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FLEET Miranda? Yeah i Said it

wildweasalwildweasal Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
edited January 2014 in Federation Discussion
it pretty simple folks do you want one ...if so what calls would it bee and what would the layout be what tier in the SB etc etc and if you don't want one why not and if not perhaps a sov with the catamaran form of the Miranda? better yet what ship do you want that not a fleet ship yet ?
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  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    There are multiple ships that absolutely do not belong as T5 Fleet ships.

    This is one of them.
  • wildweasalwildweasal Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    but yet they are there so then it begs to ask why not just do it
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  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    wildweasal wrote: »
    but yet they are there so then it begs to ask why not just do it

    So your argument is "well I'm already wrong, I might as well be wronger"?

    Love that logic...
  • bohiapbohiap Member Posts: 535
    edited March 2013
    stirling191 wrote: »
    There are multiple ships that absolutely do not belong as T5 Fleet ships.

    This is one of them.

    I agree. But, I don't see why there couldn't be one at a lower tier. Say tier 3, same layout as a tier 3 Heavy Cruiser.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    wildweasal wrote: »
    it pretty simple folks do you want one ...if so what calls would it bee and what would the layout be what tier in the SB etc etc and if you don't want one why not and if not perhaps a sov with the catamaran form of the Miranda? better yet what ship do you want that not a fleet ship yet ?

    The Soyuz class Fleet Variant is an excellent idea.
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  • jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    erm NO! just NO! maybe Fleet Cons but Miranda no no and NO!
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  • nicha0nicha0 Member Posts: 1,456 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    We already have T5 ships that are a complete joke, give it comparable stats to an Aquarius and throw it in there? Nobody will use it and nobody can complain about it
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  • lizweilizwei Member Posts: 936 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    The Soyuz class Fleet Variant is an excellent idea.

    Yeah, let's not only have a T5 fleet version of an obsolete ship, let's have an even more obsolete version of that obsolete ship!

    While we're at it, bring on the Fleet NX and Oberths.
    No wait, I know! Fleet United States space shuttles and Saturn V rockets!
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    stirling191 wrote: »
    There are multiple ships that absolutely do not belong as T5 Fleet ships.

    All the ship skin is, is a visual. There's absolutely no reason to exclude any ships from T5. They can all work fine at that level. The Fleet B'Rel and Fleet Saber and Fleet Nova and Fleet Cheyenne and Fleet Olympic prove this.

    The goal of threads like this is for fans of a specific ship look (in this case the Miranda) to be able to fly that look at the end-game. This is inclusive and good for the game.

    The goal of your post is to be exclusive and keep people from plying one of their favorite ships in the game. That's not good for the game. If a fleet B'Rel can exist at T5, or a fleet Nova, then really there's no reason to restrict anything. There never was a reason to restrict ships. They're all star trek ships. All part of the fleet.

    Let people fly what they like.
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  • kimmymkimmym Member Posts: 1,317 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I don't have any problems with old ships being high end.

    In my mind they are like the VW Beetles. They were an old model car, and every so often they crank out a new run of them that have the same lines but are built like a modern machine.

    The more variety in ship models at end game the better, IMO. Bring on the Connies and Mirandas. Just call it a Fleet Frigate Remake and have at it.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    lizwei wrote: »
    Yeah, let's not only have a T5 fleet version of an obsolete ship, let's have an even more obsolete version of that obsolete ship!

    While we're at it, bring on the Fleet NX and Oberths.
    No wait, I know! Fleet United States space shuttles and Saturn V rockets!

    How is that any different than flying a Saber at T5?
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  • lizweilizwei Member Posts: 936 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    How is that any different than flying a Saber at T5?

    Yes considering a Miranda is a century older.
    Let people fly what they like.

    "Letting people fly what they like" is what has turned Star Trek Online from a continuation of the Star Trek world into a Star Trek theme park where ships are flown with no rhyme or reason.
    Hell I get into so many groups with Jem'hadar ships they might as well rename this to Dominion Online.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    it would make Pug fail STF more canon, and make me look good...Just ask the Defiant. :cool:
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  • mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I could go for a Fleet Miranda... if it was a consumable item that sent out a pair of the ships to flank mine and then blow up when under fire... :P
  • jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    if they kitbashed it maybe but not as it is... maybe the Saratoga look that'll work
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  • cidstormcidstorm Member Posts: 1,220 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    A fleet Centaur would be so glorious, do it cryptic!
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  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    How is that any different than flying a Saber at T5?

    The Saber is the "non-hero" version of the Defiant. They were one of the most successful designs introduced during the Dominion Wars.

    While Mirandas were effectively space red shirts.
  • diogene0diogene0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Well the Miranda class was still used late in the 24th century so why not, but I'd prefer seeing this ship filling a non-combat role, whatever this role is btw. It could be tied to a new kind of gameplay - let's say planetary surveys or whatever new kind of mission we could get.
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  • kimmymkimmym Member Posts: 1,317 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    stirling191 wrote: »
    The Saber is the "non-hero" version of the Defiant. They were one of the most successful designs introduced during the Dominion Wars.

    While Mirandas were effectively space red shirts.

    The way some people fly in ESTF they are already effectively space red shirts, we may as well give them the costume option :cool:
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  • ladydragonfuryladydragonfury Member Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I would love to fly a Fleet Miranda-or even a Fleet ship with a more Miranda-ish look (no, not like the lvl 45 Sci Vessels. Apart from the Sol class, they all look... wrong. In my opinion).

    Make a Fleet Miranda! It's one of my fave ST ships ever. Plus there's always one at every major fight. I saw one once, can't remember where, kind of looked like the Shikahr, but it was definitely from the latter DS9/TNG/VOY timeline so why not? It'd be a retrofit. Like the Galaxy, Ambassador, Intrepid, B'rel and Defiant.
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  • lizweilizwei Member Posts: 936 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    diogene0 wrote: »
    Well the Miranda class was still used late in the 24th century so why not, but I'd prefer seeing this ship filling a non-combat role, whatever this role is btw. It could be tied to a new kind of gameplay - let's say planetary surveys or whatever new kind of mission we could get.

    It was used as cannon fodder.
    Watching DS9's battles, I'm fairly sure the Federation's battle strategy was to clog Jem'hadar cruisers with so much Miranda debris that they'd be more vulnerable to the rest of the fleet.

    Before that in TNG, Mirandas were little more than cargo ships.
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    The Soyuz class Fleet Variant is an excellent idea.

    A Fleet variant of a ship that was explicitly retired from service before Star Trek 6?:confused:
  • kimmymkimmym Member Posts: 1,317 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I would love to fly a Fleet Miranda-or even a Fleet ship with a more Miranda-ish look (no, not like the lvl 45 Sci Vessels. Apart from the Sol class, they all look... wrong. In my opinion).

    Hehe, I actually took the DSSV at 40 because I didn't like how the Luna looked so much from the pictures. It wasn't until I was toying about in a mirror Luna that I discovered she was kinda pretty. Particularly when flying, she had an elegance about her.

    Meh, I never flew the DSSV anyway, I got a D'Kyr instead.
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  • chrismullins1987chrismullins1987 Member Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    All the ship skin is, is a visual. There's absolutely no reason to exclude any ships from T5. They can all work fine at that level. The Fleet B'Rel and Fleet Saber and Fleet Nova and Fleet Cheyenne and Fleet Olympic prove this.

    The goal of threads like this is for fans of a specific ship look (in this case the Miranda) to be able to fly that look at the end-game. This is inclusive and good for the game.

    The goal of your post is to be exclusive and keep people from plying one of their favorite ships in the game. That's not good for the game. If a fleet B'Rel can exist at T5, or a fleet Nova, then really there's no reason to restrict anything. There never was a reason to restrict ships. They're all star trek ships. All part of the fleet.

    Let people fly what they like.
    Did anyone actually suggest it should be a T5 ship???
    Stop getting your panties in a twist.

    A fleet variant of this ship would be good because if memory serves (it often doesn't) you can't buy the Miranda Class ship so once you've discarded it its gone.
    If you look at all the other fleet ships we have why does this one not qualify?
    If featured very heavily in most battle in recent trek lore, especially DS9 battles alongside the Excelsior class which does have a T5 standing in game. Is the Miranda that much older?!
  • kimmymkimmym Member Posts: 1,317 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    They finally added the miranda back for 8k dil, one days grind and you can relive your glory days.

    Edit: Funnily, it was the addition of the Miranda to the ship store that prompted me to discharge mine... I needed the slot and 8k dil isn't much if I want to toy about in her for a day or two...
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  • paragon92518paragon92518 Member Posts: 268
    edited March 2013
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    All the ship skin is, is a visual. There's absolutely no reason to exclude any ships from T5. They can all work fine at that level. Fans of a specific ship look (in this case the Miranda) to be able to fly that look at the end-game. This is inclusive and good for the game.

    You are 100% correct. And might I add the complaining players made when Gecko said the Ambassador would be a T5 ship. The Miranda is no different. While Miranda is certainly *old*... What's the harm in having a T5 Fleet version? That conclusion comes mostly on the notion that the old grandmother Excelsior has no business being a T5 ship. (1) refit Lakota did not mean all Excelsior's were refit to be the best T5 Cruiser in-game.

    Now, with having said that, a Fleet Miranda isn't so far-fetched now is it?
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  • ladydragonfuryladydragonfury Member Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Oh really? Hmm, I'll have to take my Sol out again, put the Luna skin on it and have a look.

    I fly the Mirror Trident now myself. All Borgified it's gone from looking sleek and non-threatening to looking like it's going to destroy other ships simpy by bumping into them with it's deflector XD.

    Cryptic! Make a Fleet Miranda! Please please please!
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  • cedricophoffcedricophoff Member Posts: 153 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    What a silly debate, the only question you should ask yourself is will it make cryptic money? Cuz lets face it, thats their only motivation. Canon is NOT one of them. Just look at people ingame in their giant flying phallus (caitian carrier) and the captains (*cough* i mean admirals) in their black t-shirts with ammunition belts. Lets face it. At this point putting in this kind of nonsense is beating a dead horse. If i had any hope left that people cares, that the devs cared about "pride in the uniform" wich a lot of episodes of trek were about. Then i would object. But i got run over by a crowd of idiots who shout "urmurgurd playable borg" and now im in the dirt bleeding.
  • kimmymkimmym Member Posts: 1,317 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    At risk of being redundant, there is no reason why a t5 Miranda has to be hundreds of years old. It could be a totally new ship built with the same look as a classic. It happens all the time in the car world, why not starships?

    And I like my flying Catian idol to maleness, but to each their own =P
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  • cidstormcidstorm Member Posts: 1,220 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    kimmym wrote: »
    At risk of being redundant, there is no reason why a t5 Miranda has to be hundreds of years old. It could be a totally new ship built with the same look as a classic. It happens all the time in the car world, why not starships?

    And I like my flying Catian idol to maleness, but to each their own =P

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