Last night I spent am 1hr in Ker'rat in my Heavy Bop - surprizingly there were way more Kdf than fed.
The KDF faction has been repeatedly sold to us as 'the PvP faction', and you're suprised there's more KDF PvPers than Starfleet PvPers? Seriously?
As for this supposedly being the reason that many Fed players hate the KDF - that bird just won't fly.
First, an anti-KDF attitude on the forum first started before the game even launched, and became the norm when we began demanding more information about the Klingon faction in November 2009. Since the KDF wasn't even in the closed beta at that point it couldn't have been caused by Feds getting killed in Ker'rat by superior KDF PvPers. Additionally, many of the Fed players that have made anti-KDF posts, by their own admission, never enter Ker'rat or PvP at all. So your theory can't possibly account for their anti-KDF attitude and posts.
In my opinion, which unlike yourself I admit could be wrong, many people have displayed an anti-KDF bias because they could. Because the moderators allowed it and the developers encouraged it with their continuous beating of the 'we have a small team and can't afford to work on the KDF' drum. As I think we've all seen over the last decade, many people derive some enjoyment from antagonizing and insulting others on the internet. The actions of the community on these forums since they first opened show that this community isn't above that either.
Also, Ker'rat is not a 'Farming Zone', it's a PvP Zone and is clearly marked as such. Anyone who deliberately enters a PvP zone and then gets angry when they get PvP'd isn't being rational. Anyone who never learns how to PvP and then can't figure out why they're no good at PvP and then comes to the forums to complain that the KDF ships are overpowered is being an idiot.
What I find most interesting in the thread - that in just 5 days it has generated 3200+ views - but there has been ZERO points from cryptic saying my Title of "NO more KDF ships" was not true or a "misrepresentation"
The developers used to occasionally post in the KDF forums and every time they did they got promptly chewed up faster than a Miranda in Ker'rat. So they haven't posted in the KDF forums in almost 2 years now. But you somehow thought they'd post in your thread? Wow! I thought I was supposed to be the one with the big ego!
(although I have stated in the original post that Al did say -no more KDF ships for a long time
Once again you're misrepresenting what Al "CaptainGeko" Rivera said. He did not say 'no more KDF ships for a long time'. He said:"So they'll still keep getting them, but in general you're gonna see more come out for the Fed than you are gonna see for the Klingon."
You can believe what you want - say what you want - it still won't change what we get :more c-store Fed ships well into 2013
Here's the thing levi3, I believe that you're right. I believe that, other than the fleet ships which aren't really new, that the KDF will be lucky to see a new ship in 2013, much less 2012. But that's not what I'm disagreeing with you on.
You're claiming that Al "CaptainGeko" Rivera said that the KDF wouldn't get any new ships, or any new ships for a long time. But that's very clearly not what he said.
Anyone that doesn't believe me is free to click this link right here. Go to 1 hour, 7 minutes and 54 seconds into the podcast and you'll clearly hear what he really said.
- Peregrine Falcon
"Any change to non-good alignment immediately strips the ranger of all benefits, and the character becomes a fighter, with eight-sided hit dice, ever after, and can never regain ranger status."
Al did say that the KDF would continue to get ships but that the FEDs would get many more
that is they say is that - but it is very possile for the rest of this games life they get none - as Falcon agrees 2012 is a right off for any new KDF c-store ships and 2013 is not looking much better
Frankly with this game - looking beyond 2013 is just silly
I have taken the low road in this thread as many have point out - and it takes an honorable and one who has his "ego" (as many say I have a big one) in check - to admit such a thing.
On that note I will take the high road and hope there is something better to come out of the situation
I would suggest that the KDF and FED war is put to an end - it only fosters negativity from both side - and from a player perspective the KDF is losing badly - so it is in the best interests of the KDF that this fight/war/hostility is removed from the game
If that is not done - and demanded by the KDF - I see the KDF's demise as a playable faction in the not to distent future
Demand a Peace between the KDF and FED - if you truely are interested in the KDF survival in this game.
They have put out so much bush fires at all that they no longer have a clear vision where STO should got. If they would STO wouldn't go from on direction to another.
What I find funny about a point that PF brought up on the subject of Anti-KDF attitudes, only parts of the fed playerbase has expressed a hatred and dislike of the KDF and all things Klingon.
I have as yet to see a single post, comment or even a inkling of a statement saying that the Devs hate, dislike or otherwise have no love for the KDF and wish they where not a part of the STO MMO.
Only some of the fed fans seem to continuelly troll the belief that we KDF are not wanted in this game and expect us to believe it.
tRUE, there current actions say they dislike the KDF (or more so it says they desperately are trying to appease the feds and keep them emptying thier wallets for STO) but the actually phrase or phrases to the effect of hating the KDF have not been uttered as far as I know.
As I said, only certain fedfans seem to try to push that belief to us on a repeated basis. So much so that they come inot the KDF section of teh forums to do so.
As well, levi3 you seem to be wandering all ove the map at this point. First you say we KDF are not getting anymore ships, then its KDF dislike due to PvP and now you say we KDF need to beg the Devs to end the war and roll us into the fedfaction.........
You guys are junping all over the OP as if PWE's actions haven't been screaming exactly the line he's selling.
If you heard as much devspeak over the years, as many of us have, they are flat out saying that new KDF ships/content will be few and far between. Considering the current imbalance that already exists, that's bad news for the KDF and pvp in general.
Whoever is making these decisions is pretty stupid imho. If they had two plants, theyd cover one in water and miracle-gro and then wonder why the other plant is dying.
Then thier solution would be more food and water for the healthy plant....
I'm jumping the OP becuase I am tired of another " KDF is doomed" thread just for the sake of rattling our cages and envoking a series of rage responses.
Why should I or any KDF fan put up with the trolling?
We already know the writing on the wall of how the KDF has been and will be in STO.
That doesn't mean we need sit here and take another "Neener neener" thread from about it.
Anyone remember that post that The.Grand.Nagus started about what content we would like to see worked on in what order? You know back before the "new" forums? Never once thought I would see the KDF get such support from the player base in general. More KDF content was the number one request for days.
That to me implies that the majority of the Fed players would like the KDF to have more support.
It also suggests that more would play the KDF if the KDF had more content.
Then there is the implication that anti KDF posters, like Levi3, are a severe minority.
Wish I could find that archived post. So I could see if the KDF is still the number one thing that people wanted developed first.
If you are a pickle in a pickle jar you know every pickle's different, sort of, but really they're all just pickles...
Anyone remember that post that The.Grand.Nagus started about what content we would like to see worked on in what order? You know back before the "new" forums? Never once thought I would see the KDF get such support from the player base in general. More KDF content was the number one request for days.
That to me implies that the majority of the Fed players would like the KDF to have more support.
It also suggests that more would play the KDF if the KDF had more content.
Well, like many people here don't understand: There are very less PURE Players. In my last STF- and Mission-Groups there was noone who have'nt got a FED and KVS Char. Sure Everyone can see, that there is not much content for KVS and thats the fact most players play FED, but that does'nt mean that they got no KVS Char.
(Also I do'nt understand this hate between KVS- and FED-Players. We are ONE
COMMUNITY guys, so threat the others with respect)
Then there is the implication that anti KDF posters, like Levi3, are a severe minority.
Yep, but it's not very safe to split the Community in two groups. Motivation can change fast.
Also, i understand some of the Anti-KVS-Poster. They can also see that the KVS is a rusty ship, so they want to use manpower there, where it can keep the game running.
But to all these guys I'fe got a Question:"Immagine a STO, without KVS, without the possibility of a new Faction, without PvP-Action and differences... Do this game sucks?
Wish I could find that archived post. So I could see if the KDF is still the number one thing that people wanted developed first.
That's unimportant. You can see, that Cryptic can't/do'nt like to finish the KVS. There will be some upgrades here and there, but that's it. Cryptic was and is until today acting like a "King-of-the-Game". I never see them really care about what the Community want's, except it's also good for theirs profit.
The only thing, that i want from Cryptic is, that high-ranked employes whould look in this forum, to see what they can do better. For the rest I just hope.
Well, like many people here don't understand: There are very less PURE Players. In my last STF- and Mission-Groups there was noone who have'nt got a FED and KVS Char. Sure Everyone can see, that there is not much content for KVS and thats the fact most players play FED, but that does'nt mean that they got no KVS Char.
(Also I do'nt understand this hate between KVS- and FED-Players. We are ONE
COMMUNITY guys, so threat the others with respect)
Yep, but it's not very safe to split the Community in two groups. Motivation can change fast.
Also, i understand some of the Anti-KVS-Poster. They can also see that the KVS is a rusty ship, so they want to use manpower there, where it can keep the game running.
But to all these guys I'fe got a Question:"Immagine a STO, without KVS, without the possibility of a new Faction, without PvP-Action and differences... Do this game sucks?
That's unimportant. You can see, that Cryptic can't/do'nt like to finish the KVS. There will be some upgrades here and there, but that's it. Cryptic was and is until today acting like a "King-of-the-Game". I never see them really care about what the Community want's, except it's also good for theirs profit.
The only thing, that i want from Cryptic is, that high-ranked employes whould look in this forum, to see what they can do better. For the rest I just hope.
Live long and prosper
I assure you, I threaten all of my opponents respectfully, with only the less potent insults and challenges :P
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
That is simply not true. I do prefer the Fed side. I do play the KDF side on avg 3hrs a day, mostly Doffing - which is almost all I do with my 4 Fed toons now - doffing 6 toons is a full time job.
The one thing that does bug me is when beaming to the First city - often I end up in the space dock - so either a)fix this or B)let me shoot the transporter cheif!
The one thing that does bug me is when beaming to the First city - often I end up in the space dock - so either a)fix this or B)let me shoot the transporter cheif!
OK this much we agree on. XD
If you are a pickle in a pickle jar you know every pickle's different, sort of, but really they're all just pickles...
If you listen to Al in the latest podcast on the main page you will here him say how the Borta was the last(at least for a long time)
to quote him "The Oddy sold more than the Borta by an order of Magnitude!" while costing pretty much the same to develop - so why should we invest time and money when it's not profitable
This post was liberating.
I've been playing video games for a long time. I do play them because they are ... games.
When someone uses a videogame, as a virtual market, when he makes his decisions based on sales, that is not a proper foundation to create a good, immersive gameplay expereince.
I play and pay to be immersed in a new world, an innovative, creative and beautiful one, not a virtual Walmart. Basicly, I expect a game to be art, like cinema or music. I rather givbe my 50 bucks to watch a movie, where immersion is not broken by economic schemes. Sure the developers have to live and nothing is wrong if one just does what PWE or other companies do. We, the customers need to be those who decide, do we want real guality or not.
And as long as we are happy with how things are, things are not going to change.
Whatever we deny or embrace, we belong togheter./ Pat Benatar
I only play the KDF side these days. The Fed side is just not appealing to me. And I do believe we have enough ships. Well, the Gorn need the Zilant battleship and the T5 raptor a new skin but other than that I think we are doing ok. Now that STF's are cross faction I have no problem with the state of the Klingon Empire. In fact, I think we should be allies again and put an end to war.
I had always hoped that Cryptic wanted STO to have another player-faction against which Starfleet would be pitted against fairly.
I see that's never going to happen, so long as Al has anything to say about it.
I am glad that the Feds are getting all their wishes answered.
I am glad that they will have nothing to do, except build their precious starbases and rp themselves to death in it.
I am glad that the starbases are a move away from a limitless universe.
I am glad for the slide-of-hand, in that there has been no storyline content in months.
I am glad that at the end of of it all, when the glutonous Feds finally have everthing they have asked for, nicely wrapped-up in "OP-PVE-ness", they are going to find themselves without anyone but themselves to fight against.
I am so very, very glad, for the Federation.
For the KDF, I am just sad.
I had a couple hundred free.. was serioulsy considering career officer. this news... well the money is going to go to the purchase of a new Sig Sauer 220
I wonder what kind of reaction there would be if somebody went into the Starfleet Shipyard part of the forum with insincere commiserations about the absence of a tier 5 Connie, then went on to explain how the silver lining was the tier 5 D7. Justified resentment at best, I'd imagine.
I like the looks and stats of KDF ships a lot more; so less focus on KDF ships is really bad news!
On the other hand I don't get this KDF vs FED "Faction" TRIBBLE. I like to play my KDF chars and a lot if not most of the Admiral+ content is available for both.
So what, at max level the KDF gets the same as the FEDs. Who isn't max level quickly these days.
We don't have any kind of faction warfare and even PvP works without two Factions, PvP has been declared virtually dead and it's sadly true.
See Klingons as an extension, not a totally independent "Faction". The same way Romulans could be implemented: Only a few ships for their "Faction" and some content, everything else shared with the "main faction" Federation.
We don't get so much new content, do people really expect 2-3 totally independent Factions getting their very own content given the current situation and past experiences?
I am a STO player and strongly prefer the KDF ship designs. I don't like that the focus will be shifted away from the KDF, this FEDs get everything, KDF nothing blabla is tiresome through this FED vs KDF thinking. It's STO, not FED vs KDF.
I like the looks and stats of KDF ships a lot more; so less focus on KDF ships is really bad news!
On the other hand I don't get this KDF vs FED "Faction" TRIBBLE. I like to play my KDF chars and a lot if not most of the Admiral+ content is available for both.
So what, at max level the KDF gets the same as the FEDs. Who isn't max level quickly these days.
We don't have any kind of faction warfare and even PvP works without two Factions, PvP has been declared virtually dead and it's sadly true.
See Klingons as an extension, not a totally independent "Faction". The same way Romulans could be implemented: Only a few ships for their "Faction" and some content, everything else shared with the "main faction" Federation.
We don't get so much new content, do people really expect 2-3 totally independent Factions getting their very own content given the current situation and past experiences?
I am a STO player and strongly prefer the KDF ship designs. I don't like that the focus will be shifted away from the KDF, this FEDs get everything, KDF nothing blabla is tiresome through this FED vs KDF thinking. It's STO, not FED vs KDF.
Actually, as far as developer time and resources go... it is very much FED vs KDF.
I wonder what kind of reaction there would be if somebody went into the Starfleet Shipyard part of the forum with insincere commiserations about the absence of a tier 5 Connie, then went on to explain how the silver lining was the tier 5 D7. Justified resentment at best, I'd imagine.
Been there, done that. I created a firestorm awhile back on the Fed shipyard saying NO T5 connie - no way no how!! - In fact there should be no ships from that era brought up to T5
Its like taking a tank from WW1 and putting it up against the next generation of Abrams beening developed - why would you?
There were a lot of angry Feds - but luckily I have CBS on my side in that debate and they say no way no how -never!
and the fact is that in the show/movies you never see the connie out of the TOS timeline again - excel/miranda/D7 make appearances(althoguth the mirada is just used as cannon fodder)
D7 at T5 is a mistate - I think its older than the connie design wise - the Excel just makes the cut(but I don't think it should have) because it was launched and the end of the TOS era and was a Huge ship compared to the D7 and Connie - so upgradinging it with more Hull/bigger weapons is reasonable
the 2250 ships have no place in 2409 - other than tourist attractiions! Same as the US navy - how could you upgrade a Civil war 1865 Monitor to compete with the new stealth destroyer being built?
maybe in all the fluff questions I missed it - but I did not see one question about the KDF - were any submitted - or is there no point any more - so no-one bothered?
Foundry. Why even release something so flawed and incomplete.
This statement stuck out at me. You'll remember way back when that Cryptic didn't want to release The Foundry in it's incomplete state but the community screamed for it, we didn't care that it wasn't finished, we wanted it now.
They released it in it's incomplete state because we asked them to.
The KDF was mentioned though not in great detail. Though in enough detail to convince me at least that while not in the limelight at the moment we are niether six feet buried as well.
The KDF was mentioned though not in great detail. Though in enough detail to convince me at least that while not in the limelight at the moment we are niether six feet buried as well.
I'm certain KDF will continue to get new content over time. . .but KDF is certainly not at the top of the list, and likely never really was on a consistent basis, despite the continued protestations of the KDF playerbase.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
At this point I wish Cryptic never included the Kdf faction, if they couldn't do it right, they should have never done them at all.
I agree, to a certain extent. They've certainly done a good job pissing off a good section of the Klingon enthusiast community, and have alienated at least some players who were Klingon enthusiasts.
The problem was Cryptic making all these fine promises of having two full factions right at the start, and then releasing the KDF faction in the flawed and incomplete condition it was in. . .and then never actually putting it on par with the Federation in terms of content and playability. It's only recently that the process of leveling a KDF to Lieutenant General became something other than an epic grind of a few paltry, boring daily missions. There have definitely been improvements, but Cryptic has a long way to go before they've patched relations with the Klingon-enthusiast community. . .if they even care about doing that.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
AL spoke again - this time almost nothing about KDF outside starbases - he did say Sov refit is 100% this year and very possible the Vesta as well
2 - months between new Fed ships - so the Arm was released June 14th - so according to Al the next fed ship should be in Aug and the a final one for the year around Dec
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As for this supposedly being the reason that many Fed players hate the KDF - that bird just won't fly.
First, an anti-KDF attitude on the forum first started before the game even launched, and became the norm when we began demanding more information about the Klingon faction in November 2009. Since the KDF wasn't even in the closed beta at that point it couldn't have been caused by Feds getting killed in Ker'rat by superior KDF PvPers. Additionally, many of the Fed players that have made anti-KDF posts, by their own admission, never enter Ker'rat or PvP at all. So your theory can't possibly account for their anti-KDF attitude and posts.
In my opinion, which unlike yourself I admit could be wrong, many people have displayed an anti-KDF bias because they could. Because the moderators allowed it and the developers encouraged it with their continuous beating of the 'we have a small team and can't afford to work on the KDF' drum. As I think we've all seen over the last decade, many people derive some enjoyment from antagonizing and insulting others on the internet. The actions of the community on these forums since they first opened show that this community isn't above that either.
Also, Ker'rat is not a 'Farming Zone', it's a PvP Zone and is clearly marked as such. Anyone who deliberately enters a PvP zone and then gets angry when they get PvP'd isn't being rational. Anyone who never learns how to PvP and then can't figure out why they're no good at PvP and then comes to the forums to complain that the KDF ships are overpowered is being an idiot.
The developers used to occasionally post in the KDF forums and every time they did they got promptly chewed up faster than a Miranda in Ker'rat. So they haven't posted in the KDF forums in almost 2 years now. But you somehow thought they'd post in your thread? Wow! I thought I was supposed to be the one with the big ego!
Besides, no one has to read a dev post to know that you're wrong. One only has to actually listen to the podcast (or read the transcript of the pertinent section that I posted here) to know that you're wrong.
Once again you're misrepresenting what Al "CaptainGeko" Rivera said. He did not say 'no more KDF ships for a long time'. He said: "So they'll still keep getting them, but in general you're gonna see more come out for the Fed than you are gonna see for the Klingon."
Here's the thing levi3, I believe that you're right. I believe that, other than the fleet ships which aren't really new, that the KDF will be lucky to see a new ship in 2013, much less 2012. But that's not what I'm disagreeing with you on.
You're claiming that Al "CaptainGeko" Rivera said that the KDF wouldn't get any new ships, or any new ships for a long time. But that's very clearly not what he said.
Anyone that doesn't believe me is free to click this link right here. Go to 1 hour, 7 minutes and 54 seconds into the podcast and you'll clearly hear what he really said.
- Peregrine Falcon
that is they say is that - but it is very possile for the rest of this games life they get none - as Falcon agrees 2012 is a right off for any new KDF c-store ships and 2013 is not looking much better
Frankly with this game - looking beyond 2013 is just silly
I have taken the low road in this thread as many have point out - and it takes an honorable and one who has his "ego" (as many say I have a big one) in check - to admit such a thing.
On that note I will take the high road and hope there is something better to come out of the situation
I would suggest that the KDF and FED war is put to an end - it only fosters negativity from both side - and from a player perspective the KDF is losing badly - so it is in the best interests of the KDF that this fight/war/hostility is removed from the game
If that is not done - and demanded by the KDF - I see the KDF's demise as a playable faction in the not to distent future
Demand a Peace between the KDF and FED - if you truely are interested in the KDF survival in this game.
Thank you to the many that have put me in check.
R.I.P
They have put out so much bush fires at all that they no longer have a clear vision where STO should got. If they would STO wouldn't go from on direction to another.
I have as yet to see a single post, comment or even a inkling of a statement saying that the Devs hate, dislike or otherwise have no love for the KDF and wish they where not a part of the STO MMO.
Only some of the fed fans seem to continuelly troll the belief that we KDF are not wanted in this game and expect us to believe it.
SO where is all this Dev related KDF hate?
R.I.P
As I said, only certain fedfans seem to try to push that belief to us on a repeated basis. So much so that they come inot the KDF section of teh forums to do so.
As well, levi3 you seem to be wandering all ove the map at this point. First you say we KDF are not getting anymore ships, then its KDF dislike due to PvP and now you say we KDF need to beg the Devs to end the war and roll us into the fedfaction.........
R.I.P
If you heard as much devspeak over the years, as many of us have, they are flat out saying that new KDF ships/content will be few and far between. Considering the current imbalance that already exists, that's bad news for the KDF and pvp in general.
Whoever is making these decisions is pretty stupid imho. If they had two plants, theyd cover one in water and miracle-gro and then wonder why the other plant is dying.
Then thier solution would be more food and water for the healthy plant....
Why should I or any KDF fan put up with the trolling?
We already know the writing on the wall of how the KDF has been and will be in STO.
That doesn't mean we need sit here and take another "Neener neener" thread from about it.
R.I.P
That to me implies that the majority of the Fed players would like the KDF to have more support.
It also suggests that more would play the KDF if the KDF had more content.
Then there is the implication that anti KDF posters, like Levi3, are a severe minority.
Wish I could find that archived post. So I could see if the KDF is still the number one thing that people wanted developed first.
(Also I do'nt understand this hate between KVS- and FED-Players. We are ONE
COMMUNITY guys, so threat the others with respect)
Yep, but it's not very safe to split the Community in two groups. Motivation can change fast.
Also, i understand some of the Anti-KVS-Poster. They can also see that the KVS is a rusty ship, so they want to use manpower there, where it can keep the game running.
But to all these guys I'fe got a Question:"Immagine a STO, without KVS, without the possibility of a new Faction, without PvP-Action and differences... Do this game sucks?
That's unimportant. You can see, that Cryptic can't/do'nt like to finish the KVS. There will be some upgrades here and there, but that's it. Cryptic was and is until today acting like a "King-of-the-Game". I never see them really care about what the Community want's, except it's also good for theirs profit.
The only thing, that i want from Cryptic is, that high-ranked employes whould look in this forum, to see what they can do better. For the rest I just hope.
Live long and prosper
I assure you, I threaten all of my opponents respectfully, with only the less potent insults and challenges :P
The one thing that does bug me is when beaming to the First city - often I end up in the space dock - so either a)fix this or B)let me shoot the transporter cheif!
OK this much we agree on. XD
What do you expect? The Transport Officer is J'mpoks third cousin.
R.I.P
This post was liberating.
I've been playing video games for a long time. I do play them because they are ... games.
When someone uses a videogame, as a virtual market, when he makes his decisions based on sales, that is not a proper foundation to create a good, immersive gameplay expereince.
I play and pay to be immersed in a new world, an innovative, creative and beautiful one, not a virtual Walmart. Basicly, I expect a game to be art, like cinema or music. I rather givbe my 50 bucks to watch a movie, where immersion is not broken by economic schemes. Sure the developers have to live and nothing is wrong if one just does what PWE or other companies do. We, the customers need to be those who decide, do we want real guality or not.
And as long as we are happy with how things are, things are not going to change.
It's time to bring in the Romulans.
I had a couple hundred free.. was serioulsy considering career officer. this news... well the money is going to go to the purchase of a new Sig Sauer 220
On the other hand I don't get this KDF vs FED "Faction" TRIBBLE. I like to play my KDF chars and a lot if not most of the Admiral+ content is available for both.
So what, at max level the KDF gets the same as the FEDs. Who isn't max level quickly these days.
We don't have any kind of faction warfare and even PvP works without two Factions, PvP has been declared virtually dead and it's sadly true.
See Klingons as an extension, not a totally independent "Faction". The same way Romulans could be implemented: Only a few ships for their "Faction" and some content, everything else shared with the "main faction" Federation.
We don't get so much new content, do people really expect 2-3 totally independent Factions getting their very own content given the current situation and past experiences?
I am a STO player and strongly prefer the KDF ship designs. I don't like that the focus will be shifted away from the KDF, this FEDs get everything, KDF nothing blabla is tiresome through this FED vs KDF thinking. It's STO, not FED vs KDF.
Actually, as far as developer time and resources go... it is very much FED vs KDF.
For every uinque thing a faction might get, the Federation will demand that they get it better.
Been there, done that. I created a firestorm awhile back on the Fed shipyard saying NO T5 connie - no way no how!! - In fact there should be no ships from that era brought up to T5
Its like taking a tank from WW1 and putting it up against the next generation of Abrams beening developed - why would you?
There were a lot of angry Feds - but luckily I have CBS on my side in that debate and they say no way no how -never!
and the fact is that in the show/movies you never see the connie out of the TOS timeline again - excel/miranda/D7 make appearances(althoguth the mirada is just used as cannon fodder)
D7 at T5 is a mistate - I think its older than the connie design wise - the Excel just makes the cut(but I don't think it should have) because it was launched and the end of the TOS era and was a Huge ship compared to the D7 and Connie - so upgradinging it with more Hull/bigger weapons is reasonable
the 2250 ships have no place in 2409 - other than tourist attractiions! Same as the US navy - how could you upgrade a Civil war 1865 Monitor to compete with the new stealth destroyer being built?
This statement stuck out at me. You'll remember way back when that Cryptic didn't want to release The Foundry in it's incomplete state but the community screamed for it, we didn't care that it wasn't finished, we wanted it now.
They released it in it's incomplete state because we asked them to.
R.I.P
I'm certain KDF will continue to get new content over time. . .but KDF is certainly not at the top of the list, and likely never really was on a consistent basis, despite the continued protestations of the KDF playerbase.
I agree, to a certain extent. They've certainly done a good job pissing off a good section of the Klingon enthusiast community, and have alienated at least some players who were Klingon enthusiasts.
The problem was Cryptic making all these fine promises of having two full factions right at the start, and then releasing the KDF faction in the flawed and incomplete condition it was in. . .and then never actually putting it on par with the Federation in terms of content and playability. It's only recently that the process of leveling a KDF to Lieutenant General became something other than an epic grind of a few paltry, boring daily missions. There have definitely been improvements, but Cryptic has a long way to go before they've patched relations with the Klingon-enthusiast community. . .if they even care about doing that.
2 - months between new Fed ships - so the Arm was released June 14th - so according to Al the next fed ship should be in Aug and the a final one for the year around Dec