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Dilithium cap so frustrating

jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
edited March 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
For almost 3 weeks I've been farming dilithium ok not every day but as much as possible as I want a new ship, and I have only exchanged enough for 1574 zen. . .

Anyway any tips anyone on how to get this faster or am I the only one who really wants to scream
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  • lucianazetalucianazeta Member Posts: 740 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Wut

    Zen prices are at an all time low, you must be doing something wrong.
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  • mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    You can spend some of that Zen to get extra character slots and split the dilithium farming across them. Each character has their own 8k refinement allowance.
  • sumghaisumghai Member Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Zen surveys are a good source of income, if you know how to manipulate the questions/responses to your advantage.

    Tagging and breeding Epohhs allows you to earn up to 400 Romulan Marks per Elder Epohh, which can be cashed in for 4000 dilithium.

    Run one or two Infected Space Elites every time you play - you get 1 Borg Neural Processor and 75~115 Omega Marks - five of the former can be cashed in for 1000 dil, whilst every 50 OMs are worth 500 dilithium.

    Investigate Officer Reports are now available every 30 minutes, netting 960 dil per run.
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  • janusforbearejanusforbeare Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I assume that the reason for the dil refining cap is to keep the cost of Zen from skyrocketing. Without the cap, the players who relentlessly farm dil would buy up all the lower priced Zen within a matter of minutes, and casual players would be forced to take up dil farming or risk never having access to a cash free source of C-store currency. Essentially, it would turn the game into more of grind-fest than it currently is.

    That said, I second what's already been said by the other responders. Multiple characters are the way to go - there are easy ways to earn dil on alts (for example, the "Path to 2409" mission, the Q event, certain assignments, etc.). What Sumghai said about the STFs is absolutely true (though I'd extend it to all Omega STFs, not just ISE); you can net 3000+ dil in a single run if you're lucky.
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  • chikahirochikahiro Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    If you've got Contraband, there's a great DOFF mission for you.
    http://samonmaui.blogspot.com/2012/09/low-effort-dilithium-takes-time.html

    5 Contraband + 4 hours + 1 Security Officer = 2,000 Dilithium

    Also, if you have prisoners in your DOFF roster, or have EC to spend? (edit: updated link to newer post with updated numbers)
    http://samonmaui.blogspot.com/2013/02/sto-buying-zen-with-energy-credits-21113.html

    If your goal is to earn something, there's a variety of ways to do it.
    http://samonmaui.blogspot.com/2012/10/sto-multi-prong-advancement.html

    So, spending time to figure out how you can increase your ability to do Dilithium-earning activities will definitely benefit you. As suggested, buying some additional character slots will help. Account storage is very useful as well. Stuff like that. I personally like DOFFs since I can do them during my lunch break, unlike running STFs. Doing both is great as well, since the DOFFs do their thing while you're offline :)
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  • chikahirochikahiro Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    janusforbeare wrote: »
    I assume that the reason for the dil refining cap is to keep the cost of Zen from skyrocketing. Without the cap, the players who relentlessly farm dil would buy up all the lower priced Zen within a matter of minutes, and casual players would be forced to take up dil farming or risk never having access to a cash free source of C-store currency. Essentially, it would turn the game into more of grind-fest than it currently is.

    Its always a fight between "Dilithium is too expensive!" and "Zen is too expensive!" However, I think its also there to reduce the attractiveness of RMT farmers from selling their services. Additionally, its probably there simply to slow us down - how much is Dilithium used for end-game equipment and all that? Nothing like having multiple, varied reasons for something...
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  • blevokblevok Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    people who are farming for ships now have it easy. when i farmed for my defiant retro and ds9 pack, dil was much higher, like 190 i think. it took a while. with the low rate now, you can buy nearly a hundred c-points a day, per character. estf's and officer reports are probably the fastest way. it takes about an hour and a half per character to reach 8k.
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  • jtmarshjtmarsh Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Cap is staying.. Even free games need money. They only put the exchange in because of lock boxes. They wanted to show that you don't have to spend real money to play the "lottery" If not then likely they would of been in legal trouble. Whats good side effect for cryptic is it keeps some people busy;) So... in some way thank lockboxes for the dill and exchange! If not for the exchange.. no zen without real $$$ So deal with the cap! I can buy a key at the rate now every 2 days
  • ranncoreranncore Member Posts: 0
    edited February 2013
    If I buy zen via dilithium in this game, will I be able to use the zen in other cryptic/pwe games?
  • sumghaisumghai Member Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    ranncore wrote: »
    If I buy zen via dilithium in this game, will I be able to use the zen in other cryptic/pwe games?
    No. Zen is bound to whatever game you purchased for / earned them in.
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  • janusforbearejanusforbeare Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    ranncore wrote: »
    If I buy zen via dilithium in this game, will I be able to use the zen in other cryptic/pwe games?

    No. Zen purchased on the exchange is bound to STO.

    EDIT: Aw, ninjaed by sumghai.
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  • twg042370twg042370 Member Posts: 2,312 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    That's right. But Zen purchased regularly can be used across all their games.
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  • ranncoreranncore Member Posts: 0
    edited February 2013
    Kewl thanks for the quick answers
  • supergirl1611supergirl1611 Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    With the crazy amounts of dil required for star base ect projects it would make sense to remove the cap. If they are concerned about people using dil to buy zen and ransack the c-store the cap the amount of zen that can be bought daily using dil
  • khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Hell no, I like that cap. I means I don't have to devote ALL MY TIME farming the bloody things because everyone is being held back by that gateway.

    Circumvent it with alts and dil mining claims.

    What I find really annoying is that said mining claims are BoP!! Why the hell is that. :s

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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I'm not that keen on farming more resources through alts. With the way reputation works, combined with Starbases and Embassies, it's just so much to do on one character, turning around and doing it all over again on five or six? It's too much like work at that point.

    I have alts. But I play all of my characters, main and alts included, for fun. So I'm just not that dedicated to resource gathering. I try to focus that on the main character and just goof off with the alts. It slows down the entire process. So like my alts do get dilithium and what not. But not in any efficient manner.
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  • starwheelerstarwheeler Member Posts: 293 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Hi! this is probably not the first time this is request, but could criptic consider to increase the amount of dilithium refine daily, why cant we just get what we work for? if i spend 4 hours to get 15000 dil, i should be capable to refine it all after all, i did work to get it
  • tc10btc10b Member Posts: 1,549 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    You're right, it's not the first time it's been asked. The developers have said that not enough people make their daily cap at the moment to justify increasing the cap but they will consider it in the future.

    Soon (tm) in other words.
  • starwheelerstarwheeler Member Posts: 293 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Hey thx for that quick reply i am glad to know they are at it tx again
  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,207 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    The cap doesn't bother me for equipment and such.
    What bothers me is the unrefined dilithium has no value.
    Why can't we use unrefined for the starbase construction?
    Should I start posting again after all this time?
  • grouchyotakugrouchyotaku Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    chalpen wrote: »
    The cap doesn't bother me for equipment and such.
    What bothers me is the unrefined dilithium has no value.
    Why can't we use unrefined for the starbase construction?
    Because this would have a huge inflationary impact on the perceived value of Dilithium. Fleet Base Projects are intended to be Dilithium sinks to improve the value of Dilithium. And looking at the Dilithium Exchange prices, it appears its working as intended...
  • chaz200565chaz200565 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I saw it somewhere that cryptic are keeping the dilithium cap at 8000,because if it was risen or scrapped,they would lose money. They want more players to actually buy zen with real cash.They know very well,that saving and converting dil to zen would take ages to for example buy one of those new ships.So the cap stays,to try to get you to use real cash instead.
    Basically they are real money mad,and will try to get more money in anyway they can.
    So much for F2P.
  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,207 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    chaz200565 wrote: »
    I saw it somewhere that cryptic are keeping the dilithium cap at 8000,because if it was risen or scrapped,they would lose money. They want more players to actually buy zen with real cash.They know very well,that saving and converting dil to zen would take ages to for example buy one of those new ships.So the cap stays,to try to get you to use real cash instead.
    Basically they are real money mad,and will try to get more money in anyway they can.
    So much for F2P.

    Would the price rise that much? Dilithium itself, refined or unrefined still would have a value
    Should I start posting again after all this time?
  • grouchyotakugrouchyotaku Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    chalpen wrote: »
    Would the price rise that much? Dilithium itself, refined or unrefined still would have a value
    Before the start of the Fleet Starbase & Personal Rep systems, Zen was always in the 200 - 300 Dilithium range. Today Zen has stayed in the 80 - 95 Dilithium range for an extended period. For those who are producing Dilithium, were seeing greater value for Dilithium then any previous period in the history of STO.

    If unrefined Dilithium was used for Rep and Fleet projects, effectively removing the refining cap limits for them, we'd see the value of Dilithium drop below the previous lows, forcing a tremendous loss of value for Dilithium producers.
  • twg042370twg042370 Member Posts: 2,312 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    chalpen wrote: »
    Would the price rise that much? Dilithium itself, refined or unrefined still would have a value

    There is already an excess of dilithium in the game. Should the caps be removed there will be even more of it. Not just because of the amount, but also because the dilithium sinks would be finished astoundingly quickly.
    chaz200565 wrote:
    So much for F2P.

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  • crownvic2doorcrownvic2door Member Posts: 301 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I can safely say that I have NEVER bought zen to trade for dil, Nor will I EVER buy zen to trade for dil. I only use it to unlock features, ships, more characters, stuff like that. and I'm positive that much of the player base does the same thing.
  • kdawgenigmakdawgenigma Member Posts: 300 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    tc10b wrote: »
    You're right, it's not the first time it's been asked. The developers have said that not enough people make their daily cap at the moment to justify increasing the cap but they will consider it in the future.

    Soon (tm) in other words.

    I, too, have seen this response. It comes across as the political correct nice way of saying we want to keep it where it's at to drag things out as long as possible.
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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    8000 is such a weird number, we know it wasn't pulled out of the air as some random number to test with. There was a formulation of some kind that spit out a number somewhere close to 8k. We dont know what that formulation involved, but I am pretty sure that zen conversion was one of the factors. IE, you can buy a ship for 90k dil, means you grind 8k per day for 12 days running, or you give the CC number now. Just seems unlikely that they would suddenly remove the cap, there would be a lot of zen item sales and no revenue.
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  • chaz200565chaz200565 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I currently have an excess of 68 BNP's and 107 mining claims.
    It would be nice to use all these to get refined dilithium,but i can't due to this stupid silly rule of 8000 a day.
    8000 a day is NOT enough. Devs do something about this problem now.
    The current dilithium cap is unjust and its unfair.
    Please either substantially raise it or scrap it altogether.
    It is an inconvenient nuisance and holds up being able to complete projects.
  • defalusdefalus Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    chaz200565 wrote: »
    It is an inconvenient nuisance and holds up being able to complete projects.

    ...and possibly makes people consider turning to buying Zen to convert to Dilithium so they can meet their daily Dilithium needs.;)

    I think Cryptic is happy with how it is.
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