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The Narada

janewaywarriorjanewaywarrior Member Posts: 93 Arc User
edited April 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Will we get to see a ship based off the same modifications as the Narada... loving the Romulan, Borg fusion. It looks awesome.
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  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    As its owned by paramount, probably not.

    they would have to do a special deal with them, so dont hold your breath.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited March 2013
    How about the Pre Refit version form the Countdown comics, as well as the Reman BOP (like a 200m less detailed Scimitar)
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    artan42 wrote: »
    How about the Pre Refit version form the Countdown comics, as well as the Reman BOP (like a 200m less detailed Scimitar)
    Countdown was specifically written to be the prequel to the movie. As such it probably falls under Paramount's and JJ's license agreement.

    For Cryptic to use anything in the JJ movies they would need to get CBS's permission, and then CBS would need to get permission from both Paramount and JJ. Certainly not undoable, but unlikely.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • pyryckpyryck Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    janewaywarrior wrote: »
    Will we get to see a ship based off the same modifications as the Narada... loving the Romulan, Borg fusion. It looks awesome.

    I'll go a different route from the other responses.

    Have you played in any of the Borg Red Alerts against the "boss" ship in them? Now imagine if you will a ship 10 times the size of those Borg command ships.

    I base my estimation of the size of the Narada on a comparison of the JJTrek Federation ship being not much smaller then JJTreks version of the Constitution. And that Federation ship in the first few moments of JJTrek1 was TINY when compared with the Narada.

    So nope, no Narada. No Enty-J either as both are entirely TOO BIG to be brought in game. :(
  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Countdown is a licensed work itself, so at best the same rules as getting ships from other Star Trek games apply. And as its licensed from both Paramount and CBS, things might be even more complicated.

    Honestly, the pre-retrofit Narada isn't distinctive enough to warrant that when we're probably talking about a Tuffli-like mini ship (it was the Borg upgrades that made it start wrecking fleets). A knockoff would serve just as well.
  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    pyryck wrote: »
    I'll go a different route from the other responses.

    Have you played in any of the Borg Red Alerts against the "boss" ship in them? Now imagine if you will a ship 10 times the size of those Borg command ships.

    The Narada is NOWHERE near that large.

    Reference.

    The Kelvin's saucer is about the size of the Constitution's. The JJ Constitution is supposed to be slightly larger than the original, but with bulkier engines (There is the shuttle scene that would require the ship to be much larger, but every other shot with a scale reference requires it to be much smaller than that shot did), putting the Kelvin a bit bigger than the Miranda.

    With that scale, the Borg upgraded Narada is not quite as wide as B'ger and about half as long. Big, but we're talking tactical cube big, not Enterprise-J big.

    If we go with the scale required for the shuttle scene (close to Galaxy size, making the Kelvin something closer to the Cheyenne or Nebula), this puts the Narada right about as long as B'ger and somewhat fatter. Large enough to break firing arcs and probably something that would have to be immobile, but still an order of magnitude away from the Enterprise-J.


    And that's with the Borg upgrades. The original was a fraction of that, slightly smaller than the Sovereign.
  • smokeybacon90smokeybacon90 Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    It also looks like a giant lump of armpit hair, and its primary weapons were missiles... how delightfully 20th century.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    hevach wrote: »
    The Narada is NOWHERE near that large.
    The Narada is supposed to be somewhere between 5 and 6 miles long. It's LARGE - and even makes the Enterprise J seem small - it's roughly 3 times longer than the J.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • dashuk2381dashuk2381 Member Posts: 230 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    The Schimitar, or a version of it is already in game. If I'm not mistaken it is revealed in STO that they were already using Borg tech with Shinzon's ship so you've already got a Borg/Rom tech ship in game that they can use.
  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Except that would require the JJ-Enterprise to be over two miles long, more than twice the size required for the shuttle scene and around five times it's designed size. The DVD extras give its size at 9000 meters, ILM gave it at over 30,000 meters, but it was scaled alongside the enterprise at slightly more than 2000 (or around 6000 if you assume the Enterprise size from the shuttle scene).
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    hevach wrote: »
    Except that would require the JJ-Enterprise to be over two miles long, more than twice the size required for the shuttle scene and around five times it's designed size.
    Perspective on film is confusing, at best, because you have no way of knowing exactly how close something is when you see them together. I am simply stating the values ILM used when creating the digital model for the film.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    When two things are colliding, you can get a pretty good size estimates. If the Narada was the 9,000 meters claimed, then the Kelvin's saucer is at least 3,000 meters in diamter at the point of collision. And I edited to address the ILM values: They didn't use either model at the size they were designed.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    hevach wrote: »
    When two things are colliding, you can get a pretty good size estimates. If the Narada was the 9,000 meters claimed, then the Kelvin's saucer is at least 3,000 meters in diamter at the point of collision. And I edited to address the ILM values: They didn't use either model at the size they were designed.
    Ok, I get it. Your opinion is right and what ILM says is wrong. You win. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    That's not what I said, and you can source everything I've said off my earlier links or go to Ex Ars Sciencia for some much more in depth looks. I even used ILM's information: They've said themselves the size they made the model at is not the size it was scaled against other ships. It's something they've done a lot, and is central to most of the ship size debates as well as the Akira carrier argument.

    But, hey, you go ahead and be your passive aggressive self, don't let me slow you down.
  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Ok, I get it. Your opinion is right and what ILM says is wrong. You win. :)

    Considering ILM digital model sizes have been hilariously wrong compared to in-universe dimensions on more than one occasion, and given that hevach gave a fairly clear (and plausible) analysis of his reasoning...

    Yes. He does win.
  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    smokeybacon90 wrote: »
    Its primary weapons were missiles... how delightfully 20th century.

    I love the look of the ship, but I too wondered about the missiles. That is the equivalent of strapping 18th century powder cannons to a modern day stealth bomber. Perhaps they were some sort of mining drone designed to crush up asteroids re-purposed as weapons...who knows?
  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    coupaholic wrote: »
    I love the look of the ship, but I too wondered about the missiles. That is the equivalent of strapping 18th century powder cannons to a modern day stealth bomber. Perhaps they were some sort of mining drone designed to crush up asteroids re-purposed as weapons...who knows?

    Not necessarily. While "traditional" projectile weapons that we're used to in trek (IE: Photons, Quantums, etc) had no visible "engine" (despite the fact that they did in fact have self-propulsion capability), there's absolutely nothing stopping a design more visually reminiscent of a missile from being completely equivalent.

    Simply put, the concept of a missile or torpedo (some sort of self-propelled projectile with a warhead) hasn't changed significantly in hundreds of years. All that's changed is the sophistication of the weapon itself.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited March 2013
    Who says the missiles are actual weapons and not just mining tools repurposed.
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
    #TASforSTO


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    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,434 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Cryptic could just Borg up the playable Romulan ships that will be available when the Romulan Faction launches.

    With our luck the Borg versions of the Romulan ships would be T5 Fleet Ships :P
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  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    errab wrote: »
    Cryptic could just Borg up the playable Romulan ships that will be available when the Romulan Faction launches.

    With our luck the Borg versions of the Romulan ships would be T5 Fleet Ships :P

    I can only imagine the hilarity of turning on Borg visuals on an already borgified ship
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    captainrevo1 wrote: »
    As its owned by paramount, probably not.

    they would have to do a special deal with them, so dont hold your breath.
    This is all about May. When the movie and the game both want to promote each other. It's all about sales.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Countdown was specifically written to be the prequel to the movie. As such it probably falls under Paramount's and JJ's license agreement.
    Elements of Countdown have already been used in The Path to 2409.
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  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    Elements of Countdown have already been used in The Path to 2409.

    True, but I suspect there's a big difference between using story eletments from a licensed work, and using actual visual designs.

    I also wouldn't be surprised if the Narada is in a bit of a grey area regarding whose license it is.
    You're right. The work here is very important.
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    People forget that we sort of already have Naradaesque Borg modifications - as the Borg set.

    While we very much cannot have the Narada itself, doesn't mean we couldn't see other Romulan-Borg hybrids. After all we had fought one in one of the Federation missions.
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    The Narada is supposed to be somewhere between 5 and 6 miles long. It's LARGE - and even makes the Enterprise J seem small - it's roughly 3 times longer than the J.

    In STO it would be about the size of the B'gers.
  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    azurianstar wrote: »
    People forget that we sort of already have Naradaesque Borg modifications - as the Borg set.

    While we very much cannot have the Narada itself, doesn't mean we couldn't see other Romulan-Borg hybrids. After all we had fought one in one of the Federation missions.



    In STO it would be about the size of the B'gers.

    dont forget Donatra's scimitar was likely borgified as well.
  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    tenkari wrote: »
    dont forget Donatra's scimitar was likely borgified as well.

    That may have had a smidge to do with Donatra being slightly borgified.
  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    stirling191 wrote: »
    That may have had a smidge to do with Donatra being slightly borgified.

    it was still borgified. how do we know WHEN it was borgified though? maybe she thought she could take on the borg in her borgified Scimitar and failed, and got assimilated?
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    jeffel82 wrote: »
    True, but I suspect there's a big difference between using story eletments from a licensed work, and using actual visual designs.

    I also wouldn't be surprised if the Narada is in a bit of a grey area regarding whose license it is.
    But there's no evidence to support the folks saying "It's not CBS so it won't happen."

    Cryptic used a lot from the 2009 movie to push the game's story forward. And they already have a red matter capacitor in the game. With the new movie coming out at the exact same time the "expansion" hits, there's a huge opportunity for both entities to cross promote and help each other.

    I'm not saying a Narada will happen. But it COULD happen. The timing is perfect for something like that to happen. Cryptic can certainly TRY at least.

    And that's all I'm really getting at, you know? That the door isn't officially shut like some folks are attempting to make it seem.

    It probably won't happen. But the door is there and Cryptic can try to knock on it and see if it opens.
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  • psiameesepsiameese Member Posts: 1,650 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    If nothing else, Cryptic could speculate on unmodified mining ships. Which wouldn't likely need to resemble Narada at all. One without all the extraneous blades and glowing Borg components all over it. Unless the Borg set was actually added to it by a player. And that wouldn't necessarily need to be a Narada clone either.
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