If you can rotate EPTS and EPTA with engi slot left over on the vesta you have the possibility for something dangerous. No 125+ in any categorys but you can get really close to 100 in weps shields and aux with the maco shield if your drawing fire. You wont make anyone remember your name for scorching DPS but, hats a hell of an impressive DPS for a sci healer.
The thing is, that's basically where cruisers are already. They are fully capable of chaining EPtS and EPtA, with 3 Eng slots left over, not just one, and if it's a Star Cruiser then it has 3 Sci slots too. Remember that the Sci heals only go up to LtC, so unless you put the Ens on Sci the Vesta will have 3 Sci slots usable for heals as well. Now, the DPS may work out to be in the Vesta's favor because it can use cannons and has SA, but not by all that much, and the cruiser will be tougher and have more heals to give away.
Everyone keeps saying that the Vesta is OP, but it's only OP compared to other Sci ships, which are severely underpowered relative to the other types, which the Vesta can just about break even with.
Anyway, whoever gets to test the Vesta please tell us stats on the console abilities, slipstream boost, and inertia rating. We're all very anxious to hear.
3 cannons + SA means escort levels of frontal DPS, especially with pets thrown in. You'll lose a littile from the lack of tactical skills. But not great gobs, and frankly i'd expect pets to make that up too.In turn you still have acess to full blown sci capabilities alongside standard sci helaing levels.
A cruiser with it's beam array's is a littieral country mile behind this in DPS terms and dosen't have half the science capabilities.
From what I hear, it handles like a Recon, just that much more potent.
However, any properly built escort will out dps this lady. The Armitage can't match fighter for fighter, but the mainboard cannons will shred targets much faster than the Vesta.
Cruisers will out-tank the Vesta. You cannot take being focus-fired without having invested the number of eng slots required. And by then you'd miss out on some of the more higher-end cruiser healing powers.
The Vesta really is what it says on the tin: a multi-mission science vessel. You build her for hybrid roles. DPS/heal is easier to do, dps/control as well. But a cruiser will outheal her and an escort will out-dps her.
And as usual the JHAB will bend her over and TRIBBLE her just the same.
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However, any properly built escort will out dps this lady. The Armitage can't match fighter for fighter, but the mainboard cannons will shred targets much faster than the Vesta.
With the exception of the armatige i don't see how they can. Pets may not be OMG levels of DPS, but they're at least as potent as aft turrets. So this thing with Sensor analysis should have no issues hitting the same base DPS numbers. Might not keep up with abilities in, depends on how much the pets add over and above the turrets, but it's not going to be a significant drop off any way you look at it. The catch of course is that as you note it can't tank at the same time as that. Especially if it wants sci abilities.
However, any properly built escort will out dps this lady. The Armitage can't match fighter for fighter, but the mainboard cannons will shred targets much faster than the Vesta.
The average escort will be better at AoE(either an extra heavy cannon or a torp for TS & CV), for single target I doubt there is a significant difference. Especially on fights that last a fair amount of time.
The fact is she will come very close, she will be able to put up huge numbers north of 7-8k, and she'll be able to do it while having outstanding control, survivability, and mobility.
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I just saw her at ESD. Well done STO! She looks just like Rademaker's designs. If you still need someone to put her through her paces, just let me know.
With the exception of the armatige i don't see how they can. Pets may not be OMG levels of DPS, but they're at least as potent as aft turrets. So this thing with Sensor analysis should have no issues hitting the same base DPS numbers. Might not keep up with abilities in, depends on how much the pets add over and above the turrets, but it's not going to be a significant drop off any way you look at it.
First, you're severely overestimating sensor analysis. It's not bad, and against gates and tac cubes or in PvP it might be a real factor, but most of the time in PvE you just don't get the time for it to stack up that much, and it has no effect on secondary targets if you're using AoE abilities. It's already pretty safe to ignore it with a Fleet Recon Sci, throw in the DHCs to speed kills and it's not going to be noticeable.
You also can't talk DPS without looking at abilities. According to the Starship Weapons Calculator even an escort won't get much above 3.5k DPS without abilities, and 4k is sort of the minimum that's acceptable for an Escort build. I've even heard of people measuring 13k with Gurambas. You get there with abilities, mainly tac abilities, and the Vesta will max out at 1 less of those than an escort, with only 1 instead of 2-3 at LtC or higher. Also, if you go that route EPtS takes up all your eng abilities, which means most of your 4 sci abilities have to be heals. Ultimately, the Vesta will not quite match an escort by trying to imitate one.
Cruisers get their DPS from chaining EPtS and EPtW, which lets them keep all their power levels very high without sacrificing tanking or other damage dealing abilities. To chain both of those the Vesta would need to put the LtC on Eng, and that means it doesn't get the DPS boost from heavy tac abilities and has to devote as many sci abilities as possible to heals, putting it in a cruiser ballpark, maybe with a little more DPS and a little less durability.
Yes, the Vesta is absolutely more powerful than other sci ships, but when you really get into the nitty gritty of trying to build it, it's not superior to current escorts and cruisers, just different.
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The thing is, that's basically where cruisers are already. They are fully capable of chaining EPtS and EPtA, with 3 Eng slots left over, not just one, and if it's a Star Cruiser then it has 3 Sci slots too. Remember that the Sci heals only go up to LtC, so unless you put the Ens on Sci the Vesta will have 3 Sci slots usable for heals as well. Now, the DPS may work out to be in the Vesta's favor because it can use cannons and has SA, but not by all that much, and the cruiser will be tougher and have more heals to give away.
Everyone keeps saying that the Vesta is OP, but it's only OP compared to other Sci ships, which are severely underpowered relative to the other types, which the Vesta can just about break even with.
Anyway, whoever gets to test the Vesta please tell us stats on the console abilities, slipstream boost, and inertia rating. We're all very anxious to hear.
3 cannons + SA means escort levels of frontal DPS, especially with pets thrown in. You'll lose a littile from the lack of tactical skills. But not great gobs, and frankly i'd expect pets to make that up too.In turn you still have acess to full blown sci capabilities alongside standard sci helaing levels.
A cruiser with it's beam array's is a littieral country mile behind this in DPS terms and dosen't have half the science capabilities.
However, any properly built escort will out dps this lady. The Armitage can't match fighter for fighter, but the mainboard cannons will shred targets much faster than the Vesta.
Cruisers will out-tank the Vesta. You cannot take being focus-fired without having invested the number of eng slots required. And by then you'd miss out on some of the more higher-end cruiser healing powers.
The Vesta really is what it says on the tin: a multi-mission science vessel. You build her for hybrid roles. DPS/heal is easier to do, dps/control as well. But a cruiser will outheal her and an escort will out-dps her.
And as usual the JHAB will bend her over and TRIBBLE her just the same.
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With the exception of the armatige i don't see how they can. Pets may not be OMG levels of DPS, but they're at least as potent as aft turrets. So this thing with Sensor analysis should have no issues hitting the same base DPS numbers. Might not keep up with abilities in, depends on how much the pets add over and above the turrets, but it's not going to be a significant drop off any way you look at it. The catch of course is that as you note it can't tank at the same time as that. Especially if it wants sci abilities.
The average escort will be better at AoE(either an extra heavy cannon or a torp for TS & CV), for single target I doubt there is a significant difference. Especially on fights that last a fair amount of time.
The fact is she will come very close, she will be able to put up huge numbers north of 7-8k, and she'll be able to do it while having outstanding control, survivability, and mobility.
Ummm this is my second post ever on STO...so whilst my fingers are crossed, I wont hold my breath
I've been playing games since the 70's, possess the necessary high end hardware and software for testing on...am a HUGE Trekker!
I possess an excellent command of the English language....Do I sound desperate enough?? LOL...oh and a sense of humour!!
Please pick me!
PS: I can speak some Mandarin Chinese....about three words LOL ...but happy to learn more, love the colour red and the number 8!!
Beautiful round up, truly you are a wordsmith... brought a tear to the eye. =Sniff= :P
You cant even spell the name right...
and this isnt the topic to sign up for testing... so stop asking. Because we'd all love to test the Vesta... (myself included) but that time has past.
First, you're severely overestimating sensor analysis. It's not bad, and against gates and tac cubes or in PvP it might be a real factor, but most of the time in PvE you just don't get the time for it to stack up that much, and it has no effect on secondary targets if you're using AoE abilities. It's already pretty safe to ignore it with a Fleet Recon Sci, throw in the DHCs to speed kills and it's not going to be noticeable.
You also can't talk DPS without looking at abilities. According to the Starship Weapons Calculator even an escort won't get much above 3.5k DPS without abilities, and 4k is sort of the minimum that's acceptable for an Escort build. I've even heard of people measuring 13k with Gurambas. You get there with abilities, mainly tac abilities, and the Vesta will max out at 1 less of those than an escort, with only 1 instead of 2-3 at LtC or higher. Also, if you go that route EPtS takes up all your eng abilities, which means most of your 4 sci abilities have to be heals. Ultimately, the Vesta will not quite match an escort by trying to imitate one.
Cruisers get their DPS from chaining EPtS and EPtW, which lets them keep all their power levels very high without sacrificing tanking or other damage dealing abilities. To chain both of those the Vesta would need to put the LtC on Eng, and that means it doesn't get the DPS boost from heavy tac abilities and has to devote as many sci abilities as possible to heals, putting it in a cruiser ballpark, maybe with a little more DPS and a little less durability.
Yes, the Vesta is absolutely more powerful than other sci ships, but when you really get into the nitty gritty of trying to build it, it's not superior to current escorts and cruisers, just different.