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dbosco2dbosco2 Member Posts: 10 Arc User
In order to avoid a massive spoiler, I will make my request slightly vague:

What are the chances of getting the station from Star Trek Typhon Pact: Raise the Dawn added to the game? I realize it is not canon, and it can't be added in directly to the game (for those of you who have read it, you know why), but perhaps another station built of its same type? Say Deep Space 12 or something, maybe even place it in the Borg sector at the terminus of the Transwarp Corridor? :) It just sounds cool: three rings at right angles to each other connected to a spherical core via half a dozen crossover bridges.

Thoughts?
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  • cusashorncusashorn Member Posts: 461
    edited July 2012
    How can 3 rings be geometrically calculated to be 90 degrees from each other?
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  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    before saying yay or nay, i'd need to see a picture of it.... cause your description honestly makes me think something hideous...
  • mikewendellmikewendell Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    cusashorn wrote: »
    How can 3 rings be geometrically calculated to be 90 degrees from each other?

    x - y - z axis?
  • tacofangstacofangs Member Posts: 2,951 Cryptic Developer
    edited July 2012
    3 rings at 90 angles to each other? Doesn't seem that hard. . .

    I know nothing of this station. The description doesn't sound particularly intriguing to me, but who knows. . .
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  • mikewendellmikewendell Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    tacofangs wrote: »
    I know nothing of this station. The description doesn't sound particularly intriguing to me, but who knows. . .

    You would think that they would have stuck it on the book cover but I don;t see any rings on that station.
  • podsixpodsix Member Posts: 207 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    dbosco2 wrote: »
    three rings at right angles to each other connected to a spherical core via half a dozen crossover bridges.

    You think THIS is cool?
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  • f8explorer#7814 f8explorer Member Posts: 1,328 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    dbosco2 wrote: »
    In order to avoid a massive spoiler, I will make my request slightly vague:

    What are the chances of getting the station from Star Trek Typhon Pact: Raise the Dawn added to the game? I realize it is not canon, and it can't be added in directly to the game (for those of you who have read it, you know why), but perhaps another station built of its same type? Say Deep Space 12 or something, maybe even place it in the Borg sector at the terminus of the Transwarp Corridor? :) It just sounds cool: three rings at right angles to each other connected to a spherical core via half a dozen crossover bridges.

    Thoughts?

    You mean the same style as the stations that are canon around the fleet yards over Mars. (Same style)
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  • f8explorer#7814 f8explorer Member Posts: 1,328 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    tacofangs wrote: »
    3 rings at 90 angles to each other? Doesn't seem that hard. . .

    I know nothing of this station. The description doesn't sound particularly intriguing to me, but who knows. . .


    Here it is ... http://www.startrek.com/uploads/assets/articles/typhoon-pack1.png
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  • tacofangstacofangs Member Posts: 2,951 Cryptic Developer
    edited July 2012
    That's Utopia Planitia Station (or some variant of it), and looks nothing like what was described. . . ?
    genhauk wrote: »
    podsix wrote: »
    You think THIS is cool?


    This matches the mental image the original description conjured. While I'm sure things could be done to make it cooler, the overall shapes aren't terribly interesting to me.
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  • qordaqqordaq Member Posts: 129 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    So the station under construction on the cover of that book appears to be a K-7 like structure being upgraded? I don't see rings though, however there are "Pods" on 90 degree spokes (if viewed from the top of course). But there are four of them not three--which is similar to the basic K-7 design... K-7s spokes are at 120 degree angles I suppose.

    It's not uncommon for Sci-fi book-cover art to be inaccurate or not really reflect the story however, so that probably does not mean much.
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  • kalanikalani Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    After seeing the rendering of the circles tacofangs showed Ive got to say this doesn't look nearly as cool as it sounded in words. What I think would be more interesting is a base that used the 3 circles at 90 degree angles but are positioned more like the 3 corner pieces of a cube. Then fill the circles with some sort of lattice and give an in game reason like some science or engineering based tech.
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  • tuskin67tuskin67 Member Posts: 1,097 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    it looks like a modified orbital station from Utopia Planitia.
  • eiledoneiledon Member Posts: 595 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Mr Taco - given all the excellent work put in around the Tholian ships for season 6, are there any plans to add a tholian station in the same style - I would love to see something with the same angular feel to it. Almost like lots of the ships clustered together in a crystaline formation..
  • ccarmichael07ccarmichael07 Member Posts: 755 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    In light of the coming content in Season 6 surrounding the Tholians, I'd like to see a new "Vanguard" station added to the confluence of Tholian and Klingon space in the Taurus Reach.

    I would love to see a small campaign of missions and locations tied to the station, similar to how the Cardassian / True Way campaign is tied to DS9, and could even draw some elements from the "Vanguard" storyline.


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  • admlshakeadmlshake Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I'm sure there are probably licensing issues and stuff that would prevent them from taking part in this. If they were to use a space station from the books though I'd much rather they do the Vanguard series. The shedai (sp?) are back and Starfleet puts a base up back where the old one was the help with the fight. The klingons could get one as well since they were a major player in the story. And now that the Tholians are in the game it completes the set.
  • podsixpodsix Member Posts: 207 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    tacofangs wrote: »
    This matches the mental image the original description conjured. While I'm sure things could be done to make it cooler, the overall shapes aren't terribly interesting to me.

    Apologies for the crudity of the model. I just wanted to actually visualize what the description was describing.

    To me, the structure seems fairly derivative of the 'Nor stations built by the Cardassians... only in a Pre-TOS kind of crudity (Sperical core, really?) Kind of evoked the "Ring Ship" technology to me, but it reminded me of THIS too.

    The basic structure might make an interesting inspiration for an alien station. Perhaps for terribly boring aliens, or a first-contact species who has just developed their first warp drives?
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  • tacofangstacofangs Member Posts: 2,951 Cryptic Developer
    edited July 2012
    No, I think your rendering was a fine example of what I was thinking of as well.

    I think as a TOS era station, it could work. However, my issue with it lies in it's bland regularity. It would appear the same viewed from any angle. Removing even one of those rings, makes a more interesting and appealing shape.

    I also have issues with use. What is the point of rings arranged like that? They can't rotate around each other, unless you set it up more like a multi-axis trainer where each ring is smaller than the next, and can rotate within them. But that seems a bit derivative to me, and wouldn't provide the direction of rotation needed to induce gravity or something.

    Use always takes a back seat to the cool factor though. I mean, DS9 is a terrible design for it's intended use, but it's cool looking, so we're ok with it. The triple rings (to me) isn't a cool enough look to get past the use issue.

    Oh, and that cover is definitely showing a Utopia Planitia type station being constructed. . .
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  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I don't love it either, but it did remind me of some early concept art from the development of Deep Space Nine.

    Then again, I always thought a toy gyroscope would be a cool basis for a space station (though with a rotating middle section, so more of a Babylon 5 concept than a Star Trek concept. It's probably one of those ideas that could look really cool, depending on how you dressed it up.
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  • dbosco2dbosco2 Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    First off, wow a lot of negative comments. Let me sum up why I started this:

    1) The picture on the cover of the book IS just a Utopia type station, not the station described.
    You think THIS is cool?

    2) Yes, yes I do.
    but it did remind me of some early concept art from the development of Deep Space Nine.

    ^ That is why I think its cool. I see it as the Federation's attempt to pay homage to DS9. Also this new station was designed and built by Miles O'Brien and Nog so that's a +1 for me.

    3) The description is so very vague that it leave a ton of room for creativity. I mean, I assume that the rings won't be smooth but instead will have cutouts with massive windows for large observation areas, or commercial areas. Not to mention weapons platforms and docking setups (I'm assuming a docking port at the points where the rings meet)

    Idk, clearly my idea of cool doesn't jive with a lot of others...
  • kamiyama317kamiyama317 Member Posts: 1,295 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    tacofangs wrote: »
    I also have issues with use. What is the point of rings arranged like that? They can't rotate around each other, unless you set it up more like a multi-axis trainer where each ring is smaller than the next, and can rotate within them. But that seems a bit derivative to me, and wouldn't provide the direction of rotation needed to induce gravity or something.

    Instead of rotating sideways like a gyroscope, why not have them as free-floating rings that are spun like wheels around the central sphere? They could be held in place with minor corrections by tractor beams, and spun by using oscillating repulsor beams generated by the central sphere. The sphere would house a massive engineering section containing the warp core and all the power and weapons systems of the station, and also immense transporter facilities. The rings wouldn't be physically connected to the sphere, but would receive power and people could transport back and forth.

    The idea is that the rings would have massive tracks of cheap housing and cargo storage by saving on energy costs from not having to generate artificial gravity (gravity would be simulated by spinning of the rings). This type of design would maximize space while using the minimum amount of materials. Spheres by nature contain the greatest volume within the smallest physical space than any other 3D object. The rings would be modular extensions of the sphere, and since there is no need to build pylons to connect them to each other, new rings could be added as necessary, each built to maximize space and energy efficiency.

    While the tractor and repulsor beams might use more energy when constantly running than artificial gravity generators, once the rings get spun up to speed, the beams would only have to run intermittently for distance and speed corrections. This would leave more energy available to run shield generators and weapons systems, making this more of a dedicated Battle Station, rather than a starship drydock like Utopia Planitia or a refinery/cargo dock like Deep Space Nine.

    The rings might also have extensive shuttle bays, as in the event of a power core failure, the inhabitants would need to evacuate the rings.

    What do you think?
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