm getting is that someone can't stand to hear that he might be wrong.
My argument is fine. I made a statement. I backed it up with references, links. quotes and threads from these forums. You said other novels use the item. So what? I said the STO Novel presents the item as the favored weapon of the MACOs in 2409. For the Undine war. Which the novel does. Your novels, do they take place in 2409? Or the Undine War? No? I didn't think so.
I'm presenting OFFICIAL CANON FOR THIS GAME. You are not. You are the one with the flawed argument.
Bull****. You've done nothing but rage at people who challenge your absurd notion that a weapon carried by multiple subgroups magically acquires a name from one of those groups for the sole reason that that group carried it.
But that's alright. Live in your little fantasy where snoggymack can do no wrong, and anyone who thinks differently is a complete fool.
Bull****. You've done nothing but rage at people who challenge your absurd notion that a weapon carried by multiple subgroups magically acquires a name from one of those groups for the sole reason that that group carried it.
But that's alright. Live in your little fantasy where snoggymack can do no wrong, and anyone who thinks differently is a complete fool.
Hey now, don't get nasty just because someone thinks Ezri is a MACO. :rolleyes:
Comming soon to a Z store near you....Romulan mining ship! The not called Narada class starship comes complete with a nearly identical setup as the tuffli freighter. But that's not all! It also comes with an extra Eng BO slot and a special console that enables the whole crew to go bald for 40 seconds and has a 900 second cool down.
No - for the same reason as the JJ-prise/2009 Enterprise won't be in the game. Paramount owns the movies, CBS owns the rights to the TV series.
I assume you mean that Paramount holds exclusive rights to JJ's Star Trek movies. The Enterprise E, Romulan Mogai Escorts, and the Scimitar were introduced in the movies -- all three of which are represented in STO.
But yeah, I doubt it. It's a mining vessel, anyway. The only reason it kicked everyone's TRIBBLE in the movie was because it was centuries ahead of its time.
The only reason it kicked everyone's TRIBBLE in the movie was because it was centuries ahead of its time.
Actually, it was retrofitted with ridiculous amounts of Borg technology by the remnants of the Tal Shiar at The Vault, after the destruction of Romulus but before Nero set of on his psychotic rampage across the quadrant.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
Actually, it was retrofitted with ridiculous amounts of Borg technology by the remnants of the Tal Shiar at The Vault, after the destruction of Romulus but before Nero set of on his psychotic rampage across the quadrant.
For serious? Hm, that must have been in some EU stuff. I never got into that.
It kicked everyone's TRIBBLE in the comics too, and like it or not STO follows the Countdown comic backstory right down to visiting the place where the Narada was retrofitted and encountering "proto-Naradas".
Hell, the STF Borg set deflector seems partially based on the Narada's look of pointy stabby black things jutting out of the hull for no good reason.
I actually wonder about who exactly has the rights to the Narada, given it appears in both the movie and the prime universe Countdown comic. Is it shared?
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
Countdown was specifically written to be the prequel to the movie. As such it probably falls under Paramount's and JJ's license agreement.
For Cryptic to use anything in the JJ movies they would need to get CBS's permission, and then CBS would need to get permission from both Paramount and JJ. Certainly not undoable, but unlikely.
I'ts not that it's unlikely, but down to the greed of company's it wont happen.
Money makes the world go around...
It's not an issue of "NO, because I own it" it's more of a Ferengi scheme of "how much profit can I get for this, regardless of fanbase/loyalty" :cool:
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I actually wonder about who exactly has the rights to the Narada, given it appears in both the movie and the prime universe Countdown comic. Is it shared?
I wonder the same thing. I wouldn't be surprised if it's incredibly murky.
To take a somewhat similar (but not identical, I know) example from the world of comics, there was a time period when Dark Horse Comics held the rights to Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and IDW Publishing had the rights to its spin-off series Angel.
The character of Spike originated on the Buffy TV series, but also was a regular on Angel in its final season. He ended up being used by IDW in the Angel books. However, IDW were forbidden from even mentioning Buffy's name in the comics for quite some time, which led to some rather creative writing to get around.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
I don't want the Narada in-game. The whole concept of the ship was idiotic. Besides, it's ugly as hell and probably has a turn rate of 3. Seriously, keep that ugly abomination out of the game. Use a powered-down version of the Scimitar instead, it at least LOOKS like it could be Romulan.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
I don't want the Narada in-game. The whole concept of the ship was idiotic. Besides, it's ugly as hell and probably has a turn rate of 3. Seriously, keep that ugly abomination out of the game. Use a powered-down version of the Scimitar instead, it at least LOOKS like it could be Romulan.
I love the look of the ship, but I too wondered about the missiles. That is the equivalent of strapping 18th century powder cannons to a modern day stealth bomber. Perhaps they were some sort of mining drone designed to crush up asteroids re-purposed as weapons...who knows?
D'Kora comes with missiles as part of it's unique console, and the Ferengi lobi set also comes with a missile launcher weapon. They seem pretty effective to me.
I assume you mean that Paramount holds exclusive rights to JJ's Star Trek movies. The Enterprise E, Romulan Mogai Escorts, and the Scimitar were introduced in the movies -- all three of which are represented in STO.
But yeah, I doubt it. It's a mining vessel, anyway. The only reason it kicked everyone's TRIBBLE in the movie was because it was centuries ahead of its time.
JJ had nothing to do with the TNG movies that have the E, mogais, and scimitars. He is only the instigator of the reboot films, not Generations thru Nemesis. The rights to the IP contained in those films belong to CBS.
My guess is "hope" keeps people not playing but posting on the forums. For others, its a path of sad realization and closure. Grieving takes time. The worst "haters" here love the game, or did at some point.
It kicked everyone's TRIBBLE in the comics too, and like it or not STO follows the Countdown comic backstory right down to visiting the place where the Narada was retrofitted and encountering "proto-Naradas".
Hell, the STF Borg set deflector seems partially based on the Narada's look of pointy stabby black things jutting out of the hull for no good reason.
I actually wonder about who exactly has the rights to the Narada, given it appears in both the movie and the prime universe Countdown comic. Is it shared?
Quite true, and hilariously worded.
I personally think the Narada, or a similar vessel would be a good Z-Store choice for RR. As for it being Ugly.... Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That and somepeople like to fly a ship that intimidates their enemies.
However I feel I need to point out that the Narada was allowed to "grow" organically from its exposure to Borg nanites. Some have speculated that it was actually growing into a sphere and that Borg vessels are not constructed but "grown" out the vessels of assimilated starships.
The Narada is just cool looking, I love the whole "spire" look to the vessel and surely it would make a nice NPC vessel or a similar ship. I was not sure about it as a playable vessel, probably not.
I for one am absolutely not in favor of a 'Narada' ship. Number one, it was a *unique* prototype, based off a mining vessel, not a warship even. Two, it looks absolutely nothing like either a borg ship or a romulan ship. Three. What would it use for weapons? The silly looking phaser mining drill? or the odd-looking missiles (neither one of which is seems like a weapon inspired by either borg nor romulan tech) The ability to create singularities is already a science BoFF ability, so red matter weapons would not be terribly unique. Five, I *really* didn't like the new JJ Trek. The whole point of the whole tiem travel plot was so that the series could be set in an alternate timeline without rubbing up against prior Trek canon worse than it already was. If it was intended to be for an alternate reality, can't we just let it stay there?
The Narada was a unique prototype mining ship hybridized with Borg technology and it was destroyed, may it rest in peace................. for the love of all that's holy, Please, let it be.
It's way too big for a player ship and there is no way that it's existence in this timeline could be convincingly explained.
Why are people always asking for the ugliest ships in the franchise? Cubes, Spheres and now the Narada. What's next? A players version of the Doomsday Machine?
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And I can cite you three other books where non-MACOs used the weapon extensively. A person using a weapon, especially when said weapon wasn't specially designed for them, doesn't give their name to that weapon.
So please, keep your snark to yourself.
I don't expect people to have memorized it. But once I cite the references, I would hope people would stop trying to argue against it. The novel presented it as the MACO weapon of choice. I've not only cited it, but quoted it. I explained exactly why it was called a MACO gun for quite a long time. A long time in which MACO reputation didn't exist.
Thanks. The debate about what is and isn't MACO is having the effect of burying the only reason I brought the item up in the first place.
Thing is, the source I'm citing is the novel for THIS game. And the quotes I'm providing are from the interview with the MACO marine, explaining what their role in the game was.
People were calling it the MACO Rifle long before your end-game rifle ever existed.
I even provided a link to a thread from these forums that did so.
Not sure what other proof you need for why I called it the MACO gun. But your continued debate will only be met with more snark. I've given reference, quote and links.
All of which is a moot point when the premise you're trying to support is flawed. I'll repeat myself since you clearly refused to comprehend the first time:
A weapon does not acquire the name of a single group who uses it when more than one group uses it, and the weapon was not specifically designed to be used by a single unit.
The TR-116 was intended as a general purpose weapon, not some snazzy symbol of soldiery uberness given only to MACOs. It is no more a MACO weapon than it is a Starfleet Security weapon.
Are you seriously trying to argue that information which contradicts your argument is magically invalid simply because it isn't as attached to STO as the thing you're using to prop up a flawed argument?
Translation: I'm right because I want to be right, and will ignore any and all evidence to the contrary. In addition, I will continue to be an TRIBBLE to those who challenge my assertions, regardless of whether they provide factual information.
As seen in the OFFICIAL STO NOVEL, it was the favored weapon of the MACO Marines. As quoted in the book. And seen in the thread I linked from these forums.
This was one of the reasons it was used as a pre-order bonus item. From Target. And this item was not put into the C-Store, when other pre-order items were. This item had no tie to any CBS-Paramount licensing issues. Nor did the Chromodynamic armor.
You getting it yet?
My argument is fine. I made a statement. I backed it up with references, links. quotes and threads from these forums. You said other novels use the item. So what? I said the STO Novel presents the item as the favored weapon of the MACOs in 2409. For the Undine war. Which the novel does. Your novels, do they take place in 2409? Or the Undine War? No? I didn't think so.
I'm presenting OFFICIAL CANON FOR THIS GAME. You are not. You are the one with the flawed argument.
What I'm getting is that someone can't stand to hear that he might be wrong.
Bull****. You've done nothing but rage at people who challenge your absurd notion that a weapon carried by multiple subgroups magically acquires a name from one of those groups for the sole reason that that group carried it.
But that's alright. Live in your little fantasy where snoggymack can do no wrong, and anyone who thinks differently is a complete fool.
Hey now, don't get nasty just because someone thinks Ezri is a MACO. :rolleyes:
And apparently the crew of the Enterprise. (A Time to Heal)
Or the crew of the Budapest. (Field of Fire)
Or the Aventine. (Singular Destiny)
But hey, never let facts get in the way of a good delusion right?
You're thinking of Call of Duty: Medal of MACO.
I assume you mean that Paramount holds exclusive rights to JJ's Star Trek movies. The Enterprise E, Romulan Mogai Escorts, and the Scimitar were introduced in the movies -- all three of which are represented in STO.
But yeah, I doubt it. It's a mining vessel, anyway. The only reason it kicked everyone's TRIBBLE in the movie was because it was centuries ahead of its time.
Actually, it was retrofitted with ridiculous amounts of Borg technology by the remnants of the Tal Shiar at The Vault, after the destruction of Romulus but before Nero set of on his psychotic rampage across the quadrant.
For serious? Hm, that must have been in some EU stuff. I never got into that.
Hell, the STF Borg set deflector seems partially based on the Narada's look of pointy stabby black things jutting out of the hull for no good reason.
I actually wonder about who exactly has the rights to the Narada, given it appears in both the movie and the prime universe Countdown comic. Is it shared?
Yeah, it's all in the Countdown comic, which is the prequel to the 2009 movie.
Normally, I'd discount it as non-canon, but STO has actually adhered to the events of the comic very strictly.
In its original configuration, the Narada looked quite different.
It's in the tie-in comic.
I'ts not that it's unlikely, but down to the greed of company's it wont happen.
Money makes the world go around...
It's not an issue of "NO, because I own it" it's more of a Ferengi scheme of "how much profit can I get for this, regardless of fanbase/loyalty" :cool:
To take a somewhat similar (but not identical, I know) example from the world of comics, there was a time period when Dark Horse Comics held the rights to Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and IDW Publishing had the rights to its spin-off series Angel.
The character of Spike originated on the Buffy TV series, but also was a regular on Angel in its final season. He ended up being used by IDW in the Angel books. However, IDW were forbidden from even mentioning Buffy's name in the comics for quite some time, which led to some rather creative writing to get around.
The point being, licensing can be tricky.
What do you think of it's non-hairball look?
It looks like a Ferengi garbage scow.
Which is quite an achievement considering Ferengi ships already look like garbage scows.
D'Kora comes with missiles as part of it's unique console, and the Ferengi lobi set also comes with a missile launcher weapon. They seem pretty effective to me.
JJ had nothing to do with the TNG movies that have the E, mogais, and scimitars. He is only the instigator of the reboot films, not Generations thru Nemesis. The rights to the IP contained in those films belong to CBS.
Excellent! It and the Tuffli shall be the best of friends!
I personally think the Narada, or a similar vessel would be a good Z-Store choice for RR. As for it being Ugly.... Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That and somepeople like to fly a ship that intimidates their enemies.
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The Narada is just cool looking, I love the whole "spire" look to the vessel and surely it would make a nice NPC vessel or a similar ship. I was not sure about it as a playable vessel, probably not.
It's way too big for a player ship and there is no way that it's existence in this timeline could be convincingly explained.
Why are people always asking for the ugliest ships in the franchise? Cubes, Spheres and now the Narada. What's next? A players version of the Doomsday Machine?