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  • mbomberdavidmbomberdavid Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    unclereeky wrote: »
    As a player who has been with the game since its inception..and one who chose to pay monthly..I have a real problem with the way this Veteran's awards thing is being done. I am on day 929..and now I've been told that regardless of whether I've been paying to play this game since it began..when I reach 1000 days..there won't be any veterans awards for me. I was told that if I don't purchase a lifetime membership..for $200, then I won't be able to get the rewards that I have been grinding and playing forward for 929 days. Figure it out Cryptic/Perfect World..$14.99 x however months STO has been going..It sure comes to alot more than $200. So who is the "genius" that thought up this mathematical work of art? Do you really think that all the people who are still paying to play or who at least payed to play up until you went Free to play..are going to purchase a Lifetime Membership after being faithful to the game for all these months by paying $14.99/month since the game's inception.
    The game is absolutely great..but this thing..really makes me see that the people doing the money are not the people who are making the game..and I could probably go as far to say that the people making the game..do not know what the money people are doing... This is the biggest farce I've ever seen..I can do with out the Chimera..all I've heard about it were complaints anyway..justlike the dreadnought..most say..dreadnought was a waste of "space".
    Next time you money people want to TRIBBLE around with the people who are keepingyou in business..consult with the people who are making the game..get their two cents worth..I bet we wouldn't have seen such a move as this.

    Unclereeky
    106th Fleet



    I have posted several times that i wish that once gold players paid for X number of months that they should automatically receive a LTS. If not that then at least a MASSIVE discount on LTS depending on how many years you have paid...
  • syberghostsyberghost Member Posts: 1,711 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I have posted several times that i wish that once gold players paid for X number of months that they should automatically receive a LTS. If not that then at least a MASSIVE discount on LTS depending on how many years you have paid...

    That doesn't make any sense from a business perspective. PWE benefits from getting your money up front, when spending it does more to grow their customer base, so an LTS is in their best interest at the front end.

    Offering a subscription benefits PWE less, but allows a customer who can't afford an LTS to choose to play with Gold benefits and bail out later if he doesn't want to stick around. Getting an LTS will be a better deal if you intend to stay, but it's your choice.

    But converting you to LTS automatically after you sub? That just cuts off a revenue stream and discourages the upfront payment that they'd prefer to receive. There's no business case for this.

    Now, a discount; that makes sense. Although I'd say no more than 50% off; any more than that, and it again just cuts off a revenue stream.
    Former moderator of these forums. Lifetime sub since before launch. Been here since before public betas. Foundry author of "Franklin Drake Must Die".
  • vogonmartvogonmart Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    The new changes are nice in that I do not have to rush to make new characters to get the Vetran rewards over the time of each character. With new characters the rewards may help me level them up easier.
  • mbomberdavidmbomberdavid Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    vogonmart wrote: »
    The new changes are nice in that I do not have to rush to make new characters to get the Vetran rewards over the time of each character. With new characters the rewards may help me level them up easier.


    I am not sure how many people fall into this category, but im thinking of people that have already paid as much or more than those that bought LTS through their monthly payment. I found it so frustrating watching a couple of beta-start players in my old fleet paying their monthly fee for close to 2 years that i sent them a paypal "donation" so they would get LTS.

    I would love it also if there was a way you could just send people LTS as gifts from the zen store. It is my dream that STO philanthropy will get me elected federation president someday...
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I am not sure how many people fall into this category, but im thinking of people that have already paid as much or more than those that bought LTS through their monthly payment. I found it so frustrating watching a couple of beta-start players in my old fleet paying their monthly fee for close to 2 years that i sent them a paypal "donation" so they would get LTS.

    I would love it also if there was a way you could just send people LTS as gifts from the zen store. It is my dream that STO philanthropy will get me elected federation president someday...

    Honestly, it would be smarter on the whole if you don't have money for an LTS to put an LTS on a credit card and then pay $15 a month more than you'd normally pay on your card.

    Same thing with ZEN and sales in general.

    If you have a 20% APR on your card, you'd be better off to buy ZEN when it's on sale for 20% in bulk on a CC and pay it down, as long as you aren't buying more than you can pay off in a year.
  • darkjeffdarkjeff Member Posts: 2,590 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I have posted several times that i wish that once gold players paid for X number of months that they should automatically receive a LTS. If not that then at least a MASSIVE discount on LTS depending on how many years you have paid...

    That's kind of missing the point of annuities, or really anything involving installments. :P
  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Honestly, it would be smarter on the whole if you don't have money for an LTS to put an LTS on a credit card and then pay $15 a month more than you'd normally pay on your card.

    Same thing with ZEN and sales in general.

    If you have a 20% APR on your card, you'd be better off to buy ZEN when it's on sale for 20% in bulk on a CC and pay it down, as long as you aren't buying more than you can pay off in a year.

    For heaven's sake, please don't recommend buying an LTS on credit if they can't afford one in the first place. Too many people are impulse shoppers and don't have a lot of financial savvy (like me).

    If you have to use credit, use it responsibly. But with the option to use PayPal and other non-credit payment methods, I don't see why anyone should have to rack up debt on STO. It's way too easy for debt to snowball out of control for the average person.
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    bluegeek wrote: »
    For heaven's sake, please don't recommend buying an LTS on credit if they can't afford one in the first place. Too many people are impulse shoppers and don't have a lot of financial savvy (like me).

    If you have to use credit, use it responsibly. But with the option to use PayPal and other non-credit payment methods, I don't see why anyone should have to rack up debt on STO. It's way too easy for debt to snowball out of control for the average person.

    Credit is not evil but it does require budgeting.

    If you can afford an extra $15 a month, it's better to buy an LTS on credit and pay $15 towards that a month. If you can't afford $15 a month, you shouldn't be subbing either.

    My estimate is that someone with even a 30% APR would take 16 months to pay off the balance at $15 a and would cost $38 in interest.

    Now... Would you wind up paying more than $238 otherwise? If so, use credit. If not, don't.

    In general, outside of emergencies, I wouldn't advise a lot of credit usage. But I would for sales, bulk purchases, or cases where your savings exceed your interest payments.
  • vogonmartvogonmart Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    vogonmart wrote: »
    The new changes are nice in that I do not have to rush to make new characters to get the Vetran rewards over the time of each character. With new characters the rewards may help me level them up easier.

    As an aside to the overall topic here, I do find the account reward system to be very useful in that you get items that are useful in playing the game compared to other online games.

    In WoW, there are no rewards over time
    For Guild Wars all I get is a new mini pet each year
    Hellgate:London - no rewards over time, but it was fun

    I do hope the new rewards do attract more players to join and keep the community engaged.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    vogonmart wrote: »
    In WoW, there are no rewards over time

    funny i get something in wow every anniversary most of the time its a pet not to say Winter Veil
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    daan2006 wrote: »
    funny i get something in wow every anniversary most of the time its a pet not to say Winter Veil

    And in STO, you get rewards for logging in during the anniversaries, at Christmas, etc.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    And in STO, you get rewards for logging in during the anniversaries, at Christmas, etc.

    but most of the stuff in sto is cool for that day then ya [Explosive Party Popper] ..... when i get say pet in wow i will use that for a month a year not just for that day if i like it


    and fyi i didnt say sto didnt give or do any thing ;)
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    swimwear off risa not fixed
    system Lord Baal is dead
    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • syberghostsyberghost Member Posts: 1,711 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Credit is not evil but it does require budgeting.

    If you can afford an extra $15 a month, it's better to buy an LTS on credit and pay $15 towards that a month. If you can't afford $15 a month, you shouldn't be subbing either.

    My estimate is that someone with even a 30% APR would take 16 months to pay off the balance at $15 a and would cost $38 in interest.

    Now... Would you wind up paying more than $238 otherwise? If so, use credit. If not, don't.

    In general, outside of emergencies, I wouldn't advise a lot of credit usage. But I would for sales, bulk purchases, or cases where your savings exceed your interest payments.

    The problem with this plan is, if you're subscribing, and you can't afford to continue, you can walk away; if you're paying for an LTS on a credit card, you can't; you're stuck, even if you can't afford to be.

    Not a good idea.
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    daan2006 wrote: »
    but most of the stuff in sto is cool for that day then ya [Explosive Party Popper] ..... when i get say pet in wow i will use that for a month a year not just for that day if i like it


    and fyi i didnt say sto didnt give or do any thing ;)

    That's pretty comparable to the stuff WoW gives out like the snow machine, elf pets, Santa hats and non-combat BB gun.
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    syberghost wrote: »
    The problem with this plan is, if you're subscribing, and you can't afford to continue, you can walk away; if you're paying for an LTS on a credit card, you can't; you're stuck, even if you can't afford to be.

    Not a good idea.

    Well, let's compare it to buying bulk game time then. It's an easy win there.

    I still think it's a better deal if you aren't going anywhere.

    For example, you have a steady job but a budget that allows less than $200 for entertainment.

    I think that would account for a lot of people in a $20-30k income range with no kids.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    That's pretty comparable to the stuff WoW gives out like the snow machine, elf pets, Santa hats and non-combat BB gun.

    alot if not all of that is from the winter veil not the anniversary not to say they not going to give you 2 pets 2 months in a row ;)
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    swimwear off risa not fixed
    system Lord Baal is dead
    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • darkjeffdarkjeff Member Posts: 2,590 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Which are essentially rewards for actually being there and playing the game, unlike the "Veteran Rewards' which just reward you for continuing to pay.
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