Funny you should say "TRIBBLE" with your avatar....
In all seriousness, this isn't "canon TRIBBLE'ism" here. This is plain common sense. Technology advances fast, and is actually increasing in the speed at which it advances. We can safely say that trend will continue into the future. With computers becoming obsolete within a month of being released, and most heavy machinery having a lifespan of not more than about 20 years, why would you fly an almost 200 year old ship?
That's like taking a rowboat into a speedboat race. It just doesn't work.
this ^^^^^ ive been saying my self look at how small the hull is one beam blast from a galaxy would cut it like a hot knive cuts butter
It doesnt really make sense to have all these different era uniforms either, but like I said in my last post most people dont really care if it actually makes sense, they simply want to play their character they way they enjoy the most.
What I don't understand is why so many people who *CLAIM* to be avid Star Trek fans want to fly something so terribly out-dated as to be decrepit and obsolete in a game that is quite clearly labeled to occur in the year 2409. :rolleyes: Constitution class starships were nothing more than mothballed museums in Picard's day, now we're 50 years even further into the future.
It's not a CLAIM, it's the reason. Everyone has their favorite era (personally, I like everything but the Enterprise series). Cryptic knew this up front and made the Connie available, added a TOS interior and costume set for purchase, and so forth to encourage those players to play their game.
In other words, Cryptic made this a valid discussion by providing the TOS material both up front and as real money C-Store items much later. They continue to put out ships, interiors, uniforms, etc., from various series because they know that's what many (if not most) "avid Star trek fans" want.
If they are going to produce, market, and charge money for these items, they should make them playable by those who purchase them. Right now, only the ships themselves are not usable at higher levels.
It doesnt really make sense to have all these different era uniforms either, but like I said in my last post most people dont really care if it actually makes sense, they simply want to play their character they way they enjoy the most.
well i am one who dose care and they tell you why in sto ppl are in what ever outfit they want be in
It doesnt really make sense to have all these different era uniforms either, but like I said in my last post most people dont really care if it actually makes sense, they simply want to play their character they way they enjoy the most.
Agreed. Having all the uniforms and eras represented plays to the broader Star Trek fan base.
Then you have nuts like me who plays multiple characters (30+), each with different themes (TOS, TNG, various 2409, Alien, etc.). This greatly enhances replayability for me because each character and crew "feels" different.
This is part of what keeps me playing STO, along with the hope that more actual story content to enjoy will be coming before the end of the year.
Im sorry. I didn't read anyone's replies. Or the thread.
I simply read these two lines and had to post to say how wrong your opinion is.
Btw, ever think maybe other people like these ships and find them attractive even though you dont and THATS why they want them in-game? Just a crazy thought.
We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes. - Gene Roddenberry
It's not a CLAIM, it's the reason. Everyone has their favorite era (personally, I like everything but the Enterprise series). Cryptic knew this up front and made the Connie available, added a TOS interior and costume set for purchase, and so forth to encourage those players to play their game.
In other words, Cryptic made this a valid discussion by providing the TOS material both up front and as real money C-Store items much later. They continue to put out ships, interiors, uniforms, etc., from various series because they know that's what many (if not most) "avid Star trek fans" want.
If they are going to produce, market, and charge money for these items, they should make them playable by those who purchase them. Right now, only the ships themselves are not usable at higher levels.
They only did it because you're willing to spend extra for it. It's corporate greed. CBS still to this day will not allow a T5 Constitution because it doesn't belong. You can call that a dichotomy all you want, but that's how it is. Clothing =! Equipment.
Im sorry. I didn't read anyone's replies. Or the thread.
I simply read these two lines and had to post to say how wrong your opinion is.
Btw, ever think maybe other people like these ships and find them attractive even though you dont and THATS why they want them in-game? Just a crazy thought.
...and if the game didn't specify a particular period of time in the Star Trek universe, it would be perfectly acceptable. Unfortunately, the game clearly states that it takes place in 2409 in a number of places, both prominent and obscure, so it's an IMMERSION BREAKER to those same roleplayers to see something that doesn't belong. The Constitution class ship doesn't belong in this time period.
No offense, but I dont really CARE about your immersion. You can play your character however you want and its none of my business. Likewise, I can play my character however I want and its none of your business.
But lets just say you are a roleplayer that gets their panties in a wad about immersion. If you see a connie flying around you can just roleplay that its a holo-emmiter like you can buy with GPL from playing Dabo. Yeah, thats right; I just head-shotted your entire immersion breaking argument
But lets just say you are a roleplayer that gets their panties in a wad about immersion. If you see a connie flying around you can just roleplay that its a holo-emmiter like you can buy with GPL from playing Dabo.
For the record, I'm only a roleplayer in so far as I make sure my gameplay experience conforms to the game's story. In other words, I roleplay that I'm actually involved in the game, rather than deliberately throwing the book at the devs just because it isn't in my favorite timeline. :rolleyes:
It always cracks me up how people claim that the Constitution is "too old". So are the D'kyr, B'rel, D7 and Excelsior. Heck even the Galaxy shouldn't be around unless it's a Dreadnought. Star Trek is a world where ships can be upgraded like crazy, especially since Starfleet got access to Borg technology. Live with it.
Just for the record. By now I would be happy with the Excalibur, Exeter and Vesper skins if they don't want to make the Constitution. I just have to speak up when someone says that the Constitution would be too old without mentioning the D'kyr (one hundred years OLDER) and the others.
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Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
The galaxy class is awful? *blinks* Like you said, your opinion, there are plenty of people out there that love the Galaxy and the Connie. The only awful thing about the Galaxy class in game is the turn rate, but it's at least understandable. Me, I'm not wild about the Commander level cruisers, I miss the old days when you could lay down 137,000 EC or however much it cost and get an Excelsior, which I'm guessing you also don't like.
Like someone else said, it looks like a bloated spatula. Just don't care for the shape... It's mostly the sheer width of the saucer. I'm not disputing stats, just talking about appearances. The Stargazer I currently use doesn't look bad, but I was able to customize it to the point that it almost looks like a Blockade Escort with a second set of nacelles.
Actually, I really like the Excelsior's design. The long nacelles and straight hull looks pretty cool imo.
I will say this: I love the 2009 Connie's sleek, modernized design. I'd have no objections if that was put in the game.
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[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It always cracks me up how people claim that the Constitution is "too old". So are the D'kyr, B'rel, D7 and Excelsior. Heck even the Galaxy shouldn't be around unless it's a Dreadnought. Star Trek is a world where ships can be upgraded like crazy, especially since Starfleet got access to Borg technology. Live with it.
Just for the record. By now I would be happy with the Excalibur, Exeter and Vesper skins if they don't want to make the Constitution. I just have to speak up when someone says that the Constitution would be too old without mentioning the D'kyr (one hundred years OLDER) and the others.
That's already been explained in the Star Trek universe. Klingons don't keep improving their ships. They build really tough battleships, and just keep slapping on new armor plating or other such combat equipment. The Federation doesn't make battleships, they make science and exploration ships. This means the tech gets obsolete fast, and they can't just slap on another plate of armor to make it good again.
It's sort of like remodelling a house. Often times, if you want to make significant changes to a house to "modernize" it, it is much cheaper to demolish the whole house and start fresh than to try and "retrofit" the house with what you need/want. This principle holds true with virtually everything in the real world. It makes more sense and is more cost-effective to start fresh.
It always cracks me up how people claim that the Constitution is "too old". So are the D'kyr, B'rel, D7 and Excelsior. Heck even the Galaxy shouldn't be around unless it's a Dreadnought. Star Trek is a world where ships can be upgraded like crazy, especially since Starfleet got access to Borg technology. Live with it.
Just for the record. By now I would be happy with the Excalibur, Exeter and Vesper skins if they don't want to make the Constitution. I just have to speak up when someone says that the Constitution would be too old without mentioning the D'kyr (one hundred years OLDER) and the others.
take that up with CBS the gods of star trek law what they say gose and they said no to this so all this talk is pointless and cryptic cant do any thing about it why? they dont have the money to change CBS mind
Like someone else said, it looks like a bloated spatula. Just don't care for the shape... It's mostly the sheer width of the saucer. I'm not disputing stats, just talking about appearances. The Stargazer I currently use doesn't look bad, but I was able to customize it to the point that it almost looks like a Blockade Escort with a second set of nacelles.
Actually, I really like the Excelsior's design. The long nacelles and straight hull looks pretty cool imo.
I will say this: I love the 2009 Connie's sleek, modernized design. I'd have no objections if that was put in the game.
You hate the TOS ship but love the JJ mess? My heart weeps.
We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes. - Gene Roddenberry
It always cracks me up how people claim that the Constitution is "too old". So are the D'kyr, B'rel, D7 and Excelsior. Heck even the Galaxy shouldn't be around unless it's a Dreadnought. Star Trek is a world where ships can be upgraded like crazy, especially since Starfleet got access to Borg technology. Live with it.
Just for the record. By now I would be happy with the Excalibur, Exeter and Vesper skins if they don't want to make the Constitution. I just have to speak up when someone says that the Constitution would be too old without mentioning the D'kyr (one hundred years OLDER) and the others.
There is a difference in those other cases though. We do see those ships refitted and reused. The Connies got refitted (per the first movie) and then were slated to be scrapped (per Wrath of Khan/ Search for Spock).
Meanwhile we see the Excelsior still in service late in DS9 via the Lakota. We see B'Rel hull pretty much every chance they got to reuse it.
We don't know either way about the D'Kyr, and I am not sure about the D7... Is there a T5 D7 in STO?
For the record, I'm only a roleplayer in so far as I make sure my gameplay experience conforms to the game's story. In other words, I roleplay that I'm actually involved in the game, rather than deliberately throwing the book at the devs just because it isn't in my favorite timeline. :rolleyes:
Beyond that, I don't touch RP with a hazmat suit.
Thats fine, because like I said: the game's story says there are holo-emmiters that can make your ship look like another one(even one from another faction). So it shouldnt be hard for you to roleplay that any connies you see are also holo-emmiters.
It always cracks me up how people claim that the Constitution is "too old". So are the D'kyr, B'rel, D7 and Excelsior. Heck even the Galaxy shouldn't be around unless it's a Dreadnought. Star Trek is a world where ships can be upgraded like crazy, especially since Starfleet got access to Borg technology. Live with it.
Just for the record. By now I would be happy with the Excalibur, Exeter and Vesper skins if they don't want to make the Constitution. I just have to speak up when someone says that the Constitution would be too old without mentioning the D'kyr (one hundred years OLDER) and the others.
I like you. We never see anyone complaining about 200+ year old Klingon ships. :rolleyes:
If you don't like it, fine, thats your own opinion. You are entitled to it. So is everyone else. Not everyone likes the Connie, not everyone likes the Galaxy, not everyone likes the lock box ships.
Tough.
Have fun. This is a game, it's supposed to be fun. But don't let your fun get in the way of everyone else. That just makes you look like a whiny brat. It's time we make like Fonzie and be cool.
They only did it because you're willing to spend extra for it. It's corporate greed. CBS still to this day will not allow a T5 Constitution because it doesn't belong. You can call that a dichotomy all you want, but that's how it is. Clothing =! Equipment.
Yet my TOS phasers, phaser rifles, and phaser beam arrays function perfectly well at all levels, including those ancient weapons we bring back from the past from the past to use in 2409 via an official Featured Episode.:)
Again, the only thing lacking is the ship itself.
For the record, I'd be happy with some of the variants (Exeter, etc.) at T5. My TOS-themed character would use that. Or as you noted, the 2009 version.
However, I also note the inconsistency in your position with regard to the 2009 version, since a different appearance does not make it any less old or obsolete from a canon perspective.
Thats fine, because like I said: the game's story says there are holo-emmiters that can make your ship look like another one(even one from another faction). So it shouldnt be hard for you to roleplay that any connies you see are also holo-emmiters.
Exactly! The fact that there are already holo-emmiters in game completely destroys any argument about immersion breaking.
Thats fine, because like I said: the game's story says there are holo-emmiters that can make your ship look like another one(even one from another faction). So it shouldnt be hard for you to roleplay that any connies you see are also holo-emmiters.
Exactly! The fact that there are already holo-emmiters in game completely destroys any argument about immersion breaking.
Except, for whatever really stupid and arbitrary reason, holo technology has apparently regressed such that holograms constantly flicker. Your Constitution ship isn't flickering, so it isn't a hologram. :P
However, I also note the inconsistency in your position with regard to the 2009 version, since a different appearance does not make it any less old or obsolete from a canon perspective.
Actually, in an interview about the movie one of the writers said the reason the ship looked different in the 09 movie is because its design was influenced by scans of the Narada that the surviving crew of the Kelvin were able to bring back to Starfleet. This means that the JJ-prise was more advanced than the TOS connie because it was influenced by future tech.
The same would have also been true of KDF ships in the JJ-verse, since the Klingons actually captured Nero and his crew(in deleted scenes).
Yet my TOS phasers, phaser rifles, and phaser beam arrays function perfectly well at all levels, including those ancient weapons we bring back from the past from the past to use in 2409 via an official Featured Episode.:)
People don't get better over time. We're still just as squishy as we were 200 years ago.
Except, for whatever really stupid and arbitrary reason, holo technology has apparently regressed such that holograms constantly flicker. Your Constitution ship isn't flickering, so it isn't a hologram. :P
If you cant roleplay that its a new and improved holo-emmiter that doesnt flicker then you arent much of a roleplayer in the first place, meaning you shouldnt be that concerned about yoru immersion being broken.
If you cant roleplay that its a new and improved holo-emmiter that doesnt flicker then you arent much of a roleplayer in the first place, meaning you shouldnt be that concerned about yoru immersion being broken.
... so now it's my fault you can't fly an ancient, decrepit starship? :rolleyes:
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this ^^^^^ ive been saying my self look at how small the hull is one beam blast from a galaxy would cut it like a hot knive cuts butter
system Lord Baal is dead
It's not a CLAIM, it's the reason. Everyone has their favorite era (personally, I like everything but the Enterprise series). Cryptic knew this up front and made the Connie available, added a TOS interior and costume set for purchase, and so forth to encourage those players to play their game.
In other words, Cryptic made this a valid discussion by providing the TOS material both up front and as real money C-Store items much later. They continue to put out ships, interiors, uniforms, etc., from various series because they know that's what many (if not most) "avid Star trek fans" want.
If they are going to produce, market, and charge money for these items, they should make them playable by those who purchase them. Right now, only the ships themselves are not usable at higher levels.
well i am one who dose care and they tell you why in sto ppl are in what ever outfit they want be in
system Lord Baal is dead
Agreed. Having all the uniforms and eras represented plays to the broader Star Trek fan base.
Then you have nuts like me who plays multiple characters (30+), each with different themes (TOS, TNG, various 2409, Alien, etc.). This greatly enhances replayability for me because each character and crew "feels" different.
This is part of what keeps me playing STO, along with the hope that more actual story content to enjoy will be coming before the end of the year.
Im sorry. I didn't read anyone's replies. Or the thread.
I simply read these two lines and had to post to say how wrong your opinion is.
Btw, ever think maybe other people like these ships and find them attractive even though you dont and THATS why they want them in-game? Just a crazy thought.
It's not as crazy as you might think. -_-
No offense, but I dont really CARE about your immersion. You can play your character however you want and its none of my business. Likewise, I can play my character however I want and its none of your business.
But lets just say you are a roleplayer that gets their panties in a wad about immersion. If you see a connie flying around you can just roleplay that its a holo-emmiter like you can buy with GPL from playing Dabo. Yeah, thats right; I just head-shotted your entire immersion breaking argument
Beyond that, I don't touch RP with a hazmat suit.
Just for the record. By now I would be happy with the Excalibur, Exeter and Vesper skins if they don't want to make the Constitution. I just have to speak up when someone says that the Constitution would be too old without mentioning the D'kyr (one hundred years OLDER) and the others.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
Like someone else said, it looks like a bloated spatula. Just don't care for the shape... It's mostly the sheer width of the saucer. I'm not disputing stats, just talking about appearances. The Stargazer I currently use doesn't look bad, but I was able to customize it to the point that it almost looks like a Blockade Escort with a second set of nacelles.
Actually, I really like the Excelsior's design. The long nacelles and straight hull looks pretty cool imo.
I will say this: I love the 2009 Connie's sleek, modernized design. I'd have no objections if that was put in the game.
-The Milkshake Song: Vulcan Edition
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It's sort of like remodelling a house. Often times, if you want to make significant changes to a house to "modernize" it, it is much cheaper to demolish the whole house and start fresh than to try and "retrofit" the house with what you need/want. This principle holds true with virtually everything in the real world. It makes more sense and is more cost-effective to start fresh.
take that up with CBS the gods of star trek law what they say gose and they said no to this so all this talk is pointless and cryptic cant do any thing about it why? they dont have the money to change CBS mind
system Lord Baal is dead
You hate the TOS ship but love the JJ mess? My heart weeps.
There is a difference in those other cases though. We do see those ships refitted and reused. The Connies got refitted (per the first movie) and then were slated to be scrapped (per Wrath of Khan/ Search for Spock).
Meanwhile we see the Excelsior still in service late in DS9 via the Lakota. We see B'Rel hull pretty much every chance they got to reuse it.
We don't know either way about the D'Kyr, and I am not sure about the D7... Is there a T5 D7 in STO?
i have to soooooo agree with this
system Lord Baal is dead
Thats fine, because like I said: the game's story says there are holo-emmiters that can make your ship look like another one(even one from another faction). So it shouldnt be hard for you to roleplay that any connies you see are also holo-emmiters.
I like you. We never see anyone complaining about 200+ year old Klingon ships. :rolleyes:
If you don't like it, fine, thats your own opinion. You are entitled to it. So is everyone else. Not everyone likes the Connie, not everyone likes the Galaxy, not everyone likes the lock box ships.
Tough.
Have fun. This is a game, it's supposed to be fun. But don't let your fun get in the way of everyone else. That just makes you look like a whiny brat. It's time we make like Fonzie and be cool.
Yet my TOS phasers, phaser rifles, and phaser beam arrays function perfectly well at all levels, including those ancient weapons we bring back from the past from the past to use in 2409 via an official Featured Episode.:)
Again, the only thing lacking is the ship itself.
For the record, I'd be happy with some of the variants (Exeter, etc.) at T5. My TOS-themed character would use that. Or as you noted, the 2009 version.
However, I also note the inconsistency in your position with regard to the 2009 version, since a different appearance does not make it any less old or obsolete from a canon perspective.
Exactly! The fact that there are already holo-emmiters in game completely destroys any argument about immersion breaking.
Or do the sensible thing and ignore it. :P
Can't fault them for that.
All that matters is that they can't run very fast.
It's like taking dilithium from a very very very old baby.
Actually, in an interview about the movie one of the writers said the reason the ship looked different in the 09 movie is because its design was influenced by scans of the Narada that the surviving crew of the Kelvin were able to bring back to Starfleet. This means that the JJ-prise was more advanced than the TOS connie because it was influenced by future tech.
The same would have also been true of KDF ships in the JJ-verse, since the Klingons actually captured Nero and his crew(in deleted scenes).
If you cant roleplay that its a new and improved holo-emmiter that doesnt flicker then you arent much of a roleplayer in the first place, meaning you shouldnt be that concerned about yoru immersion being broken.