Would you send a vessel other than your Flagship to meet the Chancellor of the Klingon Empire? The E was not only the most advanced ship in the fleet at the time of her commissioning, she was also the ship used for important diplomatic missions and meetings. That is evident that she too, was a flagship. As for the F, she was rushed into service for the battle to retake DS9. They mentioned during the anniversary event that the F was not fully spaceworthy at the time. When you are fighting a fleet of 2800 Dominion warships, you are going to need the most advanced and most powerful ships at your disposal and the new Flagship certainly fits that description. She was also the first "modern" Odyssey class ship with an Aquarius class escort and detachable saucer section. While destroying the 2800 Dominion warships, the F sustained heavy damage and had to put in at spacedock for weeks. It makes sense that you would rarely see her. Besides, she's the Federation flagship. She must have more important things to do than to babysit the player.
Trust me, I believe in my own "head-canon" that the Enterprise has always been the Flagship going back to the NX-01, it makes sense, especially with the points you just made. My only point is that the word "flagship" was only ever used on screen to describe two ships, the D and the JJprise. And there are a lot of gaps between Enterprises where there was either no flagship or another ship was it.
I suppose it all comes down to which meaning of flagship you go by, star trek uses a strange ( to me ) way of identifying its flagships , seeing as in Naval terms any ship commanded by an admiral becomes a flagship.
While its mentioned many times in TNG that the Enterprise is the flagship of the fleet , it isnt the ONLY flagship , the term seems to float around a lot , with some ships being designated as flagships due to having an admiral on-board , while others leaders of a particular battle group ( Defiant )
As far as Enterprise is concerned the practice began likely with the 1701-A , being the first Enterprise to be commanded by an Admiral and it became tradition
I suppose it all comes down to which meaning of flagship you go by, star trek uses a strange ( to me ) way of identifying its flagships , seeing as in Naval terms any ship commanded by an admiral becomes a flagship.
While its mentioned many times in TNG that the Enterprise is the flagship of the fleet , it isnt the ONLY flagship , the term seems to float around a lot , with some ships being designated as flagships due to having an admiral on-board , while others leaders of a particular battle group ( Defiant )
As far as Enterprise is concerned the practice began likely with the 1701-A , being the first Enterprise to be commanded by an Admiral and it became tradition
No, the 1701 was the first to be commanded by an Admiral. TMP, command was taken away from Deker and given to Kirk for a special mission. Kirk was demoted before given command of the 1701-A.
I found this video whilst looking for information on Connie's. It is pretty neat and worth the watch - now can I have a Tier 5 Fleet Connie please?! lol
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I suppose it all comes down to which meaning of flagship you go by, star trek uses a strange ( to me ) way of identifying its flagships , seeing as in Naval terms any ship commanded by an admiral becomes a flagship.
While its mentioned many times in TNG that the Enterprise is the flagship of the fleet , it isnt the ONLY flagship , the term seems to float around a lot , with some ships being designated as flagships due to having an admiral on-board , while others leaders of a particular battle group ( Defiant )
Was kinda thinking about that as well earlier. I'm by no means a naval expert, but just in looking up stuff, it seems like Earth navies have not traditionally had just one flagship, but essentially you have your fleet broken up into task forces (sometimes called fleets) with one flagship per task force - the ship from which the flag officer commands the task force. But then again the Creators only loosely based Starfleet on terrestrial navies, so the "rules" may be different.
No, the 1701 was the first to be commanded by an Admiral. TMP, command was taken away from Deker and given to Kirk for a special mission. Kirk was demoted before given command of the 1701-A.
yeah i had a brain TRIBBLE , meant the refit not 1701-A
Was kinda thinking about that as well earlier. I'm by no means a naval expert, but just in looking up stuff, it seems like Earth navies have not traditionally had just one flagship, but essentially you have your fleet broken up into task forces (sometimes called fleets) with one flagship per task force - the ship from which the flag officer commands the task force. But then again the Creators only loosely based Starfleet on terrestrial navies, so the "rules" may be different.
Flagship has two connotations. One is like you mention the ship the flag officer of a fleet has his command on. The other is that of being the most important of a group. The USS Enteprise NCC-1701 is that for the Federation. It's the best ship, the best captain and best and brightness of Starfleet that can muster as her crew.
Trust me, I believe in my own "head-canon" that the Enterprise has always been the Flagship going back to the NX-01, it makes sense, especially with the points you just made. My only point is that the word "flagship" was only ever used on screen to describe two ships, the D and the JJprise. And there are a lot of gaps between Enterprises where there was either no flagship or another ship was it.
You are not a Trek fan or you would know that anything done when Gene was alive and creator/producer is canon.That ship is not canon and nither is that show.
This is why JJs Star Trek is not canon
I said what I said about the earning and I know I ma right if you debated with me again without me looking at my last post.You sure don't know much about the franchise or what went on.There are Starfleet Battle fans who aren't hard core fans of the shows that know more than you.
I can't prove the evidence because it is in print not on the net.Not eveything is on the net you know.
btw to all the Enterprise is not the flagship just one of the Stars as Gene didn't want it that way.it is like the General Lee of the Dukes of Hazard.
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Well, you know, that was made a bit before the series Enterprise started. And I think I did read somewhere there is a special edition that may have put the NX in there (not sure on that).
The NX-01 is considered Cannon in STO. She is included in the list of ships named Enterprise in the Starbase lobby.
I'm agreeing with you. The NX is canon. It was mentioned in These are the Voyages, which is set during the episode Pegasus, which means the NX did exist in the original timeline.
Of course the Directors edition wouldn't. I can't remember which version it was, or even if it did actually happen, it was just a rumour I heard. But saying the NX was not canon because it was not in a scene filmed 30 years before the show was created is rediculous.
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I suppose it all comes down to which meaning of flagship you go by, star trek uses a strange ( to me ) way of identifying its flagships , seeing as in Naval terms any ship commanded by an admiral becomes a flagship.
Not commanded by a flag officer, the only thing that makes a flagship a flagship in Naval terminology is that there is a flag officer is aboard (preferably they're acting in some official status, but all it takes for a ship to become a flagship is for a flag officer to step on the deck). They don't command the ship, the Captain does.
Also, you'll note that in TMP, when "Admiral" Kirk takes command of the Enterprise from "Captain" Decker (about 20 minutes into the movie, right before Rand turns CDR Son'ek into a ball of mangled Silly Putty in the transporter*), he tells Decker he is being "temporarily" reduced in rank back down to Commander. For the rest of the movie, we see Decker wearing Commander stripes.
We also see for the rest of the movie that Kirk is wearing Captain stripes instead of his Admiral rank. He stepped down from being a flag officer to take command of Enterprise.
In ST:II, we see that Kirk is an Admiral again, but in this movie Captain Spock is the CO of Enterprise, not Kirk. Kirk is only aboard to observe the cadet/midshipman cruise. Spock "defers" to Kirk, but does not technically take command, until well... Spock dies (spoiler alert?), and even then, it's only to take Enterprise back to spacedock.
In ST:III, Kirk becomes a fugitive and is not acting as a member of starfleet. Not only does he steal a cruiser, he gets it destroyed. He has for all intents and purposes abandoned his post.
In ST:IV, Kirk is still a fugitive until he returns from the '80's with a couple whales and a stolen BoP to save Earth from a giant space tetherball. For this action, starfleet decides to spare Kirk from the capital punishment for stealing and destroying one of their cruisers and instead reinstate his status as a starfleet officer with a permanent reduction in rank to Captain.
Kirk was never in official command of Enterprise as an Admiral.
*...and so ends ex-Yeoman Rand's short-lived career change as a Transporter Technician.
You are not a Trek fan or you would know that anything done when Gene was alive and creator/producer is canon.That ship is not canon and nither is that show.
This is why JJs Star Trek is not canon
I said what I said about the earning and I know I ma right if you debated with me again without me looking at my last post.You sure don't know much about the franchise or what went on.There are Starfleet Battle fans who aren't hard core fans of the shows that know more than you.
I can't prove the evidence because it is in print not on the net.Not eveything is on the net you know.
btw to all the Enterprise is not the flagship just one of the Stars as Gene didn't want it that way.it is like the General Lee of the Dukes of Hazard.
Are you saying that Generations, Insurrection, Nemesis, DS9 and Voyager were not cannon?! Dude, are you high? The continuity runs from TOS all the way to Voyager. And Gene was already dead when the D rescued Scotty. Are you saying that was not cannon either? And Spocks reunification quest? Dude, you just erased over half of the Treck universe and history. Again, are you high?
In ST:IV, Kirk is still a fugitive until he returns from the '80's with a couple whales and a stolen BoP to save Earth from a giant space tetherball. For this action, starfleet decides to spare Kirk from the capital punishment for stealing and destroying one of their cruisers and instead reinstate his status as a starfleet officer with a permanent reduction in rank to Captain.
Kirk was never in official command of Enterprise as an Admiral.
I don't recall stealing a Starship to be a death penalty worthy offense.
You are not a Trek fan or you would know that anything done when Gene was alive and creator/producer is canon.That ship is not canon and nither is that show.
This is why JJs Star Trek is not canon
I said what I said about the earning and I know I ma right if you debated with me again without me looking at my last post.You sure don't know much about the franchise or what went on.There are Starfleet Battle fans who aren't hard core fans of the shows that know more than you.
I can't prove the evidence because it is in print not on the net.Not eveything is on the net you know.
btw to all the Enterprise is not the flagship just one of the Stars as Gene didn't want it that way.it is like the General Lee of the Dukes of Hazard.
I just realized something. By your definition, this whole argument is moot. The B, E, and F were not created until after his death. Therefore, by your definition, none of these ships would be cannon. Which is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in this forum.
I don't recall stealing a Starship to be a death penalty worthy offense.
Naval ships are considered sovereign territory of the government they belong to. Kirk stole a piece of Federation territory and was responsible for its destruction. Not only did he abandon his post, his actions could have been considered an act of treason against the UFP. It's not like he's a kid sneaking his car out after daddy grounded him and took away his keys.
Naval ships are considered sovereign territory of the government they belong to. Kirk stole a piece of Federation territory and was responsible for its destruction. Not only did he abandon his post, his actions could have been considered an act of treason against the UFP. It's not like he's a kid sneaking his car out after daddy grounded him and took away his keys.
I think you're missing the part where AFAWK the only Death Penalty in the Federation is going to the Talos system.
I think you're missing the part where AFAWK the only Death Penalty in the Federation is going to the Talos system.
Besides, how often has the Federation actually executed anyone? The Marquis committed armed rebellion against the Federation, but captured Marquis were not executed. The Admiral that tried to overthrow the government was guilty of high treason, but he was not executed either. And the Female changeling was guilty of war crimes and genocide against various races. By 2409 she was still sitting in her cell. The Federation does not kill it's prisoners. That sort of dishonorable TRIBBLE is left to the Romulans, Dominion, and Klingons.
Not commanded by a flag officer, the only thing that makes a flagship a flagship in Naval terminology is that there is a flag officer is aboard (preferably they're acting in some official status, but all it takes for a ship to become a flagship is for a flag officer to step on the deck). They don't command the ship, the Captain does.
Also, you'll note that in TMP, when "Admiral" Kirk takes command of the Enterprise from "Captain" Decker (about 20 minutes into the movie, right before Rand turns CDR Son'ek into a ball of mangled Silly Putty in the transporter*), he tells Decker he is being "temporarily" reduced in rank back down to Commander. For the rest of the movie, we see Decker wearing Commander stripes.
We also see for the rest of the movie that Kirk is wearing Captain stripes instead of his Admiral rank. He stepped down from being a flag officer to take command of Enterprise.
In ST:II, we see that Kirk is an Admiral again, but in this movie Captain Spock is the CO of Enterprise, not Kirk. Kirk is only aboard to observe the cadet/midshipman cruise. Spock "defers" to Kirk, but does not technically take command, until well... Spock dies (spoiler alert?), and even then, it's only to take Enterprise back to spacedock.
In ST:III, Kirk becomes a fugitive and is not acting as a member of starfleet. Not only does he steal a cruiser, he gets it destroyed. He has for all intents and purposes abandoned his post.
In ST:IV, Kirk is still a fugitive until he returns from the '80's with a couple whales and a stolen BoP to save Earth from a giant space tetherball. For this action, starfleet decides to spare Kirk from the capital punishment for stealing and destroying one of their cruisers and instead reinstate his status as a starfleet officer with a permanent reduction in rank to Captain.
Kirk was never in official command of Enterprise as an Admiral.
*...and so ends ex-Yeoman Rand's short-lived career change as a Transporter Technician.
Yet, he was still referred to as Admiral. I think Kirk took the I am captain of the ship, the role too seriously to the point he temporarily degraded himself to Captain, rank.
You are not a Trek fan or you would know that anything done when Gene was alive and creator/producer is canon.That ship is not canon and nither is that show.
This is why JJs Star Trek is not canon
I said what I said about the earning and I know I ma right if you debated with me again without me looking at my last post.You sure don't know much about the franchise or what went on.There are Starfleet Battle fans who aren't hard core fans of the shows that know more than you.
I can't prove the evidence because it is in print not on the net.Not eveything is on the net you know.
btw to all the Enterprise is not the flagship just one of the Stars as Gene didn't want it that way.it is like the General Lee of the Dukes of Hazard.
I really must thank you. You've provided me and my friends with much entertainment.
Not a Trek fan? Look in the mirror sir. No true Trek fan would seek to exclude anyone else from being Trek fans just because they don't subscribe to a narrow interpretation of "canon." The spirit of Star Trek is an inclusive one. People of different races and cultures working together for the benefit of all. Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. You, sir, obviously do not understand that concept. I love all of Star Trek from "The Cage" to "Star Trek Into Darkness" and everything in between. True Trek fans respect that even if they disagree with it.
And did you notice how you contradicted yourself? Earlier you were harping on about how Data was dead, because his death was on screen in the movie and therefor canon. But wait, Nemesis was made many, many years after Gene's death, so how, by your definition, can it be canon?
I've still yet to see any evidence to back up any of your claims. What publication are you citing? What was the publication date? What was the issue number? Who was the author? What were the numbers? What experts did they quote? And btw, I tweeted Michael Okuda and asked him if the TNG movies made money. I think we'd agree he'd be in a position to know. He said, quite simply, "yes." Is that unequivocal proof? No. But it is interesting.
Back on topic: I think eldarion79 is right. Kirk probably goes in for that naval tradition that says "Any officer that commands a ship is a 'captain' no matter what their permanent rank, and there can only be one 'captain' on a ship."
You are not a Trek fan or you would know that anything done when Gene was alive and creator/producer is canon.That ship is not canon and nither is that show.
Not a Trek fan? Look in the mirror sir. No true Trek fan would seek to exclude anyone else from being Trek fans just because they don't subscribe to a narrow interpretation of "canon."
I really must thank you. You've provided me and my friends with much entertainment.
Not a Trek fan? Look in the mirror sir. No true Trek fan would seek to exclude anyone else from being Trek fans just because they don't subscribe to a narrow interpretation of "canon." The spirit of Star Trek is an inclusive one. People of different races and cultures working together for the benefit of all. Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. You, sir, obviously do not understand that concept. I love all of Star Trek from "The Cage" to "Star Trek Into Darkness" and everything in between. True Trek fans respect that even if they disagree with it.
And did you notice how you contradicted yourself? Earlier you were harping on about how Data was dead, because his death was on screen in the movie and therefor canon. But wait, Nemesis was made many, many years after Gene's death, so how, by your definition, can it be canon?
I've still yet to see any evidence to back up any of your claims. What publication are you citing? What was the publication date? What was the issue number? Who was the author? What were the numbers? What experts did they quote? And btw, I tweeted Michael Okuda and asked him if the TNG movies made money. I think we'd agree he'd be in a position to know. He said, quite simply, "yes." Is that unequivocal proof? No. But it is interesting.
Back on topic: I think eldarion79 is right. Kirk probably goes in for that naval tradition that says "Any officer that commands a ship is a 'captain' no matter what their permanent rank, and there can only be one 'captain' on a ship."
That maybe your thinkng but it as not all Trek fan agree with one another.I didn't contractict myself as he gave blessing for the TNG but not Enterprise.
I don't need to give out my sources as they wiedely avaible on Star Trek Gamers if you would just go and do some searching.It seems your are to lazey to and the publications that close 20 years ago.You think I can go out and get those that have now who nows where.
Why would I be an Administator on the oldest fansite on the net if I didn't know any of this it is all there.you are going to have to go look hotlinking is forbidden.
btw there is not flagship and the Enterprise is not the flag ship as Kirk never referred to it that way.Picard may have said but in true it isn't as it has no Fleet Admiral on board.when it comes to the modern Navey a 5 star Admirlae must be abourd in oder to call it that.
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Are you saying that Generations, Insurrection, Nemesis, DS9 and Voyager were not cannon?! Dude, are you high? The continuity runs from TOS all the way to Voyager. And Gene was already dead when the D rescued Scotty. Are you saying that was not cannon either? And Spocks reunification quest? Dude, you just erased over half of the Treck universe and history. Again, are you high?
I ma only referring to the show Enterprise it is not canon.
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Trust me, I believe in my own "head-canon" that the Enterprise has always been the Flagship going back to the NX-01, it makes sense, especially with the points you just made. My only point is that the word "flagship" was only ever used on screen to describe two ships, the D and the JJprise. And there are a lot of gaps between Enterprises where there was either no flagship or another ship was it.
While its mentioned many times in TNG that the Enterprise is the flagship of the fleet , it isnt the ONLY flagship , the term seems to float around a lot , with some ships being designated as flagships due to having an admiral on-board , while others leaders of a particular battle group ( Defiant )
As far as Enterprise is concerned the practice began likely with the 1701-A , being the first Enterprise to be commanded by an Admiral and it became tradition
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No, the 1701 was the first to be commanded by an Admiral. TMP, command was taken away from Deker and given to Kirk for a special mission. Kirk was demoted before given command of the 1701-A.
:rolleyes:
Was kinda thinking about that as well earlier. I'm by no means a naval expert, but just in looking up stuff, it seems like Earth navies have not traditionally had just one flagship, but essentially you have your fleet broken up into task forces (sometimes called fleets) with one flagship per task force - the ship from which the flag officer commands the task force. But then again the Creators only loosely based Starfleet on terrestrial navies, so the "rules" may be different.
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Flagship has two connotations. One is like you mention the ship the flag officer of a fleet has his command on. The other is that of being the most important of a group. The USS Enteprise NCC-1701 is that for the Federation. It's the best ship, the best captain and best and brightness of Starfleet that can muster as her crew.
You are not a Trek fan or you would know that anything done when Gene was alive and creator/producer is canon.That ship is not canon and nither is that show.
This is why JJs Star Trek is not canon
I said what I said about the earning and I know I ma right if you debated with me again without me looking at my last post.You sure don't know much about the franchise or what went on.There are Starfleet Battle fans who aren't hard core fans of the shows that know more than you.
I can't prove the evidence because it is in print not on the net.Not eveything is on the net you know.
btw to all the Enterprise is not the flagship just one of the Stars as Gene didn't want it that way.it is like the General Lee of the Dukes of Hazard.
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Not commanded by a flag officer, the only thing that makes a flagship a flagship in Naval terminology is that there is a flag officer is aboard (preferably they're acting in some official status, but all it takes for a ship to become a flagship is for a flag officer to step on the deck). They don't command the ship, the Captain does.
Also, you'll note that in TMP, when "Admiral" Kirk takes command of the Enterprise from "Captain" Decker (about 20 minutes into the movie, right before Rand turns CDR Son'ek into a ball of mangled Silly Putty in the transporter*), he tells Decker he is being "temporarily" reduced in rank back down to Commander. For the rest of the movie, we see Decker wearing Commander stripes.
We also see for the rest of the movie that Kirk is wearing Captain stripes instead of his Admiral rank. He stepped down from being a flag officer to take command of Enterprise.
In ST:II, we see that Kirk is an Admiral again, but in this movie Captain Spock is the CO of Enterprise, not Kirk. Kirk is only aboard to observe the cadet/midshipman cruise. Spock "defers" to Kirk, but does not technically take command, until well... Spock dies (spoiler alert?), and even then, it's only to take Enterprise back to spacedock.
In ST:III, Kirk becomes a fugitive and is not acting as a member of starfleet. Not only does he steal a cruiser, he gets it destroyed. He has for all intents and purposes abandoned his post.
In ST:IV, Kirk is still a fugitive until he returns from the '80's with a couple whales and a stolen BoP to save Earth from a giant space tetherball. For this action, starfleet decides to spare Kirk from the capital punishment for stealing and destroying one of their cruisers and instead reinstate his status as a starfleet officer with a permanent reduction in rank to Captain.
Kirk was never in official command of Enterprise as an Admiral.
*...and so ends ex-Yeoman Rand's short-lived career change as a Transporter Technician.
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Are you saying that Generations, Insurrection, Nemesis, DS9 and Voyager were not cannon?! Dude, are you high? The continuity runs from TOS all the way to Voyager. And Gene was already dead when the D rescued Scotty. Are you saying that was not cannon either? And Spocks reunification quest? Dude, you just erased over half of the Treck universe and history. Again, are you high?
I don't recall stealing a Starship to be a death penalty worthy offense.
I just realized something. By your definition, this whole argument is moot. The B, E, and F were not created until after his death. Therefore, by your definition, none of these ships would be cannon. Which is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in this forum.
Anyways, age03 wrote himself into a hole there.
Naval ships are considered sovereign territory of the government they belong to. Kirk stole a piece of Federation territory and was responsible for its destruction. Not only did he abandon his post, his actions could have been considered an act of treason against the UFP. It's not like he's a kid sneaking his car out after daddy grounded him and took away his keys.
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I think you're missing the part where AFAWK the only Death Penalty in the Federation is going to the Talos system.
Besides, how often has the Federation actually executed anyone? The Marquis committed armed rebellion against the Federation, but captured Marquis were not executed. The Admiral that tried to overthrow the government was guilty of high treason, but he was not executed either. And the Female changeling was guilty of war crimes and genocide against various races. By 2409 she was still sitting in her cell. The Federation does not kill it's prisoners. That sort of dishonorable TRIBBLE is left to the Romulans, Dominion, and Klingons.
Yet, he was still referred to as Admiral. I think Kirk took the I am captain of the ship, the role too seriously to the point he temporarily degraded himself to Captain, rank.
I really must thank you. You've provided me and my friends with much entertainment.
Not a Trek fan? Look in the mirror sir. No true Trek fan would seek to exclude anyone else from being Trek fans just because they don't subscribe to a narrow interpretation of "canon." The spirit of Star Trek is an inclusive one. People of different races and cultures working together for the benefit of all. Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. You, sir, obviously do not understand that concept. I love all of Star Trek from "The Cage" to "Star Trek Into Darkness" and everything in between. True Trek fans respect that even if they disagree with it.
And did you notice how you contradicted yourself? Earlier you were harping on about how Data was dead, because his death was on screen in the movie and therefor canon. But wait, Nemesis was made many, many years after Gene's death, so how, by your definition, can it be canon?
I've still yet to see any evidence to back up any of your claims. What publication are you citing? What was the publication date? What was the issue number? Who was the author? What were the numbers? What experts did they quote? And btw, I tweeted Michael Okuda and asked him if the TNG movies made money. I think we'd agree he'd be in a position to know. He said, quite simply, "yes." Is that unequivocal proof? No. But it is interesting.
Back on topic: I think eldarion79 is right. Kirk probably goes in for that naval tradition that says "Any officer that commands a ship is a 'captain' no matter what their permanent rank, and there can only be one 'captain' on a ship."
"No True Scotsman" fallacy.
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That maybe your thinkng but it as not all Trek fan agree with one another.I didn't contractict myself as he gave blessing for the TNG but not Enterprise.
I don't need to give out my sources as they wiedely avaible on Star Trek Gamers if you would just go and do some searching.It seems your are to lazey to and the publications that close 20 years ago.You think I can go out and get those that have now who nows where.
Why would I be an Administator on the oldest fansite on the net if I didn't know any of this it is all there.you are going to have to go look hotlinking is forbidden.
btw there is not flagship and the Enterprise is not the flag ship as Kirk never referred to it that way.Picard may have said but in true it isn't as it has no Fleet Admiral on board.when it comes to the modern Navey a 5 star Admirlae must be abourd in oder to call it that.
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I ma only referring to the show Enterprise it is not canon.
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