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So why do people want a T5 Connie?

cusashorncusashorn Member Posts: 461
I'm just trying to figure out why players would want such an ugly ship at the high levels.

Oh sure, I fully understand the legacy behind it. It's THE original starship that has become synonymous with Star Trek, and that was just fine back when it was the only design, but that doesn't make it good looking.

I'm leveling up an engineer right now, checking out the cruisers. I was hoping there would be some other choice for ships at level ten, like the Excelsior or something. I was so glad that I was able to customize it's appearance to make it look more modern. The only Constitution piece I ended up using was the neck.

I'm not looking forward to level 30 when I get stuck with the awful Galaxy class. IMO, starships didn't become interesting and aesthetically pleasing until DS9 and Voyager.
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  • hippiejonhippiejon Member Posts: 1,581 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Some people want it because it is their favorite ship.
    Some people don't think it's ugly.
    You have given us the reasons YOU don't want a T5 Connie.
    Other peoples mileage may vary.
    It's really that simple.
  • mikewendellmikewendell Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Just look at how many Enterprizes you see in sector space captained by Captain Kirkk :)
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    People want a T5 Connie because they have nothing else in this game to spend their hard-earned dollars on. :)
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  • philo5oraptorphilo5oraptor Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    There is nothing complicated or hard to understand about it. The constitution is the most iconic trek ship, so lots of people want to fly it. Thats really all there is to it. But since CBS has said no T5 connie, it doesnt really matter.

    Having said all of that, the excalibur should be in the fleet store with the exeter skin for those who have bought it since those ships arent connies.
  • darkenzedddarkenzedd Member Posts: 881
    edited July 2012
    Do not get me wrong, it would be cool to fly around in a T5 connie, but I do not see the point.

    Then again, I do not see flying T2 ships at endgame either, but we have them now....
  • rtk142rtk142 Member Posts: 613 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    cusashorn wrote: »
    I'm not looking forward to level 30 when I get stuck with the awful Galaxy class. IMO, starships didn't become interesting and aesthetically pleasing until DS9 and Voyager.


    The galaxy class is awful? *blinks* Like you said, your opinion, there are plenty of people out there that love the Galaxy and the Connie. The only awful thing about the Galaxy class in game is the turn rate, but it's at least understandable. Me, I'm not wild about the Commander level cruisers, I miss the old days when you could lay down 137,000 EC or however much it cost and get an Excelsior, which I'm guessing you also don't like.
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  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    cusashorn wrote: »
    I'm just trying to figure out why players would want such an ugly ship at the high levels.

    Oh sure, I fully understand the legacy behind it. It's THE original starship that has become synonymous with Star Trek, and that was just fine back when it was the only design, but that doesn't make it good looking.

    I'm leveling up an engineer right now, checking out the cruisers. I was hoping there would be some other choice for ships at level ten, like the Excelsior or something. I was so glad that I was able to customize it's appearance to make it look more modern. The only Constitution piece I ended up using was the neck.

    I'm not looking forward to level 30 when I get stuck with the awful Galaxy class. IMO, starships didn't become interesting and aesthetically pleasing until DS9 and Voyager.

    Peersonally, I'll never understand those folks who want/love the Galaxy class 1701-D as IMO - I thought it was one of the ugliest Star Trek ships on screen in 1987 - and still feel that way about that bloated spatula today.

    The 1701 VConstitution is teh Enterprise for me. I get you think it's ugly, but IMO, it was the first (and IMO still the best on screen Enterprise.) <-- That's why I'd love a T5 bversion of it in game, even though I know full well CBS has said no, so it'll never happen - but if it was made, I'd pick one up in a heartbeat.
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Some people are only fans of TOS. Heck, we have DEVS who are TOS only fans.
  • diogene0diogene0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    50+ year old nostalgic men unwilling to think they're becoming old? :D
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  • cormorancormoran Member Posts: 440 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I'm amazed you had to create a whole new thread to ask a question that every single thread asking for a T5 connie has answered.
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited July 2012
    The same reason people want the ambassador , the vesta , the new orleans etc etc etc etc

    because everyone has their favorite ship , and wants to fly it at end game , nothing hard to understand about that :rolleyes:
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  • scififan78scififan78 Member Posts: 1,383 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    The Constitution Refit is one of my favorite Trek ships. I love the design. That said, I do not want a T5 Constitution in game. The Vesper, Excalibur, and Exiter on the other hand, I would be fine with. Why? Design age. Yes, we have the Excelsior at T5 and it is almost as old as the Constitution. Trek has a long history of refitting the Excelsior. From Excelsior, to Enterprise, then Lakota. The Constitution refit required a complete teardown and rebuilt from the superstructure and up. The Excelsior refits did not require as much. It is appearent that the engineers designed the Excelsior with longevity in mind. The Constitution, not so much.

    Personally, I would have the Constitution as a Tier 1 cruiser (with Oberth and Miranda as science and tac respectively) and the Excelsior at T2 and the Exclesior Retro at T4. Just my opinion.
  • jjumetleyjjumetley Member Posts: 281 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Peersonally, I'll never understand those folks who want/love the Galaxy class 1701-D as IMO - I thought it was one of the ugliest Star Trek ships on screen in 1987 - and still feel that way about that bloated spatula today.
    That was a good one! :D
    The 1701 VConstitution is teh Enterprise for me. I get you think it's ugly, but IMO, it was the first (and IMO still the best on screen Enterprise.)
    Man... Today you're on fire! Another great joke! :D

    Seriously - we all have different tastes and I think there's no point in discussing which one's better because it's not a criterion of what a treatment a starship gets. It simply wouldn't be appropriate if Constitution was promoted to T5.
  • raj011raj011 Member Posts: 987 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    diogene0 wrote: »
    50+ year old nostalgic men unwilling to think they're becoming old? :D

    lol we are all are getting old its a fact of life and you can't run from it, its part of being human and alive. As for the connie, its one of my favourites, true I love the modern designs as well but also I understand and appreciate what came before. As for a t5 connie at the end of the day this is a game, a mmo game, if it was Bridge commander which follows the ships canonly then thats another matter here honestly don't mind. The thing is though yes it is and old design but the devs have made modern versions of that design which they can use in T5 so why not have them there. Also in real life you know the old saying everything that was old is new again. This brings up that age old question about even thing that is new is better but in real life just because an car or plane etc has an outdated look does not mean it does not have the latest stuff. Personally don't see a problem if people are willing to pay money for this ship why not have it but it should not still be on par with the later ships.
  • cedricophoffcedricophoff Member Posts: 153 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    diogene0 wrote: »
    50+ year old nostalgic men unwilling to think they're becoming old? :D

    :P Normal old men: MAAAAAAAAAAATLOCK

    Old geeks: KIIIIIIRRRRRRKKKKKK

    Nevermind that he's the worst captain ever to "grace" starfleet.
  • broadnaxbroadnax Member Posts: 340 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I think part of it is that we are rushed to the cap so quickly that those of us who enjoy flying our Connies at low levels don't get to enjoy it for very long at all.

    The TOS connie was a preorder perk for me. I also bought the Oberth because I like that ship too. Now it takes little time at all to outlevel those ships; they're just kind of here an gone.

    The notion that the Connie does not belong as a T5 is purely opinion (and yes, I get the "technical" reasons people put forth). It doesn't change the fact that there are apparently quite a few players that play because they *could* fly their favorite ships in the game. This is a game, not real life, based on a popular IP which began with TOS. People will -- and have -- argue as to why their favorite ships belong in a game set quite a bit in the future, but other ships do not. Everybody want their own way.

    The fact that players want to fly some version of the Connie at T5 is a legitimate wish.

    The devs are square in the middle here. On the one hand, they're told that legacy ships (any of them, not just TOS) don't belong in STO; it should only have ships in the 2409 timeline. On the other hand, when they create new ships, they're told "they don't look Trek enough." In recent months I've seen threads advocating that only ships, uniforms, and such actually seen in the shows should be in game and threads that say just the opposite.

    Ah, well. It's just a game. :)
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    you all can talk about this till the cows come home CBS said no so it needs to end with that email CBS if you want one
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  • broadnaxbroadnax Member Posts: 340 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    daan2006 wrote: »
    you all can talk about this till the cows come home CBS said no so it needs to end with that email CBS if you want one

    Which did make me wonder why someone would make a new thread asking this question when all that was necessary was to read the other threads. The wish and response are very well documented on the forums.
  • captain4mericacaptain4merica Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    daan2006 wrote: »
    you all can talk about this till the cows come home CBS said no so it needs to end with that email CBS if you want one

    If you dont want to see this topic discussed, then dont click on it. It couldnt be any simpler.
  • captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    If we can't have T5 connies, Ambassadors, sovereigns etc etc what about bringing them in as holoemitters?
    Personally I'd kill for a sovereign or an ambassador holoemitter so that I could run the sci oddy I have without looking at that deformed whale.
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    If you dont want to see this topic discussed, then dont click on it. It couldnt be any simpler.

    and why talk about something CBS said no to?

    and dont like what i have to say dont reply to it :P works both ways ;)
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • cormorancormoran Member Posts: 440 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    daan2006 wrote: »
    and why talk about something CBS said no to?
    This isn't a discussion asking for a T5 connie, it's a discussion asking why people want one.

    And with that attitude why talk about anything on these forums? It's not like our discussions here push Cryptic to do anything they don't already have plans for.
  • captain4mericacaptain4merica Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    daan2006 wrote: »
    and why talk about something CBS said no to?

    Because people want to.
    and dont like what i have to say dont reply to it :P works both ways ;)

    Oh, I did like your post...because it gave me a chance to shut you down the way I did ;)
  • eulifdaviseulifdavis Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    What I don't understand is why so many people who *CLAIM* to be avid Star Trek fans want to fly something so terribly out-dated as to be decrepit and obsolete in a game that is quite clearly labeled to occur in the year 2409. :rolleyes: Constitution class starships were nothing more than mothballed museums in Picard's day, now we're 50 years even further into the future.
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    cormoran wrote: »
    This isn't a discussion asking for a T5 connie, it's a discussion asking why people want one.

    And with that attitude why talk about anything on these forums? It's not like our discussions here push Cryptic to do anything they don't already have plans for.

    not going to lie but i think you and the other here got trolled just saying
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Because people want to.



    Oh, I did like your post...because it gave me a chance to shut you down the way I did ;)

    and what good will it do ?????? nothen and shut me down i lol @ thee
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • captain4mericacaptain4merica Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    eulifdavis wrote: »
    What I don't understand is why so many people who *CLAIM* to be avid Star Trek fans want to fly something so terribly out-dated as to be decrepit and obsolete in a game that is quite clearly labeled to occur in the year 2409. :rolleyes: Constitution class starships were nothing more than mothballed museums in Picard's day, now we're 50 years even further into the future.

    Being an avid star trek fan and being a canon TRIBBLE are not the same thing.
  • eulifdaviseulifdavis Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Being an avid star trek fan and being a canon TRIBBLE are not the same thing.
    Funny you should say "TRIBBLE" with your avatar.... :D

    In all seriousness, this isn't "canon TRIBBLE'ism" here. This is plain common sense. Technology advances fast, and is actually increasing in the speed at which it advances. We can safely say that trend will continue into the future. With computers becoming obsolete within a month of being released, and most heavy machinery having a lifespan of not more than about 20 years, why would you fly an almost 200 year old ship?

    That's like taking a rowboat into a speedboat race. It just doesn't work.
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  • captain4mericacaptain4merica Member Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    eulifdavis wrote: »
    Funny you should say "TRIBBLE" with your avatar.... :D

    In all seriousness, this isn't "canon TRIBBLE'ism" here. This is plain common sense. Technology advances fast, and is actually increasing in the speed at which it advances. We can safely say that trend will continue into the future. With computers becoming obsolete within a month of being released, and most heavy machinery having a lifespan of not more than about 20 years, why would you fly an almost 200 year old ship?

    That's like taking a rowboat into a speedboat race. It just doesn't work.

    This isnt real life, and most people who play this game arent roleplaying. Most people just want to have a little fun playing a star trek video game and flying their favorite ship. Whether it technically makes sense doesnt actually matter to those people.
  • eulifdaviseulifdavis Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    This isnt real life, and most people who play this game arent roleplaying. Most people just want to have a little fun playing a star trek video game and flying their favorite ship. Whether it technically makes sense doesnt actually matter to those people.
    ...and if the game didn't specify a particular period of time in the Star Trek universe, it would be perfectly acceptable. Unfortunately, the game clearly states that it takes place in 2409 in a number of places, both prominent and obscure, so it's an IMMERSION BREAKER to those same roleplayers to see something that doesn't belong. The Constitution class ship doesn't belong in this time period.
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