Vesta can only equip a specific dual heavy cannon.
The Vesta isn't limited to the auxiliary dual heavy cannons, the auxiliary cannons are limited to the Vesta. All of the Multi-Mission Science Vessels can equip normal dual heavy cannons.
There are multiple ships that absolutely do not belong as T5 Fleet ships.
This is one of them.
Why not?
The idea has merit if done right.
For example: the Miranda is a frigate hence it should not be fleeted up to be a front line combat ship.
That means it should retain its small amount of armaments and console slots.
2 fore 2 aft weapons.
3 eng
3 sci
2 tactical
However, as it is an upgraded ship and it is a support frigate.. its primary bonus should come from its boff stations. In a way, make it sort of the equivalent of the KDF bird of prey but for utility rather than damage.
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Since it is a frigate it should have equivalent hull and shield modifiers to something in between escort and a cruiser.
and voila! You get a tier 5 support frigate. Balanced, sexy and capable.
Suggesting a tier 5 Fleet Miranda is like suggesting a tier 5 Fleet Danube.
Could you imagine flying around in a Danube with the same console slots, weapon mounts, and universal BOFF layouts as a tier 5 Fleet Raptor?
God forbid I ruin anyone's immersion flying around in a tier 5 Miranda. This is not any worse of an idea than a carrier ship assembled by space felines and loaned out to Feds for the "war effort".
Suggesting a tier 5 Fleet Miranda is like suggesting a tier 5 Fleet Danube.
Could you imagine flying around in a Danube with the same console slots, weapon mounts, and universal BOFF layouts as a tier 5 Fleet Raptor?
Yeah, because comparing a medium cruiser that was good enough at its job to remain in service for a century with a runabout makes sense....that's like comparing an AEGIS Guided Missile Destroyer with a speed boat, they're completely different animals.
Honestly, the Miranda isn't much older than the Excelsior, yet those old buckets are still cruising around as a T5 vessel, and is one of the better cruisers in the game (some would argue the Fleet Excelsior is currently THE best cruiser, and honestly, I'd be hard pressed to prove 'em wrong).
I wouldn't mind, honestly. It's still way more viable than T5 Conne BS.
Similarly to Exelsior and some other ships, there were numerous Miranda and Centaur* class ships used during the Dominion War seen on DS9. Just make up an in-game refit story and here you go - Fleet Light Cruiser.
Not to mention, there's a lot of potential here when it comes to ship class. I could even see it as a destroyer in terms of performance, like more sturdy yet slower Aquarius.
Personally I wouldn't mind if it came with a brand new skin and Type-6 material as well, similar to Bellerophon, Venture and Sao Paulo. This would justify the "Refit" part nicely.
* - don't forget, it's not just Miranda, but Centaur and ShiKar as well. Even Memory Alpha states Centaur was a Destroyer and first of its kind during the 24th century - http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Centaur_type.
considering that the romulan republic are going to have tos romulan bird of prey warbirds which are likely going to be up gradable and the romulan republic are getting from there starfleet and klingon allies. is it time that both starfleet and the klingons ships to help out there new romulan allies.
a starfleet marenda is about the same size and shape as the tos romulan bird of preys could it make by good to offer a tier 5 mirenda if the romulan republic will get a tier 5 bird of prey warbird?
conni constitutions are know for going up against the ronulan and klingon tos bird of preys and d7battle cruisers/r7 warbirds. could it be good that the klinongs and starfleet are willing to offer d'tan ships that the ronulan cilvilian population understand operate and repair and refit like both the mirendas and conni constitutions. for tier 1 and tier 5 if the romulan republic makes the tos bird of prey warbirds could they be willing to be upgrading both the marenda and the conni constitution also d7/r7 warbirds too as romulan republic warbird.
for story reasons starfleet would have a tier 5 conni constitutions to help the people of the romulan republic with older ship design like to marenda and conni out and to remember the spirt of starfleet and the united federation of planets and james t kirk starfleet career. so starfleet get to play with the refit signed by d'tan and the romulan republic with quantom signularity warp cores on to classes that would be frieget tier 5 retrofits.
to me the romulan tos bird of preys have alaway felt and looked like the romulan empire amired and taken inspration from starfleets conni constitution and marenda class of starships for the romlun tos bird of prey warbird.
the klinons could also benifit from the romulan republic with having a new class or d7 battle cruiser with reftitted quantom signularity warp cores for helping d'tan and the romulan republic in rebuilding
T5 fleet Miranda would be fun, who cares if it's "practical" or "canon". We have Starfleet and KDF flying around in alien and mirror universe ships that pop out of boxes for crying out loud, "practical" and "canon" went out the window a long time ago.
it pretty simple folks do you want one ...if so what calls would it bee and what would the layout be what tier in the SB etc etc and if you don't want one why not and if not perhaps a sov with the catamaran form of the Miranda? better yet what ship do you want that not a fleet ship yet ?
why not, people are looking at T5 TOS connies, that ship looks way older than the Miranda.
Why do people not want fleet mirandas but want T5 Connies, idk, but to me the miranda looks way cooler and i like it way better than the TOS connie.
I wouldn't mind, honestly. It's still way more viable than T5 Conne BS.
Similarly to Exelsior and some other ships, there were numerous Miranda and Centaur* class ships used during the Dominion War seen on DS9. Just make up an in-game refit story and here you go - Fleet Light Cruiser.
Not to mention, there's a lot of potential here when it comes to ship class. I could even see it as a destroyer in terms of performance, like more sturdy yet slower Aquarius.
Personally I wouldn't mind if it came with a brand new skin and Type-6 material as well, similar to Bellerophon, Venture and Sao Paulo. This would justify the "Refit" part nicely.
* - don't forget, it's not just Miranda, but Centaur and ShiKar as well. Even Memory Alpha states Centaur was a Destroyer and first of its kind during the 24th century - http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Centaur_type.
Stahl said in a recent interview that cryptic would just let people fly any ship they like with a T5 refit. I guess the fleet miranda is on the way. Make it so! :P
Why? Because the tier system doesn't work and it's doubtful we'll ever get a revamp for it due to how heavily tied in the Zen store is with it, what with buying refits, retrofits, fleet modules, and all that.
The fact that supposedly more advanced ships like, say, the Saber-class and her more modern variant ?skins? started life as T2's until recently calls the whole system into question, when compared to later tiered but older ships.
So, until said unlikely overhaul/revamp/complete do-over of the tier system happens, I'd rather they bring out T5 variants of all available ships and have those balanced out more properly to each other and to level 50 enemy NPC's.
As it is now, if you took your T1 (or T2, T3 and the like) ship as a level 50 captain into a level 50 mission that has you facing off with enemy NPC's in ships that should be equal to your own (and were at lower levels), they'd still wipe the floor with you due to their level and abilities.
Not only that, but a ship shouldn't be so limited by a set, low-ranked bridge officer position, as those officers will have increased in skill and abilities, and there's certainly more positions on a bridge than the three a T1 has. I don't believe Kirk ever only had, for instance, Spock, Sulu, and Scotty as his only three active bridge officers on any of his, erm, T1-2 cruisers, heh.
I don't think anyone is asking for T5 ships of an older stripe that out-do *EVERYTHING* else, but they certainly shouldn't be treated as gear to be out-leveled either. Ships are as much a character as any of the main cast of a Star Trek show, and people will have their desired preferences for their own personal ?hero? ships.
I know some argue against having lower tier, older ships at T5, even if balanced to other T5's, but chances are they already have their preferred ships available to them at T5. The standard has already been set as it is for older ships to be at higher tiers, from the Excelsior to the Galaxy, and this isn?t taking into account their modernized ?skin? variants either. Even the KDF have their T5 K?t?inga with the even older D7 ?skin,? both being aged comparatively with the refit-Constitution and TOS Constitution respectively.
So while I wouldn?t expect a T5 Miranda to hold a candle to an Odyssey in the cruiser category, for instance, I would expect that hero ships, AKA player ships, should be able to handle their own in an online game where enemy NPC?s of any ship type and faction scale to a player?s level and not their ship tier.
Edit: And for some reason, the forum isn't picking up on my use of quotation marks or apostrophes and is swapping them out with question marks, not sure if that's just me, but just to announce that I'm not tossing question marks everywhere =P
Stahl said in a recent interview that cryptic would just let people fly any ship they like with a T5 refit. I guess the fleet miranda is on the way. Make it so! :P
I checked this out just to be sure, thanks for the info, but it is a little off. Stahl said that they wanted every romulan ship to have a tier 5 version, including the T'liss TOS bop. On the plus side, he was asked if they were prepared for the **** storm connie fans would throw over this, and he said he was ready for it. It was a nice gesture, and seemed to imply that cryptic still wants to put a tier 5 everything in the game.
I checked this out just to be sure, thanks for the info, but it is a little off. Stahl said that they wanted every romulan ship to have a tier 5 version, including the T'liss TOS bop. On the plus side, he was asked if they were prepared for the **** storm connie fans would throw over this, and he said he was ready for it. It was a nice gesture, and seemed to imply that cryptic still wants to put a tier 5 everything in the game.
And it is perfectly reasonable for there to be Tier 5 versions of Romulan ships since obviously CBS is more focused on the Federation than the Romulans or KDF.
My opinion of the Vulcan, Andorian, and Romulan ships are that they are alien ships so they don't suffer from the getting tired of their toys problem that humans suffer from. An alien is perfectly fine with piloting a ship design that has been around for hundreds of years while humans always want the latest and best design. After all, why do tons of people get the latest Apple product the day it is released when their previous Apple product is a perfectly good piece of equipment?
Yeah, let's not only have a T5 fleet version of an obsolete ship, let's have an even more obsolete version of that obsolete ship!
While we're at it, bring on the Fleet NX and Oberths.
No wait, I know! Fleet United States space shuttles and Saturn V rockets!
I want a CCCP Buran skin for my Fleet Space Shuttle Orbiter.
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erm NO! just NO! maybe Fleet Cons but Miranda no no and NO!
You have to realize that isn't the most intelligent argument. Two very old ships from the same era, one deserves to have a fleet variant but the other doesn't? What exactly is the reasoning.
Anyway, back on topic I don't really see a problem with a Fleet Miranda. If people really like this ship and want to use it end game why would anyone be against it?
I don't see any good why we shouldn't have T5 versions of all ships. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. Just because a ship hull is of an older design does not necessirly mean the ship itself is obsolete, constant refits and upgrades can extend a ships hull well beyond its lifespan. Besides I beleive all the ships in game are all 25th century 'replicas' of original ships are they not? New materials are used, bulkheads reinforced etc. Have you not seen a hot-rod car? Is basically a old timy car and tricking it out with a supercharged engine etc, why can't they do that with spaceships? Besides todays navel vessels haven't really changed much, some countries even still use ships that date from WW2 and before. What about the USAF's B-52 Stratofortress its been around since the 1950's and won't be retired until 2040! Besides its a spaceship in a science fiction universe you can make up any excuse!
And whoever compared a model T to a Formula 1 racecar has no idea what they are talking about. For one thing a model T Ford was a mass produced cheap family car for the masses. A Formula 1 is a top of the line racecar, for a start they were designed for different roles. Its like me comparing a 747 airliner to a WW2 ME 262, yeah they are both from differnt eras, but who you f**king think is going to win in a dog fight (and it won't be the airliner)! Just because somthing is old does not mean its useless. I'd take a refitted top of the line Miranda vs a Galaxy class anyday! A Galaxy class? Now that was an airliner!
I would not be surprised to see every ship available at T5 in the Fleet Store for Feds and KDF. They've already said that will be the case for Roms.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Not like it would really stop Cryptic or fall in line with their current logic on ship tiers, but technically the Nebula-class is the modernized version of the Miranda-class as a workhorse vessel. So if it were to be made a fleet-level ship, I'd think its stats would have to be pretty low for the tier.
Or make it the best ship ever, and let us enjoy the poetic justice of full-circle.
actully you know this is a bad idea, I understand modular but cmon thats just a very poor excuse in all honesty.
What fits at T5 is ships we know where either refitted during the domion war, what where already top of the line ships at that time period.
So the ships already at T5 minus the Ent Raptor are fine.
It is likly the rest of the excelscior fleet was updated to Lakota spec they already had plenty of hulls still in service, and they where making new ones right until the Galaxy class entered service in 2355, so it makes sense that starfleet would have upgraded them to modern standards.
The Galaxy, Sov, Intrepid, Defiant, Saber ect all where seen as new builds for there time, with the Galaxy being the oldest of them, and the rest being designed to deal with the current threats to starfleet. Ships like the Ambassador, I love my Fleet Ambassador, but it doesn't belong at T5, its outdated and was never seen after TNG period.
Now if they are willing to refund us our ship moduels, dilitium, lobi ect for ships that don't belong, or just remove them from being acquired in the future I'm fine with that 100%.
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And a console which does this:
Cannon radpid fire for 10 seconds. 3x speed and + 10 dmg per pulse
And a special pulse cannon which does extra dmg to hull
C STORE Chhherrr ching!!
I hope STO get's better ...
The Vesta isn't limited to the auxiliary dual heavy cannons, the auxiliary cannons are limited to the Vesta. All of the Multi-Mission Science Vessels can equip normal dual heavy cannons.
Could you imagine flying around in a Danube with the same console slots, weapon mounts, and universal BOFF layouts as a tier 5 Fleet Raptor?
Why not?
The idea has merit if done right.
For example: the Miranda is a frigate hence it should not be fleeted up to be a front line combat ship.
That means it should retain its small amount of armaments and console slots.
2 fore 2 aft weapons.
3 eng
3 sci
2 tactical
However, as it is an upgraded ship and it is a support frigate.. its primary bonus should come from its boff stations. In a way, make it sort of the equivalent of the KDF bird of prey but for utility rather than damage.
Cmdr. Universal
Cmdr Universal
Lt Cmdr Universal
Since it is a frigate it should have equivalent hull and shield modifiers to something in between escort and a cruiser.
and voila! You get a tier 5 support frigate. Balanced, sexy and capable.
God forbid I ruin anyone's immersion flying around in a tier 5 Miranda. This is not any worse of an idea than a carrier ship assembled by space felines and loaned out to Feds for the "war effort".
Yeah, because comparing a medium cruiser that was good enough at its job to remain in service for a century with a runabout makes sense....that's like comparing an AEGIS Guided Missile Destroyer with a speed boat, they're completely different animals.
Honestly, the Miranda isn't much older than the Excelsior, yet those old buckets are still cruising around as a T5 vessel, and is one of the better cruisers in the game (some would argue the Fleet Excelsior is currently THE best cruiser, and honestly, I'd be hard pressed to prove 'em wrong).
That's not viable. Science ships already have issues with a 3/3 fore/aft weapon setup. And there's no reason to restrict its consoles to 8.
Similarly to Exelsior and some other ships, there were numerous Miranda and Centaur* class ships used during the Dominion War seen on DS9. Just make up an in-game refit story and here you go - Fleet Light Cruiser.
Not to mention, there's a lot of potential here when it comes to ship class. I could even see it as a destroyer in terms of performance, like more sturdy yet slower Aquarius.
Personally I wouldn't mind if it came with a brand new skin and Type-6 material as well, similar to Bellerophon, Venture and Sao Paulo. This would justify the "Refit" part nicely.
* - don't forget, it's not just Miranda, but Centaur and ShiKar as well. Even Memory Alpha states Centaur was a Destroyer and first of its kind during the 24th century - http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Centaur_type.
a starfleet marenda is about the same size and shape as the tos romulan bird of preys could it make by good to offer a tier 5 mirenda if the romulan republic will get a tier 5 bird of prey warbird?
conni constitutions are know for going up against the ronulan and klingon tos bird of preys and d7battle cruisers/r7 warbirds. could it be good that the klinongs and starfleet are willing to offer d'tan ships that the ronulan cilvilian population understand operate and repair and refit like both the mirendas and conni constitutions. for tier 1 and tier 5 if the romulan republic makes the tos bird of prey warbirds could they be willing to be upgrading both the marenda and the conni constitution also d7/r7 warbirds too as romulan republic warbird.
for story reasons starfleet would have a tier 5 conni constitutions to help the people of the romulan republic with older ship design like to marenda and conni out and to remember the spirt of starfleet and the united federation of planets and james t kirk starfleet career. so starfleet get to play with the refit signed by d'tan and the romulan republic with quantom signularity warp cores on to classes that would be frieget tier 5 retrofits.
to me the romulan tos bird of preys have alaway felt and looked like the romulan empire amired and taken inspration from starfleets conni constitution and marenda class of starships for the romlun tos bird of prey warbird.
the klinons could also benifit from the romulan republic with having a new class or d7 battle cruiser with reftitted quantom signularity warp cores for helping d'tan and the romulan republic in rebuilding
why not, people are looking at T5 TOS connies, that ship looks way older than the Miranda.
Why do people not want fleet mirandas but want T5 Connies, idk, but to me the miranda looks way cooler and i like it way better than the TOS connie.
drool ty icould not have said it better my self
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Why? Because the tier system doesn't work and it's doubtful we'll ever get a revamp for it due to how heavily tied in the Zen store is with it, what with buying refits, retrofits, fleet modules, and all that.
The fact that supposedly more advanced ships like, say, the Saber-class and her more modern variant ?skins? started life as T2's until recently calls the whole system into question, when compared to later tiered but older ships.
So, until said unlikely overhaul/revamp/complete do-over of the tier system happens, I'd rather they bring out T5 variants of all available ships and have those balanced out more properly to each other and to level 50 enemy NPC's.
As it is now, if you took your T1 (or T2, T3 and the like) ship as a level 50 captain into a level 50 mission that has you facing off with enemy NPC's in ships that should be equal to your own (and were at lower levels), they'd still wipe the floor with you due to their level and abilities.
Not only that, but a ship shouldn't be so limited by a set, low-ranked bridge officer position, as those officers will have increased in skill and abilities, and there's certainly more positions on a bridge than the three a T1 has. I don't believe Kirk ever only had, for instance, Spock, Sulu, and Scotty as his only three active bridge officers on any of his, erm, T1-2 cruisers, heh.
I don't think anyone is asking for T5 ships of an older stripe that out-do *EVERYTHING* else, but they certainly shouldn't be treated as gear to be out-leveled either. Ships are as much a character as any of the main cast of a Star Trek show, and people will have their desired preferences for their own personal ?hero? ships.
I know some argue against having lower tier, older ships at T5, even if balanced to other T5's, but chances are they already have their preferred ships available to them at T5. The standard has already been set as it is for older ships to be at higher tiers, from the Excelsior to the Galaxy, and this isn?t taking into account their modernized ?skin? variants either. Even the KDF have their T5 K?t?inga with the even older D7 ?skin,? both being aged comparatively with the refit-Constitution and TOS Constitution respectively.
So while I wouldn?t expect a T5 Miranda to hold a candle to an Odyssey in the cruiser category, for instance, I would expect that hero ships, AKA player ships, should be able to handle their own in an online game where enemy NPC?s of any ship type and faction scale to a player?s level and not their ship tier.
Edit: And for some reason, the forum isn't picking up on my use of quotation marks or apostrophes and is swapping them out with question marks, not sure if that's just me, but just to announce that I'm not tossing question marks everywhere =P
I checked this out just to be sure, thanks for the info, but it is a little off. Stahl said that they wanted every romulan ship to have a tier 5 version, including the T'liss TOS bop. On the plus side, he was asked if they were prepared for the **** storm connie fans would throw over this, and he said he was ready for it. It was a nice gesture, and seemed to imply that cryptic still wants to put a tier 5 everything in the game.
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And it is perfectly reasonable for there to be Tier 5 versions of Romulan ships since obviously CBS is more focused on the Federation than the Romulans or KDF.
My opinion of the Vulcan, Andorian, and Romulan ships are that they are alien ships so they don't suffer from the getting tired of their toys problem that humans suffer from. An alien is perfectly fine with piloting a ship design that has been around for hundreds of years while humans always want the latest and best design. After all, why do tons of people get the latest Apple product the day it is released when their previous Apple product is a perfectly good piece of equipment?
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That is sig worthy.
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saturn 5 would be cool...
I want a CCCP Buran skin for my Fleet Space Shuttle Orbiter.
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You have to realize that isn't the most intelligent argument. Two very old ships from the same era, one deserves to have a fleet variant but the other doesn't? What exactly is the reasoning.
Anyway, back on topic I don't really see a problem with a Fleet Miranda. If people really like this ship and want to use it end game why would anyone be against it?
And whoever compared a model T to a Formula 1 racecar has no idea what they are talking about. For one thing a model T Ford was a mass produced cheap family car for the masses. A Formula 1 is a top of the line racecar, for a start they were designed for different roles. Its like me comparing a 747 airliner to a WW2 ME 262, yeah they are both from differnt eras, but who you f**king think is going to win in a dog fight (and it won't be the airliner)! Just because somthing is old does not mean its useless. I'd take a refitted top of the line Miranda vs a Galaxy class anyday! A Galaxy class? Now that was an airliner!
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Id like it to have all, or at least mostly universal bo slots.
with around 25 k hull
3/3 weapons
3/3/3 consoles
Maybe sensor analysis
possibly cannons
And definately 24th century skins.
No real reason not to have frigate class vessels.
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Or make it the best ship ever, and let us enjoy the poetic justice of full-circle.
What fits at T5 is ships we know where either refitted during the domion war, what where already top of the line ships at that time period.
So the ships already at T5 minus the Ent Raptor are fine.
It is likly the rest of the excelscior fleet was updated to Lakota spec they already had plenty of hulls still in service, and they where making new ones right until the Galaxy class entered service in 2355, so it makes sense that starfleet would have upgraded them to modern standards.
The Galaxy, Sov, Intrepid, Defiant, Saber ect all where seen as new builds for there time, with the Galaxy being the oldest of them, and the rest being designed to deal with the current threats to starfleet. Ships like the Ambassador, I love my Fleet Ambassador, but it doesn't belong at T5, its outdated and was never seen after TNG period.
Now if they are willing to refund us our ship moduels, dilitium, lobi ect for ships that don't belong, or just remove them from being acquired in the future I'm fine with that 100%.