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Cryptic: NO more KDF ships!!
levi3
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That's it - issue solved - there will be no more KDF ship designs put out (edit: any time soon - like this year at least)as it is not profitable
If you listen to Al in the latest podcast on the main page you will here him say how the Borta was the last(at least for a long time)
to quote him "The Oddy sold more than the Borta by an order of Magnitude!" while costing pretty much the same to develop - so why should we invest time and money when it's not profitable
Frankly thank goodness as the Borta is ugly.
I fly both the heavy BOP and the Raptor and they are excellent ships! So KDF will just have to do with Fleet upgrades
On the AMAZING note it looks like I will be getting my Science VESTA!! What a beauty! And apparently she will be the "god" ship - I guess everyone with an oddy will have to upgrade!
So no more threads are needed about what the next KDF ship should be as PWE is not interested in making one.
If you listen to Al in the latest podcast on the main page you will here him say how the Borta was the last(at least for a long time)
to quote him "The Oddy sold more than the Borta by an order of Magnitude!" while costing pretty much the same to develop - so why should we invest time and money when it's not profitable
Frankly thank goodness as the Borta is ugly.
I fly both the heavy BOP and the Raptor and they are excellent ships! So KDF will just have to do with Fleet upgrades
On the AMAZING note it looks like I will be getting my Science VESTA!! What a beauty! And apparently she will be the "god" ship - I guess everyone with an oddy will have to upgrade!
So no more threads are needed about what the next KDF ship should be as PWE is not interested in making one.
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This isn't news at all. It's something we've all known since Day 1.
But this is the first time(that I know of) someone at Cryptic has put the nail in the coffin on a podcast
I see that's never going to happen, so long as Al has anything to say about it.
I am glad that the Feds are getting all their wishes answered.
I am glad that they will have nothing to do, except build their precious starbases and rp themselves to death in it.
I am glad that the starbases are a move away from a limitless universe.
I am glad for the slide-of-hand, in that there has been no storyline content in months.
I am glad that at the end of of it all, when the glutonous Feds finally have everthing they have asked for, nicely wrapped-up in "OP-PVE-ness", they are going to find themselves without anyone but themselves to fight against.
I am so very, very glad, for the Federation.
For the KDF, I am just sad.
second he referred to the vest as the God ship from the books because it could do it all in the books, not that their version, if it is finalised with all the negotaions to acquire it, would be a god ship.
Please. If the recent escort-carrier spawning danubes and phaser procs et al. is anything to measure their aptitude against, we can expect little surprise.
Downloading EVE as we speak.
I think that he implied that there won't be any more KDF ships ever! It's just not profitable and you can infer that PWE sure as hell won't let Cryptic put out anything they think won't be profitable - that I can say with 100% certainty!!
you can think what you like but there is a difference between not profitable and less profitable. by that logic they would not have added any klingon content what so ever over the last 2 years if they just wanted to maximise profits. there will be more klingons ships at some point because the klingon players still make a percentage of people that will buy stuff. you may not release them as often but you still release them or you lose a group of people to market to.
It's a little late for that sentiment. What Cryptic fails to understand is by disinvesting in the KDF, they stand to loose potential support from the "majority" as people just move on when they tire of the kill 5 of this and scan this plant 500 million times.
STO economy: Is already in the mire.
DOFFing Thoroughly mindless, I can clean my keyboard and be more entertained.
Crafting ... pointless.
Foundry. Why even release something so flawed and incomplete.
STF. Same-ol-same-ol and then some.
Gated events: EPIC fail.
Starbases. A short term fix for a long term problem, one that is going to have game breaking consequences to PvP balance + players are going to become separated from each other. Basically Cryptic is saying "TRIBBLE you Mr.Customer, you WILL play with the other children, otherwise you won't be getting any puddin'." Personally, IMO at least it saves them from being ripped off any more.
PVP: The end.
other than pvp which only a small fraction use at the best of times and hardly anyone uses right now, what exactly does the current klingon faction have that affects the majority of players?
the new pvp, assuming nothing changes with gozer leaving does away with FvK and everyone joins the game in a free for all of mixed teams. there is no faction balance issues as anyone can be on any team. the new ships are only fractionally stronger and wont have that noticeable affect in the chaos of pvp.
the game seems to be going along quite nicely with tons of people in game despite your opinion and what the forums would have people believe. if people have not got tired of the game yet, or not all left during the many issues of the last couple of years when people cried doom before countless times, i dont think that a lack of brand new klingons ships for a few months or even a year is going to have it all come crashing down for the majority.
the majority simply wont care.
I don't understand this logic. Of course the Oddy sells an order of magnitude higher, because of the negligence of the KDF there is an order of magnitude more players on the Fed side.
So the logic would be to increase the amount of players on the KDF side. Don't provide any new features and giving the Feds overpowered ships, however, is very clearly the wrong way.
I've played since Beta. There was far less to do and far greater numbers.
Cryptic intentionally disinvested from the KDF because they weren't prepared to invest money in it's potential. All they care about is profit. The worlds greatest tycoons, have made vast capital ventures and empires, because they invested in something others saw as not a "sure deal". I laugh at Cryptic for their mediocrity.
They consistently and continously lied to their paying customers, and then when said customers complain, they "mute/ban/etc" them, or simply ignore them.
STO is failing, defend it all you like. Cryptic/ PWE have run the concept of what Star Trek is into the ground.
ummmm... that is not what was stated hon. I suggest you go back, cool your heart some, and listen again. ^^
That conversation you take out of context was simply comparing the bortas sales to the oddy sales. Mr. Rivvera mentions before that that a completely new Klingon ship is coming out for the 1000 day veteran reward for both factions. He also states that short term plans, that the groups has decided that no newly designed KDF ships are coming out any time soon.
Why?
Umm, because he mentions they just added new skins, to all the new "Fleet" refits that both the Fed and KDF got? Not to mention the unique skin that all 900 day members get for both factions? ^-
Just saying sweety, perhaps looking at the larger picture is better then misquoting folks or short sightedness. Granted, Xas, there are many things that were done wrong, but lets not add to the problems by misrepresentation of a partial statement vs the entire statement.
Obviously it does sell better since it was made so much better with fed love, Oddy is so much better than the Bortasqu' for tons of reasons...maybe if the ships was actually decent it might have had better sales.
The the past two years have taught me anything, do you even know what "short term plans" translates into? It basically means, "Never gonna happen..."
Secondly, in what way does the Fed ships (carrier + carrier-esc) translate into a fair argument vs. KDF fleet "skin", on top of the fact that the Feds are getting the very best of the SB cookie jar as well.
Just saying sweety, but its difficult to be shortsighted when there's already an elephant in the room.
I like the design of the Bortas while I find the Oddy quite ugly. The "science" variant with sensor scan is quite good as a healing/beam boat while it allows to dish out moderate damage due to sensor analysis and 4 tac consoles. The only thing what really annoys is the slow turn rate.
However, because of saucer sep the Oddy can be much more mobile. I think something similar should also have been given to the Bortas. Maybe add +2 turn rate for every saucer sliced of the hull of a federation vessel by disruptor fire hrhr :P
R.I.P
did you read anything? nothing you state is said in the interview, nor in antyhing I said. THAT is exactly why I state, lets not "read" anything into anything or take anything out of context. What is stated in that interview was not what the OP posted. Perhaps you need to check your anger and disappointment at the door to.
It is why I stated, " Granted, Xas, there are many things that were done wrong, but lets not add to the problems by misrepresentation of a partial statement vs the entire statement." which is what you did here.
FYI hon, since you do not know, I been playing since closed beta. Only recently have I made a posting account simply due to me looking for a fleet to call home. I play more then He(husband) does now, so if I want a nice home for my little orion, it means I need to find myself one ^^
you can tell me STO is failing, like so many other angry and disgruntled players over the last 2 years, and im sure you or someone else will tell me is failing in another 2 years. go play the game sometime and take a calm look around and you will see people having fun. you wont see the sky is falling or the game is dying.
less than 20% of people play the klingons (and even fewer play them only) yet take an objective look at how much they have been developed from what they were. all FE are cross faction. there have been 21 c-store ships for klingons compared to 29 fed. there have been 9 unique klingon missions and 3 patrols compared to 3 fed missions, 3 remastered and 8 minor diplomatic missions.
every new feature from the doff system, to the foundry to starbases are designed for cross faction.
there have been new social zones in qo'nos and the academy. the gorn got updates. the orions, and nausicaans got unique costume outfits. they can now use scanners, and crafting and use the whole galaxy and access to the stf's. there have been fleet actions opened up and defend sector missions and star clusters. they had none of this at launch and cryptic had no obligation to add or fix any of it.
they have lagged behind in the costume department and that is a little sad, although part of the problem is that klingons have more complicated character models than feds. fed costumes are an easy way to make a lot of money to keep the game going. yet when they do get costumes they are awesome. in fact just about everything that gets added for klingons is visually amazing. there is no lack of effort when making klingon stuff. the designers have said they even like making klingon stuff more, but the numbers need to start paying off and every indication is that the numbers dont change. will adding more ships or missions change that? so far evidence suggests that answer is no.
they are doing their best to improve the klingon faction from its start position of next to nothing without losing their massive fed playerbase. they took their pvp only faction and they made it playable for everyone and it will only get better as going forward will continue to be cross faction.
they did all of this despite the fact that only a tiny percentage of loyal players play the faction. they have pumped far more resources into that the numbers would suggest yet players like you are still not happy. you want a full klingon faction. fine but well you are not getting it. none of us are. there is no clambering from the masses to come over and play either. they are not interested. klingons will always be a mini faction. if they ever add romulans they will be an even smaller faction.
if anything they should never have included the faction at launch, and they nearly did not. they had a deadline to hit from the contract with CBS that they took over and they very nearly left them out. they wanted them in to try and improve them, knowing that if they left them out there was a very real chance they would never get back in.
now, no matter how much they realistically add despite the numbers against them, they get slated for it.
ROACH! HUGS!
Gawd, LUV that icon hon, don't EVER loose that.
and it is ok, I still think for myself and check things out for validity.
translation for others: I check to make sure you know what you are talking about.
Ok first the 1000 day ship might be univeral - and it is a ship that only a very few people will get. Your point is completely invalid - you can't compare what he said about no new c-store ships for KDF with the 1000 day vet ship - which he said he has no idea yet what it will be.
And short term plans? Wow he mention nothing but the Sov, Vesta, and Wells on the Horizan up intil and after season 7!! so by short term do you meam 2013??
Fact is they have no intention of any real KDF content ever - he basically spelled it out - and the first dev to be as blunt with the cost/profit issue - hon
Starting at 1:07:54 (link), here's what CaptainGeko actually said:
"To be honest we don't sell that many Klingon ships.
So we just don't and a... so its... we love to make them. The artists I think like to make them more than Fed ships cause they can be a lot more creative with them, but what the Odyssey sold in comparison to the Bortas was an order of magnitude different.
The Odyssey took a lot more work... (snip) [because of the contest] (snip) ...but even beside that I mean the amount of development time that it takes to make one ship is a lot and so if they don't sell it's really difficult to justify.
So they'll still keep getting them, but in general you're gonna see more come out for the Fed than you are gonna see for the Klingon. But I think that all of the different fleet ships coming out are going to really help. You're not going to get new skins, or new models, but a lot of new options. A lot of new bridge officer seating options.
They're gonna get the new D-7, right. The K'Tinga and D-7 versions they'll have access to. So and that has a complete different seating that the Vor'cha. So they're gonna get a lot of new options."
While there's plenty of things about the Empire to be upset about, let's not waste our time getting upset about things that weren't actually said. And let's not allow ourselves to be successfully baited by Federation trolls.
The look is about the only thing I like about the Bortasqu', so much I can go on about the ship, if I want a healing/beam boat might as well go with the voquv. The voquv is free, get more healing for your buck and you can keep the lt cmdr tac boff without losing any healing, not to mention you can have fighters which more than make up for a couple weapon slots or take healing pets.
Roach I knew you would crawl out of your hole for my post. Frankly I am just putting an end to the hopes by any KDF fans that things will get better - why - because there is no use crying about something that can't and won't be fixed/changed.
FED = $$$$
KDF = complaints for PWE
its so simple
I don't see what the big problem is - play both sides - I use 3 klingon toons now every day and have no problem what so ever with them not getting more ships or content - it was clear from long ago this was not going to be a PvP game so what's the diff?
Beside reality is the the IP is all about the Federation - in TNG the Klingons were in like 15? eps of 170 - ask anyone in the world about what Star Trek is about and they will say starships and what ship - Enterprise - thats the bottom line
This is a load of TRIBBLE and you know it - you just won't admit it - KDF content is not profitalble - this is what was said - for PWE - not profitable means it won't happen - that is common sense - that is what he is aying "so if they don't sell it's really difficult to justify."
I am not misquoting him at all - you nicely put up exactly what he was saying - no - profit = no new ships
Go back to fantasy land if you think "not profitable to justify making" will change any time in the future
I commend Al for being as blunt as he is - no - BS to hold on to.
granted he spelled a few things out, that I already new. Things Mr. Stahl spelled out more then two months ago, so I am at a loss why this should be shocking news.
might, maybe's, if, thing is that is not what he stated levi. That was why i pointed that out. You seen what you wanted to see, as many do, and took from it a small portion of what was said.
I guess it is why I look at many acting with such venom and hurt feelings, being a devout Klingon player myself, I can understand those feelings, but realistically that is no reason to go about acting how many are as if this is a personal accosting and insult to them at such a level.
Cryptic is a company, and like any company they are going to put forth their effort where the money is. It is not rocket science, or a personal insult to anyone. It is good business sense.
Do I like the fact of what was stated, of course not. Will my "fragile" world end because of it? oh pulllease... If that is all I had to worry over with my mother having cancer, my own self having a cancer scare (that thankfully was negative) not to mention everything myself and my husband deal with in our families?
riiight...
Listen dears, some of you really make me worry over you all. If I ever was half aggravated with a game as much as many of you post, I'll be honest, I'd leave it and have my husband remove it off my computer the very second and take our money someplace else. We (he and I) have done it in the past leaving maxed out characters, 10 of them, decked to the gills in World of ********, and 9 Dark Age of Camelot. This game is no different.
Maybe it is just my experience giving me a different way of looking at things Levi dear, but in the essence of it all, is it really worth all that aggravation?
What you are are hashing over is not news, Nau we may not like it, but the last board meeting they(cryptic) had they didn't invite me, sooooo that explained where I stand ^^. My only recourse is either
1. spend money with them
2. take my money someplace else.
I do. And if I were you, perhaps you should read chat more, and subcribe to some of the larger channels. They tell a different story. Personally, I have lost 126 friends to other games, and 2x fleets of over 500 members has died. So yes, numbers are booming.
Why, in all honestly would anyone want to play a faction when they see the status quo? Cryptic are 100% responsible for those figures.
Please tell me you not saying that the KDF have no reason to complain for content lacking. Please. WHAT I am saying, is that storyline content is lacking period. Stop with the trickets, and lockboxes, and ships and make some content. I'd pay for it!
I'm a developer. Thats hardly an amazing feat. Any DBA would tell you.
Thank you.
Why do I feel like Cryptics doing me a favour from the above....
Well, with that attitude shared by Cryptic how will we ever know. So the same can be said for everything else consisted "minority-fare". Why not introduced purchase items for the KDF then. Let me at least have the option to purchase something... (I already have purchased everything on the c-store, so I think I deserve to be treated like a paying customer there. I don't like being told what I can buy.)
You mean like scrapping 20 levels?
Both factions always had access to PvP. They gave it to the Feds.
Yes, and to be frank, thats what happens. I am a CUSTOMER PAYING THEM FOR IT.
You been listening to the devs so long, you're starting to sound like them.
And I also question the purpose behind your creating this thread. Your post history shows that you're not a KDF player, so if you're not trying to simply stir up those of us who are, then why did you start this thread?
- Peregrine Falcon
awwww thank you hon HUG for going through all of that effort to show word per word what exactly was said. ^^
~HUGKISS
After the emotions this thread has provoked in me, I can't but agree with you. The OP's expressions seems like he's rubbing our noses in it. Its a personal sense of AMAZING satisfaction.